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banisher120791
well u think?
marduk
none of the above
The Roswell Man
research a bit more first noob
marduk
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ May 18 2005, 08:44 PM)
research a bit more first noob
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yeah wheres the
"extremely boring" choice
i'd have chosen that
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Blake2kuk
I think theyre probably fake. Many people have actually proven how crop circles can easily be made.

http://www.amtsgym-sdbg.dk/as/crop/ufofake.HTM

But some of the more complex ones are pretty cool.

http://www.biochem.szote.u-szeged.hu/astrojan/Cropcirc.htm

This is one of my favourites...looks like a pyramid from above.
http://fantastiquephoenix.free.fr/images%2...lHill_3_jpg.htm
DJ_Quinn
Crop circles?

I can get of few of my mates from the pub to make them. It'll only cost me a few pints. They do it for the tourists and the craic.
Conspiracy
i think its the farmers
Celumnaz
I've also heard some kind of natural gamma radiation something-or-other xray thing making them

and, the super secret government laser beam

and, fairys
DanaScully
I don't what to really think... some of the crop circles look very hard to make... I can't imagine one or two farmers doing this... some of these beautiful pictures are very complexe... I really can't imagine if farmers can do these things so precisely...
LarryOldtimer
QUOTE(Blake2kuk @ May 19 2005, 05:57 AM)
I think theyre probably fake. Many people have actually proven how crop circles can easily be made.

http://www.amtsgym-sdbg.dk/as/crop/ufofake.HTM

But some of the more complex ones are pretty cool.

http://www.biochem.szote.u-szeged.hu/astrojan/Cropcirc.htm

This is one of my favourites...looks like a pyramid from above.
http://fantastiquephoenix.free.fr/images%2...lHill_3_jpg.htm
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I have not seen any explanation of how even the control points were set for the more complicated ones, in what time might have been available. I have seen how a couple of drunks could make extremely poor facsimiles, though. geek.gif
GoddessWhispers
user posted image Wow! I agree, that last pyramid image is incredible.

I haven't the clue how the more intricate ones like that pyramid, are made. However whom ever went to the trouble certainly has honed their skills to create beautiful patterns .

I had heard that , at least in great britain, many of the CC's were the work of an online posse who would coordinate their activities so as to create circles so as to be discovered the next day and in varying locations, as if it was an aerial phenomenon at work.

In any case they are beautiful to look at, no matter who's pulling our leg. wink2.gif

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Dr1273
I don't see aliens coming to earth just to create crop circles for our amuzement. Well, maybe it's for them to get a kick out of watching us all take pics of flat corn stalks. I can visualize it now..all of them up there now laughing and betting to see how long it takes us to find the next one!
Stixxman
I have seen how they fake them before, but I have also heard a rumor that the crop inside of the circles is somehow changed on a microscopic level. Has anyone heard of this and if so is it fake or real, just curious
marduk
QUOTE(Dr1273 @ May 20 2005, 06:26 PM)
I don't see aliens coming to earth just to create crop circles for our amuzement. Well, maybe it's for them to get a kick out of watching us all take pics of flat corn stalks. I can visualize it now..all of them up there now laughing and betting to see how long it takes us to find the next one!
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well back in the fifties they did do a bit of the ole "walkupanddownwithagoldfishbowlonyourheadtalkingabouttheinterstellarbrotherhood"
or was that just the movies
That sounds like a laugh
i can't wait til we find a backwards planet like us and i get to do it on them
i'm gonna use either a darth vader voice or a jar jar binks one
Maybe a bit of chewie thrown in for added emphasis
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The Roswell Man
*''[planets name here], who are your fathers''*
in darthies voice... ph34r.gif alien.gif
zandore
For what is worth.

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Although thought by many to be a phenomena of the 20th Century, crop circles and formations have been around for a very long time, and records even date back well before the invention of the camera.

The most well known positive depiction of a crop circle is found in a woodcut made in 1678 with the title 'Strange News out of Hartford-shire’.
It depicts a devil-like creature cutting out a pattern in a crop with a scythe.
The woodcut has text, which told of a greedy farmer, who, having refused to pay a mower a reasonable rate for reaping his oats, swore that he would rather have the Devil do the work. The very following morning, the farmer awoke to find his crop had been harvested, but done so in such an amazing manner, with rounded circles of incredible exactness that no human could have done the same within the period and darkness of one night. The farmer was so afraid that he could not enter the field to collect his harvest.
SOURCE
marduk
QUOTE(zandore @ May 20 2005, 08:36 PM)
For what is worth.

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Although thought by many to be a phenomena of the 20th Century, crop circles and formations have been around for a very long time, and records even date back well before the invention of the camera.

The most well known positive depiction of a crop circle is found in a woodcut made in 1678 with the title 'Strange News out of Hartford-shire’.
It depicts a devil-like creature cutting out a pattern in a crop with a scythe.
The woodcut has text, which told of a greedy farmer, who, having refused to pay a mower a reasonable rate for reaping his oats, swore that he would rather have the Devil do the work. The very following morning, the farmer awoke to find his crop had been harvested, but done so in such an amazing manner, with rounded circles of incredible exactness that no human could have done the same within the period and darkness of one night. The farmer was so afraid that he could not enter the field to collect his harvest.
SOURCE
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sounds more like some of his farmhands had a sense of humour to me
One woodcut
is that it
i saw a woodcut of a werewolf that dates from that period too
by the same degree of scientific validity that means that werewolves must be real too
I'll be back later
when i've boarded up my doors and windows and got hold of some wolfsbane blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif
Essan
Records of actual 'Crop Circles' go back hundreds of years - as Zandore's quote demonstrates.

They're all round and are almost certainly caused by meteorological phenomena, probably tornadic vortices.

The fancy patterns we see every year now are formed by human beings and are about as mysterious as a London Bus.
Lady
didn't vote on this one, cos i don't think it's any of the poll options! when u look back at ancient art (for example the white horse on the hill) it's very similar to crop circles. maybe there are still peeps around that try to create that sorta stuff?
marduk
QUOTE(Lady @ May 21 2005, 01:25 PM)
didn't vote on this one, cos i don't think it's any of the poll options!  when u look back at ancient art (for example the white horse on the hill) it's very similar to crop circles.  maybe there are still peeps around that try to create that sorta stuff?
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Lol in what way is the uffington white horse similar to crop circles
ah i see
they were both made by man
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Lady
blush.gif wot i'm tryin to say is that this stuff has been happening for a long time and why must everything a little wierd be accredited to God or aliens? wot about OUR power as human beings?
zandore
QUOTE(Lady @ May 21 2005, 09:56 AM)
blush.gif wot i'm tryin to say is that this stuff has been happening for a long time and why must everything a little wierd be accredited to God or aliens?  wot about OUR power as human beings?
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Some can be explained as being made by humans but not all.
QUOTE(World-mysteries.com)
Often the crop images are set inside a field away from tramlines with no visible access. They also show up in fenced off restricted military areas. Plants in the affected areas look dehydrated and cells are enlarged. Soil samples tested by Colin Andrews yielded up to 100 % higher than normal EM measurements in the centers of the formations tested. There are reports that in the years following the appearance of the crop circle the affected areas had an increase in crop yield of up to 40%.

There is residual radiation in the circles, which can have adverse effects. Measurements have detected an emission of energy at the 5KHz frequency up to several days after the crop circles were formed. This frequency lies within the audible range and some hear a "trilling sound". Many people show physical reactions after visiting crop circles. The symptoms are nausea, headaches, dizziness, tingling sensations and various pains. These symptoms are consistent with health problems from radiation. Mobile phones, cameras, watches and especially electronic equipment brought in to check the circles have failed and compasses on airplanes flying overhead have been reported spinning out of control.

From the same source that I provided.
Essan
QUOTE(zandore @ May 21 2005, 03:27 PM)
QUOTE(World-mysteries.com)
Often the crop images are set inside a field away from tramlines with no visible access. They also show up in fenced off restricted military areas. Plants in the affected areas look dehydrated and cells are enlarged. Soil samples tested by Colin Andrews yielded up to 100 % higher than normal EM measurements in the centers of the formations tested. There are reports that in the years following the appearance of the crop circle the affected areas had an increase in crop yield of up to 40%.

There is residual radiation in the circles, which can have adverse effects. Measurements have detected an emission of energy at the 5KHz frequency up to several days after the crop circles were formed. This frequency lies within the audible range and some hear a "trilling sound". Many people show physical reactions after visiting crop circles. The symptoms are nausea, headaches, dizziness, tingling sensations and various pains. These symptoms are consistent with health problems from radiation. Mobile phones, cameras, watches and especially electronic equipment brought in to check the circles have failed and compasses on airplanes flying overhead have been reported spinning out of control.

From the same source that I provided.
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I wouldn't place to much credance with what they say there wink2.gif Let's have some specific circles. What about the crop the following year? Has that ever been affected?

I'm 100% convinced that 100% of all 'corn circles' other than the original simple circles are man made. It's simply become a popular hobby with teams constanting trying to outdo one another. Most of the 'supernatural' elements were invented by these some people in the early days when it was fun to maintain an element of mystery.

As mentioned before, those simple round circles probably have a simple meteorological explanation.

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marduk
[quote=Essan,May 21 2005, 04:56 PM]
[quote=zandore,May 21 2005, 03:27 PM]
[quote=World-mysteries.com]Often the crop images are set inside a field away from tramlines with no visible access. They also show up in fenced off restricted military areas. Plants in the affected areas look dehydrated and cells are enlarged. Soil samples tested by Colin Andrews yielded up to 100 % higher than normal EM measurements in the centers of the formations tested. There are reports that in the years following the appearance of the crop circle the affected areas had an increase in crop yield of up to 40%.

There is residual radiation in the circles, which can have adverse effects. Measurements have detected an emission of energy at the 5KHz frequency up to several days after the crop circles were formed. This frequency lies within the audible range and some hear a "trilling sound". Many people show physical reactions after visiting crop circles. The symptoms are nausea, headaches, dizziness, tingling sensations and various pains. These symptoms are consistent with health problems from radiation. Mobile phones, cameras, watches and especially electronic equipment brought in to check the circles have failed and compasses on airplanes flying overhead have been reported spinning out of control.[/quote]
From the same source that I provided.
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I wouldn't place to much credance with what they say there wink2.gif Let's have some specific circles. What about the crop the following year? Has that ever been affected?

I'm 100% convinced that 100% of all 'corn circles' other than the original simple circles are man made. It's simply become a popular hobby with teams constanting trying to outdo one another. Most of the 'supernatural' elements were invented by these some people in the early days when it was fun to maintain an element of mystery.

As mentioned before, those simple round circles probably have a simple meteorological explanation.

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Essan you're my hero
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next week can you solve the yeti mystery ?
that'd be great thanks
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Falco Rex
Since you missed the team of people dragging boards around option I'm not voting.. tongue.gif
I think that no matter who or what made the crop circles we should treat them the way we'd treat any aspiring young, hopeful artist type and ignore them until they go away..
Lady
where's ur creativity? LOL! poor young artistic types - do u think Da Vinci or Michelangelo would appreciate that tongue.gif
marduk
QUOTE(Lady @ May 21 2005, 10:42 PM)
where's ur creativity?  LOL! poor young artistic types - do u think Da Vinci or Michelangelo would appreciate that  tongue.gif
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Hitler was a poor young artistic type too
its not all good
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XSAS
QUOTE(marduk @ May 21 2005, 11:02 PM)
QUOTE(Lady @ May 21 2005, 10:42 PM)
where's ur creativity?  LOL! poor young artistic types - do u think Da Vinci or Michelangelo would appreciate that  tongue.gif
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Hitler was a poor young artistic type too
its not all good
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Hey partner your off topic... do you have any rope and planks???
Lady
Sorry bou that blush.gif
i wondered though, do crop circles have nething to do with 'faerie rings'? they're kinda similar, though i think there's a theory that the rings are caused by deer. is there any link between the two? (rings n circles i mean)
marduk
QUOTE(Lady @ May 21 2005, 11:52 PM)
Sorry bou that  blush.gif
i wondered though, do crop circles have nething to do with 'faerie rings'?  they're kinda similar, though i think there's a theory that the rings are caused by deer.  is there any link between the two? (rings n circles i mean)
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Fairie rings are always almost caused by fungus iirc
or kids
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FLY SPITTA
Why does the poll say... umm dogs? Better yet why did people vote for that??? Anyways I voted aliens.
LarryOldtimer
QUOTE(Essan @ May 21 2005, 05:19 AM)
Records of actual 'Crop Circles' go back hundreds of years - as Zandore's quote demonstrates.

They're all round and are almost certainly caused by meteorological phenomena, probably tornadic vortices.

The fancy patterns we see every year now are formed by human beings and are about as mysterious as a London Bus.
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So please tell us in detail just how you would make one of the more complicated ones. I would particularly like details of just how you would set the obviously needed control points, even if a rope were used to make the arcs. I am a professional civil engineer, and have been involved in many a construction staking project, but without a transit and other technical surveying equipment, and a great deal of time . . . I'm talking hours and hours of labor . . . there is no damn way to construct one of the more complicated of these things. angry.gif
theoric
QUOTE(LarryOldtimer @ May 21 2005, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE(Essan @ May 21 2005, 05:19 AM)
Records of actual 'Crop Circles' go back hundreds of years - as Zandore's quote demonstrates.

They're all round and are almost certainly caused by meteorological phenomena, probably tornadic vortices.

The fancy patterns we see every year now are formed by human beings and are about as mysterious as a London Bus.
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So please tell us in detail just how you would make one of the more complicated ones. I would particularly like details of just how you would set the obviously needed control points, even if a rope were used to make the arcs. I am a professional civil engineer, and have been involved in many a construction staking project, but without a transit and other technical surveying equipment, and a great deal of time . . . I'm talking hours and hours of labor . . . there is no damn way to construct one of the more complicated of these things. angry.gif
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devil.gif maybe the military are doing it with "cookie cutters" on helicopters as part of some "military thing"?
The Roswell Man
or dimensional portals... dontgetit.gif w00t.gif
Amalgamut
There is no doubt in my mind..... it is for sure "dogs."

I am certain, 100%.
DJ_Quinn
Its pranksters. Some of the very elaborate ones are mearly elaborate pranks.
LarryOldtimer
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 22 2005, 11:56 PM)
Its pranksters. Some of the very elaborate ones are mearly elaborate pranks.
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Still waiting for a detailed description of exactly how these "pranks" are constructed. I haven't heard any real answer from anyone who has the neccessary skills yet. Oh yes, I have seen the extremely crude results of a few attempts, but am still waiting for the real thing to be constructed by one of you folks who keep saying it is real easy. rolleyes.gif
DJ_Quinn
I never said it was easy, they put a lot of planning into. I know some lads who have done it here in Ireland.


Mr Ed
It is probably a devious ploy by those cunning aliens. They have made a load of lovely patterns on the ground, so we look at them. Whilst we are looking at the ground they can fly about in the sky unseen! grin2.gif
Falco Rex
For those of you who don't think it's human beings doing this; I offer you this link..

ciclemakers
Mr Ed
There are much more complex ones than the ones shown on this site.
DJ_Quinn
The proof required for extrordinary claims must be extrordinary itself.
marduk
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ May 23 2005, 01:09 PM)
The proof required for extrordinary claims must be extrordinary itself.
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or you could just use occhams razor
either they're pretty pictures faked by geometrically minded members of the human race
or
an alien species has travelled light years to get here to mess up a few crops

maybe common sense would be just as good huh
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DJ_Quinn
Exactly marduk.
I would love it if they where made by aliens, but logic tells me otherwise.
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Method
UM already ran a seris on this, it can be made over night with woodplanks, and rope.
Mr Ed
Yes, some of them can be made this way, as well all know. However some of them, if created by using this method, would have taken many men and more time than one night allows.
marduk
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ May 23 2005, 01:39 PM)
Yes, some of them can be made this way, as well all know. However some of them, if created by using this method, would have taken many men and more time than one night allows.
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I wouldn't have thought so
iirc the perfect number for a team of circle hoaxers has always been two
maybe it depends on the length of rope you're using eh
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Mr Ed
ah maybe...well some of these things are massive, I can't explain all of them. I'll leave it to the discovery channel.
Essan
QUOTE(LarryOldtimer @ May 22 2005, 06:05 AM)
QUOTE(Essan @ May 21 2005, 05:19 AM)
Records of actual 'Crop Circles' go back hundreds of years - as Zandore's quote demonstrates.

They're all round and are almost certainly caused by meteorological phenomena, probably tornadic vortices.

The fancy patterns we see every year now are formed by human beings and are about as mysterious as a London Bus.
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So please tell us in detail just how you would make one of the more complicated ones. I would particularly like details of just how you would set the obviously needed control points, even if a rope were used to make the arcs. I am a professional civil engineer, and have been involved in many a construction staking project, but without a transit and other technical surveying equipment, and a great deal of time . . . I'm talking hours and hours of labor . . . there is no damn way to construct one of the more complicated of these things. angry.gif
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I don't know how they're made. I don't know how to make a TV or a jet fighter or a nuclear power station either........
Essan
http://www.circlemakers.org/

Now, either they're telling the truth and crop circles are made by the people who claim to make them.

Or they're lying - in which case why? Are they part of the aliens' dastardly scheme? devil.gif alien.gif w00t.gif
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