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Help me understand how the mind of the Bible follower works.

If I read the full Star wars book and believe with all my heart that what is in it is true than it is so, correct.

Or maybe Harry potter, I believe in magic so maybe Harry is real.

So all I have to do is read a Harry Potter book and I can do magic?

Maybe but I think you have to have a wand.

nah, the wand is a crutch for a weak mind!

So I take it a staff is best?

Did Harry Potter or "Star Wars" take any credit to the creation of the universe?

They knew better than to do that.

One of my favorite songs by tool starts with these three words.

But you did not answer his question.

I answered his question with a question.

All three are works of fiction.

Two are certain.

One is not.

Star Wars

i am glad to know harry potter is a non-fictional book! <snicker>

I think we know which one is left out.

Very interesting post!
I think it all comes down to (as always) people's knowledge of and belief in, the Bible.
I am a believer now, but wasn't most of my life. I didn't get the Bible at all, but in time and in reading it, I do now.
This is the perspective from someone who believes in the Bible...
the word "coven" is not used in the Bible, therefore, we cannot use our own words or definitions regarding it.
"Coven" is referred to as "an assembly of 13 witches" by most dictionaries. Jesus was God- not a witch. The others were men, not witches. So we can't really say they were a coven.
Jesus performed miracles, according to the Bible. He was God- the Creator of everything (according to my beliefs). He did not use incantations- he just touched people and told them to "rise" or "do you believe? then see...". Because He was God. People who practice Wicca think they get their "power" from words, books, and some force that is not the God that is spoken of in the Bible. That, it says, is "magic". Witches use spells, Jesus (God) used nothing but Himself.
Moses used a staff to part water, because he was doing deeds for God- he was freeing a people that God promised to deliver freedom. It wasn't Moses, but he called on God to do that. But again, it isnt seen as magic, because it is from the Creator, the Father.
Again, this is just based on my beliefs, and the Christian beliefs.
I have friends who are Wiccan, so please dont take this as me bashing anyone else- I am just answering where we come from.
Its so hard when someone doesnt know or believe in the Bible- because it cannot be proven until death or the end of time. Thats why it is called "faith".

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From a Bible Follower's mind...
I really liked how you asked that (well, I am a big Star Wars fan lol) but you made a good anaology.
But here is the difference can trace the Star Wars author. That person said that book is fiction.
The Bible was written so many years ago, by people who claim to have written it for God. There are many things in the Bible that have proven to be so- places, people, prophesies...unlike the Star Wars book.
And a person like myself, was not always a Bible believer. It didnt have to be proved to me- it just came to be so.
I have seen so many things in my life, and it led me to ask Q's and seek A's. I got them, and after I saw how my life dramatically changed for the positive, and things shown and given to me off prayer and faith, praise and worship, there is no way I can deny it. My belief came before my faith, though.
Just wanted to give ya my 2cents

sort of like a dog after he finds a new home/master?

the comfort of being kept.

Very similar. Let me ask you, if the creator shined his grace on thee, would you receive it, and allow him/her to care for you?

are you talking to me?

well, if you are: no, i have no use for the tyrant of the monotheistic religions. to put it bluntly, he does not measure up to my code of ethics! now there is one for you!

Just out of curiosity....were you brought up into any form of religion? We're/are your parents religious?

out of curiosity, are your eyes green?

what has my upbringing have to do with it?

No.

It was just a question.

a question to try and launch another one of your infamous faulty logic defences of chrisianity perhaps....

@ Hyper it is just one of those questions that have a way people changing in their beliefs. I don't think he was trying to offend you any. But you do have the right to remain silent.

A question that you cannot answer for some reason......

I sense that you have a hatred towards my religion, and I'm trying to figure out why.

i don't hate anything...

but i sense you have a fear of the truth!!!!

if you were so interested in my upbringing, i have posted tidbits about it in other converstions.... you just have to look... if your that intested, that is!

What truth?!

when you look at all the perspectives of christianity, it is false from all except from within itself!

no external validation...... don't say faith, say "no external valdiation"!

i won't even list (again) all the external sources for it being a false religion!

hmmm...not sure what you mean.

you will find what you need to find.

set in your ways are you. you admit to a least one error in the bible, and that is enough for me. now go take a long hot bath, you deserve it!

let me know if you want to debate this topic formally.

Thats what I have been trying to do.

And you still haven't answered my question.

about "no external validation"?

or about jesus being but a man?

It's a simple question. It can be replied with a simple yes/no answer.

i answered you with:
1. i do not see the relevance of it. as a scientist does it matter if my dad was an investment banker or a schoolbus driver? no!
2. i told you there are tidbits of my life scattered about the board. if you were that interested you would have already picked up on how i was raised. or do you want to know the specific beliefs of my parents? i still see no relevance to your probing.

Just a simple question. But forget it.

I asked you with the thought that you would reply with a simple "yes/no" answer. I don't want to go and wade through your posts to "get tidbits." However, I see this is a sensitive subject, and I will refrain from talking about this matter any further.

i am not sensitive to my past. i just do not intend to allow you to try and avoid the issues being debated by somehow falsely claiming my upbringing has something to do with my views.

my short history has nothing to do with the 2000 year old errors of the bible and christianity!

I did not intend to debate on how your "upbringing" made you who you are today.

I just wondered out of curiousity. Simple as that.

to which you later said you though i had some form of hatred for your religion and you were looking for it.....



since it will do you no good in this debate, the answer is i was exposed to 10 different religions as a child for the purpose of understanding. i later studied 6 more on my own. my parents raised me to be critical of everything and not fall into the common traps of the illogical/anecdotal mindset (yes, even critical of their own belief structures).

through my own learning i discovered the necessity for one to leave something to understand it. you must question it to accept it. you must see all the perspectives to adopt one perspective.

if you want to know where i stand on spirituality (which i don't routinely discuss), well lets just say i am more aligned with loge than any other member posting in here, even though it may not show.

I thought Loge is a christian.

read his posts.... the hermetic ways are very akin to the buddhist ways.

i don't treat buddhism as more than a philosphy, nor do i treat christianity as more than a philosophy (contrary to some of those debating you, i am not out to completely rip your religion apart, i am mainly out to disprove the man-god concept and the infallibility of the bible)

You cannot prove Christianity.

However, you cannot disprove it either.

Somewhere in the middle is where it will always lie.

*has a feeling someone will take the third line and say, "exactly! it contains lies!"

lies....

well, the politics of religion are anothr debate entirely....

as for prove/disprove. all it takes is one error in the bible to show it is not infallible.

we already reached that point, my friend.....

the funny thing is that you fear the evidence of an error in the book weakens your religion because of the "all or nothing".

for me, admission of the book being written by men, translated by men, based on the teachings of a MAN allows for greater appreciation of it and an understanding of it as one small part of a process.

from my perspective, the only way to disprove the entire book is by either showing each line to be in error (micro) or to show each overall theme of the book to be in error (macro). you see, even though i can provide proof the flood was not global, it does not take away from the historical context of a local flood, nor does it take away from any underlying message the writers were conveying. especially with the torah/OT i avoid getting drawn into literal meanings because the whole book is ment to be symbolic! it is a question of whether the overall tales bear fruit or not. As a religion at the apex of the previous cycle of knowledge of man, judaism carries quite a bit of knowledge. As the first religion of this cycle of knowledge, christianity carries little knowledge but quite a bit of superstition.

in the bigger picture of the monotheisic religions (which i do indeed veiw as flawed due to their dualities) judaism is the grand source of knowledge, christianity is the religion of uncertianty and falsehoods, and islam is the "perfection" of christianity.

Islam is a joke.

The Jews will even tell you this.

well, then you just admitted that christianity is a joke!

Ummm... no