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mrmonsoon
I find the United States war on dugs to be sort of funny for many different reasons.

Only certain additive drugs are targeted: Pot, Coke, Speed.....

What about all the "legal" additive drugs on sale:

COFFEE-don't think it is additive-try taking it away from coffee drinkers and see how effective they are at work. Further, if you take it away for an extend period of time, it is a well know medical fact (check with your doctor) that you will probably get bad headaches for 1-4 weeks-can you say withdrawals, seriously!!!!

Alchole-people who abuse it say it is a disease-yeah, cup to mouth disease. We all know the effects of drunk drivers and coworkers. Now lets talk about the next day-their "hangover". Try taking it away from people and they will experience both physical and psychological withdrawals.

TOBACCO-I have read that nicotine is more additive than Heroin-don't think so, talk to a smoker who is trying to quite. It is so additive, that many instead of trying to quite, just move on to different methods of getting it:gum, inhalers, patch....
__Kratos__
I dare you to try and take away my caffine... I DARE YOU! grin2.gif I get withdraw just from going one day without caffine, seriously. I give plasma at biolife and they don't like it if you have caffine that day so I have to fast from caffine till around 6:20 p.m. I get a nice headache nearly every time.
Liquid Metal
I am a caffeind!
warden
To much money to be maid legally to start mentioning them,

I stoped smoking about 16 years ago so i could drink more beer,ask my waist if it has been a good idea
Celumnaz
yes, the war on drugs is a dumb idea
BurnSide
mrmonsoon, you're missing an important word in your title, which makes your entire post irrelevant.

It is the war on ILLEGAL drugs. tongue.gif
Walken
But who decides whats illegal yes.gif
BurnSide
The men and women who are elected by the people to make these decisions for them.
TheOriginalF
Has the war on drugs really managed to yield any headway? While it's a great concept I don't think it necessarily works and has just turned into an astronomical waste of money. I think proper education would be much more beneficial to the war of drugs than spending all of that time and money just trying to keep them out of our borders. Should all drugs be legal? No. Some? Certainly. Why not legalize some of the "less dangerous" drugs like Marijuana, we could set up the same kind of laws that govern alcohol and tobacco while taxing it and making a few dollars for the state to spend on policing the more dangerous drugs on our streets.

Sorry I think this post had a point but it just sort of rambled out of control, take it for what it's worth. I guess I really sit on the fence on this issue and I can see the positive and negative aspects of both sides.
Walken
Well I highly doubt 28 million caffine addicts will vote for a president boasting to illegalise coffee.

Were crack more widely accepted and used by the majority of the population it could be legalised too, remember.
Liquid Metal
The war on drugs has hurt and killed more people than it's saved. It's torn so many families apart. It's taken loving parents away from their children just because the parents smoked weed or sold it. What's really sad is police purposely bust people in front of their children and families to set an example. How traumatized a young child must be in a situation like that! Sure, I agree that a parent should be more responsible and not do things that can get them separated from their children, but I also agree a few illegal drugs should be legal, especially marijuana.
mrmonsoon
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jun 2 2005, 08:19 AM)

mrmonsoon, you're missing an important word in your title, which makes your entire post irrelevant.

It is the war on ILLEGAL drugs. tongue.gif
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I beg to differ with you. That "was" the point of my post.

What is different about "illegal" additive drugs and "legal" additive ones?????

Alcohol is at least as damaging as pot, yet one is illegal and the other is not-hmm
Tobacco-the nicitine in it- is more additive than heroin (especially todays tobacco), but one remains legal and cheap and the other illegal and expensive.
Coffee-caffeine- is very additive and used like speed by a large percent of the population-why is it legal and inexpensive and speed not and expensive?

Many people seem to think there is a "Moral" issue with illegal drugs. Yes, they are illegal, but that aside, what is the difference? Boo's was illegal for a while and it was so missed that it was made legal again.

I am not saying we should make all illegal drugs legal, but lets take a REAL good look at legal vs illegal drugs and see if there are any differences besides which side of the law they are on-Do you see my point. I hope so.
joc
Coffee....you can OD if you drink too much but it is relatively harmless and is only slightly, physically addictive.

Alchohol....there is no putting that genie back in the Prohibition bottle...so it doesn't even count.

Tobacco....mildly physically addictive...somewhat stronger psychologically


Let's face it...the only drug that should be taken out of the war is pot. It won't kill you. It isn't as harmful as alchohol and it is practically every state in the South's #1 cash crop.

The real drug war is on Cocaine, Heroin and Methampetamines....all deadly, all extremely addictive (Cocaine isn't physically addictive but is extremely psychologically addictive and is relatively deadly)
RH2097
Don't forget food. Like that SuperSize Me guy, after they took away his McD's he would feel sick.

Addictions are a scary thing.
eckogangsta
QUOTE(joc @ Jun 2 2005, 11:54 PM)
(Cocaine isn't physically addictive but is extremely psychologically addictive and is relatively deadly)



LOL rolleyes.gif
turbonium
The War on Drugs should be more accurately named "The War Against Drugs That We Don't Control and Tax", subsection titled "The War Against People Who Horn In On Our Control of Drugs".

The Gov't has done more harm to its citizens with its actions than one could even imagine possible.

Few mention the HUGE addiction problem created by "legal" prescription drugs - the media won't report the true size and scope of the problem, because Big Pharma is in league with the Gov't and monopoly media to PROMOTE all these drugs on TV, radio and newspapers. Have you noticed the exponential increase in new drugs and TV commercials flogging them?? Feeling down? We got drugs for you. No sex life? We got drugs for you. All life's problems - We got drugs for 'em. no.gif

The reason that Hemp is illegal in America today is because the Big Money families, the Harrimans and Rockefellers (Standard Oil), the Whitneys (Eli Whitney-Cotton Gin), Dupont (Chemicals in wood pulp processing and cotton pesticides), and Hearst (Newspapers, Media) cannot create a monopoly on hemp, which would destroy their empires with a product anyone could grow themselves. So they demonize and criminalize marijuana!

George Bush Sr. as director of the CIA, worked to introduce cocaine and heroin in large part to America. He is later made Director of Eli Lilly Pharmaceuticals by Dan Quayle's father (Lilly produces precursor chemicals used in cocaine production), then becomes Vice-President and Drug Czar (During this time Cocaine influx into the U.S. increased by over 2000 %), declares war on the American people and the Bill of Rights through the militarization of a phony drug war.

Iran-Contra and Mena, Arkansas are but two more of the countless fiascos exposing the US Gov't (and CIA) being the TRUE drug pushers, while pretending to be AT WAR with these drugs.



eckogangsta
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/coc07.htm
Celumnaz
QUOTE(turbonium @ Jun 2 2005, 08:22 PM)
declares war on the American people and the Bill of Rights through the militarization of a phony drug war.

grrrrrrrr gets me to no end, that's the truth if there ever was truth. I remember back then, it was For The Children and people went gaga over it. And then we later get Elian, Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Patriot Act... incrementalism at its finest. And that's only one aspect of the changes to our society forced on us abusing our virtue of compassion for the agenda of power and control.
warden
The war on drugs is a farce,govs know how many people take drugs and what kinds ,they capture so much on its way into the country so it looks like they are on top of the situation for people to see on the news ans media(oh what a good job they are doing) no.gif

They let the majority into the country as they know like us that if they had a real clamp down the country would go to POT

We would have millions of people not going to work,the system would collapse,millions of people in hospital,the nhs would collapse,millions of people commiting crimes,the justice system would collapse

Think about it,have the status quo and keep popping in a wee snipet about a major drug bust every know and then, as if to keep the populus happy,or have the country fall to its knees

You choose because the gov already has
turbonium
I always get a kick out of "the largest ever drug bust" stories they flog on the news every few months!! laugh.gif

Hmmm..maybe not because they're stopping more (like they imply) but maybe that more than ever is coming in? rolleyes.gif
girty1600
I have now made it eight days without caffene and it is a major victory for me. Two days of pounding headaches and nausia and I lived through it without cracking! I feel better and I look better; I lost eleven pounds by changing nothing but my choice of soda! yay for moi.
Cendari
I'm not for sure how much caffeine is in chocolate, but if anyone tries to take my chocolate away, we've got a problem.

I was thinking about this and what if chocolate was made illegal? I guarantee there would be chocolate drug lords. Chocolate would then be the number one drug out there, and more expensive too.

Celumnaz
Oh goodness! And then we'd have violence caused by chocolate! ack!
turbonium
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Jun 6 2005, 07:06 AM)
Oh goodness!  And then we'd have violence caused by chocolate!  ack!
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We have stores where I live called "Death By Chocolate". Maybe they know something we don't yet?!?!? laugh.gif
Fox Lupine
What no one here has made a big deal of yet is Smoking

If they've proven that passive smoking is a danger to the health of others-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...7&dopt=Abstract
Then why has it not been made Illegal?

Its a drug like all others- I suppose the revenue smoking generates is the key issue
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