The Earth btw, IS older than 6000 years old. It quite specifically says in Enoch the 7 days were 7000 years (1 of God's days is 1000 Earth years - think lightyears, God is in space) and Enoch was in the 8000th Year. There were 70000 to come, at the end of wich the 3 angels given full blame for the other 200, Azazel, Shemiyaza, and Uzza, would be released. 70 generations were the equivalent to 7000 years, further backed up by the fatc that they were to be relseased on the final judgement (the end) in which global cimaltic changes woul;d again occur (global warming) and these 3 fallen angels would then 'heal the Earth they plagued and give life back to her (the Earth)'. No doubt this is through reincarnation. Even John the Baptist was the reincarnation of a human-turned angel Elijah/Sandalphon, who returnes as the forrunner angel John the Baptist and retuns AGAIN in Revelation as one of the two witnesses. The other is Enoch, another human-turned angel Enoch/Metatron, who, as Jesus said, 'would die in due course'. Neither Enoch nor Elijah, since they both turned into angels (only two cases known of of HUMANS turning into angels, who no doubt were angels to begin with) did not die the first time around.
In short, you start seeing them around, start worrying.
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QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jun 1 2005, 01:54 AM)
The Earth btw, IS older than 6000 years old. It quite specifically says in Enoch the 7 days were 7000 years (1 of God's days is 1000 Earth years - think lightyears, God is in space) and Enoch was in the 8000th Year. There were 70000 to come, at the end of wich the 3 angels given full blame for the other 200, Azazel, Shemiyaza, and Uzza, would be released. 70 generations were the equivalent to 7000 years, further backed up by the fatc that they were to be relseased on the final judgement (the end) in which global cimaltic changes woul;d again occur (global warming) and these 3 fallen angels would then 'heal the Earth they plagued and give life back to her (the Earth)'. No doubt this is through reincarnation. Even John the Baptist was the reincarnation of a human-turned angel Elijah/Sandalphon, who returnes as the forrunner angel John the Baptist and retuns AGAIN in Revelation as one of the two witnesses. The other is Enoch, another human-turned angel Enoch/Metatron, who, as Jesus said, 'would die in due course'. Neither Enoch nor Elijah, since they both turned into angels (only two cases known of of HUMANS turning into angels, who no doubt were angels to begin with) did not die the first time around.
In short, you start seeing them around, start worrying.
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In short, you start seeing them around, start worrying.
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so how old are you actually saying the earth is ?
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QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 1 2005, 01:47 AM)
Marduk? I'm still waiting on your reply about how Noah gathered marine animals onto the ark?
Show me the scripture?
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uh duh
thats because you can't read english
I said that he would have to build aquariums to save all the fish
as you have pointed out he didn't
but all the fish are still with us
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He didn't take ANY fish on the ark. Why are the fish still with us? Well, probably because they survived the Flood.
Or do you think all the fish died too?
Did the water get too high?
Marduk, nowhere does it say marine life went into any ark. It affected land masses and land animals.
Why would hned need aqauriums to save amrine life in a flood? Desalinization occurs naturally.
Why would hned need aqauriums to save amrine life in a flood? Desalinization occurs naturally.
I'd say about 15,000 years, according to that equation. However, because of the changing of the calendars over thse years, and the fact that we have lost time and not gained it, it could be a few thousand years older than that.
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ May 31 2005, 06:59 PM)
Marduk, nowhere does it say marine life went into any ark. It affected land masses and land animals.
Why would he need aqauriums to save marine life in a flood? Desalinization occurs naturally.
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Why would he need aqauriums to save marine life in a flood? Desalinization occurs naturally.
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Ashley! Thank you!!
Maybe now that someone else says it he will believe it.
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QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ May 31 2005, 06:59 PM)
Marduk, nowhere does it say marine life went into any ark. It affected land masses and land animals.
Why would he need aqauriums to save marine life in a flood? Desalinization occurs naturally.
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Why would he need aqauriums to save marine life in a flood? Desalinization occurs naturally.
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At no time did i say that Noah took fish onto the ark
i said he DIDNT take fish onto the ark
there are two types of fish on this planet you troglodytes
saltwater and fresh water
did god make it just rain freshwater and rainwater in the right places
or did he seperate every river by dividers to stop the ph balance changing
You guys really don't know anything about fish at all do you
If Noah didn't take fish onto the ark
every fish on earth would be dead
along with all the plants that he also didn't take
so they'd all be dead
they aren't are they
you think maybe God forgot to mention all that when he was writing it down
or is this another one thats solved by having "Faith"
NP Amalgamut
Marduk,
Like I said above, desalinization occurs naturally. When salt water goes through a narrow neck of water (such as a river) the salt falls the the bottom and freshwater naturally occurs. Even IF all the freshwater marine life died, when the flood subsided and desalinization occured again, freshwater would naturally evolve (for lack of a better word). I belive in micro-evolution. Ape-man evolution is load of crap imho opinion however.
Animals like land hermit crabs and maybe crocodiles were probably on there though. They would have had some water on such an ark, they need to bathe! lol
Marduk,
Like I said above, desalinization occurs naturally. When salt water goes through a narrow neck of water (such as a river) the salt falls the the bottom and freshwater naturally occurs. Even IF all the freshwater marine life died, when the flood subsided and desalinization occured again, freshwater would naturally evolve (for lack of a better word). I belive in micro-evolution
. Ape-man evolution is load of crap imho opinion however.Animals like land hermit crabs and maybe crocodiles were probably on there though. They would have had some water on such an ark, they need to bathe! lol
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jun 1 2005, 02:53 AM)
NP Amalgamut
Marduk,
Like I said above, desalinization occurs naturally. When salt water goes through a narrow neck of water (such as a river) the salt falls the the bottom and freshwater naturally occurs. Even IF all the freshwater marine life died, when the flood subsided and desalinization occured again, freshwater would naturally evolve (for lack of a better word). I belive in micro-evolution. Ape-man evolution is load of crap imho opinion however.
Animals like land hermit crabs and maybe crocodiles were probably on there though. They would have had some water on such an ark, they need to bathe! lol
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Marduk,
Like I said above, desalinization occurs naturally. When salt water goes through a narrow neck of water (such as a river) the salt falls the the bottom and freshwater naturally occurs. Even IF all the freshwater marine life died, when the flood subsided and desalinization occured again, freshwater would naturally evolve (for lack of a better word). I belive in micro-evolution
. Ape-man evolution is load of crap imho opinion however.Animals like land hermit crabs and maybe crocodiles were probably on there though. They would have had some water on such an ark, they need to bathe! lol
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Only they forgot to mention it right .....?
so you're now saying that they did have aquariums on the ark
hmmmm. i'm sure something happened there
sounded like "flip flop"
As for all fish being dead, no way. The majority of marine life is saltwater, rising sea levels don't kill fish, or any other marine life, they have a habit of migrating when the conditions aren't suitable. Screwing up a few shorelines isn't going to screw up the many oceans of the Earth, of which there is more than land mass. Tsunamis and floods from a changing climate caused the flood. Most storm clouds, while beginning at sea, end up on dry land hence why we get rain. All rain comes from water already present on our planet.
Land hermit crabs (of which I have as pets) live on LAND. Few squirts of water is all they need to keep their gills moist. Crocodiles are a posibility, but you wouldn't need an 'aquarium' to keep crocs. They can survive partially submerged in shallow water.
QUOTE(marduk @ May 31 2005, 07:44 PM)
At no time did i say that Noah took fish onto the ark
i said he DIDNT take fish onto the ark
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i said he DIDNT take fish onto the ark
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Yes, I know but you are implying had he not taken fish into the ark, all fish would have died.
QUOTE(marduk @ May 31 2005, 07:44 PM)
there are two types of fish on this planet you troglodytes
saltwater and fresh water did god make it just rain freshwater and rainwater in the right places
or did he seperate every river by dividers to stop the ph balance changing
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saltwater and fresh water did god make it just rain freshwater and rainwater in the right places
or did he seperate every river by dividers to stop the ph balance changing
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I have no idea how he did it. Why don't you right him a letter?
QUOTE(marduk @ May 31 2005, 07:44 PM)
You guys really don't know anything about fish at all do you
If Noah didn't take fish onto the ark
every fish on earth would be dead
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If Noah didn't take fish onto the ark
every fish on earth would be dead
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No, wrong try again please.
QUOTE(marduk @ May 31 2005, 07:44 PM)
along with all the plants that he also didn't take
so they'd all be dead
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so they'd all be dead
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No. Many plants would be able to survive.
QUOTE(marduk @ May 31 2005, 07:55 PM)
Only they forgot to mention it right .....?
so you're now saying that they did have aquariums on the ark
hmmmm. i'm sure something happened there
sounded like "flip flop"
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Nobody said, nor implied that Noah had aqauriums on the ark. They simply would not have been needed.
You also fail to realize that both salt water and fresh water fish would have survived. Certain areas would have contained more of a fresh water pH balance than others, which I'm sure would have allowed fish to live for a certain amount of time.
oh boy... this thread almost belongs over in the spirituality section now!
good posts marduk.
lets see... evidence shows the linkage of micro and macro evo.... you do not have one without the other! ashley... do you understand evo at all? (i know the answer to that one).
as marduk pointed out -- such a global flood would have destroyed sea-life, as well as all plantlife.
there is also the issue of water supply: there is just not enough water on the planet to have a global flood! if there was that much water, the world would be vastly different than it is now.
ashley: crocs on the arc along with pools so they could bath? now i have heard everything..... i guess faith can make you believe just about anything!
good posts marduk.
lets see... evidence shows the linkage of micro and macro evo.... you do not have one without the other! ashley... do you understand evo at all? (i know the answer to that one).
as marduk pointed out -- such a global flood would have destroyed sea-life, as well as all plantlife.
there is also the issue of water supply: there is just not enough water on the planet to have a global flood! if there was that much water, the world would be vastly different than it is now.
ashley: crocs on the arc along with pools so they could bath? now i have heard everything..... i guess faith can make you believe just about anything!
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 08:06 PM)
oh boy... this thread almost belongs over in the spirituality section now!
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Yes it does.
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 08:06 PM)
good posts marduk.
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QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 08:06 PM)
as marduk pointed out -- such a global flood would have destroyed sea-life, as well as all plantlife.
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So you are telling me that you honestly think all sea life would have been destroyed had there been a flood?
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 08:06 PM)
there is also the issue of water supply: there is just not enough water on the planet to have a global flood! if there was that much water, the world would be vastly different than it is now.
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"The Lord opened the floodgates of heaven."
If God had created the earth I highly doubt he would run into trouble trying to find enough water to flood it.
amul:
yup... all those pesky details can't come between a believer and his.....
life is sensitive to changes. some life is more robust than other, but all marine life is sensitive to the pH, saline levels, temperatures of the waters which they inhabit.
if the water goes up, guess what? the plants will recieve less light resulting in death.... now if marine plantlife dies, what happens to the animals dependent on that plantlife?
as for freshwater species, if it was a global flood, then they would all be destroyed by the contamination of saltwater.
not that any of this matters, because there IS NOT ENOUGH WATER for a global flood! or are you going to argue that your god just magically made the excess flood water go away? maybe he picked it up and put it on mars?
yup... all those pesky details can't come between a believer and his.....
life is sensitive to changes. some life is more robust than other, but all marine life is sensitive to the pH, saline levels, temperatures of the waters which they inhabit.
if the water goes up, guess what? the plants will recieve less light resulting in death.... now if marine plantlife dies, what happens to the animals dependent on that plantlife?
as for freshwater species, if it was a global flood, then they would all be destroyed by the contamination of saltwater.
not that any of this matters, because there IS NOT ENOUGH WATER for a global flood! or are you going to argue that your god just magically made the excess flood water go away? maybe he picked it up and put it on mars?
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 08:25 PM)
life is sensitive to changes. some life is more robust than other, but all marine life is sensitive to the pH, saline levels, temperatures of the waters which they inhabit.
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Funny, I have seen Steve-O swallow a goldfish and keep it in his stomach for over a minute, and he puked it out and it lived.
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 08:25 PM)
if the water goes up, guess what? the plants will recieve less light resulting in death.... now if marine plantlife dies, what happens to the animals dependent on that plantlife?
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Yes, and when the waters recede, the plants re-sead the soil and viola! new trees and plants.
You make it seem as if the earth would never grow plants again after the flood ended.
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 08:25 PM)
as for freshwater species, if it was a global flood, then they would all be destroyed by the contamination of saltwater.
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Maybe the fish at that time could sustain a bit of salt in their water? Hell, there is even a fish nowadays that can walk on land, and hold air in a pouch.
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 08:25 PM)
not that any of this matters, because there IS NOT ENOUGH WATER for a global flood! or are you going to argue that your god just magically made the excess flood water go away? maybe he picked it up and put it on mars?
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Did you not read my last post?
you are an excellent wordsmith amal...
if you put as much effort into learning the truth as you do into warping things to meet your beliefs.....
if you put as much effort into learning the truth as you do into warping things to meet your beliefs.....
hmm, seems to me people only see in Marduk's posts what they want to see, the way i read it, in no way did he make some of the claims he is acused of....anyways, Amal in my eyes all you are doing is proven Marduk right in saying that christians are brainwashed...im sorry but i have to side with Marduk on this thread as i tend to do on most actually, instead of just overlooking anything that isn't in your religion why not consider it and consider what your saying at the same time...kind of makes things clearer doesnt it? in no way could the earth exists as it does today if this so cold worldwide flood happened, and opened the floodgates of heaven? please don't make me laugh...religion is but an organized system of ignorence, same can be said about science but meh...don't take it as a flame, i don't.
wow, stevo ate a goldfish and puked it back up in a minute? i wonder will the fish be alive in 40 days? and as for fish being able to retain a bit of salt, well your evidence is crap because this walking fish is due to a long period of evolution and in no way is a fresh water fish magically going to survive in salt water....1 more point if there was a world wide flood why are there huge FRESH water lakes with no traces of salt water?
Hyperactive, actually I live in a country full of crocs, and in the wildlife places here they are kept in extremely shallow water. They are part land part water animals and most definantly could survive without an 'aquarium'.
I know all about Evolution, and micro evolution doesn't necessarily have to go with macro. The ability to adapt to living conditions and/or interbreed with other species is in no way relevant to turning into an enitrely other species all of it's own. They can be and in my opinion are very separate things. I wholeheartedly do NOT accept nor believe in the latter.
As for aquatic plants, we're talking about a period of 40 days and even if they did die in that time, plants drop seeds etc. Life goes on. And like I've said, for the 3rd time desalinization occurs naturally. Rising water levels would have little to NO affect on marine life. As for there not being enough water, you've got to be joshing me right? The majority of our planet IS water. Like I've said, it specifically states it was set off by asteroid hits into the ocean causing tsunamis THEN there was rain/flooding. It's coming from both sources. Then it turned into an Ice Age as a result of the climatic changes.
I know all about Evolution, and micro evolution doesn't necessarily have to go with macro. The ability to adapt to living conditions and/or interbreed with other species is in no way relevant to turning into an enitrely other species all of it's own. They can be and in my opinion are very separate things. I wholeheartedly do NOT accept nor believe in the latter.
As for aquatic plants, we're talking about a period of 40 days and even if they did die in that time, plants drop seeds etc. Life goes on. And like I've said, for the 3rd time desalinization occurs naturally. Rising water levels would have little to NO affect on marine life. As for there not being enough water, you've got to be joshing me right? The majority of our planet IS water. Like I've said, it specifically states it was set off by asteroid hits into the ocean causing tsunamis THEN there was rain/flooding. It's coming from both sources. Then it turned into an Ice Age as a result of the climatic changes.
ashley, you do not understand evo. 
(we have one origin... that is why the genetics of all species share so much in common.... one species does form another - when enough little changes occur we end up with a different enough genome to have another (Related) species.....)
but, what is this 40 day flood leading to an ice-age? funny!
and yes, we are well aware there is not enough water on the planet to have caused a global flood.
as for the crocs... good thing they knew to swim on over to the arc so they could get a free ride then? even this violates the best interpretations of the arc story which only accounts for clean animals on the boat! soo many interpretations! the only commonality is that they are all fiction!
say it with me: there was not a global flood. there was not an arc carrying every species on earth....
(we have one origin... that is why the genetics of all species share so much in common.... one species does form another - when enough little changes occur we end up with a different enough genome to have another (Related) species.....)but, what is this 40 day flood leading to an ice-age? funny!
and yes, we are well aware there is not enough water on the planet to have caused a global flood.
as for the crocs... good thing they knew to swim on over to the arc so they could get a free ride then? even this violates the best interpretations of the arc story which only accounts for clean animals on the boat! soo many interpretations! the only commonality is that they are all fiction!
say it with me: there was not a global flood. there was not an arc carrying every species on earth....
QUOTE(Lord_Kazius @ May 31 2005, 09:23 PM)
hmm, seems to me people only see in Marduk's posts what they want to see, the way i read it, in no way did he make some of the claims he is acused
of....anyways
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of....anyways
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Then you're reading must be just as bad as his writing.
QUOTE(Lord_Kazius @ May 31 2005, 09:23 PM)
, Amal in my eyes all you are doing is proven Marduk right in saying that christians are brainwashed...
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Really? How is that?
QUOTE(Lord_Kazius @ May 31 2005, 09:23 PM)
im sorry but i have to side with Marduk on this thread as i tend to do on most actually
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Please tell me that was a joke.
QUOTE(Lord_Kazius @ May 31 2005, 09:23 PM)
, instead of just overlooking anything that isn't in your religion why not consider it and consider what your saying at the same time...kind of makes things clearer doesnt it?
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Ok, like what...
QUOTE(Lord_Kazius @ May 31 2005, 09:23 PM)
in no way could the earth exists as it does today if this so cold worldwide flood happened, and opened the floodgates of heaven?
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Floodgates of heaven yes, did I stutter the first time I said it?
QUOTE(Lord_Kazius @ May 31 2005, 09:23 PM)
please don't make me laugh...religion is but an organized system of ignorence, same can be said about science but meh...don't take it as a flame, i don't.
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That's just your opinion. And a very overused one at that. Did you read that on the back of a milkcarton?
QUOTE(Lord_Kazius @ May 31 2005, 09:26 PM)
wow, stevo ate a goldfish and puked it back up in a minute? i wonder will the fish be alive in 40 days?
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Sure, why not.
QUOTE(Lord_Kazius @ May 31 2005, 09:26 PM)
and as for fish being able to retain a bit of salt, well your evidence is crap because this walking fish is due to a long period of evolution and in no way is a fresh water fish magically going to survive in salt water
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Your evidence is "crap" due to you not knowing for sure if this fish evolved from anything. Just theories.
QUOTE(Lord_Kazius @ May 31 2005, 09:26 PM)
....1 more point if there was a world wide flood why are there huge FRESH water lakes with no traces of salt water?
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First you have no point at all.
Second, saying there is "no trace of sodium" is highly unlikely.
amal:
you are one funny fish....
a theory is "crap" because of evo, yet a story is true in spite of the fact that there is not enough water for it to be true!..... 
you are one funny fish....
a theory is "crap" because of evo, yet a story is true in spite of the fact that there is not enough water for it to be true!.....
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 09:46 PM)
(we have one origin... that is why the genetics of all species share so much in common...
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So would you say that we desend from one mother? Meaning, all our genes can be traced back to one?
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(we have one origin... that is why the genetics of all species share so much in common...
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So would you say that we desend from one mother? Meaning, all our genes can be traced back to one?
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that is the current knowledge supports... and before you try to make some god reference to the orgin note that we already know the orgins (and yes, they are still present and living on the earth today - they just can not survive in a free oxygen environment)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 10:02 PM)
that is the current knowledge supports... and before you try to make some god reference to the orgin note that we already know the orgins (and yes, they are still present and living on the earth today - they just can not survive in a free oxygen environment)
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This is what I thought
I wasn't trying to refer it back to Eve, but some people on this thread think the opposite of my question I asked you.
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 09:58 PM)
amal:
you are one funny fish....
a theory is "crap" because of evo, yet a story is true in spite of the fact that there is not enough water for it to be true!.....
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a theory is "crap" because of evo, yet a story is true in spite of the fact that there is not enough water for it to be true!.....
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How many times must I tell you people......?
God could have easily come up with the water to flood the earth.
How many more times do I need to say this?
I will say it again one more time...
God could have easily came up with enough water to flood the earth, besides he supposedly made it, so I doubt finding water to flood it would be a problem.
I know about Evolution, doesn't mean I have to agree with it. There are non-Creationist scientists which don't accept it.
As of water, like I said, the majority of our planet is water, the land mass is small in cmparison to the amount of water on the planet.
Now, about 'clean' and 'unclean' animals. his is a term referring to edible animals. Certain animals were considered 'unlean' to eat, like pigs, shellfish, fish without fins, etc. They still, however, went on the Ark, but in smaller numbers. There were 7 pairs of 'clean' animals, etc. Crocs do walk on land, no probs getting them on a boat there, except maybe a few missing 'snacks' along the way
Now, seeing as we all have the same origin, tht again, really doesn't go back to Evolution. Like I sad in another post, a fetus has about a 50% similarity to chickens, dogs, dolphins, apes, and a whopping 15% similarity to daffodils. I find that amusing. Where did we supposedly come from again, ape or a flower!? I'd rather go with the human origin, the Mother strain which began all further descedants. My point here is, that just because there is a [i]similarity[/i[ to apes does not make up descended from apes. Unlss of course you want to add dolphins, chickens, dogs, and daffodils to the equation.
As of water, like I said, the majority of our planet is water, the land mass is small in cmparison to the amount of water on the planet.
Now, about 'clean' and 'unclean' animals. his is a term referring to edible animals. Certain animals were considered 'unlean' to eat, like pigs, shellfish, fish without fins, etc. They still, however, went on the Ark, but in smaller numbers. There were 7 pairs of 'clean' animals, etc. Crocs do walk on land, no probs getting them on a boat there, except maybe a few missing 'snacks' along the way
Now, seeing as we all have the same origin, tht again, really doesn't go back to Evolution. Like I sad in another post, a fetus has about a 50% similarity to chickens, dogs, dolphins, apes, and a whopping 15% similarity to daffodils. I find that amusing. Where did we supposedly come from again, ape or a flower!? I'd rather go with the human origin, the Mother strain which began all further descedants. My point here is, that just because there is a [i]similarity[/i[ to apes does not make up descended from apes. Unlss of course you want to add dolphins, chickens, dogs, and daffodils to the equation.
ashley, your misunderstandings of evo are truly dizzying!
amul, this god could just have came up with the water?
amul, this god could just have came up with the water?
On top of that, human fetuses develop initially as just a head
(if you could call it that....) with an external spinal chord attached to a yolk sac. That's origins for you. Alien anyone? We could be categorized with ANY animal, doesn't mean we are descended form them.
(if you could call it that....) with an external spinal chord attached to a yolk sac. That's origins for you. Alien anyone? We could be categorized with ANY animal, doesn't mean we are descended form them.
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On top of that, human fetuses develop initially as just a head
(if you could call it that....) with an external spinal chord attached to a yolk sac. That's origins for you. Alien anyone? We could be categorized with ANY animal, doesn't mean we are descended form them.
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(if you could call it that....) with an external spinal chord attached to a yolk sac. That's origins for you. Alien anyone? We could be categorized with ANY animal, doesn't mean we are descended form them.
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ashley, could we now? it sounds like you and amal have been taking courses from the how-to-defend-the-monotheistic-religion-perspective-school-of-warp-and-deny.
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amul, this god could just have came up with the water?
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"..on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights." (Genesis 6:11)
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amul, this god could just have came up with the water?
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"..on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights." (Genesis 6:11)
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too bad the taps would have run dry before the world was flooded! that pesky little issue of NOT ENOUGH WATER again.....
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it sounds like you and amal have been taking courses from the how-to-defend-the-monotheistic-religion-perspective-school-of-warp-and-deny.
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Hey, I get my ideas from the bible. And I always have scripture to back my opinion.
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it sounds like you and amal have been taking courses from the how-to-defend-the-monotheistic-religion-perspective-school-of-warp-and-deny.
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Hey, I get my ideas from the bible. And I always have scripture to back my opinion.
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isn't that akin to saying "i get my ideas from the cat in the hat and i always have dr. seusss to back my opinion"?
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too bad the taps would have run dry before the world was flooded! that pesky little issue of NOT ENOUGH WATER again.....
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I feel like I am in the twilight zone!
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"and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."
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Now, how do you know how much water was held back by these "floodgates in heaven?"
EXACTLY!!!! There is no way to tell. It could have been a trillion billion zillion gallons!!! I think I've made myself clear.
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isn't that akin to saying "i get my ideas from the cat in the hat and i always have dr. seusss to back my opinion"?
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Ok, and that argument makes no sense at all....
What should a christian use to back their beliefs? Should I use a "Where's Waldo" book?!
Is that what you are suggesting?! What would you suggest?!
you have made nothing clear.
if there was all this extra water that no longer is on the planet, in the planet, or in the atmosphere, where did it go? are you saying that somehow all this extra water just "evaporated" right off the planet and into space? are you saying mr god just decided to drop a couple extra buckets in for the flood and then put it back on mars where he got it from?
you have not answered anything by quoting scripture.
if there was all this extra water that no longer is on the planet, in the planet, or in the atmosphere, where did it go? are you saying that somehow all this extra water just "evaporated" right off the planet and into space? are you saying mr god just decided to drop a couple extra buckets in for the flood and then put it back on mars where he got it from?
you have not answered anything by quoting scripture.
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isn't that akin to saying "i get my ideas from the cat in the hat and i always have dr. seusss to back my opinion"?
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Ok, and that argument makes no sense at all....
What should a christian use to back their beliefs? Should I use a "Where's Waldo" book?!
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evidence!
if the EVIDENCE supports it, say so. if the EVIDENCE refutes it, say so!
the analogy is clear.... using the writings within a book to justify the writings of a book is circular and pointless. i can do the same thing with dr. seuss -> cats can talk. how do i know? the book "the cat in the hat" tells me so! so how do i know the book is accurate? the book would not lie, it has to be true, there is no reason for dr. seuss to lie to me!..........
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you have made nothing clear.
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Yes, I think I have.
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if there was all this extra water that no longer is on the planet, in the planet, or in the atmosphere, where did it go?
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Where do dogs go when they die? Where does the water and pee go when I flush the toilet?
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are you saying that somehow all this extra water just "evaporated" right off the planet and into space?
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Sure? Why not? Or maybe it went down back into the ground?
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are you saying mr god just decided to drop a couple extra buckets in for the flood and then put it back on mars where he got it from?
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Are you saying that you like to eat bean burritos?
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you have not answered anything by quoting scripture.
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If you ask a question about God, I can't use scripture to answer it? I fail to see your mentality.
scripture does not give solid answers.... oh yeah, the water appeared with the wave of his hand.... nice metaphore, but it does not tell us anything about the REAL sources of water. as i have said, there is not enough water on the planet for a global flood (that is accounting for all souces currently on, in, and over this planet).
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evidence!
if the EVIDENCE supports it, say so. if the EVIDENCE refutes it, say so!
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if the EVIDENCE supports it, say so. if the EVIDENCE refutes it, say so!
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What evidence?
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the analogy is clear.... using the writings within a book to justify the writings of a book is circular and pointless.
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Your analogy is faulty. Give me one line out of "The Cat in the Hat" that is relavent to a global flood.
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i can do the same thing with dr. seuss -> cats can talk. how do i know? the book "the cat in the hat" tells me so!
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Hmmmm...ok. But "cats being able to talk" isn't what this discussion is about now is it? Also, does it say anywhere in the bible that cats can talk? No.
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so how do i know the book is accurate? the book would not lie, it has to be true, there is no reason for dr. seuss to lie to me!..........
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Dr. Seuss was a childrens author. He made fictional books for children. The Bible never claimed to be fiction. And it has over 40 authors. Where does it say that Dr.Seuss made non-fictional books?! Where?!?!
where does it say OUTSIDE the bible that it is not a work of mythology but a work of fact?
scholars agree that some contexts of it reflect history, but it is not a history book.
the colourful language alone, akin to the type used in other mythologies, childen's books, and works of fiction tell you much of the nature of the book.
as for talking cats and the global flood: we have conclusive evidence that both are fictional!
evidence: you know, that pesky little issue of facts that keeps getting in the way of everybody buying into your favorite book of old!
scholars agree that some contexts of it reflect history, but it is not a history book.
the colourful language alone, akin to the type used in other mythologies, childen's books, and works of fiction tell you much of the nature of the book.
as for talking cats and the global flood: we have conclusive evidence that both are fictional!
evidence: you know, that pesky little issue of facts that keeps getting in the way of everybody buying into your favorite book of old!
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where does it say OUTSIDE the bible that it is not a work of mythology but a work of fact?
scholars agree that some contexts of it reflect history, but it is not a history book.
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scholars agree that some contexts of it reflect history, but it is not a history book.
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Yes, because "scholars" cannot explain supernatural events. Therefore they label it as false. They pick and chose what they say is true or not.
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as for talking cats and the global flood: we have conclusive evidence that both are fictional!
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We have conclusive evidence that talking cats are fictional. Not the bible. Nobody who wrote it, or decended from any author from it has come out and said its fictional.
You act like just because the bible was written makes it fasle and unbelievable. What did you expect people to do back in those times? Take digiatal pictures? Record things on their DVD-Camcorder? They only way things would be remembered was by writting it down, and thats exactly why they did it.
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 11:14 PM)
scripture does not give solid answers.... oh yeah, the water appeared with the wave of his hand.... nice metaphore, but it does not tell us anything about the REAL sources of water. as i have said, there is not enough water on the planet for a global flood (that is accounting for all souces currently on, in, and over this planet).
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Did you ever think about the water from under the earth?
yes, all the water has been accounted for.. (that is what the "in" referred to)
no, not because it was written, but because of the statements it makes contrary to evidence external to it and contradictions within it..... i seem to remember your favorite: the cud chewing rabbit!
one thing the bible has on seuss though: all children eventually realize the truth of seuss! perhaps if we taught our children the religion of suess it would be different? that would be something! generations talking about the days of talking cats with magic hats! sounds like the bible all over again....
no, not because it was written, but because of the statements it makes contrary to evidence external to it and contradictions within it..... i seem to remember your favorite: the cud chewing rabbit!
one thing the bible has on seuss though: all children eventually realize the truth of seuss! perhaps if we taught our children the religion of suess it would be different? that would be something! generations talking about the days of talking cats with magic hats! sounds like the bible all over again....
Water from under the earth Amalgamut?
As in somebody was digging a well, struck water, and it flooded the entire earth?
I'm sticking with my comet/ meteorite theory.
As in somebody was digging a well, struck water, and it flooded the entire earth?
I'm sticking with my comet/ meteorite theory.
QUOTE(hyperactive @ May 31 2005, 11:53 PM)
one thing the bible has on seuss though: all children eventually realize the truth of seuss! perhaps if we taught our children the religion of suess it would be different? that would be something! generations talking about the days of talking cats with magic hats! sounds like the bible all over again....
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Children arent told, nor implied that Dr. Seuss books are real. At least, this was the way things were at my elementry school. And I did not ride the short bus.
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