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People are constantly arguing if Vampires exists, or if it was something that Bram Stroker invented but where did he get the idea from and why are there all this evidence that sugests that the vampyre could exist.
As far as I know, there has never been concrete undeniable evidence of a vampire
But on the cotrary, Bram stoker gave vampires fangs, he didn't create them. Legends arose before hand of similar beings
But on the cotrary, Bram stoker gave vampires fangs, he didn't create them. Legends arose before hand of similar beings
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Essay Sample on "The Scientific Explanation for the Existence of Vampires"
Vampires have been seen and documented throughout history. The history of vampires goes further back in time than most people realize. The chaldeans, who lived near the Euphrates river in the southwestern part of Asia more than five hundred years before the time of Christ , feared vampire or creatures similar to vampires enough so that they created charms to protect themselves from being attacked by such creatures. The Assyrians and the Babylonians feared a creature similar to a vampire known as an Ekimmu. These creatures known as Ekimmus were believed by the Assyrians to roam the planet searching for food although it was not always a persons blood but rather a persons' vitality or that persons' energy force. It was believed that if such a creature would enter someone's house that person along with his or her family would slowly weaken, get sick and probably die. In the countries of Syria and Palestine references were made to such blood sucking monsters on ancient carved tablets. In Ireland the people believed in these creatures, which they affectionately came to call "red blood suckers" . Due to their belief in these mythical creatures they began the practice of placing stones on these vampires graves to kep them from escaping.This then became standard practice and is still used to this day in the form of a tombstone. Tombstones were used to control ghosts and other spirits instead of their original use in controlling vampires.
Due to the fact that vampires seemed to be so commonplace around the globe, there was a large variety of vampires that differed in shape, behavior and method of becoming a vampire. All of these factors varied from region to region. In the country of Bulgaria a vampire had only one nostril. This Bulgarian vampire would rise out of it's grave nine days after death in the form of a shower of sparks and remained in this shape for a period of forty days. After the completion of these forty days the shower of sparks would regain it's human form. Once human-like the vampire goes from playing childish tricks, which it did in it's "spark" form , to more serious matters , such as the attacking of humans and drinking of their blood. Vampires are well known for their craving for blood but in many countries vampires were not limited to just that substance as part of their diet, but would also consume foods that humans ate such as eggs and rice. That, however, does not mean that their yearn for blood was any weaker than before. Most vampires would attack their victims and suck the blood from puncture wounds made in the neck (The Russian vampire would suck the blood directly from the victims heart). Sometimes the vampire would gorge itself until it had drained the victim completely while other times it would take just enough to satisfy that night's thirst and come back the following night and take a bit more. The method of drinking from the same victim night after night would cause the victim to get weaker and weaker . Due to the fact that the victim was indeed attacked by a vampire, that would mean that upon the victims death they too would become "undead." (. Vampires p22)
Certain cultures around the globe also had systems to recognize vampires. In some cultures vampires were distinguished due to the color of their hair. In most Christian countries vampires could be recognized because they had red hair like Judas Iscariot, the man who betrayed Christ in the bible, was said to have had red hair. Eye color was another tell-tale sign used to identify vampires. In Greece ,where most people have dark colored eyes, vampires were said to have blue eyes, Rumania they were said to have had gray eyes, and in Ireland they had black eyes.
Vampires have been around for centuries , in some cases they have been recognized and feared by cultures that were around thousands of years before the time of Christ, such as the Babylonians and the Assyrians. Throughout the ages many medical explanations that could explain the vampire phenomena have been overlooked. The first reason was the lack of education that many people, because schooling was not an important part of these societies. Their lack of medical knowledge about diseases, some of which are quite rare and hard to explain even to this day was a large factor in the spread of vampire lore. Along with the fact that very uneducated people have always had a tendency of being overly superstitious also contributed to the vampire legend. In 1985 Dr. David Dolphin, Ph.D., a professor of chemistry at the University of British Columbia presented his theory that blood-drinking vampires were not vampires at all but rather victims of a disease known as Porphyria.(Dresser, Norine. American Vampires p171) " Porphyria is an incurable genetic disease which affects at least 50,000 patients in the U.S. that causes sudden symptoms of severe pain , respiratory problems, Skin lesions and sometimes death."(Dresser, Norine. American vampires p171) "Porphyria may well have been responsible for many a vampire tale - especially since the disease is hereditary" (Garden, Nancy. Vampires p98) A person that is affected by Porphyria can seem very scary to the average person since the disease causes the persons gums to tighten. That causes their teeth to be seen much more prominently as well as causing their teeth and nails to gain a fluorescent glow.These traits could then go on to explain the fact that many vampire stories described the vampires as giving off a greenish glow. Victims of this disease are likely to be deformed in other ways as well but usually in the facial area. Because of the skin lesions suffered by victims of Porphyria they are usually very sensitive to light which would cause them to not venture out of their homes until night. This aspect of the lifestyles of people suffering Porphyria would fit in very well
with vampire lore. Garlic was used as a repellent of vampires butmore likely victims of the disease known as Porphyria would have a strange chemical reaction with garlic which would cause the person to have a severe porphyria attack. This would then make that person very reluctant to come close to the garlic since it contains large amounts of Dialkyl Disulfide which destroys Heme in the persons blood ( Heme is the pigmented component of Hemoglobin and related substances found in largest amounts in the bone marrow, red blood cells, and the liver ). The further destruction of Heme in a Porphyria victim would set off a severe allergic reaction. Since Porphyria is also a genetic disease several siblings in a family usually carry the defective gene. While the siblings may share the same defective gene sometimes only one of the siblings will display any of the symptoms . It is known that in many vampire tales , vampires return to attack their sibling or other family members.This along with the fact that Porphyria could be triggered in a person who is genetically predisposed to have the disease by a sudden loss of large amounts of blood. When these factor are taken into consideration, one could say that when a vampire came back to attack a sibling and when the sibling also began to show some vampire characteristics , it could be assumed that the Porphyria gene in the second sibling could have been triggered by the loss of blood which was suffered during the attack by the first sibling or the "vampire." This would make it seem as though the vampire attack had caused the second sibling to turn into a vampire as well.
Plague was another factor which could explain the growth of the vampire legend. In the Stephen King book Salem's Lot which is the story of a town that is infested by Vampires and due to the infestation of vampires causes the town to become a ghost town. In the book it says" But a little over a year ago something began to happen in Jerusalem's Lot that was not unusual, people began to drop out of sight." (King, Stephen. Salem's Lot p15) This phenomenon which is found in Stephen King's book was not at all uncommon in ancient times especially in remote places. Villagers in these remote places would have believed that blood was a Vital substance that gave life. Since they did not know much about disease their lack of knowledge of diseases and their lack of medical practitioners in these remote areas would give the perfect opportunity for their superstitious beliefs to come into play. If suddenly much of the town began to fall ill at the same time and they all displayed similar symptoms such as weight loss , weakness and paleness they would think that these people must have been drained of the vital substance, blood. Searching for an explanation without any medical knowledge the one thing that would make sense to them would be that a vampire was on the loose while the fact that the town could be in the middle of an epidemic such as the black plague during the Dark Ages. In Stephen King's book a town would just seem to disappear for no reason and the only explanation would be vampires. In the Dark ages the situation would be very similar to that in the Stephen King book except that in Stephen King's book the vampires are real.
Tuberculosis or consumption as it was often called is a disease that although was not highly contagious was a very common disease up until the mid-1800's . The beginning stages of this disease do not contain very recognizable symptoms.By the time the symptoms showed up (such as weight loss and fatigue which is where the name consumption came from) the disease was already in it's later stages. Tuberculosis would have been very difficult to diagnose by people with no medical knowledge especially when the most serious symptoms of the disease such as coughing and spitting up blood were not present. Tuberculosis was often openly confused with vampirism as was the case when in the mid- 1800's the corpses of many victims of Tuberculosis were treated as vampires and buried face down or by being dug up and burned when members of their families suddenly came down with Tuberculosis.(Garden,Nancy. Vampires p69)
The mental aspect of vampires has always seemed to be that of someone who was not in their right mind. In Anne Rice's book The Vampire Lestat at one point one of the vampires in the book just looks at the other one and simply says "You're the mad one." ( Rice, Anne. The Vampire Lestat p73) not realizing that madness plays a large part towards explaining the vampire legend as well as other mental conditions. One of these conditions which could explain the vampire legend is the condition known as a cataleptic condition which many times is brought
Vampires have been seen and documented throughout history. The history of vampires goes further back in time than most people realize. The chaldeans, who lived near the Euphrates river in the southwestern part of Asia more than five hundred years before the time of Christ , feared vampire or creatures similar to vampires enough so that they created charms to protect themselves from being attacked by such creatures. The Assyrians and the Babylonians feared a creature similar to a vampire known as an Ekimmu. These creatures known as Ekimmus were believed by the Assyrians to roam the planet searching for food although it was not always a persons blood but rather a persons' vitality or that persons' energy force. It was believed that if such a creature would enter someone's house that person along with his or her family would slowly weaken, get sick and probably die. In the countries of Syria and Palestine references were made to such blood sucking monsters on ancient carved tablets. In Ireland the people believed in these creatures, which they affectionately came to call "red blood suckers" . Due to their belief in these mythical creatures they began the practice of placing stones on these vampires graves to kep them from escaping.This then became standard practice and is still used to this day in the form of a tombstone. Tombstones were used to control ghosts and other spirits instead of their original use in controlling vampires.
Due to the fact that vampires seemed to be so commonplace around the globe, there was a large variety of vampires that differed in shape, behavior and method of becoming a vampire. All of these factors varied from region to region. In the country of Bulgaria a vampire had only one nostril. This Bulgarian vampire would rise out of it's grave nine days after death in the form of a shower of sparks and remained in this shape for a period of forty days. After the completion of these forty days the shower of sparks would regain it's human form. Once human-like the vampire goes from playing childish tricks, which it did in it's "spark" form , to more serious matters , such as the attacking of humans and drinking of their blood. Vampires are well known for their craving for blood but in many countries vampires were not limited to just that substance as part of their diet, but would also consume foods that humans ate such as eggs and rice. That, however, does not mean that their yearn for blood was any weaker than before. Most vampires would attack their victims and suck the blood from puncture wounds made in the neck (The Russian vampire would suck the blood directly from the victims heart). Sometimes the vampire would gorge itself until it had drained the victim completely while other times it would take just enough to satisfy that night's thirst and come back the following night and take a bit more. The method of drinking from the same victim night after night would cause the victim to get weaker and weaker . Due to the fact that the victim was indeed attacked by a vampire, that would mean that upon the victims death they too would become "undead." (. Vampires p22)
Certain cultures around the globe also had systems to recognize vampires. In some cultures vampires were distinguished due to the color of their hair. In most Christian countries vampires could be recognized because they had red hair like Judas Iscariot, the man who betrayed Christ in the bible, was said to have had red hair. Eye color was another tell-tale sign used to identify vampires. In Greece ,where most people have dark colored eyes, vampires were said to have blue eyes, Rumania they were said to have had gray eyes, and in Ireland they had black eyes.
Vampires have been around for centuries , in some cases they have been recognized and feared by cultures that were around thousands of years before the time of Christ, such as the Babylonians and the Assyrians. Throughout the ages many medical explanations that could explain the vampire phenomena have been overlooked. The first reason was the lack of education that many people, because schooling was not an important part of these societies. Their lack of medical knowledge about diseases, some of which are quite rare and hard to explain even to this day was a large factor in the spread of vampire lore. Along with the fact that very uneducated people have always had a tendency of being overly superstitious also contributed to the vampire legend. In 1985 Dr. David Dolphin, Ph.D., a professor of chemistry at the University of British Columbia presented his theory that blood-drinking vampires were not vampires at all but rather victims of a disease known as Porphyria.(Dresser, Norine. American Vampires p171) " Porphyria is an incurable genetic disease which affects at least 50,000 patients in the U.S. that causes sudden symptoms of severe pain , respiratory problems, Skin lesions and sometimes death."(Dresser, Norine. American vampires p171) "Porphyria may well have been responsible for many a vampire tale - especially since the disease is hereditary" (Garden, Nancy. Vampires p98) A person that is affected by Porphyria can seem very scary to the average person since the disease causes the persons gums to tighten. That causes their teeth to be seen much more prominently as well as causing their teeth and nails to gain a fluorescent glow.These traits could then go on to explain the fact that many vampire stories described the vampires as giving off a greenish glow. Victims of this disease are likely to be deformed in other ways as well but usually in the facial area. Because of the skin lesions suffered by victims of Porphyria they are usually very sensitive to light which would cause them to not venture out of their homes until night. This aspect of the lifestyles of people suffering Porphyria would fit in very well
with vampire lore. Garlic was used as a repellent of vampires butmore likely victims of the disease known as Porphyria would have a strange chemical reaction with garlic which would cause the person to have a severe porphyria attack. This would then make that person very reluctant to come close to the garlic since it contains large amounts of Dialkyl Disulfide which destroys Heme in the persons blood ( Heme is the pigmented component of Hemoglobin and related substances found in largest amounts in the bone marrow, red blood cells, and the liver ). The further destruction of Heme in a Porphyria victim would set off a severe allergic reaction. Since Porphyria is also a genetic disease several siblings in a family usually carry the defective gene. While the siblings may share the same defective gene sometimes only one of the siblings will display any of the symptoms . It is known that in many vampire tales , vampires return to attack their sibling or other family members.This along with the fact that Porphyria could be triggered in a person who is genetically predisposed to have the disease by a sudden loss of large amounts of blood. When these factor are taken into consideration, one could say that when a vampire came back to attack a sibling and when the sibling also began to show some vampire characteristics , it could be assumed that the Porphyria gene in the second sibling could have been triggered by the loss of blood which was suffered during the attack by the first sibling or the "vampire." This would make it seem as though the vampire attack had caused the second sibling to turn into a vampire as well.
Plague was another factor which could explain the growth of the vampire legend. In the Stephen King book Salem's Lot which is the story of a town that is infested by Vampires and due to the infestation of vampires causes the town to become a ghost town. In the book it says" But a little over a year ago something began to happen in Jerusalem's Lot that was not unusual, people began to drop out of sight." (King, Stephen. Salem's Lot p15) This phenomenon which is found in Stephen King's book was not at all uncommon in ancient times especially in remote places. Villagers in these remote places would have believed that blood was a Vital substance that gave life. Since they did not know much about disease their lack of knowledge of diseases and their lack of medical practitioners in these remote areas would give the perfect opportunity for their superstitious beliefs to come into play. If suddenly much of the town began to fall ill at the same time and they all displayed similar symptoms such as weight loss , weakness and paleness they would think that these people must have been drained of the vital substance, blood. Searching for an explanation without any medical knowledge the one thing that would make sense to them would be that a vampire was on the loose while the fact that the town could be in the middle of an epidemic such as the black plague during the Dark Ages. In Stephen King's book a town would just seem to disappear for no reason and the only explanation would be vampires. In the Dark ages the situation would be very similar to that in the Stephen King book except that in Stephen King's book the vampires are real.
Tuberculosis or consumption as it was often called is a disease that although was not highly contagious was a very common disease up until the mid-1800's . The beginning stages of this disease do not contain very recognizable symptoms.By the time the symptoms showed up (such as weight loss and fatigue which is where the name consumption came from) the disease was already in it's later stages. Tuberculosis would have been very difficult to diagnose by people with no medical knowledge especially when the most serious symptoms of the disease such as coughing and spitting up blood were not present. Tuberculosis was often openly confused with vampirism as was the case when in the mid- 1800's the corpses of many victims of Tuberculosis were treated as vampires and buried face down or by being dug up and burned when members of their families suddenly came down with Tuberculosis.(Garden,Nancy. Vampires p69)
The mental aspect of vampires has always seemed to be that of someone who was not in their right mind. In Anne Rice's book The Vampire Lestat at one point one of the vampires in the book just looks at the other one and simply says "You're the mad one." ( Rice, Anne. The Vampire Lestat p73) not realizing that madness plays a large part towards explaining the vampire legend as well as other mental conditions. One of these conditions which could explain the vampire legend is the condition known as a cataleptic condition which many times is brought
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this is the wrong forum for this
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The first vampire on record was Lilith
she was originally a sumerian moon goddes called bel iti
when babylon rose she became lilitu
when the jews heard about her they called her a demon and claimed she preyed on children
she was the original format for the succubus of greek legend that became the vampire we know today
so you see roswell
it is in the right section really
but only if you want the original story and not the legend that stoker popularised
Dracula was based on vlad tepes.
his title was son of the dragon (dracul = dragon/ a = son)
he was a fearsome warrior and is the man responsible for halting the turkish invasion of europe in 1462
The following is an account from the Greek historian Chalkondyles of what greeted the invaders:
"He [the Sultan] marched on for about five kilometers when he saw his men impaled; the Sultan's army came across a field with stakes, about three kilometers long and one kilometer wide. And there were large stakes on which they could see the impaled bodies of men, women, and children, about twenty thousand of them, as they said; quite a spectacle for the Turks and the Sultan himself! The Sultan, in wonder, kept saying that he could not conquer the country of a man who could do such terrible and unnatural things, and put his power and his subjects to such use. He also used to say that this man who did such things would be worthy of more. And the other Turks, seeing so many people impaled, were scared out of their wits. There were babies clinging to their mothers on the stakes, and birds had made nests in their breasts."
so the turks changed their trousers and went home.
otherwise, we'd all be speaking turkish today and america would be a moslem country
not a bad bloke really
but i wouldn't want him as a friend
she was originally a sumerian moon goddes called bel iti
when babylon rose she became lilitu
when the jews heard about her they called her a demon and claimed she preyed on children
she was the original format for the succubus of greek legend that became the vampire we know today
so you see roswell
it is in the right section really
but only if you want the original story and not the legend that stoker popularised
Dracula was based on vlad tepes.
his title was son of the dragon (dracul = dragon/ a = son)
he was a fearsome warrior and is the man responsible for halting the turkish invasion of europe in 1462
The following is an account from the Greek historian Chalkondyles of what greeted the invaders:
"He [the Sultan] marched on for about five kilometers when he saw his men impaled; the Sultan's army came across a field with stakes, about three kilometers long and one kilometer wide. And there were large stakes on which they could see the impaled bodies of men, women, and children, about twenty thousand of them, as they said; quite a spectacle for the Turks and the Sultan himself! The Sultan, in wonder, kept saying that he could not conquer the country of a man who could do such terrible and unnatural things, and put his power and his subjects to such use. He also used to say that this man who did such things would be worthy of more. And the other Turks, seeing so many people impaled, were scared out of their wits. There were babies clinging to their mothers on the stakes, and birds had made nests in their breasts."
so the turks changed their trousers and went home.
otherwise, we'd all be speaking turkish today and america would be a moslem country
not a bad bloke really
but i wouldn't want him as a friend
I understand what you mean by other vampire legends and how they came befor Bram Strokers vampire but I mean most of the time people automaticaly think of Count Dracula the one Bram thought to make out of. They dont think about history, if they read about Vald in a biography perhaps the would realize he was a warrior, a person of battle and perhaps went a little over boad in fighting and blood shed but clearly wasnt a vampire the way Bram portrayed him to be.
Dracula is an induviual, and a vampire is a group-
Almost like another kind of discrimination
I'll see if I can get a mod to merge this with the thread in crypto
Almost like another kind of discrimination
I'll see if I can get a mod to merge this with the thread in crypto
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I understand what you mean by other vampire legends and how they came befor Bram Strokers vampire but I mean most of the time people automaticaly think of Count Dracula the one Bram thought to make out of. They dont think about history, if they read about Vald in a biography perhaps the would realize he was a warrior, a person of battle and perhaps went a little over boad in fighting and blood shed but clearly wasnt a vampire the way Bram portrayed him to be.
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Lol actually you're still being misled
the dracula story wasn't popular in stokers lifetime
because of the sexual nature it was universally shunned by a general population that invented long table cloths to stop anyone getting excited from looking at the legs and came up with the body piercing "the prince albert" designed to keep a mans erection firmly chained to his leg.
Stoker died in poverty.
It wasn't until Bela Lugosi appeared in the broadway stage version that Dracula skyrocketed. He was hired to play the lead in the first hollywood dracula and the rest as they say is history. The passion was dying down until anne rice came along and reinjected sex into the mould.
I'm sure you girls will agree that if the vampire isn't drop dead gorgeous no way are yopu gonna let him bite your neck.....right ?
Other wise he's just a leech on legs like the rest of the male population....right sisters
http://www.feminist.com/
where do i sign up
Listen to them children of the night what sweet music they make.
of course vampirism has always featured highly in the best fetish clubs
Not that i know anything about that at all
I don't go out to clubs ever ok. Someone told me about it
i don't even drink ok.
I DO NOT DRINK WINE.
oh ffs. ok i'll come quietly dr van helsing just let me finish typing this mes...........
"Sorry to disturb you. Reality control. you can go about your buisness, move along
move along........................"
Interesting, I just researched Porphyria for Ruby to do a speech on in science.
Here's some piccies we found.
Here's some piccies we found.
Victims of Porphyria would not be strong enough to attack and overpower healthy humans. It is more likely that victims of the disease faced unjust ridicule and were made the subject of persecution due to fear and ignorance.
aint it true in blble adam first wife before eve was thrown out of the garden and cursed to be vampire or somethhing like that?
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aint it true in blble adam first wife before eve was thrown out of the garden and cursed to be vampire or somethhing like that?
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I have no idea where you would have heard such a thing. Adam and Eve were thrown out together, and they were in no way cursed to be vampires. I've not even heard of anything remotely similar to that.
i hear this on a show on Aand E channel called mysteries of the bible!
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i hear this on a show on Aand E channel called mysteries of the bible!
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"Television" is a great source of beguilement.
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The first vampire on record was Lilith
she was originally a sumerian moon goddes called bel iti
when babylon rose she became lilitu
when the jews heard about her they called her a demon and claimed she preyed on children
she was the original format for the succubus of greek legend that became the vampire we know today
she was originally a sumerian moon goddes called bel iti
when babylon rose she became lilitu
when the jews heard about her they called her a demon and claimed she preyed on children
she was the original format for the succubus of greek legend that became the vampire we know today
Ahi hay Lilitu!
Ok, let's get away from Vampire: the Masquerade a minute... although many of their vampire legends are based in actual legends, the most they should appear on a serious discussion like this is Rod Ferrel, a vampire cult leader/serial killer who based his crimes on the belief that he was from V:TM's Tremere clan(a clan of wizards who made themselves vampires to be immortal) and could use Thurmaturgy to open the gates of hell and unleash Gehenna(V:TM's end of the vampire world).
The real legend of Lilith (biblical-era Hebrew that it's age is debated) doesn't have her recorded as a vampire- it has her recorded as a cannibal. The legend seriously smacks of hatred against women, and was probably the most sexist dreck I ever read.
The first person on record to be acknowledged as a vampire was Erzebet Bathory(1560-1604). She was acknowledged as a vampire after her investigation and trial in 1609, a good 125 years before the word vampire was even coined for criminals who were murderously motivated by blood in 1734. Other people who were eventually declared vampires by proxy, such as Vlad the Impaler and Gilles De Rais were initally not considered to be vampires.
Thanks for that essay, Fox Lupine, it's very interesting, I feel like spending hours reading more about the subject now.
I found this very good too:
"...Vampires in history and culture
Tales of the dead craving blood are ancient. In Homer's Odyssey, for example, the shades that Odysseus meets on his journey to the underworld are lured to the blood of freshly sacrificed rams, a fact which Odysseus uses to his advantage to summon the shade of Tiresias. Roman fables describe the strix, a nocturnal bird that fed on human flesh and blood.
Some Slavic peoples believed in vampires as early as the 4th century. In their mythology, a vampire drank blood, was afraid of (but could not be killed by) silver, and could be destroyed by cutting off its head and putting it between the corpse's legs, or by putting a wooden stake into its heart.
Medieval historians and chroniclers Walter Map and William of Newburgh recorded the earliest English stories of vampires in the 12th century.
In popular western culture, vampires are depicted as unaging, intelligent, and mystically endowed in many ways. The vampire typically has a variety of notable abilities. These include great strength and immunity to any lasting effect of any injury by mundane means, with specific exceptions. Vampires can also change into a mist, wolf, or bat; and some can control the minds of others. They typically have extended canines or fangs.
It is believed that vampires have no reflection, as traditionally it was thought that mirrors reflected your soul and creatures of evil have no soul. Fiction has extended this belief to an actual aversion to mirrors, as depicted in Bram Stoker's novel Dracula when the vampire casts Harker's shaving mirror out of the window..." it's very long so I won't post it here, you can read the whole of it HERE
I found this very good too:
"...Vampires in history and culture
Tales of the dead craving blood are ancient. In Homer's Odyssey, for example, the shades that Odysseus meets on his journey to the underworld are lured to the blood of freshly sacrificed rams, a fact which Odysseus uses to his advantage to summon the shade of Tiresias. Roman fables describe the strix, a nocturnal bird that fed on human flesh and blood.
Some Slavic peoples believed in vampires as early as the 4th century. In their mythology, a vampire drank blood, was afraid of (but could not be killed by) silver, and could be destroyed by cutting off its head and putting it between the corpse's legs, or by putting a wooden stake into its heart.
Medieval historians and chroniclers Walter Map and William of Newburgh recorded the earliest English stories of vampires in the 12th century.
In popular western culture, vampires are depicted as unaging, intelligent, and mystically endowed in many ways. The vampire typically has a variety of notable abilities. These include great strength and immunity to any lasting effect of any injury by mundane means, with specific exceptions. Vampires can also change into a mist, wolf, or bat; and some can control the minds of others. They typically have extended canines or fangs.
It is believed that vampires have no reflection, as traditionally it was thought that mirrors reflected your soul and creatures of evil have no soul. Fiction has extended this belief to an actual aversion to mirrors, as depicted in Bram Stoker's novel Dracula when the vampire casts Harker's shaving mirror out of the window..." it's very long so I won't post it here, you can read the whole of it HERE
I KNOW vampires exist. Its just hard nowadays for the not undead ones to drink only blood, because of all the new diseases. And there are not undead ones, I know that too. Vampires are merely people who drink blood. Anything else depends on the species of vamp. Yum.
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Thanks for that essay, Fox Lupine, it's very interesting, I feel like spending hours reading more about the subject now
Why thank you- I didn't write it though
The main problem with the idea of vampirism id the fangs, for example- if a body is dead how do they grow?
Vlad The Impaler is where he got his ideas.... was a bloodthirsty man that use to sit people on poles and let it slide up and out there mouth..... Vlad The Impaler turned into Dracula 
Queen, you might be right... if we were all healthier, there'd be more vampires around 
lol (I had to add that smiley, it's adorable!)
Fox, I thanked ya cause you posted it, I'd have probably never read it if you hadn't posted it, ah?
as for fangs...hmmmm ... they grow cause they're undead?
jcb33, that's true, Vlad Tepes did inspire Stoker, and Dracula was born as a result. I have an superb edition of the novel, there's an excellent analysis at the beginning, but it's in Spanish and it's too long to translate and post... but yes, you're right.
lol (I had to add that smiley, it's adorable!)Fox, I thanked ya cause you posted it, I'd have probably never read it if you hadn't posted it, ah?
as for fangs...hmmmm ... they grow cause they're undead?jcb33, that's true, Vlad Tepes did inspire Stoker, and Dracula was born as a result. I have an superb edition of the novel, there's an excellent analysis at the beginning, but it's in Spanish and it's too long to translate and post... but yes, you're right.
This is all very interesting, I would just like to thank everyone who posted nformation
i don't know if vampires r real or not, but there have been reports of people who tryed to find them(usaly around New York City) and dissapeared.
now if thats true or not i really don't know, but its the best i can come up with
but real or not, stories of vampires will forever be apart of our culture. till the last man dies
now if thats true or not i really don't know, but its the best i can come up with
but real or not, stories of vampires will forever be apart of our culture. till the last man dies
It is really up to yourself if you think they exsist or not ! but i do believe in them..... but there us the fact that someone made these creatures up out of the blue ? i doubt it very much
QUOTE(Sanidia Vortez @ Jun 8 2005, 12:45 AM)
It is really up to yourself if you think they exsist or not ! but i do believe in them..... but there us the fact that someone made these creatures up out of the blue ? i doubt it very much
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Some are exaggerated, I believe that. But mass murderers have also been called vampires before, I have a whole book on it. Some are disturbed, some just like blood, others cant help it. There are many different categories, so you should only really believe the basics, and add what you think are accurate cling ons. People do have a tendency to exaggerate, though.
I have canines that are fangs though, by the way, and I havent sharpened them, but I accidentally draw blood every once in a while, it is addicting really. Some people just have long canines, and regular teeth can draw blood too, if the pressure is right. Learned that from fighting with my sister. Ouch.
http://www.donlinke.com/drakula/vlad.htm
That website has some pretty good info on Vlad Tepes if anyone is interested.
That website has some pretty good info on Vlad Tepes if anyone is interested.
Tia them you posted are very scary.
Thanks for the link, Kilala. It is very interesting.
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I have canines that are fangs though, by the way, and I havent sharpened them, but I accidentally draw blood every once in a while, it is addicting really. Some people just have long canines, and regular teeth can draw blood too, if the pressure is right. Learned that from fighting with my sister. Ouch.
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Your not a vampire, if vampires exist I can only think of them as demon possesed beings or something similar, I just wonder why some ppl nowdays drink blood and then call themselves vampires
I know a psychic vampire, he's a good friend. And i can tell you he's not dead, but he does drink blood from those who give it to him.. And he can drain your life force if he is not careful. so he's about as real as they get to me..
QUOTE(marduk @ May 31 2005, 09:09 PM)
The first vampire on record was Lilith
she was originally a sumerian moon goddes called bel iti
when babylon rose she became lilitu
when the jews heard about her they called her a demon and claimed she preyed on children
she was the original format for the succubus of greek legend that became the vampire we know today
she was originally a sumerian moon goddes called bel iti
when babylon rose she became lilitu
when the jews heard about her they called her a demon and claimed she preyed on children
she was the original format for the succubus of greek legend that became the vampire we know today
(first of all, my english aint all that good, so pleas I`m trying my best
)Lilith was no godess, she was the fist woman god made 4 adam. But she would`nt bow down to his will and then became cursed 2 live in the protection of the nigth or whatever-(read you bible
) She became the godess of the "sister of darkness" something somethin- i dont remeber this so good but i know she started out like this darkmage/higpriestess and suposedly can be summend only by females.*lol* but back 2 the topic
vampires are wery real! not in the form of a undead living on human blood ( i guess you all have heard the mythz ) But they exist in the form of twisted people and they`r form of fantasy.The realy creepy thing is that they belive in this so hard, they become dangerus.
Some of them also trurn to cannibalism
I dont entend 2 trash your opinions people- but i fugure, if vamires did exist in the form of undeads whit no empathy or consept of right/wrong, ther would be alott more death and masshysteria
Edited for language. Curse words don't enhance your language skills, Tari.
Look in the other Vampire thread...I have spoken, answer.
Hi Arsenik, I think there are alot if people who do not know what it means to be a real vampire. To bad for them i guess. 
look i am doing a report on vampires and i was just wondering if any of you guys know where i can go to find out if vampires are real??? i tryed google and ask, but i just couldnt find out if they are really real
someone plz help me
catch you later
Bye
Pearldahl
someone plz help me
catch you later
Bye
Pearldahl
Vampires are known for humans since the beggining of time, Lilith is belived to be the first vampire (female).
If you are interested on vampires check out this site: www.nocturnusonline.net
This site deals with real vampires, not roleplayers. It explaines everything about vampirism, please dont think that its fake, its not!
If you are interested on vampires check out this site: www.nocturnusonline.net
This site deals with real vampires, not roleplayers. It explaines everything about vampirism, please dont think that its fake, its not!
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Look in the other Vampire thread...I have spoken, answer.
well he isn't called the offical UM vampire for nothing
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well he isn't called the offical UM vampire for nothing
He is UM's wannabe vampire.
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He is UM's wannabe vampire.
no need for the personal insults
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no need for the personal insults
Not a personal insult. He thinks he is a vampire and since they don't exist. He is a wannabe. If he can spout off that he is, I can spout off that he isn't.
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Not a personal insult. He thinks he is a vampire and since they don't exist. He is a wannabe. If he can spout off that he is, I can spout off that he isn't.
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Hi Arsenik, I think there are alot if people who do not know what it means to be a real vampire. To bad for them i guess.
Yeah, too bad for us. We know what real life is.
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Yeah, too bad for us. We know what real life is.
LOL...I don't know why some people pose as a vampire.
yeah...the other vampire thread, I believe I had a bit of my own say in there, although I'm not sure why Arsenik or any other wannabe vamp would draw attention to it, I thinkg we are talking about different vampire threads but heres my favorite;
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...wtopic=3189&hl=
forty-five pages of vampire-staking fun.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...wtopic=3189&hl=
forty-five pages of vampire-staking fun.
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Yeah, too bad for us. We know what real life is.
please stop the insults, and take this topic seriously
It's not an insult, it's true, and besides that, how can someone take such a ridiculous idea seriously in the first place, anyone with even a redmedial education in biology, and beyond that even, someone who is not a completely gullible fool, would KNOW, not just assume, KNOW that vampires are a complete fallacy and they are not physically possible organisms. Don't say "science can't explain everything" either, if you do, you are just attempting to guard yourself with cliches, and failing miserably, the fact of the matter is that science can explain everything, especially with an ideal as impossible as vampires, vampires that are assumed to have some sort of substance would be governed by the physical laws of the dimensions in which they reside, being our dimension, and therefore can not exist. Anyone who claims to be a vampire is lying. They are not, they are people who want attention and for some reason do not put their "creative talents" into a constructive effort.
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It's not an insult, it's true, and besides that, how can someone take such a ridiculous idea seriously in the first place, anyone with even a redmedial education in biology, and beyond that even, someone who is not a completely gullible fool, would KNOW, not just assume, KNOW that vampires are a complete fallacy and they are not physically possible organisms. Don't say "science can't explain everything" either, if you do, you are just attempting to guard yourself with cliches, and failing miserably, the fact of the matter is that science can explain everything, especially with an ideal as impossible as vampires, vampires that are assumed to have some sort of substance would be governed by the physical laws of the dimensions in which they reside, being our dimension, and therefore can not exist. Anyone who claims to be a vampire is lying. They are not, they are people who want attention and for some reason do not put their "creative talents" into a constructive effort.
well thats your opinion
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well thats your opinion
getting all defensive again? Face it creeper. your vampire buddy is not really a vampire.
QUOTE(thecreeper @ Jun 18 2006, 02:19 PM) [snapback]1236257[/snapback]
well thats your opinion
No> Thats a fact.
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getting all defensive again?
I am not
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