I was talking to my Dad yesterday and he showed me the roots behind the chav's lack of respect for anyone older than themselves, believing that everyone one is equal. As us English are finding out, it is very hard to have a decent society when a bunch of teenage .... are walking about and shouting at people as they are their 'equals'- scum cannot be equals. So basically, he said that because all traces of feudal respect are gone, there is no one on a higher social rank anymore.
E.g. 'alright guv'nor', there are no lords in common society etc.

I also think it is down to the bravado the clothes bring. If there isn't one already, it would be good if this was the chav bashing thread.

evryone thinks they're gangsta hard
with the bling they hav
u see a recent C4 programme
where they took the p*** out of chavs?
was funny

I don't really think this topic should be allowed.

Not evreyone likes chavs, but its just a minority of them that cause trouble and end up giving a bad name to the rest.

As such, there shouldn't be a thread that is anti-chav, as most chavs have done nothing wrong. Their choice in clothing and music is not for us to judge,.

'As such, there shouldn't be a thread that is anti-chav, as most chavs have done nothing wrong. Their choice in clothing and music is not for us to judge,. '

Well the chavs I know, all of them I know have done a lot wrong. Walken you obviously are talking about chav type2.
(leaving girls out of the whole thing)

Chav type 2: Peaceful, maybe even trendy. Can be friends with.

Chav type 1(which the post is about): They carry knives, the shout at people constantly, they hang around in groups of 15+, they mug everyone, including old people; they have group names and write their tags everywhere.

Ok - someone tell me what the heck a Chav is?

chavs
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...hl%3Den%26lr%3D

www.chavscum.co.uk is the bible of chavdom basically.

Oh you guys are talking about white trash! I see, yeah they are hella disprespectful, selfish, materialistic, and stupid all rolled into one!

I am just anti arragant teenage yobs andf anti bad manners, whether it be a chav or university grad.

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Ok - someone tell me what the heck a Chav is?
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*LINK* Chav - defined

I asked the same question when I first read about Chav's in another thread.

I think this topic is in it's proper forum , and so it warrants discussion. There are many who paint others with a broad brush, because a fine few corrupt the mix. This predilection is as prolific today as it has been since the advent of "civilization". Who's own history reconciles itself, unto contemporary guise, as anything but, "civil".

From what I've read, as I do not live in their domain of influence, Chav's are todays "Punk" culture of yesterday, with a contemporary twist of equality, as opposed to old-punks anarchistic demeanor and yet similar in the offensive posture some assume, as it's representative(s).
It is unfair to believe one faction is representative of the whole. But that's what we do in society isn't it?! Whether they be Chav, or Republicans, Democrats, Feminists, etc... We segment the whole into it's kindred parts, by choice, by belief, by faith. And then we judge and tear apart those that seemingly stand separate by their choice, as we from ours. And then we say if they only changed their mind/behavior, etc... and thought like we do, there would be peace in this world!



If all people were truly equal in the eyes of the offensive faction of "Chav's" (or any entity that assumes the posture so as to commit their philosophy to the rest of us), they wouldn't feel the need to be offensive to their kindred. That they are proves , by example, that what their really shouting at is their own inner demons, staring them in the face from within the rest of society. A society that screams even louder than they, without saying a word, but rather by action and deed; "You are not wanted in this world!"

That communication is what has made for a very violent dance, through out the ages, for all humanity. The Chav issue isn't new(s), it's history in the remaking.

I wonder if they could bring conscription back...

We live in a society where everyone thinks they have equal rights- children do not have the same rights as adults. Some chavs need to learn that.

(It isn't history, we are bloody living it now! Society changes. However now there is nothing to replace feudal respect).

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However now there is nothing to replace feudal respect).

I'm an American taxpayer. I can tell you that as such, I am a contemporary serf under the old standards of Feudalism, disguised in the 21st century cloak of "income tax" "deeds" etc.... Same slavery, different day.

And I can tell you, as one who lives that American reality, that if what you object to in the philosophy exampled by the Chav philosophy generally, (not by those who example it as violence), is that they do not hold respect for that which examples itself as the feudal system in contemporary culture, you would do well to change your mind rather than let the anxiety this minority inflicts, bother you for one more moment.

For you see, it is folly to ever expect a servant to love their master!

That is, "Feudalism", in a nutshell; Slaves & Masters.

By definition the relation will ever be unequal. By example the servants shall always be considered "less than", and unworthy of equal respect by those who call themselves "superior". And yet the irony is that, despite all judgment and classism applied by that select minority of "masters", the hierarchy depends on the servitude of the majority to retain their seat above it all.

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"A precarious position it is, to hold the whip and demand respect from those who fall in it's shadow. When all the while thy lofty perch depends on shredded backs for perches."

As you live in America you cannot gain a full understanding of the situation, that is not an attack, just emphasising the problem.

The thing is, most chavs type 2 () do not work. Therefore they are not part of the system you are talking about.

I also do not completely understand what you are saying and therefore cannot assess its relevance. My fault, I just am not familiar enough with the perspective you are giving on feudalism.

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As you live in America you cannot gain a full understanding of the situation, that is not an attack, just emphasising the problem.

I do not see that as an attack. Your observation is accurate as I admitted as much in my initial reply.

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(sic)"...My fault, I just am not familiar enough with the perspective you are giving on feudalism."

Then, with respect, why did you make the statement; (sic) " However now there is nothing to replace feudal respect."

If you are not versed on what Feudalism is? Further, "conscription", as you mentioned previously, is also relative to Feudalism and therefore Indentured Servitude, aka/slavery.

And, while the "Chav type 2" that you mentioned (if I am to read your labeling correctly), do not have jobs, make no mistake, as citizens of your Country, they are part of that system I was talking about. They are still under the authority of that higher power which has dominion over the majority population of the minority class. (and that aspect of this discussion is a whole other post. )

Oops. >>>>

I mentioned Feudalism on a very basic level. There are no more clearly defined (or at all), peasants, lords and ladies, and nobility. Everything is becoming blurred, there is no feudal respect.

I am not saying there aren't classes though.

(This thread was meant to explore the roots of chav's. Well, to take the piss out of them really)

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This thread was meant to explore the roots of chav's. Well, to take the piss out of them really)

From what I've read of this culture thus far, relative to your posting, do you really think a Chav will read anything here?
Or rather is it to exercise frustration that they exist in your reality at all.


See my point? (no, no, you have to look beyond the one on my head. )

This has become a very philosophical discussion hasn't it. (Sorry if this observation hasn't contributed much to that. )

Yeh, I am glad I put my comment in before it became philosophical.

they're jus chavs
who cares??

Yeah I am quite annoyed this has turned philosophical. This thread is for chav bashing and their origin. No need for excessvie wordy-ness- ie. 'they exist in your reality at all.'


Back on topic.

My friends found a good way to combat them. One friend called Ian was called over by a group of chavs and he punched the talker in the face and ran away. Another of my friends had his phone taken, he punched the chav in the face and ran away.

There is a common pattern of success emerging.
I am not promoting violence, but maybe violence in self-defence.

chavs are known as pikies as well.......
no not fishies

Yeah, I used to call them pikies, but you have to be careful. If you say pikie in public in a busy place, there might actually be a real pikie...

I looked up my home town on ChavTowns.co.uk. : sure enough, it's there.

Near the top?

Surprisingly, no; though Southampton is.

What I find particularly sad is the 10 year old chavs. They have been sexualised too early and think they are adults as well. Losing their innocence way too early. When I was 10-14 I would ride my bike with my friends. I am only just turning 17 now...Things are changing so much and for the worse in many respects.

Ahh, kids today, don't know they're born, weren't like that in my day ...

during the war ...

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Yeah I am quite annoyed this has turned philosophical. This thread is for chav bashing and their origin. No need for excessvie wordy-ness- ie. 'they exist in your reality at all.'

Please! You were annoyed when you posted this thread! And now your mad because it's not strictly dedicated to name calling and bashing members of the community you hate!? I do thank you for making my first point. (i.e. "If don't want to join in, piss on you!!" )

Bash away! Super hero of the steel circle, bash away. The Unexplained mysteries and basher board, (or else! Rah!) Oh and that excessive wordiness you mentioned...like Feudalism and conscription!? Yes, I do see your point!

Aren't Chavs Trailer Park Boys basically?Chavs are sad ppl. They have no strength at all, but the sheer numbers are annoying. Anyone could take on one.Even a blind man who can stand up.

I am not sure really. Type 2 are scum.

Whispers, fuedalism and consciption are not wordy. If that was what you were insinuating anyway.

Who cares anyway!

Situationism. And valitudinarianism.

Now they're wordy.

I don't think this topic is really valid at all.

I hear so many people moaning about so called 'chav's' and how they bring so much dissrespect and anger into life......then I hear people go on moaning about how they're so judgemental, and always judge people about their clothing and banish anyone who's not wearing ''soverigns''.

If you want my honest opinion.....judging a society by its minority makes you just as bad as the suposed people in question.
Stop labelling them as 'chavs'. They're not chavs. They're people, just like you. Who chose to wear different clothing and act a different way.
I hear ''they hate me because I wear baggy trousers'' all the time.
You hate them becuase they wear tracksuits and wear caps on the back of their head.

The world can do without this sort of judgement. To the person who made this thread. I am not trying to disrespect you but will people PLEASE try and see that by labelling them as unrespectful you are only labelling yourself unrespectful.
If you have to judge someone who judges you. You are just as bad.

Just ignore what peolpe say to you. If they think you're a bum for wearing something or not being the same as them...then forget them. You don't need to justify yourself to people and neither do they.

Now could everyone stop judging everyone else and get along???


Wait, people have been trying that line for over 40 years....it's still not happening.

I live in the South east, even so the majority of 12-18 year olds you SEE, are chavs. If when you say 'act in a different way', you mean threatening and violent then yes, you are right. No, you obviously haven't listened to anything anyone has said in this thread, at least me anyway. I hate them because of what they do in groups. Not just because of what they wear- that is just lame.



You saying this proves that not only chavs are the problem here, people like you are, this is not an attack even if it sounds so. Adults do not have to be respectuful to chavs, or any young people. They are the adults. Yes some respect is needed, but this is where the problem has risen. Chavs think that everyone needs to respect them but they do not need to respect anyone else. The idea of everyone respecting everyone cannot work and the Uk today is an example of that. We have become a respect society- this is the root of our problems. People are not equal, an example of chavs thinking that everyone is equal is that slap happy thing. They slap fully grown men and women. This would not be right anyway, but it is made worse by the age difference.



Again, clothes are a much smaller part of it, they just add to the mob mentality. I think you have had problems with clothing as you are making it the main issue here.

You saying this proves that not only chavs are the problem here, people like you are, this is not an attack even if it sounds so. Adults do not have to be respectuful to chavs, or any young people. They are the adults. Yes some respect is needed, but this is where the problem has risen. Chavs think that everyone needs to respect them but they do not need to respect anyone else. The idea of everyone respecting everyone cannot work and the Uk today is an example of that. We have become a respect society- this is the root of our problems. People are not equal, an example of chavs thinking that everyone is equal is that slap happy thing. They slap fully grown men and women. This would not be right anyway, but it is made worse by the age difference.


Indeed,but you don t have to respect adults.I don t respect anyone unless they earned it.I don t respect Chavs because they do nothing to gain my respect.I don t hate them for wearing different clothes,listening to strange musice,etc I simply don t like them because they are stupid.You can t be intelligent,if you are dependant groups.Take a Chav away from his group and what do you have?Nothing.

It's a modern type of prejudice. But unlike the whites enslaving blacks years ago, people are against "chavs/white trash" for a reason. They can be very violent people, and try to live the "gangsta lyfe" which is a primitive and every-man-for-himself lifestyle. I grew up in Chicago and I do know first hand how judging by a person's social group is a good measurement of them as a person. They can be selfish, angry, hateful, violent, sexist people. They're irresponsible and lazy, which is why they live in poverty. This doesn't account for chavs as a group, but a more noticeable majority. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I grew up surrounded by these people. I know the stereotype's credibility in that area.

A persons character is reflected in the company they keep...

A persons character is reflected in the company they keep...


And if a person has no company...?

That says, "there's a reason this person has no friends."

That says, "there's a reason this person has no friends."

Of course there is a reason.But is this reason the lack of character?

Not necessarily. But it's a good sign of bad character.

Not necessarily. But it's a good sign of bad character.

So what is bad character?

That's a hard question. But when a person's character isn't attractive, you can easily tell. I suppose if in general they are rude, self-destructive, judgemental, violent, untrustworthy, etc. It's completely possible for a person to possess characteristics and behavior that repel other people. There can be a number of reasons for this.

I suppose if in general they are rude, self-destructive, judgemental, violent, untrustworthy,

careful,untrusting,self-dependant?

There you go.

Your thinking is the problem here. You have just said that you do not have to respect adults. THIS IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. You do have to respect adults, if everyone did then the chav problem would not be here now.

Adults should be respected just because they are adults? I can think of any number of people - politicians particularly - who are adults but i certainly don't respect just because of that.

Yes, adults in general should be respected. If however you get to know them, or see they are cruel e.g. Saddam, Kilroy, then I do not think they deserve respect. What I am trying to get at is all adults should be respected immediately if yoy don't know anything or much about them. They shouldn't have to 'do' anything for you to earn your respect. There should always be a base line of respect, not even that exists for a lot of people now.

There absolutely should - but surely that should be extended to evreyone? Surely young people should respect each other too - and adults should respect young people, just for being people?

its not that they disresepect adults its that they have no respect towards anyone. most people hate chavs, hell even chavs hate chavs!

i know some really cool chavs but its not really the way that you dress that just comes with the personality that you choose. for example ive seen plenty of goths and skaters acting just like chavs, its not really what you wear its your attitude.

what you wear just comes as a direct result of that.

to be honest most groups can be annoying, chavs are just a bit overly annoying.