what happenend to it? what are theories on it disapperance! who got it? any info?

I don't really have any idea of what you are talking about. However, any sentence with the words 'death ray' in them automatically gain my interest.

tesla links:

http://tlc.discovery.com/convergence/inven...bio/bio_05.html

http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/Museum/tesla.html

http://www.teslaplatten.ch/tp_biografie_papers_e.htm

http://www.viewzone.com/tesla.html

on in search of.... coming up in few mins their going to tell about Nicola Tesla Death ray! just wonder if anyone heard of the thing their going to tell about in 10 mins! i think!

here's a good link
the "ray" never got built, or did it?
well not by anyone who's telling.
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/

thanks some of these links are helping


so some of his missing papers fell in to russia hands! russia made or was working version of his death ray!

I thought that the US Military kept Tesla in a NY hotel room until his death and then raided that room and carried off all his papers. Any way that's the story I read in a very old 1950(?) book. He wan't exactly a prisoner, just living under the threat of becoming one if he made any unapproved moves.

PS: Somewhere in my Current News surfing, I read that Russia announced that they have developed the ultimate weapon and were not worried about the US. Could it be Tesla's death ray???

STAR WARS DEATH RAY??? It Got Blown up i belive hehe..

It is known that as soon as he died all his paperworks had been confiscated by the secret agency. Normally these documents have been declassified since only 2 Or 3 years I even visited the website of gov and saw them not sure they are still there and you can guess that what they render public is surely not the secret part

true laura good point rather theory perhaps.. =)

Yes, the first test of the ray resulted in a backfire. Therefore, the ray vaporized itself, and Tesla didn't feel like making another one.

One death ray may be in
William Lyne's "Occult Ether Physics.."

page 26

Aluminum (aluminum reflects as in your rotating disk in the watt-hour house meter)
hemispheres with flat surface inline with ring energized by high voltage at
high frequency.

Beam away. Get a resonant frequency and mountains fall. And a good
sized backfire!

I now figure that just as the so called work function in vacume tube cathodes is the
heat required to boil off free electrons and the tunneling in transistors is at work
in hv-hf effects that Tesla found and is now confiscated knowledge.

No school or company will fund hv-hf work, and not many people want to
work on it, lol.

Didnt Tesla come up with a way for Unlimited Energy as well?

There were very efficient generators, eventual contamination might cause replenishment
of oil(?) or a working fluid (liquid air).

See his two books.

Example : a large wire wound like transformer with air gap, aluminum rod (a reflector)
is driven back and forth by small motor.
Its on page 284 of William Lyne's "Pentagon Aliens" , so what I figure it got to be
over 100% since you generate more energy than the small motor requires.

Not considered is the wearout or energy to set it up.

There are a bunch of interesting Tesla ideas or mechanisms on the web and ebay.

A map shows the route Tesla traveled in his Peirce Arrow, and claims he levitated
out his hotel room in an iron stove. All using electron forces somehow.

Tesla was working primarily on coils and electromagnetism. His experiments also included wireless electricity and long distance energy transfer. This is where the rumours for the "death ray" actually started to take form as they appear today. Tesla was implicated on a number of "black" projects, lacking the official funding for his work (due to scientific scrutiny) and thus much of what he accomplished will not be known.

In terms of the "free energy" project Tesla has proposed the use of the Earth's rotation to harvest energy since its a rather inexhaustible source (until we get blown off).
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The USA army is in line to start the research again on chemical lasers and other particle projectors as weapons. Death rays alright....

Ok, ty. Now I understand what the Japanese fixation of spinning eggs is all about. It is part of the research for alternative energy.

Tesla in my book is one smart dude, when I read about Tesla's Tower I thought what a brilliant idea, but his backing was lost due to a fight with Morgan (financial backer) over where to put the meter box, so the project was abandoned. Tesla never intended to build a deathray he wanted free energy for all mankind and without the need for wires all across the country, just receivers. Do you believe that we could have had mobile phones in the 1920's, Tesla did, because his tower was not just a power station but also a communications tower. It is amazing how practical the uses of resenting frequencies and electromagnets can do. We could have eliminated the use of most petroleum products by having a car that uses Electromagnetic Induction (EMI) sort of like a dodgem car at the show without the need to be in contact with the wires. Wow you would just have to imagine how the world would be if Tesla was allowed to finish his project.

And therein was Tesla's problem in coming up against big business; think about it even in today's terms - free energy would be a disaster for the global economy, at both business/coporation and goverment level. Not saying its right, just an observation on how/why various promised forms of free energy never come to fruition.

That is modern thinking, but the economy was not totally established back then, till later, if Tesla's dreams came to fruitation it would not have had any effect on the global economies. It was the corporations that stopped it, because they wanted to control society by making them dependent. You can not control people unless you have something they want, and that is why Tesla was put in the back room. It is sad that our governments think that they are trying to protecting the people by classifying information from the people, because they are afraid of loosing control.

Well, a whole bunch of Tesla fans!
Years ago, I did a study of Tesla's turbine (which the Powers-That-Be) claimed wouldn't work. I sold the paper more or less worldwide, as an introduction to a different technology. Didn't make much on it, but the point was not the dollars, it was to open people's eyes. Since then, three of the people who bought the paper have disappeared, and were doing research on an air powered car, no-coolant regrigeration (as in an auto air conditioner), and the vortex effects of the turbine. There is no doubt that much of Tesla's stuff is hidden.
As to the death ray, there is conjecture (by an ex-Naval Intelligence physicist) that the weapon was actually built using the two towers in New York and Colorado Springs. The conjecture is that Tesla made an announcement that it would be powered on the same day as the Tunguska, Siberia explosion occurred, and that Tesla made an error in his calculations and actually caused the cold nuclear blast that levelled a large area in Tunguska. This is conjecture.
That same physicist claims to have worked on the use of scalar electromagnetics that were used in Tesla's thing. No support is public on this, however, there are methods known to produce scalar magnetics (the Caduceus coil), but all information on this is followed or preceded by the admonition to do the experiments at your own risk. Scalar waves have no means of measurement, that I know of.
Tesla's developments include some remarkable inductor systems, and a good many discoveries that have not found usage today, unfortunately. The likelyhood is that the comments in this thread are more or less correct, in that the discoveries would cost the economic entities a bunch of money.

Unless the device was aimed at an object diving towards the earth at a rather good clip, this is not the case. The Tunguska blast left behind a distinctive "butterfly" pattern, which is characteristic of an explosion occuring on an object which is moving at an angle towards the earth. It could not be produced unless the explosion occured both in midair and at high velocity. Besides which, reports of radiation at the blast site have long been disputed and appear to be false. The explosion was almost certainly a comet or meteor exploding in the atmosphere.

-Pilgrim

And I used to think I was crazy!!!!!!!!!
First, Tesla was a visionary.
He was also a scam artist and a drunk.
There have been some very good alcoholic scientists, and Tesla was one of them.
But, his ideas tended to be screwy-he was a spotty sort of genius.
The Tesla Coil, broadcast energy technology was actually put into action in one small town.
People complained that when they touched anything grounded, they got a small shock, and that the discharge from the coil(those lamps with the lightning coming out into a globe are Tesla Coils) was frying all the songbirds.
The death ray was one of the wily Montenegrin's schemes to raise some cash-he hoodwinked the Navy into bankrolling a project for which he made big claims.
Tesla knew he was dying, so he spun out the con until he kicked.
After he died, you bet this papers were seized, some very thick necks were on the block, and if the fact that the visionary/crackpot had stung Uncle Whiskers with this crock of doo-doo had become known, well, it would have been very bad for people's careers.
Next, I hate to be a deek, but does anybody remember the Spellcheck? Or punctuation?
Many of these posts are impenetrable!
Be nice, take a second to look over what you wrote, check you spelling and grammar, then separate it into sentences and paragraphs-it makes it easier to read, ok?

All manner of patterns can come from explosives. Among those is a directed blast. Directed blasts tend to leave dramatic evidence of the direction (such as blowing through armor plate). An object exploding at high velocity manufactures a directed blast. Evidence of such an object does not exist at Tunguska, since no crater seems to have occurred. The conjecture is that the explosion took place about a mile high: 5000 feet is nothing to an object travelling several thousand miles an hour, and if it were an object there should be a fairly decent sized crater below the explosion. However, the ground objects indicate more of a stationary high brisance explosion. Directionality and propagation of such an explosion are dependent on a number of factors, very few of which are known, such as wind direction and velocity and so forth. If this were caused by the intersection of scalar waves, as indicated by Bearden, then the angular velocity of the earth and the effects of the magnetic field would also have an effect. However, if the cold nuclear blast occurred as indicated, it would provide the basis for the effects on the ground. Since little is generally known about such an explosion in terms of radioactivity, no conclusions can be drawn from this aspect. Cold nuclear explosions may well emit little or no radiation, since the explosion is caused by the elimination of binding fields, releasing tremendous amounts of atomic energy NOT accompanied by the radiation associated with fission or fusion devices.
As stated, there is conjecture that Tesla screwed up and caused the explosion. That conjecture still stands; there is very little evidence to indicate otherwise.

Seems this information is taken directly from the "scientists" of that era, most of whom were envious of Tesla. There was also a fair amount of irritation due to his lack of respect (although in his presentations to scientific organizations he was quite polite and respectful) for the current crop of scientists. In my readings of Tesla, both by him and other people of the time, there is no indication of alcoholism.
The period near his death had none of his projects under way. It seems that Tesla's creative period ended prior to 1925, and everything post that was nothing more than talk. This leads to speculation by some that it was not Tesla after that period, but a lookalike who was paid to take his place. If you do some research on this, you will see some rather interesting occurrances around that time. And the other question remains about why the most prolific inventor in the history of the US suddenly stopped inventing.
There are many questions surrounding this man's life, and few answers are available. Mostly the writings about Tesla are supposition. What is fact is that he was brilliant, original, and invented outside his trained field many things which have changed the world, and will continue to change the world.

While it may be possible, it is not likely. There are too many unknowns in the hypothesis, begining with the existance of the device in the first place and working up to the possible lingering effects of radiation (or lack thereof). Almost every element must be qualified by the word if.

Meanwhile, it has been shown that a comet exploding at high altitude would produce an identical blast pattern. Comets are mostly composed of ice and would leave behind very little in terms of solid matter; besides which, even if it was a rocky meteor, the swampy area of Tunguska could easily swallow any fragments that did exist. Thus the absense of a crater is not unusual; and since the object never struck the earth intact it would have left at best many small craters as opposed to a single large one in any event. There is no evidence, aside from the afforementioned and highly dubious reports of radiation, that Tunguska was anything other than a comet or similar object. Thus, Occam's razor should be applied, and we must assume that the event was a comet or meteor, as opposed to a hypothetical death ray.

-Pilgrim

Very nice, Pilgrim. However....
There is no question of the existence of scalar waves. Biggest problem is that we have no means of making measurements. They are produce by Caduceus coils, in which a pulse of current is applied to the two coils at the same instant. What we do know is that the mag fields that should be produced are not in evidence, yet there may be many watts of power applied. Energy does not just disappear, it goes somewhere. In this case, it appears, by experimentation, that a single longitudinal (scalar) wave or thread is produced; that thread can be detected, and has been shown to have the ability to penetrate a Faraday cage, which ordinary magnetics will not accomplish. Bearden's claim is that if two of these scalars cross, the place they cross is disrupted and energy is released. I have found nothing to dispute this. In Tesla's research, he has mentioned, several times, in his presentations, the existence of these as carriers: he undoubtedly knew of their existence.
Other of Tesla's inventions include inductors far more capable of storage than our current ones due to the unique methods of winding said inductors. These things, when properly charged in high frequency situations, could easily have been used to power such devices as the Caduceus. Assuming Bearden is correct (and I have no intention of trying it), then Tesla indeed had a "defensive device", or at least the technology to build it.

As to the comet, yes, they are generally ice; however, I have grave doubts as to the veracity of someone "showing" what they will do outside of theory. And theories are nothing but theories. On the other hand, there is a tremendous amount of evidence of the effects of meteors, and moreover, they are much more plentiful than comets. There is the asteroid belt, you know. Plus whatever other space debris exists within and without the solar system. The likelyhood of a comet impact is far less than the probability of a meteor strike, and meteors generally leave dramatic evidence of their existence.

I am not about to argue whether these waves exist or not; it is beyond my expertise to do so, and I leave that to others. What I am saying is that there are too many assumptions in this hypothesis. If the device was built. If it worked as Tesla intended. If the collision of two scalars can produce a cold nuclear blast. If a cold nuclear blast doesn't leave radiation. None of this is proven. We know, on the other hand, that comets and meteors exist, and that some strike the earth. The comet/meteor model requires very few assumptions. So, again, Occam's razor must be applied; we should not multiply variables needlessly.

Furthermore, the blast pattern could not have been produced at ground level due to the presence of a grove of standing trees, completely denuded, at the center of the blast. The comet model suggests that, since they were directly beneath the blast, they were not knocked over - the blast wave came at them more or less vertically, and trees can withstand a great deal of vertical force (though their branches cannot, and were stripped). A ground-level blast would have applied force outward, not vertically, and would have knocked those trees over like all the others.

Yet further, eyewitness accounts speak of a fireball in the sky immediately prior to the blast. While testimonials are not evidence in and of themselves, this would be in keeping with the comet/meteor theory, and lends credence to it.



Granted, the comet model is conjecture. There is no evidence of a comet having ever struck the earth and there are some doubts that a comet would have sufficient cohesion to penetrate that deeply into the atmosphere. However, if you will look closely, I did also address the possibility that the object was a meteor. Scientists are not certain which exactly the object was, but they are almost certain that it was one or the other. As I have explained, the lack of a crater is not surprising as the object did not strike the earth. It exploded at great altitude. Indeed, stony debris could have rained down over an area dozens, even hundreds of miles across. Given the terrain, it is unlikely that any such debris would ever be found.

As to the subject of theories of comet strikes, these were modeled fairly conclusively by Russian scientists in the 1950's. An experiment using a matchstick forest showed quite clearly that an object traveling at high speed could produce the exact blast pattern at Tunguska. It is even possible to plot the speed, altitude, and trajectory of the object based on the shape of the blast.

As for theories in general, it is true that a theory is not a proven fact. However, it is far from mere conjecture and hypothesis. In science a theory is something which has been tested, proven, and verified, many times over. It is not something which is developed lightly and should not lightly be dismissed. To say that something is "just a theory" grossly underestimates the amount of research behind it.

-Pilgrim

Tesla's theory of energy tapped from the rotation of the planet resurfaced in the '70's as Gyromass, loudly trumpeted by a backwoods preacher from the ringworm and pellagra set.
I wish it worked, but it doesn't.
"Free" energy is impossible, infrastructure, transmission and utilization still will require investment by someone, maintenance of some sort and devices to use the power will also require that somebody gets paid.
The 'bumper car' idea has its charms, though, combined with GPS and microprocessors, well, get in, dial some numbers and off you go, time for a nap!
I can't remember where I got the idea that Tesla drank, but the pattern of his life is very much an alcoholic model, bright promise at first, a burst of creativity and success, then a downward plunge into obscurity and squalor.
Burnout?

My opinion is that the death ray never was built. I think Tesla was desperate to get back in the game and relive the glory days and he either didn't succeed or was counter funding something else. If such a weapon had been built successfully it would be in use now.

Tesla had a habit of energizing himself by running current through his body, said it envigerated him. Maybe in the end that was the cause of his decline, too many shock treatments.

Still gotta hand it to him, he was a brilliant fellow, just odd as such folk tend to be.

Hmmm, as far as my knowlege goes, I know that they appeared in Red Alert: Command and Conquer, apart from that, I have nothing of any value to add to this (not like this was either).

Tesla just got old.
Theory is a game for the young, remember, Einstein's best work was done well before he was 40.
He once lamented that he was now just an old fellow best known for not wearing socks.
Tesla was holed up in his hotel room, probably desperate because the ideas just wouldn't come any more, and the money was running short.
If there was a death ray, we'd have used it in WWII.
Tesla was a genius and a crackpot at the same time, unusual, but admirable, too.
And for those who tearfully read of the death of Topsy the elephant, the story is more complex.
Elephants were part of the Coney Island scene, it seems they were allowed to wander about, caging snacks(sounds crazy to me, too).
Topsy had killed several people-one gave her a lit cigarette when she expected a treat-and was showing signs of turning into a pachyderm version of Hannibal Lecter.
Elephants will do this-theres an elephant jail in the midwest where these menaces are confined.
Topsy was not so lucky-she was ordered destroyed.
Hence, the electric elephant.
History is indeed a strange thing!

You could be working on a black project and not know it.
Accoring to recent books, Sperry Gyroscopy and Tesla operated a remote controled
vehicle.

Also Hyrdogen and Helium recombine to diatomic state with more energy than the
separation energy and two patents exist that are engines for this recycling mode.
If this is true, would not this be truly a black project.

The spark gap generates an Electric Field that perhaps does not disappear but
remains as it does for broadcast or cable transmission.
At 50,000 volts and high frequency things are really jumping.

The speculation goes on when classical electrodynamincs are considered.

If you have any knowledge along these lines would be great, just don't give
away too many secrets.

Yes going back 100 years has removed Einstein from the picture so give it up
for Tesla.

[Sadly, Tesla, like most theoreticians was burned out at 40.
Einstein produced no great work after that age, the ability seems to go away.
He was a great scientist, and never got his due, but if he had a death ray, it would be in use by now.
Inventions come from the times, with great minds realizing how to make the connections.
The spook-science fringe has latched on to Teala as an icon, but, sorry, he did his great work, then faked his way from there, hoping for another big idea.
TANSTAAFL, compadre, no free energy, no death ray.
But we should remember his greatness.

This might be a very cool video to watch. it's a bit dry at times but worth the watch.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=22...6558974&q=tesla

I think it was just a cool light bulb and he named it that so people would buy it for a lot more. (Then it was obducted by aliens of course)

So 1925 to his death in 1943 nothing new was generated.

He knew more than he needed before 1900 and his flat coil patent
is still in use and given references.

This might be the third Tesla thread I posted to on this forum.
Another forum wanted to build a Tesla Turbine.

Who and where was his technology being developed in those years
appear to be a secret.

If all we have left is the fluorescent lamp to wonder about the brain trust
of science has been dumbed out with oil company grants to an irrevocable
state.

Work on what we pay you to work on, an insipid system.
The oil economy won't be replaced by zero point energy at that rate.

Helium powers the Sun, yet in a spark chamber in front of a Tesla Turbine
can't even power coils for aether suspension or mobility of the metal
sphere.

Did people not try or do they not tell.

It didn't disappear, because it never got built. The plans for it are in a museum in Belgrade. Having been designed in the 1930s, and reliant as it was on particle physics, there was probably a lot about his design that didn't work. Particle physics has come a very very long way since then y'know.

I don't think its particle physics or ion jets; I think its the current force against
the magnetic field and not a magnetic coil pushing the mear mass of an ion
that will get you anywhere.

Forces of opposing current and magnetic field are known since before 1900.
Weather powerful currents are airborne determine if the wireless trolly car
can be achieved.


The original Tesla flat coil patent at free web site
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US00512340__
This is referenced, so go here next:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US06271614__
The LORAL satellite company thrustor:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn10=US06029438

The plasma thruster, you mean lightning from a spark, is power to drive or
is it current forced against a magnetic field.

You decide, make it big and will it fly, or was it big for many years
and now we see the mini versions.

While looking on the internet I stumbled across this:

http://www.gyroscope.com/d.asp?product=TESLATURBINE

Hope this was of use.

It's sitting on a shelf in a government warehouse, in between the schematics for the electric car and parts of the wreckage from the Roswell UFO crash...

I heard or read somewhere that the equipment was confiscated for unpaid debts. I think some of the items were auctioned while others were "taken".

Hello. This is my first post and I want to say up front, I am avidly anti-conspiracy theory and take a rather moderate view of things.

I was just curious whether anyone here (or if you know anyone) can give an explanation to this video.

Supposed Tesla Scalar Weapon

It is amazing how much crap you find when trying to find information about real technology and not just dreams of conspiracies concocted from half-achieved theories. If anyone has any links to credible information about such a weapon (or a weapon that would produce the effect seen in the video), I would be greatly appreciative.

Robert

Moved to appropriate section of forum.

Do a search on Tom Bearden. It is certain you'll come up with some websites explaining his theories on scalar electromagnetics.
Keep this in mind: there are many people who simply dismiss Bearden as a nut case, and claim (rather hysterically, I think) he's been "proven" to be a charlatan. This is NOT the case. Numerous researches into some of Bearden's stuff have proved out, such as the MEG. While some people around make the standard claim of "you can't get something for nothing" and dismiss the MEG, the facts are that we know little about the science of magnetics (and I say this having been associated with that field for some time), and the MEG utilizes the "backlash" from pulsed transformers, of which we know the effects but not so much the cause.
One of the researches I've seen about scalar magnetics had a penetration of a Faraday shield (well known to inhibit penetration of all types of electro and magnetic fields, and so used to isolate rf electronics for testing), no mean feat. The physicist (a maverick, I might add) had instrumented within the Faraday room and did, in fact, record penetration of the scalar thread into the shielded room. However, his caution was "play with this at your own risk, because little is known about the effects of scalar waves". If I remember correctly, the crossing of two scalar threads causes havoc, but you'll need to check me up on that.
Scalar waves can be produced by Caduceus wound coils, with the opposing windings pulsed at the same time. Look at it this way: any current passing through a conductor causes a magnetic field around the conductor; that field is concentrated by insertion of a core, if the conductor is wound as a coil. The generated field is easily detected with standard electronics test gear. However, even when pulsed with high amperage currents, a correctly wound Caduceus coil does not exhibit the normal magnetic fields. The reason for this is that the two windings produce opposing polarities in the fields, which cancels out. However, that is a simplistic statement, because of the law of conservation of energy. The fields produced, while cancelling, CANNOT destroy each other, meaning that SOMETHING happens to each field to make it undetectable: that is scalar magnetics. The field produced appears to be a single magnetic line of dual polarity (presumably impossible) that cannot be detected by normal gear.
Bearden claims that the military has done much research into the scalar functions, which he supports by citing his Navy career.
I claim that so little is actually known, it is better to do your own research, keeping close watch on the caveats of those who play in an area of physics that is indeterminate, at this point and as far as we underlings know.
JLN Labs, I believe, has a section on scalar magnetics, and Naudin seems to be a good source for some things, if not all. I might caution those who would relegate JLN to the gutters that I have in fact built some of his (or his contributors) devices and have yet to fail in verification of his experiments.

Airman injured in heat-beam test

By Kris Osborn - Staff writer
Posted : Saturday Apr 7, 2007 9:57:49 EDT
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There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity. Sometimes, people weave between the two.

I taught my sons that great intellects of both good and evil find themselves attracted to each others company for the simple fact that they are few in number who can understand and relate in the same depth of comprehension the events of the day.

Aha!! There IS intelligent life on planet earth!!!

Didnt Doctor Evil steal it and install it on the moon and demand One MIIIIIILLLIIIOOON dollars!!!!!!

I had found Mr. Bearden in searches previous to my posting here. I watched videos from him and read a couple articles/websites. I'm sorry, but whether the science he claims exists or whether he is a poor business man, I have no idea. Unfortunately, it is difficult for me to accept his scientific claims considering the "free energy" claim is older than dirt. Coupled with conspiracy theories, I'm simply not interested.

I admit, he seems more together than this guy though.



Links please. Please do not offer links to Bearden sites or to sites that claim success while crying "conspiracy, conspiracy".



Navy? I thought it was Army. Different Tom Bearden? [Interesting side note is that he claims a Ph.D. on one page and then his vitae says that he has completed the course work but has not turned in his thesis...er...dissertation. So he is ABD on his vitae. Heh...just like me! I'm ABD and was considering have my students call me Dr. Moody. Maybe I'll consider that.]

Sincerely, thank you for responding to my post. I'm simply looking for more evidence directly related to the video link I posted. For all I know the video could be from an explosion that happened just out of sight but strong enough to create that effect shown in the video. I do not know. The person who put the video up suggested scalar weapons and claimed the guy was killed. Again, I have no idea. looking at the video, it looks like the blast might have missed the guy (very directional blast and he appeared to be standing just outside the area of the blast).

I simply would like to know if anyone had any more evidence that the video is what the person claims it is: a video of a blast effect created from a scalar weapon based on Tesla's theories.

Thanks.

Robert