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Amalgamut
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 2 2005, 08:20 PM)

i think they moved stone blocks like they showed themselves doing in tomb paintings

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Can you show me a link to a tomb painting that would suggest this?
Mr Ed
I see that you have chosen to skim over my response atlantis.


'Any other theories, Sherlock?'

It seems to me that you are the one with the crazy theories.
DJ_Quinn
The designer of the pyramids was actually a Frenchman, Gustave Eiffel.
The Roswell Man
the man who made the eiffel tower? huh.gif
unless he went back in time
was invisible
no mention of him in hieroglyphics
i think not
damn the alien making ice circles sounds moreplausible to that yes.gif yes.gif w00t.gif w00t.gif grin2.gif alien.gif
Essan
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 3 2005, 05:01 AM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 2 2005, 08:20 PM)

i think they moved stone blocks like they showed themselves doing in tomb paintings

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Can you show me a link to a tomb painting that would suggest this?
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Not a stone block, but this mural of the Egyptians moving an even bigger, heaver, statue gives you an idea original.gif

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The Roswell Man
where in egypt is this mural in essan? huh.gif
Essan
I'm not sure! It appears in quite a few books about egypt thopugh - not those promoting levitation, aliens or atlantean super-powers though wink2.gif
Essan
I got the picture from here
Ancient World Wonders
QUOTE(Essan @ Jun 3 2005, 08:13 AM)
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 3 2005, 05:01 AM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 2 2005, 08:20 PM)

i think they moved stone blocks like they showed themselves doing in tomb paintings

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Can you show me a link to a tomb painting that would suggest this?
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Not a stone block, but this mural of the Egyptians moving an even bigger, heaver, statue gives you an idea original.gif

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Yes. Egyptains used this method to move the blocks to the pyramid; logs underneath the block, rotating the logs on its way to the pyramid. But how they got the block to the top of the pyramid is somewhat of a mystery. Sand around the pyramid is one theory. It would stand to reason that's how the AE's put up the megothic towers in the middle of temple complexs and then took away the sand to leave it self-standing. They've shown and even proven this idea on TV specials and have talked about it in books.
Mr Ed
There you go! That means you know must think they did not recieve any help? Especially considering they were one of the most advanced civilisations of their time.
Ancient World Wonders
Yes, Essan! This site is an excellent reference guide and in a way proves my point in using counterbalance weights and sand. I'm not saying I'm completely right, but Heiroglythics do show some usual dispicts of strange animals and drawings that can not be explained. The AE's had contact with other civilizations and may have had help in constructing monuments and other things.

AE-Pyramids. How they were built

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There you go! That means you know must think they did not recieve any help? Especially considering they were one of the most advanced civilisations of their time.


They were a highly advanced civilization, but some evidence points to assistance from another highly advanced civilization -- seafaring people. Atlantis perhaps? Just a theory.
The Roswell Man
eh, methinks Essan posted that link already AR. huh.gif
Ancient World Wonders
Yes I know, Roswell Man. I'm just emphasising the link as a great guide.
The Roswell Man

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They were a highly advanced civilization, but some evidence points to assistance from another highly advanced civilization -- seafaring people.  Atlantis perhaps?  Just a theory.
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any evidence u can back that up? huh.gif hmm.gif
Mr Ed
I think most evidence points to the fact that just the Egyptians built them.
marduk
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jun 3 2005, 02:35 PM)
I think most evidence points to the fact that just the Egyptians built them.
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ahahahahaha
hehehehehehe
ahaahahahahaa
now he's said the "a" word the "et" word won't be long in coming
hey a r just to refresh your memory i don't recall you saying anything about counterweights and sand
i remember you going on about ropes and pulleys
you flip flopping again
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DJ_Quinn
Here's how they moved the rocks: First, a "magic papyrus" (paper) was placed under the stone to be moved. Then the stone was struck with a metal rod that caused the stone to levitate and move along a path paved with stones and fenced on either side by metal poles. The stone would travel along the path,for a distance of about 50 meters and then settle to the ground. The process would then be repeated until the builders had the stone where they wanted it.

Mystery solved!


Mr Ed
Dont joke about these kinds of things quinn, atlantis rises might actually believe you.
The Roswell Man
add the aliens made it and lucid will be hooked laugh.gif
marduk
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jun 3 2005, 02:46 PM)
Dont joke about these kinds of things quinn, atlantis rises might actually believe you.
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He'd probably take it as 100% ironclad proof
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Mr Ed
laugh.gif Well you just have to look at the poll results to see how many people are dreamers on this site.
DJ_Quinn
All I'm lacking to prove this theory is a mural depicting the levitaions!
marduk
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ Jun 3 2005, 02:54 PM)
All I'm lacking to prove this theory is a mural depicting the levitaions!
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and any actual account of it taking place
and a usage for this technique cos we know they didn't use it
but apart from that
yeah its solid
well done
hehe
The Roswell Man
ah
we scared him off..... crying.gif crying.gif
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Mr Ed
I was researching your theory and stumbled across this!!!!

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It is a bit rough around the edges, but still intact!!!!
The Roswell Man
lucidelement will be thrilled..... grin2.gif laugh.gif w00t.gif
DJ_Quinn
That's brilliant Mr. Ed!

Good research!
marduk
QUOTE(DJ_Quinn @ Jun 3 2005, 03:01 PM)
That's brilliant Mr. Ed!

Good research!
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ah that old fake
its from whats known as "the sunday dinner" papyrus and you really need to look at the whole picture to understand the symbols on it
Mr Ed
laugh.gif Sorry for leading you on guys. It was wrong of me. Marduk has shown me up to be a hoaxer, again.
Ancient World Wonders
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jun 3 2005, 10:56 AM)
laugh.gif Sorry for leading you on guys. It was wrong of me. Marduk has shown me up to be a hoaxer, again.
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The Master & The Apprentice, apparently. w00t.gif
Dark_Lord
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This ostrich egg, now at the Aswan archeological museum, might be the first known depiction of the Ghizah pyramids. The egg was found in a tomb near the modern city of Aswan, in northern egyptian Nubia. If the three triangular features which might be seen on the upper shell (the picture is very bad quality, I know) actually are the pyramids of Ghizah, that would be the first proof towards a much older age of the pyramids, since the egg belong to nubian prehistoric period, approximately 8th millennium BC.
Mr Ed
Ah I see the Egpytians have caught up with the Extra-terrestrials on the poll. This merits a celebration...
Ancient World Wonders
Wow! I think I've heard about this but this is the first time actually seeing a picture of it, to my recollection. What is that other depiction beside the pyramids? It looks like a landmass or an ocean?
Dark_Lord
Well, I've seen today afternoon a documentary on italian tv. They showed a very clear picture of the egg, I made some research, the best I managed to find was this one. The unidentified shape under the "pyramids" has been interpreted as being the Nile river. The "gulf" which might be seen could be lake Meris (near El Fayum), which was once tied to the Nile, being the largest lake in Egypt, although it's now dried. Actually, it would match the pyramid's position, being on the western shore of the Nile. However, this is just an interpretation. More likely, it could be some the depiction of an ostrich, however the "pyramid" features are still unsexplained. As I said, the quality of the picture here is very poor, however you could clearly see they are made of square blocks, so it's very unlikely they could be natural features.
marduk
QUOTE(Dark_Lord @ Jun 4 2005, 08:05 PM)
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This ostrich egg, now at the Aswan archeological museum, might be the first known depiction of the Ghizah pyramids. The egg was found in a tomb near the modern city of Aswan, in northern egyptian Nubia. If the three triangular features which might be seen on the upper shell (the picture is very bad quality, I know) actually are the pyramids of Ghizah, that would be the first proof towards a much older age of the pyramids, since the egg belong to nubian prehistoric period, approximately 8th millennium BC.
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its funny how the tour egypt website you got that from says "Ostrich egg with engravings of animals, dating to Nubian prehistory. "
http://touregypt.net/nubianm55.htm
FYI nubian prehistory isn't 8000bce
Ostrich eggs were used as drinking vessels.
the pyramids in those days weren't as damaged as they are now. In appearence they looked seamless were cased with white limestone and had a black obsidian capstone. So not like the ones in the picture.
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Ancient World Wonders
You try drawing a perfect triangle on an oval egg, and see if you get it seemless. But if Nubian Prehistory was 8,000 BCE, then those can not be the great pyramids, if they are representative of other pyramids?
hand-of-doom
wow, this topic is incredible interesting. I want to read some more. To bad thier is no plans or drawings of the original ideas before it was constructed.
Ancient World Wonders
I'm sure there were, but none have survived.
aquatus1
The Nubians did have their own pyramids, although they were much steeper and smaller than the Egyptian ones. There are dozens of them scattered throughout, and several, being that they are built over the graves of the rulers, are within arm's reach (literally) of each other. Seeing three steep pyramids stacked so close would seem to be representing the Nubian pyramids more than the Egyptian ones.
marduk
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Jun 5 2005, 01:46 AM)
The Nubians did have their own pyramids, although they were much steeper and smaller than the Egyptian ones.  There are dozens of them scattered throughout, and several, being that they are built over the graves of the rulers, are within arm's reach (literally) of each other.  Seeing three steep pyramids stacked so close would seem to be representing the Nubian pyramids more than the Egyptian ones.
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like this
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or possibly like this
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gentlemen i think i found the 8000bce nubian pyramids but they only date from 800bce
hehe
Dark_Lord
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 4 2005, 08:00 PM)
QUOTE(Dark_Lord @ Jun 4 2005, 08:05 PM)
user posted image

This ostrich egg, now at the Aswan archeological museum, might be the first known depiction of the Ghizah pyramids. The egg was found in a tomb near the modern city of Aswan, in northern egyptian Nubia. If the three triangular features which might be seen on the upper shell (the picture is very bad quality, I know) actually are the pyramids of Ghizah, that would be the first proof towards a much older age of the pyramids, since the egg belong to nubian prehistoric period, approximately 8th millennium BC.
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its funny how the tour egypt website you got that from says "Ostrich egg with engravings of animals, dating to Nubian prehistory. "
http://touregypt.net/nubianm55.htm
FYI nubian prehistory isn't 8000bce
Ostrich eggs were used as drinking vessels.
the pyramids in those days weren't as damaged as they are now. In appearence they looked seamless were cased with white limestone and had a black obsidian capstone. So not like the ones in the picture.
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If they are older than the III millennium BC, and if we give credit to the translations of the Inventory Stela, they were at least damaged before the reign of Khufu, having been restored by Khufu himself (at least the Great Pyramid). Nubian prehistory spans from 14.000 BC to 3200 BC. However, the egg was allegedly dated to the VIII millennium BC, on the bases of the pictorial style and place of finding. So, it is at least possible the depictions might actually portray the Ghizah pyramids. (there is however another early depiction of the GHizah pyramids in a mastaba in Saqqara, however it's very controversial. I'll soon post a photograph. Nubian Pyramids were not in existance at the time, and date to the meroitic period. Besides, the egg was found in egyptian Nubia, near Aswan (i.e. historical upper egypt), while historical Nubia (the Kush and Meroe kingdom was in actual Sudan, much souther).
marduk
QUOTE(Dark_Lord @ Jun 5 2005, 11:17 AM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 4 2005, 08:00 PM)
QUOTE(Dark_Lord @ Jun 4 2005, 08:05 PM)
user posted image

This ostrich egg, now at the Aswan archeological museum, might be the first known depiction of the Ghizah pyramids. The egg was found in a tomb near the modern city of Aswan, in northern egyptian Nubia. If the three triangular features which might be seen on the upper shell (the picture is very bad quality, I know) actually are the pyramids of Ghizah, that would be the first proof towards a much older age of the pyramids, since the egg belong to nubian prehistoric period, approximately 8th millennium BC.
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its funny how the tour egypt website you got that from says "Ostrich egg with engravings of animals, dating to Nubian prehistory. "
http://touregypt.net/nubianm55.htm
FYI nubian prehistory isn't 8000bce
Ostrich eggs were used as drinking vessels.
the pyramids in those days weren't as damaged as they are now. In appearence they looked seamless were cased with white limestone and had a black obsidian capstone. So not like the ones in the picture.
no.gif
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If they are older than the III millennium BC, and if we give credit to the translations of the Inventory Stela, they were at least damaged before the reign of Khufu, having been restored by Khufu himself (at least the Great Pyramid). Nubian prehistory spans from 14.000 BC to 3200 BC. However, the egg was allegedly dated to the VIII millennium BC, on the bases of the pictorial style and place of finding. So, it is at least possible the depictions might actually portray the Ghizah pyramids. (there is however another early depiction of the GHizah pyramids in a mastaba in Saqqara, however it's very controversial. I'll soon post a photograph. Nubian Pyramids were not in existance at the time, and date to the meroitic period. Besides, the egg was found in egyptian Nubia, near Aswan (i.e. historical upper egypt), while historical Nubia (the Kush and Meroe kingdom was in actual Sudan, much souther).
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I'd like you to link to a site that says that egg is from the 8th millenium bce period
my own research indicates that it dates to less than 800bce and has a representation of the three nubian pyramids that it was found in on it.
It doesn't represent Giza as the three pyramids on the egg (if thats what they are) are joined together in the nubian style. The giza pyramids aren't
I even posted a picture of three nubian pictures that look just like that but youre still saying Giza
Is this what passes for good science where you're from
The egg was found in a nubian pyramid.
It has pictures of nubian piyramids on it
wheres the mystery again i may have blinked and missed it
Dark_Lord
The egg wasn't found in a nubian pyramid, but in a tomb in Aswan. Nubian pyramids are in Sudan, Aswan is in Egypt. Besides, nubian pyramids are not prehistoric at all.
http://www.numibia.net/nubia/prehistory.htm
The link is about Nubia prehistory (the page is that of the Nubia Museum of Aswan, in which the egg is preserved).
marduk
QUOTE(Dark_Lord @ Jun 5 2005, 03:58 PM)
The egg wasn't found in a nubian pyramid, but in a tomb in Aswan. Nubian pyramids are in Sudan, Aswan is in Egypt. Besides, nubian pyramids are not prehistoric at all.
http://www.numibia.net/nubia/prehistory.htm
The link is about Nubia prehistory (the page is that of the Nubia Museum of Aswan, in which the egg is preserved).
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from the link you posted
"From the late 4th millennium BC, the A-Group became dominant in the region, and the cases are filled with exquisite A-Group "eggshell ware" pottery, polished quartz cosmetic palettes, and a mica mirror, still retaining traces of galena powder. Intensive Egyptian exploration of Nubia commenced during the Old Kingdom. Outstanding evidence of this is a diorite statue of King Khafre, which was found in the valley temple of the king's pyramid complex at Giza. The stone was quarried from outcrops in the desert west of Toshka - more than 1,000 km south of its final destination. Around this statue are examples of commemorative stelae and ex-votives bearing the names of kings carved by the workmen who were periodically sent to that remote Nubian quarry to bring diorite blocks for the statues and tombs of their kings. "
So the fact that it was found in an egyptian tomb means that's perfectly normal.
The museum doesn't think that the pictures are pyramids
it says animals ?
i think we'd need a better photo to make sure
but good find anyway. If it turns out to be 100% normal don't be disappointed
at least we've all learned something about the nubian egyptian link.
iirc at some point Nubian Pharoahs ruled egypt. But not for a long time after the purported date for this egg.
how do you know it was found in a tomb in aswan. ?
i couldn't find that info anywhere !




Dark_Lord
I e-mailed the museum of Aswan. As soon as they answer I'll post anything more I know about it.
marduk
QUOTE(Atlantis Rises @ Jun 5 2005, 01:07 AM)
I'm sure there were, but none have survived.
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It's an art form that is drawn freehand
when you're painting on your eggs at easter for the kids do you plan out what you're gonna draw on them ?
Besides which.
in 8000bce paper hadn't been invented so the artist would have to draw his design on a rock which would be considerably more difficult than the egg.
did you consider that the egg might actually be the blueprint and not the finished design ?
Ostrich eggs like this were used as drinking vessels. They're as common as dog poo.
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Dark_Lord
QUOTE(Atlantis Rises @ Jun 5 2005, 12:07 AM)
I'm sure there were, but none have survived.
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In the Mastaba of Tiy, in Saqquara, a hunting scene might be an encoded depiction of the Great Pyramid. I don't know if it's a coincidence or something deliberate, since the aeguments are not very convincing. However, the depiction is rather interesting, and might actually hold encoded information, since Tiy was supervisor to the temples and pyramids under the Vth dinasty pharaohs.
Ancient World Wonders
But Papryus paper was being used. And I'm sure "blueprints" would have been made for the pyramids, especially designing the inside. You can't just built a pyramid on a whim. That would be stupid and foolish! The pyramids were carefully crafted.
aquatus1
Absolutely. But I am reminded of a story one of my professors once told me:

In Europe, the building of a cathedral was a major event, usually spanning generations, and carefully laid out well in advance. Blueprints were made by spreading a light coating of plaster on a floor and drawing out the plans. These plaster prints are extremely rare and very fragile. He recounted how, once, a team of re-constructers were mucking out an old chicken stall in preparation of re-building the ancient cathedral, and found under a two inch layer of chicken dung, a large plaster blueprint, unfortunetly torn to pieces by the weight of the workers.

Papyrus, given time, is similarly fragile, and blueprints are unlikely to have been as valuable to the Egyptians, in terms of storage, as other documents. It may well be possible that all the blueprints are gone.
turbonium
Where is the Teletubbies option vote?? laugh.gif
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