hoe about... man destroys himself, so be it! if i survive in the mountains, so be it.
no amount of destruction or amount of animal nature proves or even hints at there being any form of a conscious higher power.
Full Version: The End Times...Here and Now?
Having reread the book of revelations just to reaquaint myself I have come to the same conclusion. The end of times it refers to is most likely the end of organized religion. When John was supposedly asked to write these words he sounds like a man on the edge. Knowing that once people strayed from the following he would have a hard time getting them back and so he frightened them by going to the churches and with what sounds to me like threats he gave them ultimatums to repent or else. The end of rev 22:18 sums up my theory that if you keep the people interested and in fear you will keep them. Just like the stories of Shaharizade, you will keep them coming back for more. If you christians always believe that he's coming back then until you die you will be on the hook. Thats OK just be careful what kind of bait someone might be using.
2000 yrs is enough time to get to know christ, which is why, in this new age of Aquarius, more and more people are questioning Christianity. If he exsisted today, he'd be a hippy at road protests and ban the bomb rallies, curing people at Glastonbury with hands on healing and sharing his bag of chips with 5000 other hippies! And arrested for being a nuisnace to the authorities just like Jesus was...
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2000 yrs is enough time to get to know christ, which is why, in this new age of Aquarius, more and more people are questioning Christianity. If he exsisted today, he'd be a hippy at road protests and ban the bomb rallies, curing people at Glastonbury with hands on healing and sharing his bag of chips with 5000 other hippies! And arrested for being a nuisnace to the authorities just like Jesus was...
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No truer words were spoken.
Reading only the first page of this, this is what I basing my reply on. I am an evolutionist and I feel that Mother Nature is getting angry at our continous destruction and polluting. One day I feel she is going to shake us off like a wet dog shakes off water. I feel that this will happen within the next 150-200 years. Maybe not that long. Actually I don't know when I think it will happen. I sometimes feel it close and sometimes feel farther away from happening.
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Reading only the first page of this, this is what I basing my reply on. I am an evolutionist and I feel that Mother Nature is getting angry at our continous destruction and polluting. One day I feel she is going to shake us off like a wet dog shakes off water. I feel that this will happen within the next 150-200 years. Maybe not that long. Actually I don't know when I think it will happen. I sometimes feel it close and sometimes feel farther away from happening.
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Maybe she will do this when her PMS has climaxed....
alam, you should be happy if the ecosystem shrugs off humanity... that will bring you one step closer to completion of the bible mythology (along with every other millenarian mythology).
you can all be right together, sing along now!
you can all be right together, sing along now!
QUOTE(kaoeki @ Jun 13 2005, 11:31 PM)
Reading only the first page of this, this is what I basing my reply on. I am an evolutionist and I feel that Mother Nature is getting angry at our continous destruction and polluting. One day I feel she is going to shake us off like a wet dog shakes off water. I feel that this will happen within the next 150-200 years. Maybe not that long. Actually I don't know when I think it will happen. I sometimes feel it close and sometimes feel farther away from happening.
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150-200 years?
dont you think it would take a lot lot longer to get rid of this "virus" you call the human race
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 13 2005, 07:19 PM)
alam, you should be happy if the ecosystem shrugs off humanity... that will bring you one step closer to completion of the bible mythology (along with every other millenarian mythology).
you can all be right together, sing along now!
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you can all be right together, sing along now!
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Not really, because if all of humanity were destroyed by nature then I would be incorrect.
ah.. but you would have been half correct..
or is all of this more about you being right than anything else?
or is all of this more about you being right than anything else?
The end times have been around since the beginning of christianity...
I wish I had a dime for every person that has ever claimed the end is nigh...I'd be a very rich man...
Things change, the world changes, but the belief that the world is ending hasn't changed in two millennia...
I wish I had a dime for every person that has ever claimed the end is nigh...I'd be a very rich man...
Things change, the world changes, but the belief that the world is ending hasn't changed in two millennia...
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ah.. but you would have been half correct..
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If man was completely destroyed by nature (and in no way died from any form of demonic force or influence) then I would be completely wrong.
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or is all of this more about you being right than anything else?
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This isn't about me proving that I am right. I just try to inform others of the word. Now, I believe that I am correct. However, I cannot prove anything but In turn neither can any of you (In terms of proving what created our existence.)
The only way I could prove it is if you and I both died, and there turned out to be a god. However, if we both died I am wrong, then you could never prove it to me considering we would be erased from existence.
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The end times have been around since the beginning of christianity...
I wish I had a dime for every person that has ever claimed the end is nigh
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The bible even says that many will say "the end is here!"
Christ tells them not to believe, unless certain things have come to pass.
"When these things come to pass, you will know the end is near."
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Jun 14 2005, 12:22 PM)
The end times have been around since the beginning of christianity...
I wish I had a dime for every person that has ever claimed the end is nigh...I'd be a very rich man...
Things change, the world changes, but the belief that the world is ending hasn't changed in two millennia...
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I wish I had a dime for every person that has ever claimed the end is nigh...I'd be a very rich man...
Things change, the world changes, but the belief that the world is ending hasn't changed in two millennia...
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The early CHristians were also waiting for the end times to approach. Paul went out of his way to tell them not to wait, but to get on with their lives.
THere will always be people who claim the end is nigh (as FluffyBunny has pointed out), but the kingdom of God will come like a thief in the night. no one knows when it will come except God.
Regards,
According to the founder of the religion, it was supposed to have happened around 2000 years ago, before that generation passed away - it didn't which negates the whole end of the world schtick! 
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According to the founder of the religion, it was supposed to have happened around 2000 years ago, before that generation passed away - it didn't which negates the whole end of the world schtick!
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No, it was not supposed to happen 2000 years ago. If it was, Paul would not have told the people who were waiting to stop waiting.
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No, it was not supposed to happen 2000 years ago. If it was, Paul would not have told the people who were waiting to stop waiting.
So you are going to take a mere man's word against your God's sacred word? Than is not how to make points with him! You just got down graded from a mansion to a hovel!
Alright Mako, where do you get your information that Jesus was supposed to return 2000 years ago?
and btw, the writings of Paul are scripture. Mere man he may be, but inspired by God, his words are.
and btw, the writings of Paul are scripture. Mere man he may be, but inspired by God, his words are.
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According to the founder of the religion, it was supposed to have happened around 2000 years ago, before that generation passed away - it didn't which negates the whole end of the world schtick!
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No, it wasnt.
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Alright Mako, where do you get your information that Jesus was supposed to return 2000 years ago?
From Matt 16-27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works
and from Matt 16-28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom
Please don't try that old garbage about the Transfiguration - you gotta go before you can return and don't try that "He didn't say how many times he was going to return" ploy - he hasn't returned yet, so that would only leave the Rev return. Also, you can't use the resurrection because he did not descend from heaven surrounded by angels, nor can you use the ascension, he went up not down! There are at least one other place where he says the same thing, but I don't have it at hand and will look for it later.
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Alright Mako, where do you get your information that Jesus was supposed to return 2000 years ago?
From Matt 16-27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works
and from Matt 16-28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom
Please don't try that old garbage about the Transfiguration - you gotta go before you can return and don't try that "He didn't say how many times he was going to return" ploy - he hasn't returned yet, so that would only leave the Rev return. Also, you can't use the resurrection because he did not descend from heaven surrounded by angels, nor can you use the ascension, he went up not down! There are at least one other place where he says the same thing, but I don't have it at hand and will look for it later.
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Well obviously you have everything covered. I guess I'm just gonna have to lie down, admit defeat and wail in abject terror for the rest of my days.............
Edit - for the record, the transfirguration and subsequent resurrection are valid (feel free to disagree though. You probably will)
The last days of what? We are IMO in the last days of world wide Democracy and Freedom.....
.......the population of America is getting fatter and dumber by the day....
...compare WWII's generation and the way they handled 'the enemy' with the current population........
....if America falls to the guises of Totalitarianism (in any of its various forms) the Days of Freedom on Earth will pass....
...from history we know this: Empires come and empires go...America is no different...the population of Rome was the last to know that Rome was falling....
.......the population of America is getting fatter and dumber by the day....
...compare WWII's generation and the way they handled 'the enemy' with the current population........
....if America falls to the guises of Totalitarianism (in any of its various forms) the Days of Freedom on Earth will pass....
...from history we know this: Empires come and empires go...America is no different...the population of Rome was the last to know that Rome was falling....
I think we are in the end of the Republic times, with the time of Empire drawing ever closer. We are showing most of the signs that the Romans showed just before Julius seized power.
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According to the founder of the religion, it was supposed to have happened around 2000 years ago, before that generation passed away - it didn't which negates the whole end of the world schtick!
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im not a futurist, but rather a partial preterist.
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im not a futurist, but rather a partial preterist.
Personally, I am a it'llneverhappenist!
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I guess I'm just gonna have to lie down, admit defeat and wail in abject terror for the rest of my days
Maybe taking up a nice quite hobby like collecting string and doing yoga deep breathing exercises will restore you to a healthy mental balance. Just a suggetion.
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im not a futurist, but rather a partial preterist.
Personally, I am a it'llneverhappenist!
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And I am a it'sjustamythist
I'm an enjoyingthiscrapist. 
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Please don't try that old garbage about the Transfiguration -
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He was showed them in the Transfiguration. Just like John. John saw the future, just as if he was there. His story is in Revelation.
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And I am a it'sjustamythist
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I'm an enjoyingthiscrapist.
Evidentally Amalgamut is a "I'llbelieveanymythogist".
QUOTE(BFG @ Jun 14 2005, 10:15 AM)
Alright Mako, where do you get your information that Jesus was supposed to return 2000 years ago?
and btw, the writings of Paul are scripture. Mere man he may be, but inspired by God, his words are.
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and btw, the writings of Paul are scripture. Mere man he may be, but inspired by God, his words are.
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QUOTE(Proverbs=14:15 )
The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
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The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
Oh, Proverbs is it....
QUOTE(Proverbs=15:33)
The fear of the Lord teaches a man wisdom, and humility comes before honor
QUOTE(Proverbs=16:4)
The Lord works out everything for his own ends - even the wicked for a day of disaster
QUOTE(Proverbs=18:10)
The name of the Lord is a strong tower; the righteous run to it and are safe
QUOTE(Proverbs=19:23)
The fear of the Lord leads to life:Then one rests content, untuched by trouble
QUOTE(Proverbs=20:24)
A man's steps are directed by the Lord. How then can anyon e understand his own way?
QUOTE(Proverbs=21:2)
All a man's ways seem right to him, but the Lord weighs the heart
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Rich and poor have this in common: The Lord is the Maker of them all
Can't we all just get along and debate without having to make nasty comments about others and trying to be more superior in knowledge than the person you are debating with. Show your evidence and such, but do it kindly!!
The simple believeth every word
Do you believe every word?
Do you believe every word?
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The simple believeth every word
Do you believe every word?
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Do you believe every word?
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No of course not. I do not believe the politicians when they say they are going to lower the tax rates or give me better health care. I do not believe everything i read in a newspaper, or everything I see on TV.
Everything in the Bible though? That's a different matter.
Since you are using a Proverb out of the Bible, I ask you: Do you follow the Lord? Walk in the steps He wants? Take refuge in Him?
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Everything in the Bible though? That's a different matter.
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Since you are using a Proverb out of the Bible, I ask you:....
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Do you follow the Lord?
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Walk in the steps He wants?
Nope! 
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Take refuge in Him?
Never was. EDIT: Fixed quotes
interesting topic, what exactly is the book of revelations on.. and who wrote it again?
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interesting topic, what exactly is the book of revelations on.. and who wrote it again?
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It was written by the apostle John about 90AD. John claims it to be the "revelation of Jesus Christ... He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John..." (Revelations 1:1).
Essentially, according to the book, John was taken up in to heaven, where he saw all these visions of God and of the future. John then wrote those visions down, and compiled the book which we now know as Revelations.
Does that explain it.
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Everything in the Bible though? That's a different matter.
The simple believeth every word
As I said, I do not believe every word. I do not belive politicians, news, media. I don't believe I have to get the latest Eminem albumn in order to be "cool". I don't believe me or my friends when we come home after a huge night and swear never to drink again.
So obviously I don't believe EVERY word.
There is no such thing as time.
There is no past it does not exist, it is gone forever.
There is no future it does not exist it has not arrived.
There is only NOW. Stop wasting it by living in a past or future that does not exist.
There is no past it does not exist, it is gone forever.
There is no future it does not exist it has not arrived.
There is only NOW. Stop wasting it by living in a past or future that does not exist.
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Everything in the Bible though? That's a different matter.
The simple believeth every word
As I said, I do not believe every word. I do not belive politicians, news, media. I don't believe I have to get the latest Eminem albumn in order to be "cool". I don't believe me or my friends when we come home after a huge night and swear never to drink again.
So obviously I don't believe EVERY word.
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Words of the Bible?
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QUOTE(BFG Posted Today @ 11:08 AM )
Everything in the Bible though? That's a different matter.
The simple believeth every word
As I said, I do not believe every word. I do not belive politicians, news, media. I don't believe I have to get the latest Eminem albumn in order to be "cool". I don't believe me or my friends when we come home after a huge night and swear never to drink again.
So obviously I don't believe EVERY word.
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Words of the Bible?
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Yes, all the words of the Bible. I've said that. But if you note the proverb does not say "The simple believeth every word of the Bible", just "the simple believeth every word".
You are imposing your own idea and belief onto this proverb, creating an invalid application.
c'mon, we don't really know who wrote revelations.
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c'mon, we don't really know who wrote revelations.
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What makes you say that?
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He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John
If this isn't good enough, then what is? If we don't "really know" who wrote revelations, then we don't "really know" who wrote Lord of the Rings.
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He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John
But which John? John was the 4th most popular name in Judah and among early Christians. That quotation does not specify any certain John and only later tradition assigned it to the so-called Saint John! So as Gideon said, "c'mon, we don't really know who wrote revelations."
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He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John
But which John? John was the 4th most popular name in Judah and among early Christians. That quotation does not specify any certain John and only later tradition assigned it to the so-called Saint John! So as Gideon said, "c'mon, we don't really know who wrote revelations."
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Fair enough, conceded. But the only John we know of (Apart from John the Baptist who was beheaded long before this was written), was the apostle John. I guess it's tradition that says it is the apostle John, but who else could it be? And more importantly i guess, does it matter?
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I'm an enjoyingthiscrapist.
Evidentally Amalgamut is a "I'llbelieveanymythogist".
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Wow, good one.
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