It is only my opinion but it seems strange that if witchcraft is evil why would your Lord and Savior use it.

Examples, Jesus roamed around with 12 disciples thats 13 that is a Coven.

He healed people with his hands and saying verses and incantations.

He turned water into wine.

He fed many, many people with 1 fish and 1 loaf of bread.

Other examples of magic, Moses parted the waters with waiving his Staph.

Moses turned his staph in to a serpent.

Any Ideas.

This certainly promises to be bolster a fascinating discussion.

It's interesting you would address this issue, given there is a site, copyright 1999, dedicated to the concept; Jesus Witch (Interesting corollary of the 999 in the date to the holy number/ trinity, of the ancient Goddess also. )

There are many that consider witchcraft to be evil or of the devil. Usually those opinions are drafted by people who have never researched the history of the craft of the wise, (wicce), or they title themselves as former witches, who then found their way to salvation in JC and now consider their past life experience in the craft and the art itself, as evil.
I think that speaks to their emotional and mental insecurities, but that's another thread.

Certainly the miracles attributed unto Jeshua in the New Testament , are akin to witchcraft as applied by definition. It is my hope that this link will help to further this discourse.

Thank you for posting.

but, their bible says magic is wrong.




of course, if my theories of the "dark book" are correct, it all makes sense.

There may well be some similarities between magic and miracles but that is about it they are in truth very different. Satan has counterfeited almost all of the miracles that Christ demonstrated as a way to confuse, as the father of all lies it is what he does best.
An example is the difference between a prophet and a clairvoyant.
Prophet = 100% of premonitions are correct.
Clairvoyant. = anything less than 100% correct.
Christ healed the sick with the authority of His Father not with magic incantations.
An original wicca coven consisted of nine. It became 12 around 10th century and more than lightly from a satanic form of wicca again to counterfeit what God had done.
Miracles were done to honor the Father in heaven.
Magic is done to honor the magician or the demon that assists them.
Beware the counterfeiter.
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i somehow doubt there is any connection between the two.

One man's miracles, is another man's magic

There weren't 13 disciples.

Jesus did not use magic.

He never said the words "mick alicka high micka hiney ho!"

Yes sir, and there is even more counterfeiting to come.

oic what you mean...Jesus plus the Twelve is 13.

Because these things were done thru God. Whereelse witches and pegeans do magic thru a goddess-no other God's before me, or they do it thru satan-God's greatest enemy! Also, we are not God, we do not posess the power to do this stuff without God and this was for the good.But today in this society if the pope or a saint done magic, they would be ridiculed.

From what I understand, paranormal actions done through and with GOD are very much acceptable.
There appears to be an ability(from theological writings) that similar paranormal actions can be done separate from GOD's direct involvement or pleasure. Such would be termed "magic" or "sorcery" in those writings.

I just leanred this in my Christian History class(and I go to a Jewish Private school)


We are not allowed to use magic because it shows that we are like God creating things and stuff like that, I don't think it's considered evil though....Anyway Jesus said that if we use magic it's disrespectful to him, and many people just assumed it's 'evil and dark' and all that stuff.
Understand?
I'm affraid i'm not learned at all....oh well

Oddly.. neither do I when I do do the rare magic spell...

*swats* Get your incantations right! Not some gobbletygook used on an annoying child's show!!

Is the Wiccan Religion going to burn in hell for using all sorts of magic?

hahahah, sorry i have been watching too much "Pee-Wee's Playhouse."

Dude, who watches Pee-Wee's Playhouse? Weird

No Wiccans are safe from hell.. it's not in there beliefs.

Aww they're so lucky, they can do magic there whole life and not go to hell.

*shrugs* Many other religions can do the same and not worry about hell...

But religion is of choice, not "I want to do magic!" It's what you feel is right for yourself...

Duuuuddde, who watches "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure?"

Not me on either.. I'd rather watch MASH

M*A*S*H is boooorrrriinngggggg

Naaa.. it was great until the final a few last seasons when Alan Alda took the riegns as director and turned it into more drama, less slap stick that was known from the movie and first season...

That guy who always dressed up as a girl was rather odd.

I don't watch Bill and Ted's whatever you called it adventure. lol

they were all odd characters. that is why the show worked!

That was the point. He was trying to get out of the army on a section 8 (insane)

Honestly, most of the show won't make sence unless you watch from day one, and the Movie... the movie was supurbly done... and for the first and a bit of the second season... they followed along with what the movie did... then eventually just went along a somewhat normal sitcom format... abandoning the filmography of the movie al together.. which was sad...

I don't get the bible..... I find it sad how people's lives are revolved around a book.......that was made how long ago? It's idiotic.......

This is God..."Love me!! Or I will send you to Hell!!"

Some bored old men made the book probably......

It's still sad I think..... but if people want to waste their lives with believing a book.....go ahead ...........

You're right. I need to just throw mine in the trash, and let the mice defecate all over it. What was I thinking!?!??!!?

I never liked the "Suicide is Painless" theme song. Its kinda weird, because is has a real slow tune, then at the end of the song its like "da da DAAA!!!" like all happy and stuff. Oh well...

ever hear the origonal song?

how old something is has no affect on its truth.

but the knowledge gained since its creation certianly does!

Really? Like what? Tell me one that science has discovered that contradicts the Bible. (and remember, evolution is compatible)

1. dinosaurs
2. cud chewing rabbits
3. global floods
4. flat earth
5. 6000 year old earth
6. evo is compatable, is it? then what of humans have souls where animals do not? if we are all animals then we all have the same make-up! what of all the "man in image of god" nonsense?

1. Dinosaurs are animals, these were part of the creation.
2. cud chewing rabbits?
3. There are parts of the earth that show signs of a massive flood.
4. The bible does not say the earth was flat. (I thought we've talked about this)
5. The Bible does not say the earth is 6000 yrs old.
6. Animals were made for us to eat. They have no souls. However, the bible does say animals were made before man.

some claim that man got here 6 days after the earth was formed, so where is there room in there for millions of years of dino history?
the parts that show flood do not show a global flood
ok, so the earth was a disk with some sheet over it through which holes were poked to form stars or some other nonsense.
again, there are many bible-theorists that swear by the bible's accounts that the earth is 6000 years old
if man came from animal (evo) and man has a soul, where did the soul come from? did the soul come of evo? did all animals have a soul?..... vague! again, for contradictions go see my thread on the bible and diet and how it claims geneis says we are not to eat meat!

Clairvoyant: from French. Clair-voyance "seeing clearly". So, all people who see clearly are anything less than 100% correct.

Prophet: from L. propheta, from Gk. prophetes (Doric prophatas) "an interpreter, spokesman," especially of the gods, from pro- "before" + root of phanai "to speak. So, all those who interpret the scriptures or who claim to be spokesmen of the Gods 100% of premonitions are correct.

The "days" are not literal days. You can see this clearly by reading about the "fourth day." The sun and moon were not made untill the forth day.



The flood was only for 40 days. I doubt there was much evidence left behind. And God only knows how long ago that was. However,animals have been found embedded under ice at the polar caps that were not adapted to those temperatures. (Meaning the were not living at the caps) This could be an indicator of a global flood.

what?

I know. However, I don't think they are correct. There are also many bible theorists that swear Genesis 6:4 is talking about "the sons of Seth" but they are wrong.

The "soul" came from God. God made man in His image. Animals are food. Animals do not have civil rights. They cannot buy a home, and if one stepped out and wanted to buy one, the animal would be refused. Animals are not people, people are not animals.

1. so the sun and moon were not made til the 4th day. so that leaves the 5th day for the dinos. still a small window!
2. too bad there is not enough water on earth to flood it entirely!
3. see. more multiple interpretations. a god would have been able to communicate better than that!
4. animal, plant, mineral. man is of the class of animals. as for animals wanting homes, they do! if you were in the mountains out here and decided you liked a little nest and so did a bear i can tell you it is pretty certian it would be the bear keeping that home, not you!

Point blank said: That the bible doesn't tell how old the earth was. It just speaks of the 7 days in which it was made, not how long it has involved up until the bible was written or the telling of future.
Dino's are animals, animals are not humans. God seperates animals from humans, it clearly speaks in bible that God did not make us to be like animals.
P.S. Mash sucks period, I love the Bill and Ted Movies, and I don't know of any child that didn't watch Pee Wee's Playhouse. I wasn't much for it but my little brothers was so into it, so I watched it with them till it was over and I could watch my shows.

YES!!!!!

Pee-Wee's playhouse was awesome!

To each thier own.. and I wouldn't want to "offend" Kate by furthering this conversation.

Well considering none of my comments on this had anything to do with you. So grow up and take a stab at someone else, for I said nothing to you. Get over it! Only one attacking is you with a snare comment made for whatever no reason. And no matter what, everyone get's offended and in return can be offensive to others. For you are all the time, only difference is, I care and you dont'! And why would you and how have you offended me in this, I made a statement on my thoughts and am I not allowed to do that. Nasty comments made by you above is rediculous, childish, and immature!! Grow up if that is all you have to say! I have a right to be here and don't deserve those comments.

*snerks* This comming from you.. who if anyone breathed at you wrong would flair up and cry...

HA!

Here we go again

I need some popcorn.

but this time it is a catfight! those are always more entertaining. <snicker>

MEOW MEOW MEOW..... HISS

*grabs some popcorn and curls up* Hey guys.. what's going on in here?

True.
It is a topic of perpetual importance, and hence perpetual discourse and debate.

Bravo, very well put.