Has anyone heard of the 70 weeks prophecy?

Daniel 9:24-27, "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoit the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause sacrifice and hte oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate"

1) Whom does this prophecy refer? It refers to Israel: "Thy people" (9:24)
2) What is meant by the term 70 weeks? The Hebrew word refers to 70 sevens of years, or a total of 490 years.
3)When was the 70-week period to begin? It was to begin with the command to rebuild Jerusalem's walls (9:25) (Another prophecy that came true )
4) What are the distinct time periods mentioned within the 70-week prophecy and what was to happen during each period?
a) First period-7 weeks (49 years) from 445 BC to 396 BC. The key events during this time were the building of the streets and walls of Jerusalem "even in troublous times" (9:25)
Second period-62 weeks (434 years) from 396 BC to AD 30. At the end of this second period the Messiah was to be crucified.
The brilliant British scholar and bible student Sir Robert Anderson has reduced the first two periods into their exact number of days. This he has done by multiplying 483 (the combined years of the first two periods) by 360 (the days in a biblical year). The total number of days in the first 69 weeks (or 483 years) is 173,880. Anderson then points out that if one begins counting on March 14, 445 BC and goes forward in history, these days would run out on April 6, AD 32. It was on this very day that Jesus made his triumphal entry into the city of Jerusalem. Of course, it was on this same day that the pharasees plotted to murder Christ. Thus, Daniel, writing some five and a half centuries earlier, correctly predicted the very day of Christ's presentation and rejection.

why march 14?

did this fellow count backwards from the date he wanted things to co-incide with to get march 14?

we can always start with the answer we want, and then work towards a feasable path back to it.......

It's when the Jews started to rebuild the walls in Jerusalem. It's recorded history.

I believe in this was a true prophecy.

However, anyone can come up and say "they just went back and changed it to make it fit."

Because... you get out of prophacies what you put in them.

this topic is new to me, but here is what a quick search finds:


http://www.bibleinsight.com/70weeks.html


too many opinions on this one to weigh through right now... i will leave this to others for now.

the only true prophecy is the "self-fulfilling prophecy".

Really pretty accurate - of course, it was written in 200 BCE, several centuries after the prophecied events took place. Enoch and Daniel were penned by the same Maccabean writers (according to epigraphists) and around the same time frame.

Interesting hypothesis. But as with all apocryphal writings it can have other possible interpretations. The significance of numbers in these kinds of writings.... the number seven for example being the number for completion, thus it's multiples 7, 70, 70x7.... The number 70 can simply represent a large, but finite length of time.

There's just too much doubt surrounding apocryphal writings to make any sound judgment. But as I said, it's an interesting theory.

Until next time,

I commented on this nonsense elsewhere.

My thread

You prove nothing.

The stars in the sky don't prove our age.

Do you really think the universe was created just for the use of this little planet?
How vain.
I refuse to believe in a Creator with a small, ignorant mind.

This has nothing to do about me believing in a creator.

All I said was the stars in the sky don't show or prove how old the earth is.

The light that the stars has been shining could have shone for millions of years prior to the earth moving in their gaze. Therefore, the light from the stars would be constantly be shining down on to earth from the second it came in the suns orbit.

wrong.per genesis, it was all created around the same time.if the earth is 6000 years old, so is the cosmos.

The stars almost sound like a tacked on after thought.

Wrong. Like I said, the age of the earth cannot be found by the stars.

Besides only some people think the earth is 6000 years old. Not all. I for one do not. I do not think the days spoken of in Genesis were actual twenty-four hour days, and many others agree with this.

It is possible too that (if the earth was literally created in six 24 hour periods, which I don't necessarily believe) God created the universe fully formed. By association that includes the light from distant stars already shining brightly in our galaxy from the moment of creation.

Until next time,

Edit - information deleted which Amal already discussed.

the only problem with that is that we can observe stars in all stages of age.

Yes, but there are more than likely stars out there that we cannot see yet.

Sooo, one second there is nothing, absolute nil, and the next, presto, everything in its place with the light from distant stars already falling on the spot where the earth would be?


And, I suppose as an encore, god placed the bones of dinosaurs in the earth just to foul up the non believers too? That god, what a humorous fellow he is, always playing jokes on humanity.

I guess the entire universe, all the countless stars, planets and galaxies were just created to give us humans something pretty to look at in the night sky. Seeing that we are so special and all. It must be a real ego boost to 'know' that the entire fabric of reality was created just for us.

xianity is all about egotism. "haha i am saved and you are going to hell!'
give me a break!

Watch your words, because putting God aside, this is entirely possible with the big bang.

The part of the universe that the earth was in could have been 100% lightless, and eventually the earth came in contact with the light from the stars/our sun. Two things met, the light and the earth. "Let there be light" does this sound familiar?

Would you not consider a dinosaur as an animal? Does it not say that God created animals?

Sure, why not. I must admit, they are very pretty to look at.

Maybe God picked out the perfect spot for us to live? Maybe he made other people on other "earths" to live and spread the word. The possibilities are endless.

I do, however, see your point here. I have often asked myself the same question. But, the same question arises when you take God out of the equation. "Why are we here? Why are we so special as to being the only life forms (as we know it) in our solar system?"

"Why and how did we evolve from from microscopic organisms (that we are unsure how they appeared to begin with.)"

There are endless questions on both sides of the fence. Not just on the religious side.

Jokes aside, it certainly is possible, especially the part about the dinosaurs. I mean God created man fully grown, right? Oh, you forgot the earth's strata and geology too

Seriously, I pointed this out to say that it was a possibility, not a definite. If you read my post properly, you would have noticed the phrase "which I don't necessarily believe", implying of course that I do not necessarily believe this (funny enough)

With respect.



There are stars older that this star system so when the sun and earth was forming there would have still been star light to illuminate the proto-system.

Source

Source

Minimum for earth: 4.4 billion years
Minimum for the universe: 12.5 billion years

DOESN'T SAY FULL GROWN.
As I have pointed out elsewhere, "Yamim" doesn't necessarily mean "days", but "unit of time". The newly creaded "Adam" could have grown up, in the course of the "day".

Even if the earth is 1,000,000,000,000,000 years old, it doesn't mean that the bible is automatically false. Like I said above, many creationists think the world is 6,000 years old. I however do not think this. The word "day" used in the Hebrew text has other meanings other than a twenty-four hour day, and this is a fact.

did i say the tanach was false? i don't think so! I was just pointing out that there is no reason to accept the idea that adam was formed full-grown. it simply doesn't say so. what would make the most sense is that "adam" and "chava" (eve) were two tribes a long time ago, and they merged and became the most distant ancestors of the jews. it's called "eponomy", and it is a logical way of explaining a lot of these legends, that don't really make a lot of sense any other way. when "abram" leaves canaan, for example, it may be a way of explaining the migration of an entire tribe of people. after a while, the story takes on belief as literal truth, etc., even it was originally intended to teach a lesson.

Ok, I chose my words wrong. You are right. Adam may not have been fully grown. Perhaps I should have said, "according to the Bible, it is possible that God created Adam fully grown". Is that better.

If you also remember though, I said i don't necessarily agree with this interpretation. We admit that we don't know all the answers. All we have are theories. Just like all you have are theories. Will we ever know the complete truth? Probably not. So we have faith that it was God. You have faith that says otherwise.

once again, you put words into my mouth.
I have stated in numerous posts that I approach everything with logic. I make certain assumptions, such as the probable existence of the divine, but that's all they are. Faith is the nonsense that religious leaders shove down your throat to get you to cough up a few bucks. Later today, if I have time, I think it's time to start a logic thread.

With respect.



From Genesis 2:16-17 Adam had to have been at least grown enough to receive instructions from God.

KJV

15 or 20 years out of the 6th yom would be nothing godwise.