Thks Marduk, I wondered what that big email coming through was

btw I've never been to Newgrange - built c3,200BC. But I have been to Castlerigg Stone Circle - also built c3,200BC

That is synchronicity marduk. We do have some pretty amazing history in this part of the world.

LOL
essan this is a chapter that wasn't in the earlier copy you got.
something i left out because it isn't 100% factual
but it is 100% logical
see map
A is the preselli mountains in wales where stonehenge gets its sarsen (upright) stones from
B is milford haven where the bluestones originate that are used at stonehenge
C is stonehenge
The yellow lines with direction of travel arrows are the route that orthodox science claims the stones were bought by utilising log rollers.
The purple line shows the most logical route to ship the stones by sea where it passes from the bristol channel into the river avon (blue line). The avon passes less than two miles from the site in wiltshire. So by taking the sea route you would have to handle the stones over just two miles rather than hundreds.

So if you had a choice which way would you go.
There is no scientific evidence to support the log roll theory.
There is scientific evidence to support the sea theory.
divers keep finding sarsen stones on the sea bed along the proposed route
any thoughts

I remember some experiment a few years back to move a stone from Wales to Stonehenge, crossing the Bristol Channel on a raft of some sort - I believe the stone is now at the bottom of the Bristol Channel......

If one introduces seafarers into the equation the issue of how they moved the stones such a distance certainly becomes much simpler...... As, indeed, does the question of why (they did, because they could ) To be honest I've not read up on Stonehenge much in recent years. I assume the reason a proper boat hasn't been considered by archaeologists is.......because bronze age Britons didn't have boats. How do we know? Because archaeologists tell us so.....

Its how they miss the whole astonomical thing that amazes me.
ask them this is what you get
q. did the ancient britons have advanced astronomical knowledge
a Yes of ocurse we know that from the layout of stone circles
q. how did they get their astronomical knowledge
a they got it from building stonehenge

Not the same method that every other race on earth got it then. i.e. by using them to navigate by.
i keep hearing that crap about they used stars to plant their crops and thats why they started noticing them and i despair.
the whole ancient world used a lunar calendar. doh

so if the knowledge that comes from stonehenge was learned by navigation does that tell you what the circles are for.
anyone ever done any land surveying ?
Or Ordinance survey mapping
this stuff is so obvious when you understand it

what boats culd ancient britons use to traverse seas?
i cant seem to find examples on the net...

The ancinet britons didn't have boats
and you seem to have completely missed the point Roswell Man
the astronomical knowledge was built into stonehenge in 3200bce
so whoever built it came from somewhere else.

culd it be phoenicians?
they came to briton to trade for tin i think....

Not in 3200bce they didn't
lol
there was no one to trade with

they only other ones around are the olmecs (sumerians) ....

Lets see now
we're looking for a culture that needed to expand in 3500bce or die
we're looking for a culture that had ocean going craft
we're looking for a culture that could handle stone blocks heavier than 50 tonnes
we're looking for a culture that knew about astronomy
we're looking for a culture that built earth mounds
cos theres plenty of those nearby that date from the same period
3200bce

silbury hill wiltshire 20 miles north of stonehenge

dragon hill uffington 20 miles north of silbury
so i think its safe to say we're looking for a pretty specific culture
anything you want to add this theory Roswell go ahead,
be my guest

some unknown culture in europe seems a good guess then....

Why europe specifically
why unknown ?
hehe

surely a the civ shuld have left a calling card where they are from....
hopefully lucid wont jump the gun and cry 'aliens'

they did


see

i had a thought it could be the nordics....

Wrong time period,
unless you mean the E.T. nordics
Remember this was 700 years before 1 brick had been laid at giza.

What, exactly is it about Jubilees, part of JUDAIC history and religion, which older than '2000' years that Genesis came from, which talks about the account within Enoch, and quotes the BOOK, don't you quite understand?

The dating for Enoch, pre-dating Jubilees, which is where Genesis, the first book of both the Bible and Torah, is at least 8000 years. That is notwithstanding the fact that Judaism, a millenia old religion, was practoced in oral tradition BEFORE it became a written one.

Why doesn't someone carbon date thse tests? Oh wait, I know! That's because carbon dating can't date anything, in it's great power of accuracy, under the age of 50,000 years. How convenient for Evolutionists!

I like you Ahsley
your tiny slender grip on reality is an inspiration to us all

Your opinion Ashley, but not that of Biblical Scholars - I've already posted links demonstrating that both books were written in the last few centuries BC

The Church of Ashley may, of course, care to prove otherwise?

Don't give her a hard time now andy
she needs all the help she can get
criticism will just exacerbate her current mental condition.
in other words
"don't try to put the fire out by pouring petrol on it"
trust me i've tried
it doesn't work

Wow. Marduk...you're smart. I love how you spout off your theories as though they are indisputable and then try and eviscerate others for doing the same. Oh, let's not forget that you accuse people of condemning those who disagree with them while you do exactly that.

Is it appropriate to call a typist a "windbag"? If so, that is what you come across as, what with your incessant bleating and unjustifiable air of superiority. Leave Ashley alone and stop trying to get all schoolyard-bully on someone because they believe differently than you. You're a fraud.

That being said, Im gonna go make a grilled cheese.

I said "Don't give her a hard time now andy" to essan
and you said "Leave Ashley alone "
so you're just an echo
nothing more
oh and are you suggesting you give full credence to Ashley's ideas about god even though they are non christian.

"Don't give her a hard time now andy
she needs all the help she can get
criticism will just exacerbate her current mental condition.
in other words
"don't try to put the fire out by pouring petrol on it"
trust me i've tried
it doesn't work"

That post was sarcastic nonsense. You are saying that you were sincere in telling "andy" not to give her a hard time, and then you insult her intelligence? If so, your schizophrenic changing of position is dizzying and you have lost all credibility as a rational thinker.

The thought that I echoed that drivel is farce.

And there you go again...making assumptions about myself and Xtianity based on incomplete information because you presume to know all.

Thank you for strengthening my position.......oh and by the way...my grilled cheese was scrumptious.

So you don't consider yourself Xtian then
thats interesting

I will tell you what is interesting...that you AGAIN draw an uninformed conclusion. You talk in circles, arguing for the sake of argument.

circles
so you're incapable of providing an answer
are you covering ashley because you agree with her idea of history
or because you are a christian
cos it can't be anything else can it
p.s. you started this argument brains
not me

I started nothing, clown. You attacked me for stating my opinion in what is supposed to be an open forum. You are a pseudo-intellectual who thinks he knows far more than he actually does, and you decided to use my posts to prove your awe-inspiring mental prowess to all of us here. YOU attacked ME.

Since my spiritual orientation seems to be something you simply can not or will not move beyond, I will tell you so that you will stop your mewling. I practice Buddhist thought. That is (allow me to clarify so that there will be no immature attempt to poke a hole in my statement) I attempt, although I am not very good at it, to follow the ways of zen buddhism. I am tolerant of all people's religious orientation and/or beliefs, which is why I can tell you not to mock Ashley, which is all I did in the first place...never endorsing her ideas. YOU put an endorsment in my mouth.

This thread has wandered excessively far off topic and this foolish post-battle has reached the point of lunacy, as your replies and retorts become more and more contrived and vaporous.

You started nothing huh
I'd rather be a clown than a "tinyWhiteWithaHintofPinkLittlePony

every post you've made in this forum so far has been a personal attack
i am now reporting you to the mod team
drop dead

Report me for sticking up for people you call unintelligent and make fun of, eh? Please do.

Sorry I stood up to you.

Trying to put words in my mouth won't help

you didn't stand up to me because i haven't opressed you
you just like mouthing off aparently
This is a poll about the great flood
not your or my ego