I never said this. If I did please quote me on it.

I see you didn't get the link I provided you in the other thread. Here let me give you the deffinition for "evil" in Hebrew. Notice it has many meanings.

Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions:
râ‛âh (Strong's H7451)
bad, evil (adjective)
bad, disagreeable, malignant
bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
evil, displeasing
bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
bad (of value)
worse than, worst (comparison)
sad, unhappy
evil (hurtful)
bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
in general, of persons, of thoughts
deeds, actions
evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity (noun masculine)
evil, distress, adversity
evil, injury, wrong
evil (ethical)
evil, misery, distress, injury (noun feminine)
evil, misery, distress
evil, injury, wrong
evil (ethical)

Had he been speaking about a specific person's generation in terms of their lifetime, Jesus would have said "your generation." It's as simple as that.


See the above definitions please.

strangely enough, that is very close to the truth, at least for the OT.
from Strong's:
yowm
1) day, time, year
a) day (as opposed to night)
B) day (24 hour period)
1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
2) as a division of time
a) a working day, a day's journey
c) days, lifetime (pl.)
d) time, period (general)
e) year
f) temporal references
1) today
2) yesterday
3) tomorrow

Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions:
râ‛âh (Strong's H7451)
bad, evil (adjective)
bad, disagreeable, malignant
bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
evil, displeasing
bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
bad (of value)
worse than, worst (comparison)
sad, unhappy
evil (hurtful)
bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
in general, of persons, of thoughts
deeds, actions
evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity (noun masculine)
evil, distress, adversity
evil, injury, wrong
evil (ethical)
evil, misery, distress, injury (noun feminine)
evil, misery, distress
evil, injury, wrong
evil (ethical)

Simply means to bring up, as used by the Jews.

I never said I thought this. I may have said other people thought this. But I never said I think that 1 day is equal to 1,000 years. If I did, then quote me on it please.

I never said this! Please stop putting words in my mouth. I said the first 4 days did not refer to actual days, but I NEVER said anything about "1,000 years."

I said that actual days werent made till the fourth day. So therefore the word "day" used in Genesis 1 does not refer to an actual 24 hour day. The 24 hour day WAS NOT made till the fourth day! How could any "day" used here mean actual 24 hours?! It's apparent the the word "day" used in Genesis 1:3-31 does not mean a 24 hour day.

Hey guys - C'mon - this WAS a serious discussion and shouldn't degenerate into a discussion of the errors of a very errant document. Back to the subject please - a very angry Wolf - Beowulf

I DAY in God's years (lightyears) equals 1000 Earth years. It says so specifically in Enoch when the 7 days of creation were 7000 years, in Haggadah, etc. God is in SPACE not a cloud, there would understandably be a time difference, and seeing as creation was done in GOD's years, as He was creating the Earth, HE said 7 days. God's days, not earth's.

Funnily enough, Orion is 1,500 lightyears away. The pre-dynasty Egyptians (influenced by the fallen angels of Enoch) said Orion was the Throne of God.

And, God DID say He created the good and the bad (or good and evil) and that there was NO ONE (that would include the accusing angels satan, who WORKS for God, but is the enemy of HUMANITY) was at war with Him. Satan was already fallen at that time.

Even the monstrous hybrids, the Nephilim were made to be th monsters they were by God, as a punishment to both those angels and the people for what they did.

Sorry Ashely, but the last time I checked, this discussion was about Jesus and the bible. I keep looking for it, but I can't seem to find the book of enoch in the bible.

Oh I see Saucy's still a little shattered over not actually knowing how many levels of Heaven there were. Or, even where Heaven IS. What couldn't find your answer in the 'Bible'?

Actually, while you're there Saucy, why don't YOU work out what year, day, time, Jesus was born using your cut to bits 'modern Bible'. Bet you a million you can't do it.

I've alread set out a standard from some 'excluded books' and you can't use MY method, that would be cheating. Mordern Bible only now!

Ashley, you are one of about 8 people in the world that believe Enoch is a divine work, all the others know that Enoch is a 2nd Century BCE forgery written by the Maccabbean scribes at about the same time they forged or rewrote Daniel! - A hardily laughing wolf - Beowulf

beowulf, i read somewhere that the client kingdoms were required to pay "taxes in kind," grain especially. this would have been true for HTG's Judea, correct?

Judea could have paid a "tax" in grain, but that would not have necesssitated a census, nor would a census have been legal....it would have been seen as a power move to take over the kingdom and would have caused immense turmoil. Josephus (with his hatred of HTG) would have definitely listed that among HTG's myriad of sins if it had happened and he only listed the one in 6 CE). Don't think that idea would fly! Taxation does not equate to Census, when it is not your province, but only a protectorate. - Beowulf

Friends - the wolf has to leave for a few days, I just got word that my Mother is dying and I must go there as fast as I can - I will be back in a few days - for those that are Theists, pray for my swift journey - Thanks - Beowulf

my condolences to you beowulf. May her journey be smooth.

Beowulf, there are many people who accept Eoch as a divine work, several of thm are on this very board. Genesis, like I've said a million times came from Jubilees, and Jubilees was given to Moses by an angel. Jubilees QUOTES the BOOK of Enoch, ad recounts the events of the the angels fall and Nephillim, etc.

Anyway, religious differences aside, my condolances about your mother....

Beowulf, I will pray for you and your family. Your in my thoughts. Please take care.

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