surely
just to check that life is extinguished
no wonder you guys lose at war all the time
hehehe

OK some have postulated that the earth was encased in a bubble of water and ice as it rotated a large asteroid or such broke the protective shell. Which fell to earth as rain. But did cover the whole face of the earth before receding into the bowels of the earth! Hence before the flood life spans were very much longer do to no radiation from the sun other than good radiation. There is evidence of great flooding around the entire planet in a short time period. There are massive bone yards, crevices and caves where water had washed the bones of thousands of species into. all mixed together. Lions with bear, camels,wooly mammoth, the list goes on and on. In China,England,France,africa. Cumberland Maryland U.S. In the Cumberland caverns there were found bones of animals all broken but no sign of water wear over a period of time. Bones of wolverine, lemming, long tailed shrew, mink, red squirrel, muskrat, porcupine, hare, and elk all together with peccary, crocodile, and tapir. animals from desert climates along with animals from forested areas northern and southern climates all were washed together in the same place at the same time. So explain that with out a flood theory! This was just an example of the many instances around the world of the same thing around the same time in pre-history.!!

the earth was encased in a giant bubble of ice?????

Sorry, that just makes no kind of sense. Scientifically, or otherwise. If, your theory is correct, there would be very little, if any life on the planet to begin with. Temperatures would be too low, and the requisite energy of the sun would be diffused and deflected. Ergo, no photosynthesis of plants.

And, if you do the math, the amount of water in your 'bubble' would exceed that of the capacity of the earth to hold that much water. this would be a water world. Or, do you postulate that the earth is like a giant sponge, and simply absorbed a few 100 billions of gallons of water?

ive heard more sanier thoeries than 'bubble ice'
methinks

That crap about lots of different bones being found in caves
have you actual;ly thought about that
you're saying that a giant tidal wave washed over the oland and deposited lots of animals in the same cave where they all ended up smashed together,
or
they cave was inhabited by many different animals over time most of which were predatory and added to the debis in the cave from the previous eons.
somehow i don't think tidal waves play pool
and you don't find complete skeletons from tidal waves that would have broken the animals body into pieces seconds after hitting it.
they didn't surf you know
there ya go
nicely explained without a flood theory
happy now ?

oh yea marduk
maybe the flood was caused when earth (imagine us as a small marble if u will) was dropped in a bath tub when nmamma alien was bathing a baby alien
one for lucidelement

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Do you even know the dimensions of the boat? Of course the "two of every animals" did not apply to any type of fish, which I hope you knew this. And again, this is just your opinion.

Remember the comment you made about the pyramids? I said it would be impossible to do that now, and you replied "well, no one has every tried, so its not impossible."

Well, there ya go.
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Um, you do realize that mixing fresh water (rain, rivers, streams, lakes) with salt water (oceans, seas) would kill most of the fish right? Most fish need a certain mixture of either salt water, or fresh water to stay alive... But, of course you didn't know that because "God" didn't say so...

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Do you even know the dimensions of the boat? Of course the "two of every animals" did not apply to any type of fish, which I hope you knew this. And again, this is just your opinion.

Remember the comment you made about the pyramids? I said it would be impossible to do that now, and you replied "well, no one has every tried, so its not impossible."

Well, there ya go.
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Um, you do realize that mixing fresh water (rain, rivers, streams, lakes) with salt water (oceans, seas) would kill most of the fish right? Most fish need a certain mixture of either salt water, or fresh water to stay alive... But, of course you didn't know that because "God" didn't say so...
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yeah apparently he's not much of an icthyologist.
i bet he tried keeping neon tetras but they all died

do you have anything better to do then to add dumb things to almost everyone of your posts about god? the fish that lived in one area, stayed in that area, or they died, so some fish must have lived.

Oh here we go again
we just got through explaining this so why don't you read the previous posts instead of just responding to the last one
that way you might actually have something to say
as it is you're just wasting everyones time

In the christian flood myth there wasn't just one are for the fish to survive in
the inundation was Global to the mountain tops remember.

so, if God has the power to flood the earth, don't you think he has the power for all the fish to live?

those accursed facts just can not measure up to the power of a miracle now, can they?


this is right up there with the 'i am sure god could find enough water to flood the earth if he made the entire universe' thought.

reminds me of that other miracle the feeding of the five thousand
thesedays of ocurse we know it as cod in breadcrumbs

First off all the fish would not die.

Secondly, I'm sure God had the power to make all of the fish hippo's had he chose to.

You explained nothing. You said all of the fish in the water would die. That is simply not true.

Amal there you go with those hippos again.

so what are you saying now
it was hippo in breadcrumbs

so much controversy on what caused this, yet so much theories and evidence to back it up.. but noone really knows.. i believe it happend.. but ive never given much insight on what caused it, but thanks all for posting on this, ive read all your insights!!!! thanks guys....

All fish, corals, seaweeds and other animals living in the demersal zone - ie sea bed or close to the shores - would die as a result of the lack or sunlight and atmospheric pressure of 7 miles of water above them.......

Whether any pelagic and freshwater fish survive would depend on where all this water came from - ie fresh water or salt water? One or other groups would die.

All of which affects the food chains as well. Chances are, after 150 days most sea life would have died out.......

Oh what a load of bullshit. Did every fish in the sea die in the recent Tsunami? I don't think so. Is there any mass die-out of fish when it rains in the middle of the Atlanic ocea for days on end. NO.

You do realize storms begin on the ocean right?

People that believe a man can evolve from a speck of dust from an asteroid, to a fish, to an ape-man all by it's little self can't concieve of a 40 DAY flood, triggered by asteroid hits tsunami's etc, which ended up in an Ice Age. You DO realize there WAS an Ice Age right? By your accounts there BE no fish during that era.

comparing one tsunami to a global flood? not quite the same thing!

you never answered where all the extra water came from either!

and i can tell you have put so much work into studying evo since your last post

Duh
grasping at straws ashley
grasping at straws

Why would any of the reasons Essan posted be relevant to the tsunami?



You are saying the rain lasted less that a week? That the addition of fresh water from rain was negligable? That would mean a flood considerably less global than the bible seems to indicate. How large is your flood?



Conceiving of the idea is easy. So is conceiving of the idea that we can travel to Mars, Neptune, and Pluto. An idea, however, is merely an idea. If it presumes to be an actual event that occured in the past, it needs to meet far more stringent requirements. Sure, your idea is possible. It just isn't too probable.



You do know that none of the ice ages ever covered the entire Earth, right? That there was always a temperate zone?

The flood lasted for 40 days.

If only man was evil why did God have to kill all the animals?

God destroyed life on the earth with a flood. It would have been impossible to fit every animal on the earth in the ark. It would be much more practical to take only two of each. That way there would be more room, and you could keep the species going.

If God was all powerful then he would not have needed to have an ark built. With a wave of his hand man would have been no more.


Bye Bye

Yes, but by the Flood and the Ark, people questioned Noah and made fun of him. God gave people the chance to get on the ark, however nobody believed it.

So, they died.

It makes a good story, give the writer of the book some leniency.

I think the only way to prove that a global flood occured would be to find a part of the ark on Ararat.

But over time, the wood from the boat would be well rotten away.

This is a great site for flood myths and they pre-date the Christian Bible story: Flood Origins.

no thats a talk origins site

its just about the most unreliable sites on the net for factual information
apart from atlantis rising
http://www.atlantisrising.com/

marduk

LOL!

lol
i am not affiliated with that Marduk who is obviously just another false god

ooh! now we're talkin' shop!

No not shop
Sacriledge
I'm thinking up seven plagues to send against him right now

I mean false gods. What's your take on gods or God? Were the Egyptians belief in gods right or wrong? Or were they just trying to establish higher traits to what they did not understand and label them gods?

Yeah....I was wondering what marduk's take on that subject was..

I'm a babylonian pantheist
nuff said ?

http://www.answers.com/pantheist&r=67
http://www.answers.com/babylonian&r=67

Now that's funny!

Atlantis, go read my post on 'Orion - The Throne of God' in the S&S forum. Were the Egyptians right? In my opinoin, many of their 'gods' were angels, and they have the descriptions OF angels (like the half human half animal Cherubim represntative of the 4 fixed signs of the Zodiac), and yet they stated that (in pre-dynasty/Enoch era times) that the Throne of GOD was Orion. They als had Thoth the scribe, which was another name for Enoch (Enoch was Ethiopian), and they were influenced by these fallen angels from Enoch (like the mascara/eyeliner they used, taught, amongst other things, by the angel Azazel or A'siel).

I wouldn't say it's entirely right, I'd say cultural influences post-flood changed their religion, but initally, they had many similarities. No one actually knows where the Egyptians came from, and they were the first to write - not in stages - jus out of the blue. Both Enoch, and another angel taught writing with th use of INK and PAPYRUS PAPER.

Hmmm, i didnt see the 7-comets hitting the oceans worldwide flood in the poll.
I do believe the flood happened, and there is good evidence for it.

My previous topic on the flood

Interesting

Yeah, well that's why I didn't vote. It's says in order asteroids hit ocean - tsunamis - global climatic changes - global flood (WITH tsunamis) - Ice Age.

This is taking Enoch into account also, which pre-dates Genesis. Genesis came from Jubilees, Jubilees quotes the book of Enoch and event therein.

Ahh, just read your post (I've been saying the same thing here for ages about asteroids/flood etc), BUT those 7 stars were planets not comets. The asteroid part came from the 'anegls throwing rocks' into the ocean etc.

Now, those 7 stars, were IN order, every single planet in our Solar system (besides the Earth which we live on, and the Sun and Moon talked about spearately). Enoch was ON Pluto, it talks about this place being the hell of the angels at the 'egde of the universe' being an icy wasteland etc. That's Pluto. Above him were 7 stars bound together (in orbit), one was like a peral (Mercury), two were red (Venus and Mars) two were like JASPER. Now Jasper is BANDED and the same orange/white/reddish colorings as Jasper is. Then there were two like Sapphires (blue) Neptune and Uranus, and they were ALL above him from this place in the Heavens, an icy wasteland that was the ultimate end for these angels Pluto. Little wonder Pluto has always been associated with Hades.

Both Enoch, and another angel taught writing with th use of INK and PAPYRUS PAPER
you know very little about real history ashley
that much is certain

I have. Not sure what to think about it. I'll get back to you.

Fyi Writing was invented by the sumerians. and everyone knows where the egyptians came from
apart from ashley
Writing predates the invention of papyrus by several thousand years.