As you may or may not know, Intelligent Design (ID) is slowly toppling Darwinism. Here are a few links to prominent ID sites:

http://www.idthefuture.com/
http://www.arn.org/index.html

Of course, Darwinism is a crock, and we are all happy to see it de-bunked. But what happens then?

The world will be forced to come to terms with the fact that we are created. Rather than wait for Humanity to use this realization to draw closer to God, I think our adversary will sieze the opportunity for deception.

Picture it. The world realizes we are created, and before it can sink in, the Nephilim, disguised as 'aliens' land to inform the world that they created us. They 'help' us establish a one-world government and religion, probably saving us from an orchestrated catastrophy in the process. (WWIII?)

They perform many 'miracles' and give us much knowledge which of course is designed to lead the world away from Christ.

They walk among us, and their hybridization agenda is unveiled. Like in the days of Noah, half-breed Demi-gods would be everywhere.

Thoughts?

there is no intelligence to intelligent design. it is a pseudo-scientific bag of maneure.

now darwinism is not accurate (but even it stood above itelligent design). however, a lot has been discovered since darwin's work and discrediting darwin in anyway does nothing to the current models.

intelligent design is a movement of the christian fundies to try and push creationism bunk into schools under the guise of science.

ID belongs in the trash can, not the schools.

and emulating the religious ones in this forum: amen

What if the element of religion were removed from the idea? Religion is extremely inconvenient to people like myself who believe in a higher intelligence, yet think the Bible is pure crap and total fiction. The reputation that organized religion has these days is so bad that anyone who believes in anything involving a Creator is immediately lumped into it (not saying you're doing that hyperactive). I remember being twleve years old and looking around thinking "this is messed up, even being here at all...there's something we don't know", because I found it impossible that such finely tuned machines like the solar system and the physical body could possibly be a chance occurrence. That's too easy...way too easy, to say "oh yeah, everything just fell into place this way, here we are". But, it's the fact that I've never seen a discussion about creation/evolution that doesn't bring up religion that I find frustrating...

What would you say is the chance that it would occure?

'Of course, Darwinism is a crock, and we are all happy to see it de-bunked.'

I think not. Darwinism will never be debunked. We will never have to believe it creationism. To say this and give the link to one non reliable website is not exactly proof.
Nor is one kid calling themselves ekogangsta.

Humans are the only things that we know of, the create widespread trouble and then fix it. Not aliens interferring on Earth.

'They walk among us, and their hybridization agenda is unveiled. Like in the days of Noah, half-breed Demi-gods would be everywhere.'

You need to wake up.

The guy who won the lottery by one in a million chance can always think it is meant to be, or that it is pure probability. I think, probability is a kind of meant to be.

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Dare not speak for all, when you are possessed of an individual opinion.

Darwinism, if one set's aside their predisposition to bias, is a scientific theory, representative of species and environmental development, throughout the ages.
And exampled most simply, by the old axiom; "Change or die."

Darwinism = (Noun)A theory of biological evolution(*edit* RE:Change) developed by Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. Also called Darwinian theory.

As I've said in another posting, it's ironic that Darwinian theory, simply said, embraces the concept of change, in an organisms and species, so as to compete to survive within a changing (evolving) environment. It is therefore a representative irony that fundamentalist thinking is diametrically opposed to that.

Without some kind of intelligence behind it? Pretty slim...like I said, it's way too easy to just say "well, everything just ended up this way, here we are". Removing ALL thought of religion, or God as he/she/it has been preached or taught to you, don't you think this amazing system of evolution, of life throughout Earth's history, all the way back to when we were frogs crawling out of the ocean, might have some organizational construct behind it, which requires intelligence?

No no... give me a figure. Pretty slim can mean one thing for me and a completely different thing for you.

As in take car peices, put them into a giant machine that shakes the peices up and come out with a perfectly working car slim. How about that slimmer than that?

1. Why is god any different?
2. Give me a figure...

How is it that one justifies saying that ID is toppling Evolutionary Theory (I'm assuming that you mean Evolutionary Theory, as Darwinism, as in the original theory, has long since been replaced by neo-Darwinism).

It is a rather bold thing to say, considering the growth of scientific training vs. religious training in countries with advanced education. Since it is not the numbers that support this statement, what exactly provides the basis for it?