This was emailed to me by a friend. For curiosities sake I am posting it.

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Neat video. So where did flight 77 go?

Good lord blimey - if all of that turns out to be fact then I would have to say it was a missile strike - cripes

Well, that just figures. Leave it to the powers that be to keep secrets! Unheard of! Seriously, why would they keep information like that a secret? Then again, maybe I don't want to know....

Was there one?

Great piece of work

Makes you think that the top brass set one of their own missles into the pentagon for their own agenda,whip up a frenzy,get the american public on side for war

Or they knew what was going to hapen long before it did at the twin towers and let it hapen so the American public would be up in arms and there would be no opposition to go to war

Or the american air force tried to shoot a plane from the sky the missle went in its own course and hit the pentagon,blame it on the terrorists

There is more to this than we are being told,WHY

I have read this and I think it should be best placed in the conspiracy section.

I have to agree I have seen loads of footage and after impact not a single piece of Plane was to be found? also all the video footage with split second loops (not sure of the correct term) showed a plane hitting the Pentagon? this means that the plane would have to be travelling at speeds beyond our capabilities to have hit the target without detection?

Intersting topic.

What about these eyewitness accounts:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pent...ewitnesses.html

They contradict the first sites.

I am not saying I agree with this? anyone can get eyewitness accounts, in fact do we know if the black box was recovered from the site?

[On the ground at the Pentagon on Sept. 11
28 September 2001
By Debra Rosenberg

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‘IT WAS A WAR ZONE’

Carlton Burkhammer was at work at Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Station 14 when he heard about the World Trade Center crashes. Part of Fairfax County’s elite urban search and rescue team, Burkhammer prepared to suit up and head to New York City. One of the nation’s most experienced rescue teams, the squad had been deployed in disasters all over the world: Oklahoma City, embassy bombings, the Turkey earthquake.
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Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. “We wanted to find live victims,” says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. “Finding the black box gave us a little boost,” he says.

Black Boxes Located in Pentagon Rubble
Friday, September 14, 2001; 9:21 AM
By Leef Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer

Both the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon on Tuesday were recovered early this morning, Arlington assistant county manager Dick Bridges said today.

Members of the FBI Evidence Response Team found both black boxes – data and voice recorders – at 3:40 a.m. today. "It's a step forward in the investigation ... it's a step forward for America," Bridges said.

He described the data box as "charred" and the voice recorder as "bad." He said the boxes were found where investigators had expected they would be but wasn't more specific.

"It wasn't any real secret where we were expected to find the boxes. It was just a matter of getting to them," he said.

He said earlier reports that there had been a signal from one of the Pentagon boxes were false.

"This is a step forward, as opposed to stasis," Bridges said. "It's a significant development, and we're moving ahead."

On the workers who found the boxes said he was pleased to have found the data recorder, "but by the same token, I'd much rather find someone alive."

Good find but what about any plane reckage or indeed any sign of any plane reckage in all the videos or photos and how did the plane manage to hit the target without being caught on any videos?

I will try to find a site I read thsi amore evidence to support this theory?

This whole theory is B.S. as far as I'm concerned, so we are supposed to believe that the 3 planes that actually went missing are still out there somewhere?

And how do they explain the 4th plane that crashed?

i not saying either way but here are some questions:


what if it was a missle?

where did the missle come from?

where is the rest of the plane?

was there a plane?

why isn't there any footage of the plane before it hit?

maybe the whole thing was done by our government to bring us together as a country, to make us stronger??????.....


ask yourself these things

look at it from all views.......

Lila, here are my thoughts about this. Imagine the U.S. of A, the superpower in the world with all its armaments, advanced military technology and superior defense capability, not being able to protect itself with a measly missile attack on this home ground not to mention attack on The Pentagon. What would be the impact on hostile countries or terrorists...."they are not impregnable after all".

I don't see where anyone mentioned the 3 planes in this topic? all that is being discussed is the pentagon plane?

Ahhh.....we will not admit to being vulnerable, clueless and weak?? Well, maybe not weak, but not as indestructable as we want everyone else to think.

Here is an intersting link: http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pen.../erreurs_en.htm

people, ya know where the plane is? It burned up,planes are made out of light weight materials, plus the plane was LOADED with fuel so the jet fuel upon impact engulfed the plane burning most of it. My dad knows Eye witnesses, they saw a Airliner flying at illegal alltitude and saw it heading straight for the pentagon.

plus there is no reason for the government to have fired a missle at the pentagon, therefore case is closed. it was a plane

Planes crash all the time and don't burn up, try answering some of the other questions on this post rather than assume a plane burns up on impact.

I can't quite believe anyone is trying to say it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon.

The lack of wreckage is fairly easy to explain. A plane that explodes or crashes in the open will obviously leave debris for miles around but this plane did not explode in the open......it exploded within walls which are designed to contain a nuclear blast. I believe that this plane has only fairly recently left the airport and as such would also be carrying full tanks of fuel. A 747 fully laden with fuel makes for a pretty good sized bomb, couple that with an enclosed explosion and the heat would incinerate practically everything immediately.

What if it wasn't from the government? I mean the missile, if it were a missile. And do you mean the plane exploded and all its parts disintegrated in thin air.

I am not saying I agree with the theory and i agree that Boeing 757-200 would be a potential bomb but there woiuld be traces or evidence of some wreckage

Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200, weighing nearly 100 tons and travelling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour only damaged the outside of the Pentagon?

Can you explain how a Boeing 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long, with a wingspan of 41.6 yards and a cockpit 3.8 yards high, could crash into just the ground floor of this building?

Can you explain what happened to the wings of the aircraft and why they caused no damage?

Can you explain why the County Fire Chief could not tell reporters where the aircraft was?

There are a lot of questions that back up the theory it waqs also if I am not wrong about an hour after the first 2 planes hit the towers why the Pentagon was left unprotected? Why the plane that was detected by radar was allowed to hit the pentagon?

dude,great video dont know what to make of it!!! cant believe the gov would blow up its own buildings ,but where are the wings/wreckage


goverment does what ever they want regardless of who b*****s so why would they do this,


no way/way?no way?

Try HERE, I think it pretty much covers everything.

Here are a couple of pictures one showing no damage to the ground where the plane was reported to have hit first and one showing the scale of the plane in comparison to the the damage at impact point and the wings have caused no damage... the trouble with these silly topics is they go on and on with evidence to support both theories... Damn the grassy Knoll is still being discussed on this forum.

I don't think the argument saying the plane hit the ground first is the reason why it only affected the first floor, the sheer height of the plane and far exceed the first floor so it would have have had to made a massive trench and dug itself in well below ground level?

It's all part of a larger theory that I came across about a week ago, saying that the planes that hit the twin towers and the pentagon were not the ones reported by the authorities. That they were either a different type of plane or a missile and somehow guided in by a mysterious small silver jet. (I couldn't quite follow the logic exactly) There's another thread somewhere that covers the other part of this theory.

Here it is: 911 theory

If it's not all part of the same theory then why does this small silver/white plane keep popping up?

I'm trying to work out the logic (wrong word, i know) here? The theory is that no hijacked plane hit the Pentagon, it was deliberately blown up to provoke a war with ... whoever ... , right? But we know that planes hit the Twin Towers, we all saw them, or at least the second one, right? Surely everyone must admit that they were real? Please don't try to tell me they were UAVs, or missiles, or whatever. i know what a 767 looks like, and that was a 767 that hit that second tower.

And it's surely proven fact that four planes tok off from JFK and Boston, and never reached their destination? So are we saying that they weren't the ones that hit the WTC, or they were, but they weren't hijacked by terrorists, they were hijacked by CIA or whoever? And if they weren't, what happened to them? Were they flown to Area 51?

i'm not trying to povoke an argument, i'm just confused ...

they found enough human remains there to identify the bodies did'nt they?what really hit the pentagon was a ufo disguised as lucky lindberg's spirit of st louis.
it's a well known fact it's missing from the smithsonian space hanger in dc.then
again,somebody may have fired up one of the old nasa lunar landers.

The only and I mean only explanation for this damage path would be if the plane hit at an angle, that would decrease the damage profile. That would amke sense.

One very good question, which i think michael moore among others brought up, was whether someone who'd just had a few hours on a Cessna at some crappy little flying school in Florida would have the skill to point a 757 or 767 at a target like the Twin Towers; we saw how sharply that plane made its last turn. And regarding the Pentagon; if it was a hijacked AA 757 that hit it, it must have taken some flying skill to dive, turn and make sure that it hit a building that was only five stories high and not pile into the ground short or overshoot.

So where did they learn those skills? ...

It was my understanding that they used Microsoft's Flight Simulator.


Remember they didn't have to know how to take off or land, just how to navigate and point the plane in correct direction.

You know where they learned those skills so don't be coy. like everything that has caused the US to go to war it was a fabrication of their own making. Whatever really happened these guys did not get their training domestically, the brief lessons that are talked about are probably a red herring. And I agree with 747400 it takes major skill to pilot one of these planes maually, no quicky course can teach you this. You have to have a god understanding of how a plane that big will react to violent course changes at speed, its no easy thing. I have a friend who has flown the same type of plane that crashed into the towers, and thats what he tells me.

You know what would be kind of funny? If when the governemtn found out about the two towers, that they intended to launch a missle and accidently hit the pentagon.

Was anyone injured during the pentagon? I haven't heard too much on it.

If a plane full of fuel was enough to bring down the twin towers, how did a full plane not bring down the much smaller pentagon and why was the fire not much more intense than it was?

and why where the holes so small in the walls of the pentagon?

I've watched that video more then a couple times since it came out and it amazes me everytime.

it does'nt take as much skill to crash a plane as it does to land it does it?

I stand by my opinion, nothing hit that pentagon but a missle, or maybe a bomb with wings.

that means then it could have been a jet airplane loaded down with fuel then aye?
it may be big,be a jet airplane could be used as a missle could'nt it?

You know, it amazes me every time I hear this story.

* No-one disputes that 4 planes were scheduled for takeoff from their respective airports, took-off, and never reached their scheduled destinations.

* No-one disputes that 2 planes hit the twin towers and a third went down in a field.

* So why do some dispute that the 4th plane(actually 3rd in sequence I think) hit the Pentagon? Because of the damage dynamics? So what!!! The Pentagons outer walls are not like a commercial buildings' walls.

* The hole that bore into several layers of the Pentagon is MUCH larger in diameter than any horozontal-trajectory missle I know of and certainly consistent with an airplane fusilage.

* Anyone hear know physics? If you do, than you know that when an airplane strikes head-on with a hardened target, the kinetic energy of the wings are transfered to the nose of the fusilage at impact. Thus the wings kinetic energy on impacting the sides of the hardened building is much, much, much less reduced.

* The wings on impact with the side walls of the hardened building lost likely upwards of 70% of their kinetic energy due to transfer to the nose.

* The wings, being laden with fuel, exploded in 2 massive fireballs which likely disintegrated the aluminum wing shell and rib structure.

* The massive forward displacement shock within the wings during nose impact could easily have ignited the fuel in the wings before the wings even touched the building sides !!

everyone knows physics were created by the neocons so when this happened, we'd all be fooled

From the Snopes site...

Oh, yes - MUST have happened!! - the official report states the plane approach angle is 42 degrees! So the right wing breaks off first and tucks into the fuselage, then the left wing breaks off and tucks into the left side of the fuselage!! With each wing carrying a massive engine - 125 feet width of airplane all tucks into a neat little 18 to 25 foot hole!! If you buy that one, let me know - I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you!!



Have a look at this business jet that hit a warehouse after skidding off a runway in New Jersey on Feburary 2, 2005. See that the wing has folded back, however that strong cinder block construction still got knocked out by the one wing that hit the building. Interesting that the same was not shown on the Pentagon. Just note that wings damage walls, but not Pentagon walls, right? Also the plane is intact - it didn't go 'poof'! Hmmm...

Three sites with extensive analysis of the Pentagon strike debunk the official story..
Pentagon
Pentagon Analysis
Pentagon Report Decimated

YEP THATS THE VIDEO IM TALKING ABOUT!!!! FINALLY ITS SOOO NUTZ

i have a question, we have all this footage of the plane crashes in New York and the Pentagon right?

but thats not the question, the question is, who the hell is vidio taping that early in the day. what compells a person to vidio tape for the hell of it, and some how catches the first plane crash

one of the video tapes was from a reporter who was doing a story with the ny skyline behind him, and they noticed a plan flying dangerously low so they switched the cameras onto the plane

really it was'nt just the plane crash into both of the towers that caused them to
collapse,it was the fire and the resulting collapse of the floors pancaking into one another which caused it.as for why anybody is taping that early,why would'nt they be at nearly 8am,especially in the city that never sleeps?i have never been ti nyc,but from what i've seen,there is always something going on.the pentagon did'nt suffer as much damage because it's built and designed that way.i doubt if
3 or 4 plane crashes into different sides of it would destroy it,disable sure,destroy
extremely doubtful.

i'd imagine that the pentagon flight was going a fair bit faster than a plane that skidded off a run way:)

i also think a wall of cinder blocks are a little different to the reinforced concrete structure of the pentagon

etc etc

I'm surprised people are surprised that their governments are lying to them. I believe in ten years, people are going to forget about questioning "facts" at all. They all just willingly swallow it all down.

Our governments tell us all lies everyday. I just don't buy the Pentagon/ missle theory.

i dont buy the missle theory either--but if you think it was a 757 your just as wrong as the missle theory--the simple fact that it was hit at all is the conspiracy--the pentagon is 4 miles from a military base and was struck 48 minutes "after" the second plane hit the wtc complex--this was not accidental as they have "the" most sophisticated equipment available and can distinguish between a pigeon and a duck and would not need a transponder to locate the craft--imo even a missle could not penetrate the pentagon airspace without being sam'ed at least-- each motor on the 757/767's have a 9ft radius and weigh 10,000lbs again the confetti hoax doesnt hold water--there are crystal clear images of the towers when they begin to collapse and obvious "balls of fire" erupt from the tower causing the collapse --heres a still of the moment is question

there is much more photographic evidence that is ignored like the emperors new clothes--