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Sunofone
well first an explantion of the hegelian principle--then ill add my favorite movie using this principle--please add your favorite or any that you know of that are not mentioned yet-
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THE HEGELIAN PRINCIPLE

Copyright 2000 By Ray Thomas

This is the "basic con" the power seekers use and is the basis for every other con. The "con" exposed herein that allows the power seekers to gain ever more power over us is very simple, and easy to understand after it is explained to you; From that time on, you are able to "read between the lines" in everything they do, and start being "an obstacle" to their plans instead of agreeing to your own enslavement. -Ray Thomas

THE HEGELIAN PRINCIPLE: I've written before about the "Hegelian Principle," which the power seekers have been using with amazing success for a lot longer than I can remember to create support for their power grabs. It's a simple principle. It has only three steps:

* Step one: CREATE A "PROBLEM": Create it or take one that does exist and build it up out of all proportion to its real importance;

* Step Two: PUBLICIZE THE "PROBLEM": Make sure a story about this problem appears in the news media each and every day, in newspapers, news magazines, radio, and television. Hit it again and again in a "steady drumbeat" that soon has people who don't pay real attention to politics (which is the majority of them) clamoring for a "solution" to the problem;

* Step Three: OFFER A "SOLUTION": A solution that takes away one or more of our rights and further undermines the constitutional protections we all are supposed to enjoy. One that involves higher taxes (to pay for this "solution," of course), and one we would not have allowed them to do without this previous conditioning of the public.

CREATE CRIMINALS: Philosopher Ayn Rand said: "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one "makes" them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers-and then you cash in on the guilt." (Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged")

That's what they're doing, and you can make no mistake about it. If we continue to allow them to get away with it, they'll win. Then we'll all be slaves. You'll know it is happening when people like me either disappear or become subject to false charges that have nothing to do with what we're saying. We'll be the first to go - and you'll be next.
http://www.geocities.com/thomasreport/hegelian.html
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in the movie "Antz a bugs life" the soldier ants use fake terrorist attacks perpetrated by traitorous termites in order to set a pretext for war and to wrest control of "the colony" from the queen in a martial law type fashion--
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Sunofone
in "The Incredible" the villian syndrome creates false crisis so he can rush in to save the day-essentially attacking the populace so he can offer "security"
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Celumnaz
QUOTE(Sunofone @ Jun 1 2005, 04:59 PM)
CREATE CRIMINALS: Philosopher Ayn Rand said: "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one "makes" them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers-and then you cash in on the guilt." (Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged")


I oh so love Ayn Rand. She could see into the future it seems like at times.
unknown
How about The Village. The group of elders that everyone respects creates fake threats and terrorizes the people within the village, keeping them within it's borders. At the same time protecting from the 'evils of the outside world', Blind the the evils they've created.
Sunofone
in "League of Extraordinary Gentleman" the villian "M" (an upside down W) creates a crisis using a manufactured boogeyman in order to assemble a group of "patriots"? in order to exploit their abilities for "war" as well as eliminating them in the process in the final stage of a war fueled move for power
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Zeus
The bible....countless examples....interesting storyline but wow, how can 1 billion people still be gullble.

The Matrix, one droid went awol over injustice and society were moved to retaliate on all droids/jews/arabs/blacks. Louis Farakahn said in the 1980's that Europe and america will promote the blacks as a potential market to sell their goods to and promote with them as images of what is cool to buy. They have been doing this only to build them up as hero's and high cultral peronalities on billboards, TV and government as part of the NWO plan. The end game being to use their elevated positions and increasing global unemployment with an increasing amount of subliminal racism to encourage away from the promoted admiration of blacks to an eventual envy of and dislike of blacks in the future. Years later this program did take off and fascism has been increasing around the world against non european types. We only need a series of events to happen to trigger an acceleration of this plan. Farakahn was asking the blacks 'what do you think they will do with you when they do not need you anymore?'

One book predicted that the nature of NWO planning with the nature of unexpected and uncontrolLable changes in societal thinking makes it increasinly possible for the leaders to slip up big time. When something really big leaks out then the American people will find out or the Catholics will find out that they have been duped, then I want to see what the armed forces will do to stop the massive numbers of angry innocent civilians who suddenly realize and want revenge. It's only a matter of time.
Sunofone
obviously i havent seen this yet but it is sure to be a good film and will fit in perfect here--here is a preview
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Tagline: What Does A Scanner See?

"A Scanner Darkly" is set in suburban Orange County, California in the future. It imagines a paranoid world in which it seems two of every 10 Americans has been hired by the government to spy on the other 8 -- in the name of national security and drug enforcement. When one reluctant government recruit (Reeves) is ordered to start spying on his friends, he is launched on a journey into the absurd, where outsourced government contractors largely define the social construct, where identities and loyalties are impossible to decode, and where not even his girlfriend can be trusted. The film highlights the inconsistencies and ironic consequences of the war on drugs.
Sunofone
even though the movie i am discussing here may not seem to have an underlying hegelian message i believe it contains something much more relavent-- imo it shines a light on the importance and power of an idea-- perhaps woven in the background is a plan of action designed to thwart the norsefire of the day by usung the hegelian principals in reverse upon the oppressors?? here is an excellent review of the movie "V for Vandetta"
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V for Vendetta

From the makers of The Matrix Trilogy, V for Vendetta paints the story of a vengeful terrorist – or freedom fighter? – which, whether in Thatcherite Britain of the 1980s or Bush’s America after 9/11, has an eternal message.

Philip Coppens

“Remember Remember the Fifth of November…” November 5 in Great Britain is notorious for being Guy Fawkes’ night. Fawkes was a “terrorist”, an English Roman Catholic who tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament in the so-called Gunpowder Plot in 1605. The now yearly fireworks that are held across the country are a somewhat mocking “tribute” to his failed attempts.
The plan called for Westminster Palace to be blown up during the formal opening session of the 1605 Parliament, in which the king would address a joint assembly of both the House of Lords and the House of Commons. Fawkes’ activities were detected and following a severe interrogation involving torture and a trial, Fawkes and his conspirators were executed for treason and attempted murder. Fawkes became a national legend, whose actions continue to be remembered across Britain each year, and thus on par with certain Christian activities and the Queen’s birthday.
Guy Fawkes is central to “V for Vendetta”, which in origin was a comic book series that appeared in the 1980s, written by Alan Moore and illustrated mostly by David Lloyd, set in a dystopian future United Kingdom. Though set in the future, it was meant to attack the then present premiership of Margaret Thatcher. The comic book series depicted the “evil party” as Thatcher’s Conservative Party, based on fears of an extremist police state, which was notorious in 1980s’ Britain (e.g. the miners’ strikes). The political Norsefire party was also largely based on a fascist regime like the Nazi Party. In both stories, Norsefire/Conservative Party actively participates in the systematic elimination of racial minorities, homosexuals, and political dissidents from society.

Fawkes is V’s inspiration. “V” wants to change the course of history by blowing up the Houses of Parliament – he wants to succeed where Fawkes had failed, and the date for this attempt is of course November 5. As to why he wants to do so: he wants to destroy the authoritarian government. V is a freedom fighter who uses terrorist tactics in pursuit of a personal vendetta but, above all, to force socio-political change in a dystopian Britain. Though set in the future, one reviewer wrote that “the film came out in a world where politicians lied to get us into an unpopular war [Iraq], one where torture is no longer considered off-limits by people who are supposedly the good guys, and where public surveillance is all but ubiquitous.” The film thus become notorious for one of its plethora of catchphrases: “People shouldn’t fear their governments; governments should fear their people.” On this issue, director James McTeigue commented that “we felt the novel was very prescient to how the political climate is at the moment. It really showed what can happen when society is ruled by government, rather than the government being run as a voice of the people. I don’t think it’s such a big leap to say that things like that can happen when leaders stop listening to the people.”

As November 5 nears, V's various schemes cause chaos and the population grows more and more intolerant and subversive towards the regime. The TV pump up the ante and fear, to underline that obedience is required against the danger everywhere. There are references to civil war in the United States; water shortage and water coupons; avian flu ; quarantaine zones and airborne pathogen, while the terrorist V is linked with an attack on London 14 years ago. The government is trying to maintain the status quo of fear and showing that revolt will lead to severe consequences.
On the eve of November 5, Evey is shown a train in the abandoned London Underground which V has filled with explosives in order to destroy Parliament. He leaves the decision up to her and leaves to meet Party leader Creedy who, as part of an earlier agreement, has agreed to bring the Chancellor to V in exchange for V's surrender. Creedy kills the Chancellor in front of V, but rather than surrender, V kills Creedy. During the fight, Creedy asks: “Why won’t you die?” “Beneath this mask is an idea. And ideas are bullet proof.”

V, however, is also mortally wounded in the fight, but returns to Evey, thanks her, professes his love for her, and then dies. His body is placed upon the train with the explosives, his funeral barge, which Evey, with the consent of the chief inspector, sends towards the Houses of Parliament. Meanwhile, thousands of Londoners, all wearing Guy Fawkes’ masks, march on Parliament to watch the event. Because Creedy and the Chancellor are dead, the military receives no orders from superiors and, as a result, stands down in the face of these riots, preventing bloodshed.

Parliament is destroyed by the explosion amid the 1812 Overture. On a nearby rooftop, Evey and chief inspector Finch watch the scene together and hope for a better tomorrow – a real hope, not like the one that would turn an atomic into a biological war. Earlier, V illustrated that Victory was a perilous event, for it would be a domino-effect, illustrated by V playing with domino’s, in which one action leads to a next step, each increasing the former, until a crescendo is reached and the final domino does or does not fall… The reVolution was successful.
V is dead; his vendetta has wiped the slate clean; a new world will dawn tomorrow, a new Britain can be built. V is now no longer for Vendetta, but for Victory. V for Victory was used by Winston Churchill in the Second World War, a sign which had been an inspiration for the comic series. But in the end, V for Vendetta is also about love; though V’s actions will have major political consequences, in the end, he was also a man, and his motives were not purely for the greater cause, but also because he had suffered as a man. “A man can be killed and forgotten, but 400 years later, an idea can still change the world. […] Ideas do not bleed. They do not feel pain. They do not want love. But it is not an idea I miss. It is a man.” V.

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Sunofone
the symbolism in movies is undeniable and i wanted to do a piece on the new superman dvd concerning the death of superman but it does not paint a pretty picture from what ive seen-- basically the guy that kills him is an intergalactic serial killer named "doomsday"-- i heard they clone superman in the end though but what can it mean? i have yet to watch it but if there is anyone that has seen it please chime in wiht some details
jaylemurph
I think Hegel would great disapprove of what these people are doing with his philosophy.

--Jaylemurph
Sunofone
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Sep 24 2007, 11:27 AM) *
I think Hegel would great disapprove of what these people are doing with his philosophy.

--Jaylemurph

really?? to me it seems a bit sadistic from any standpoint-- you know ..."creating" a problem
jaylemurph
QUOTE (Sunofone @ Jan 14 2008, 03:12 PM) *
really?? to me it seems a bit sadistic from any standpoint-- you know ..."creating" a problem


No. I meant "they" more along the lines of the people ripping apart his philosophy and applying to grossly where it doesn't belong. Quite frankly, you'd be better off trying to torture Machiavelli's work into this CT non-sense. But that'd be a purer act of philosophical literacy, and depend on a little more knowledge of it than I see here.

--Jaylemurph
NumberOneSon
QUOTE (Zeus @ Jun 10 2005, 02:11 AM) *
The Matrix, one droid went awol over injustice and society were moved to retaliate on all droids/jews/arabs/blacks.

I don't know what movie you watched, but that certainly wasn't the plot of the Matrix, lol.

NumberOneSon
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