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Mookie
I be new to this, but in my opinion, i think it was well done, if it was a fake, and yes you can see they are wearing light coloured trousers.

Still good tho thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif
amybutts
QUOTE(NME_locus @ May 8 2006, 01:03 PM) [snapback]1179938[/snapback]

I know, but before people knew it was TAPS, it was accused as being hoaxed. Funny how people give them credit now. That's all...



Yup, you have a point there. I have always thought it was a hoax somehow though. I don't necessarily think TAPS did the hoaxing, but it would not be the first time someone tried to pull it over on them. Remember the Queen Mary and the bed covers? Someone could have been in there waiting to pull it on them.
Acenaspheru
i think what makes me angry about this is not so much it being called a hoax, but that the people so obviously stole it from the taps website and didn't say anything as to where they got it.

now my thoughts. i can fathom how this could be faked. if for example someone knew the area well they wouldn't exactly need to see where they were going. here's the problem though. the figure gets close enough that if it was a person the camera should be vibrating at the very least. also if you'll note the feet never actually move as it's going away so if this was a hoax it'd have to be a cleaverly disguised skateboard or something of the like. the fact that this thing glides makes it impossible to hoax because having a skateboard up on the fourth floor where the ground is already reletively unstable *remember there were holes at the end of that hallway* would be increadibly risky at best.

they did go back and were able to find a space that a small person could have climbed up. the trouble there is, the person would have to be hiding in the airducts or something becuse i believe that was the cell the put the evp recorder in. that means they would have not only made it past the people in the cell, but also the tape recorder without being seen or heard.

as for the dust, it's possible that whatever is there cause the disturbence. re watch that episode and you'll see similar dust movement when brian is trying to run with the sheet over his head. anything flowy is going to stir up dust in whatever direction it's going. the dust does follow the laws of physics here.
Spunned
ah yes, i've seen this one before... can't remember where though :/

it's kinda freaky 'cause you don't know what it is, but it's moving really fast...

scary...
Kobalos
Creepy, but ... it looks like a camera anomaly to me. Sorry. One of my jobs used to be studying animal behaviour, for which I had to study cheap camera footage of rats, taken in reverse light conditions, whilst they negotiated a maze etc. The depth of field was very small, so anything moving showed like this one does. They all showed as 'ghost' rodents on film, but I can assure you they were real. I still got the scars to prove it!
It's a kid in a hoodie, filmed on a cheap security camera. Probably going to do the place over, then sees the cam and thinks better of it ...
Kobalos
Put another way - just because an event is explicable, doesn't mean it's a fake-up!
Acenaspheru
QUOTE(Kobalos @ May 10 2006, 02:20 PM) [snapback]1183057[/snapback]

Put another way - just because an event is explicable, doesn't mean it's a fake-up!


it's not a security camera. there's this paranormal investgation group known as T.A.P.S *the atlantic paranormal sosciety* who set up one of their cameras on the forth floor of a closed down jail. the camera is taped to the railing and i assure it's it's a high quality camera. DVRs are extreemely expensive. this is either a REAL ghost or someone FAKING. the person wouldn't have been able to see the camera in the dark, which is what had T.A.P.S so confused. people have seen a shadow come out of that cell and run down the hall.
SpeCtruM
mmm now im confused... i also saw what could have being a shoe and white pants but if this belonged to an investigation program which i presume ARE SERIOUS about the paranormal then... its not a case closed
Acenaspheru
QUOTE(SpeCtruM @ May 10 2006, 03:19 PM) [snapback]1183155[/snapback]

mmm now im confused... i also saw what could have being a shoe and white pants but if this belonged to an investigation program which i presume ARE SERIOUS about the paranormal then... its not a case closed


they are VERY serious about their investigations *with the exception of brian, but he's just a little immature...* What i think is so strange about the footage it's self is that even though there clearly are white pants and shoes, it's not actually walking, it's gliding. if it was an actual person they should appear to be bouncing for as fast as they'd have to be running.

laugh.gif T.A.P.S makes every other ghost show out there look like a bunch of sissiy kids.
DeadRobot
QUOTE(Acenaspheru @ May 9 2006, 06:17 AM) [snapback]1180853[/snapback]

i think what makes me angry about this is not so much it being called a hoax, but that the people so obviously stole it from the taps website and didn't say anything as to where they got it.

now my thoughts. i can fathom how this could be faked. if for example someone knew the area well they wouldn't exactly need to see where they were going. here's the problem though. the figure gets close enough that if it was a person the camera should be vibrating at the very least. also if you'll note the feet never actually move as it's going away so if this was a hoax it'd have to be a cleaverly disguised skateboard or something of the like. the fact that this thing glides makes it impossible to hoax because having a skateboard up on the fourth floor where the ground is already reletively unstable *remember there were holes at the end of that hallway* would be increadibly risky at best.

they did go back and were able to find a space that a small person could have climbed up. the trouble there is, the person would have to be hiding in the airducts or something becuse i believe that was the cell the put the evp recorder in. that means they would have not only made it past the people in the cell, but also the tape recorder without being seen or heard.

as for the dust, it's possible that whatever is there cause the disturbence. re watch that episode and you'll see similar dust movement when brian is trying to run with the sheet over his head. anything flowy is going to stir up dust in whatever direction it's going. the dust does follow the laws of physics here.


What about the clip being entirely manipulated? Using video editing suite you can add things in frame by frame and might explain its smoothness. The thing being put in with the lighter trousers as folks have stated might have been a person standing that was dubbed into the frames and enlarged to look like its moving towards you and shrunk when retreating again. Tho the video footage on a whole has that unsettling feeling of 'looking' genuine, however hats off to the video editor if it is faked.
NME_locus
So far, everyone has got respectable views one this. I do agree with Acenaspheru, that TAPS is serious about there investigations, and spend a great deal of cash on quality cameras.
Acenaspheru
QUOTE(DeadRobot @ May 11 2006, 11:01 AM) [snapback]1184342[/snapback]

What about the clip being entirely manipulated? Using video editing suite you can add things in frame by frame and might explain its smoothness. The thing being put in with the lighter trousers as folks have stated might have been a person standing that was dubbed into the frames and enlarged to look like its moving towards you and shrunk when retreating again. Tho the video footage on a whole has that unsettling feeling of 'looking' genuine, however hats off to the video editor if it is faked.


i'm not sure about professionals, however i do quite a bit of editing for a hobby and while yes i could do that, it'd take about four weeks with as many frames as there are. i could take a hallway like that, and a person riding a skatebored with a cloak on and combine them to make it look like that, however the end result isn't worth the time or energy. concidering the saw it while reviewing the evidence the next day, it's unlikely they would have been able to pull something like that off. though, yes possible, but T.A.P.S isn't the kind of group who wants fame like that. 80% of what they investigate comes up with nothing so they have a bit more creadibility over most other shows. though the thing that has crossed my mind several times is that maybe sci-fi sets things up to make a better show. this isn't meant to say that the team have anything to do with it, but i really wonder about that sometimes....
NME_locus
QUOTE(Acenaspheru @ May 11 2006, 09:01 PM) [snapback]1184701[/snapback]

i'm not sure about professionals, however i do quite a bit of editing for a hobby and while yes i could do that, it'd take about four weeks with as many frames as there are. i could take a hallway like that, and a person riding a skatebored with a cloak on and combine them to make it look like that, however the end result isn't worth the time or energy. concidering the saw it while reviewing the evidence the next day, it's unlikely they would have been able to pull something like that off. though, yes possible, but T.A.P.S isn't the kind of group who wants fame like that. 80% of what they investigate comes up with nothing so they have a bit more creadibility over most other shows. though the thing that has crossed my mind several times is that maybe sci-fi sets things up to make a better show. this isn't meant to say that the team have anything to do with it, but i really wonder about that sometimes....


I see where you're going with your closing statement. Good one!
Acenaspheru
QUOTE(NME_locus @ May 11 2006, 04:16 PM) [snapback]1184712[/snapback]

I see where you're going with your closing statement. Good one!


^^ thanks. thinking about it a little more, i think good evidence of Sci-Fi tampering could be the prank on the Queen Mary. they'd likely have to arive before the team to figure out camera angles and such, and very easily could have descovered the little walk around enabling them to get to the bed and recorder.
Tucuxi
That scared the hell out of me...until the shoes were pointed out. Now I just feel dumb rolleyes.gif . It's still scary, though.
Mookie
who are TAPS?
Acenaspheru
QUOTE(Mookie @ May 11 2006, 07:39 PM) [snapback]1185022[/snapback]

who are TAPS?


http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/ the group was founded by Jason and Grant several years ago *i thin they said seven so around 1999* in 2002 the sci-fi channel approached them and asked if they could make a show out of following them around to supposedly haunted locals around new england. they are a very creadible, professional group who don't feel they need to fake anything. that's their website.

and just as a side note, what you people don't think ghosts wear pants and shoes? if it was someone sent up there wouldn't they be wearing BLACK pants and shoes so as not to be seen? what about reserection mary? she wears a prom dress and carries her high heels...
boorite
I don't know that they're shoes. I don't think anyone can see them that well. In any case, the guys tried to reproduce this by having one of them put a shroud over his head and run back and forth in front of the camera in the same location. It was hilarious. He couldn't see straight and was in constant fear of running into the rusty metal handrail. He was like, "f'you, dude, you do it." And it didn't look *anything* like this footage.

I'm puzzled by it. The only way to fake it would be to put it together in post. And why would you fake up this blurry indistinct fast-motion Jawa-looking crud? If I were going to spend time and money faking something, it would look better than this!
DeadRobot
QUOTE(Acenaspheru @ May 11 2006, 10:01 PM) [snapback]1184701[/snapback]

i'm not sure about professionals, however i do quite a bit of editing for a hobby and while yes i could do that, it'd take about four weeks with as many frames as there are. i could take a hallway like that, and a person riding a skatebored with a cloak on and combine them to make it look like that, however the end result isn't worth the time or energy. concidering the saw it while reviewing the evidence the next day, it's unlikely they would have been able to pull something like that off. though, yes possible, but T.A.P.S isn't the kind of group who wants fame like that. 80% of what they investigate comes up with nothing so they have a bit more creadibility over most other shows. though the thing that has crossed my mind several times is that maybe sci-fi sets things up to make a better show. this isn't meant to say that the team have anything to do with it, but i really wonder about that sometimes....

I always try to rule footage both possible and and fakable. If too far fetched/complicated to be fakable in the time frame it was recorded > uploaded/broadcasted as you suggest then it swings more towards the possible original.gif

I don't prove/disprove TAPS mainly because i've not watched that show b4 (yeh, im a noob tongue.gif) I was mainly concentrating on the evidence of the clip it's self.
Acenaspheru
QUOTE(boorite @ May 11 2006, 11:46 PM) [snapback]1185316[/snapback]

I don't know that they're shoes. I don't think anyone can see them that well. In any case, the guys tried to reproduce this by having one of them put a shroud over his head and run back and forth in front of the camera in the same location. It was hilarious. He couldn't see straight and was in constant fear of running into the rusty metal handrail. He was like, "f'you, dude, you do it." And it didn't look *anything* like this footage.

I'm puzzled by it. The only way to fake it would be to put it together in post. And why would you fake up this blurry indistinct fast-motion Jawa-looking crud? If I were going to spend time and money faking something, it would look better than this!


LMAO let's not forget this was the same episode with DUDE RUN!!!!
-never- get's old!

ah thank you! someone who agrees!!!! not to mention they really wouldn't have had time to fake it, or likely equipment.
Acenaspheru
QUOTE(DeadRobot @ May 12 2006, 12:14 AM) [snapback]1185335[/snapback]

I always try to rule footage both possible and and fakable. If too far fetched/complicated to be fakable in the time frame it was recorded > uploaded/broadcasted as you suggest then it swings more towards the possible original.gif

I don't prove/disprove TAPS mainly because i've not watched that show b4 (yeh, im a noob tongue.gif) I was mainly concentrating on the evidence of the clip it's self.


ah. XD it's surprising how many people on here haven't seen the show. it's good if you don't mind the rwalisim. in otherwords you won't see mediums, or anything like that.
greywolf
hi,
yeah,i saw this video on the ghost hunters tv show.it was supposedly an apparition in one of the prisons they were investigating?that guy runs almost as fast as i do when the cops are chasing me!wonder if he can jump a fence as fast as me?ha! ha! i have always thought that the ghost hunters show was legitimate.if they faked this they are taking a chance of losing their show.
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