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The Council of Nine

I have a collection of books (18 in all) written by T. LOBSANG . RAMPA

Many of you may have read "The Third Eye" his first and most successful book.

For some reason one day I started collecting them, over the course of seven years (I was 17 at the time) I gathered the complete collection.

He claimed to the Tibetan Priest has "Transmigrated" into the body of a lowly Englishman (in a nutshell!)

I have my views of the man. On the whole his ideas and beliefs are wild but with good intentions.

Many people believed him to be nut! maybe he was but I have read and reread his books over the years (I'm 32 now) and his ideals have helped me in many different aspects of my life.

Has anyone read his books?

Do you think he is fraud, charletan?

Lots of people do.... but he has done nothing but teach me respect for the world around me.

I have never met anyone who has read any of his books, I would appreciate your views please.

Also to find out if I am missing any books!


Regards

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Tricia-Ann
Hi there, well I was drawn (in fact they called to me) to Rampas books when I was a teen, I never looked back. His teachings were the step up I needed in finding myself and understanding life. He served me well for 30 years, then I got the next step up with some of the spiritual books that followed.

yep, some say he was a fraud-that's not the point though. Rampa was the nudge that millions needed and received. I will always be grateful to the easy and open way he explained about life and death, psychic abilities, species that live in the earth, and more. Most of which has come true.

If you have gained from his books then they were good, don't matter who he was-he helped a lot of folks. thumbsup.gif
sanchera1978
Well i never heard of him but I am going to get the third eye book. I read the reviews on Amazon and they were all pretty good. there is alot more people who like his books then ones who didnt.
The Council of Nine
Hello...

Thanks for taking time out to answer my post.

Sanchera...watch out...you'll be hooked!...my only advice would be to try and find copies in old bookstores, not only is it more fun! the books will have a little bit of history about them.

I spent many a afternoon trawling through little bookstores..the pleasure you get from finding one makes it all worthwhile...everyone of mine was found by just popping into stores every few months, it became a bit of a game! Part of me wishes a still has few to find.. i guess it was like a looking for the holy grail, finding it then...what next! (well in my little world anyway!)

Don't forget you'll helping to keep these shop open by this, "keep it local" eh!.

You'll also meet some right characters!

Tricia - Anne... you are so right, I felt drawn to them to,strange...and who he was is irrelivent...I'm glad he helped you as he helped me...no doubt a new generation will discover him to.

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GoddessWhispers
If I'm not mistaken T. LOBSANG . RAMPA, was the source for the creation of what is today known as Rampa-ism.

Relative to the claims that he inhabits a man's body; Buddhists believe the Buddha to incarnate into mortal form. Perhaps he thought this history would allow him to adopt the posture and make a living at it?!

He was proven to be a fraud many years ago, as his claims caused some in the Scholarly community to procure a private investigator so as to ferret out, if you will, the truth behind the claims. Turns out his book, "The Third Eye', was his biggest seller, of the 13 books he wrote before his death in 1981. (*Source Link*)
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slvrcord
QUOTE(The Council of Nine @ Jun 6 2005, 04:26 PM)
I have a collection of books (18 in all) written by T. LOBSANG . RAMPA

Many of you may have read "The Third Eye" his first and most successful book.

For some reason one day I started collecting them, over the course of seven years (I was 17 at the time) I gathered the complete collection.

He claimed to the Tibetan Priest has "Transmigrated" into the body of a lowly Englishman (in a nutshell!)

I have my views of the man. On the whole his ideas and beliefs are wild but with good intentions.

Many people believed him to be nut! maybe he was but I have read and reread  his books over the years (I'm 32 now) and his ideals have helped me in many different aspects of my life.

Has anyone read his books?

Do you think he is fraud, charletan?

Lots of people do.... but he has done nothing but teach me respect for the world around me.

I have never met anyone who has read any of his books, I would appreciate your views please.

Also to find out if I am missing any books!


Regards

CON thumbsup.gif
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HI THERE! I REALLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU ACQUIRE RAMPA'S 19TH BOOK. I BELIEVE IT'S HIS LAST ONE IN THE SERIES. IT IS CALLED "TIBETAN SAGE". TRUST ME IT WON'T BE EASY TO FIND OR CHEAP TO BUY, BUT IT IS WELL WORTH IT.
pauluni2004
hello I read a bit about rampa, i enjoyed a lot of his ideas, i feel the criteria to judge a book is how much it helps me in my personal growth...By the way i am looking to buy the "tibetan sage" for rampa, if you have any idea my e mail adress is pauluni2004@yahoo.ca
thank you
jcBeliever
QUOTE(The Council of Nine @ Jun 6 2005, 07:26 PM)
I have a collection of books (18 in all) written by T. LOBSANG . RAMPA

Many of you may have read "The Third Eye" his first and most successful book.

For some reason one day I started collecting them, over the course of seven years (I was 17 at the time) I gathered the complete collection.

He claimed to the Tibetan Priest has "Transmigrated" into the body of a lowly Englishman (in a nutshell!)

I have my views of the man. On the whole his ideas and beliefs are wild but with good intentions.

Many people believed him to be nut! maybe he was but I have read and reread  his books over the years (I'm 32 now) and his ideals have helped me in many different aspects of my life.

Has anyone read his books?

Do you think he is fraud, charletan?

Lots of people do.... but he has done nothing but teach me respect for the world around me.

I have never met anyone who has read any of his books, I would appreciate your views please.

Also to find out if I am missing any books!


Regards

CON thumbsup.gif
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jcBeliever
original.gif I recently got a copy of "Tibetan Sage" from a used book seller on the internet. If you do a book search on Amazon or Barnes & Noble you'll be directed to a seller if there's one available. If they do not have do a used book seller search on google and you can check if they have it in their inventory...Be warned the book is expensive. I paid $55.56 for my copy plus S&H (and that was the cheapest copy online at the time).

Good luck!

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hello I read a bit about rampa, i enjoyed a lot of his ideas, i feel the criteria to judge a book is how much it helps me in my personal growth...By the way i am looking to buy the "tibetan sage" for rampa, if you have any idea my e mail adress is pauluni2004@yahoo.ca
thank you
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Tangerine Sheri
I haven't read any of these books but they sound intereseting and I will look into reading, but I wanted to say if you have become better and have a reverence for life now that is your answer and maybe his ideas weren't so crazy, You are the best decider on what truth works best for you Good Luck Sheri
dukerundley
Hi,

There are 19 of his books, you are probably missing Tibetan Sage. You can usually find his books on ebay. My visit to venus and my visit to agharta are not his!

Anyhow, I believe you replied to your question. If his books has helped you, then he couldn't really be a fake now can he? Rampa was despised by a certain group of people, that type of group that is out to make money on people who don't understand anything about the occult arts.

You should check and make sure that those who are calling him a fake have actually even read his books!

Hope this helps.

Duke
dukerundley
Hi,

I've been trying to locate the last few books from Rampa. These
include:

As it Was!
I Believe
Three Lives
Tibetan Sage

I've looked around and found some astonishing prices for some of
them (someone was trying to sell their tibetan sage for $900!!).

In any case, I've found some decent prices from people selling them
on eBay but the last two still seem expensive to me. Someone's
selling Tibetan Sage for $35 and Three lives for $30. Is this too
much? Other earlier books are going for $2-$10.

How much should we expect to pay for these? Any other place to look
for them besides ebay?

Thanks
Duke
Something Like Laughter
$30-$35 is a normal price for new hardback or trade paperback books.
Lotus Flower
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<span style='color:indigo'>If I'm not mistaken T. LOBSANG . RAMPA, was the source for the creation of what is today known as Rampa-ism.

Relative to the claims that he inhabits a man's body; Buddhists believe the Buddha to incarnate into mortal form. Perhaps he thought this history would allow him to adopt the posture and make a living at it?!

He was proven to be a fraud many years ago, as his claims caused some in the Scholarly community to procure a private investigator so as to ferret out, if you will, the truth behind the claims. Turns out his book, "The Third Eye', was his biggest seller, of the 13 books he wrote before his death in 1981. (*Source Link*) </span> mellow.gif


The Investigator claimed Rampa was a fraud because the person he was investigating had never actually been to Tibet nor had he had a "third eye" operation. However, in one of Rampa's books, he said that he took over the body of (I seem to recall it was an Irishman - probably mistaken lol). If this were true and for the sake of argument, let's say it was, investigating this Irishman/Englishman would indeed show that he had never been to Tibet nor had the op. However, the spirit of Rampa is different and would indeed have lived in Tibet etc, he would have just been in a different body. Therefore, this Investigator was actually investigating the wrong person.

I wonder if the Investigator had ever tried to find out about the Monastery Rampa was supposed to be brought up in, for instance, was there such a place, such people etc etc.

People are quick to debunk things, maybe we should debunk the debunkers lol.

I remember reading "The third Eye" when I was 13 years old - I took it off a shelf in the library, sat down and left the library five hours later - I couldn't put the book down LOL.

I ended up reading quite a few of his books and each one was very, very interesting.

I always think there are more things that are mysterious in this world than logical and just because they do not appear to make sense doesn't mean they are rubbish.
Tedd
Having recently stumbled across several of Rampas' books at a local antique/curio shop, my fond remembrances of perusing his writings some 25 years ago prompted me to buy them. Re-reading these books with the somewhat more skeptical outlook of middle age, I was delighted to find that I had not completely lost my sense of wonder. Ultimately, what difference does it make if he never lived in Tibet? The important thing, in my opinion, is that many of his words resonate with truth. If we cannot prove the truth of his claims, neither can we disprove them. To my mind, his most important message is the reminder that we know very little, a fortunate circumstance that can renew the happy state of childlike wonder at the delightful mystery which is everyday life.
crystal sage
Just found a site with over 6000 Tibetan photos.. some about 100 years old...worth a look for all you Rampa fans!!! grin2.gif


http://tibet.prm.ox.ac.uk/photo_1999.23.1.31.6.html
The Nechung Oracle, Lobsang Namgyal, seated on a chair

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Tibetan lay and monk officials at a party at Dekyi Lingka.
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Wu Chung hsin walking towards a sedan chair
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Basil Gould and officials ascending Potala steps <<<<>>>>Reception at Dekyi Lingka hosted by Basil Gould

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http://books.google.com/books?id=3BPsOQe65...4KeDgV8g9dPBiJk
crystal sage
The 14th Dalai Lama Tenzing Gyatso as a child in Amdo <<<>>>>>> The 14th Dalai Lama's family and servants in Lhasa

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http://tibet.prm.ox.ac.uk/photo_1999.23.1.14.3.html


The Nechung Oracle, Lobsang Namgyal, seated on a chair <<<<>>>>Gelukpa Incarnation Lama

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The 13th Dalai Lama at Yatung <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> Dalai Lama's sermon in square outside
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linked-image The Thirteenth Dalai Lama on throne in Norbu Lingka
Lotus Flower
Hey Crystal, they are great photos!

Thanks for the pictures and the link thumbup.gif
crystal sage
...Walk-in??... possession by Avatar?????

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http://www.karenmutton.com/rampa/transmigration.htm
TESTIMONY OF SANYA KUAN S.R.N
"..As far as I can see, it appears that the announcement regarding the author of 'The Third Eye' has done nothing but enhance Lobsang Rampa's prestige, and resulted in bringing his best seller more than ever before the public eye. One lady, an authority on eastern methods and religions, made the remark that if the facts were true, then Lobsang Rampa was an even greater person than ever. Now she is certain that the facts ARE true.
Many people will wonder about the one who occupied that western body before it was taken over by a Tibetan, and I , as the wife, would like to tell something of the events leading up to the change of personality.
At the first indication of something different, I was more than a little startled. We were leading a quiet life in Surrey, my husband being on the staff of a correspondence college in an advisory capacity. Out of the blue came his remark toward the end of 1947. "I am going to change my name." I looked at him aghast for I failed to see any point in doing such a thing. We had nothing to hide, nothing from which to run away. It took me some time to recover after he continued, "Yes we will change our name by Deed Poll. We shall call ourselves KuanSuo."
By February 1948 all legal formalities had been completed and we had no further right to our previous name. My husband's employer was not pleased, but there was little he could do about it, especially as about that time one of the firm's directors had made an alteration to his own name.
Of course, everyone thought that we had at least taken leave of our senses, but that never bothered me. I had lived with my husband for eight years and knew that if he had a hunch to do anything at all, there was a very good reason for it. Soon, however, we noticed that people were not saying our name when addressing us, and even after seeing it written, they didn't seem able to spell it; for that reason we later contracted it to Ku'an. I want to clarify this point to show that we have no time used an alias as has been mistakenly suggested.
At about this time my husband talked a great deal about the east and on occasions he did in fact wear eastern dress; he often seemed to be very pre-occupied in his manner, and I have known him to fall into a ’trance state’ and speak in an unfamiliar tongue, which I now believe to be a language of the east. In July 1948 he again made a sudden decision... this time to give up his job. This he did to the consternation of the employer who had always found him to be a very useful and conscientious member of his staff. The idea behind it was so that we could leave the district and lose all contact, which we did. Within a year he had completely lost touch with previous acquaintances and with our former life. We managed to exist on what we had saved, together with what we could earn from various forms of writing.
The day I happened to look out of the window and see my husband lying at the foot of a tree in the garden, is something I shall never forget. I hurried out to find he was recovering, but to me a trained nurse, he seemed to be stunned or something. When eventually he regained consciousness, he seemed to act differently and in a way I did not understand.
After getting him indoors and upstairs to our flat to rest, the main thought in my mind was to get a doctor as quickly as possible, but I was reckoning without him... He seemed to sense my alarm and implored me not to do so, assuring me that he was quite alright. Certainly his speech seemed different, more halting, as if he was unfamiliar with the language, and his voice appeared deeper than before.
For sometime I was quite concerned for something seemed to have happened to his memory... before speaking or moving he appeared to be making calculations; much later I learned that he was 'tuning' into my mind' to see what was expected of him. I do not mind admitting that in the earliest stages I was very worried, but now it seems quite natural. I have never ceased to wonder that such an ordinary individual as myself should be so closely associated with such a remarkable occurrence as the advent of a Tibetan lama to the western world."


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisd...sang_Books.html
Phoenix13
HELLO! I'm really new at this. I mean that its the first time I use forum in general, so mind any errors.
Hello ... from Greece.

I read the whole series tree years ago. It was then when I felt ready to do so. Those books where read from my parents and my grandma ( fathers mam ) before me. I must admit, I feel very lucky I read them and was able to talk about them with my family.

I believe that T.Lobsang Rampa is telling truths and those with open mind, whatever their religion is, deep inside know actualy what is true and what is not. So don't mind what the others say. Just believe what your "guts" feel.
Omnaka
If he says good wise things that help you in your daily and spiritual life then,By all means use him as A teacher, Thats probably what he feels his purpose.

If its good , Go for it!

If its not Learn from it.

Sorry, wrong thread.

Love Omnaka
crystal sage

Just thought this would be interesting....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/arts/des...amp;oref=slogin

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http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/01/0...LIDESHOW_5.html
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Alice Roosevelt, the president’s daughter, in China.

His traveling party — a remarkable 83 people — included 21-year-old Alice Roosevelt, the president’s daughter, and Representative Nicholas Longworth, who would soon marry Alice and later become speaker of the House. The beauteous Alice was besieged by photographers on board the ship and received the royal treatment wherever she debarked.

Photo: Trustees of H.F. Woods Camp Trust
Mademoiselle
Great pics . Thanx.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE (The Council of Nine @ Jun 7 2005, 09:26 AM) *
I have a collection of books (18 in all) written by T. LOBSANG . RAMPA

Many of you may have read "The Third Eye" his first and most successful book.

For some reason one day I started collecting them, over the course of seven years (I was 17 at the time) I gathered the complete collection.

He claimed to the Tibetan Priest has "Transmigrated" into the body of a lowly Englishman (in a nutshell!)

I have my views of the man. On the whole his ideas and beliefs are wild but with good intentions.

Many people believed him to be nut! maybe he was but I have read and reread his books over the years (I'm 32 now) and his ideals have helped me in many different aspects of my life.

Has anyone read his books?

Do you think he is fraud, charletan?

Lots of people do.... but he has done nothing but teach me respect for the world around me.

I have never met anyone who has read any of his books, I would appreciate your views please.

Also to find out if I am missing any books!


Regards

CON thumbsup.gif


Hey, check this out, very interesting i thought grin2.gif http://youtube.com/watch?v=G18NfN76bAs
Compline
'The Council of Nine' "He claimed to the Tibetan Priest has "Transmigrated" into the body of a lowly Englishman (in a nutshell!) Has anyone read his books? Do you think he is fraud, charletan? ..."

The Third Eye should be required reading for all children when they are ready to understand it. Wonderful book. Till today I pick up copies in used book shops to give away. I remember so many bits and pieces from even the flower preserved till brittle in honey, the accident. the trip to gather hebs, the giant couple. Even felt a pang at the thought that I was born in the year of the Iron Tiger when Tibet was invaded by China and then has been so de-culturalised and robbed.

I began to buy and read his subsequent books but found them increasingly less absorbing. Also read about the investigation. But years later, reading other sources about 'walk ins' i.e. people who took over a body willingly given up by the original occupier who no longer wanted to continue for a variety of reasons, Lobsang Rampa's claim became 'possible'.

I concur with the others. If you are content with his writings, go with them. After that you may want to explore Alexandra David-Neal and read also Lama Anggarika's The Way of the Whie Cloud. But, DO also while reading ... from books: knowledge, from Action [which includes meditation]: Enlightenment



Mister Zero
I know this is an old post, but I've been reading these books lately, so here are my thoughts:


About the debunking of T. Lobsang Rampa's books/lifestyle:

Clifford Burgess is the name of the detective hired to originally find and debunk T. Lobsang Rampa/Cyril Henry Hoskins.

'What Burgess discovered was that Rampa had never been to Tibet, nor had he ever had any operation done to his forehead. Instead Rampa was actually Cyril Henry Hoskins, born in Devon, England, and son of a plumber named Joseph Henry Hopkins.

Cyril, it turned out, had always been interested in the study of the occult. He had studied it as much as he could in his spare time. But one day he had taken his interest a step further. He grew a beard, shaved his head, and began to refer to himself as “Dr. Kuan-suo.”

Burgess confronted Cyril with what he had learned, but Cyril had a ready explanation at hand. He said that while he may have been born Cyril Henry Hoskins, he had become Tuesday Lobsang Rampa because his body had been taken over by Rampa’s spirit. Therefore, according to him, all the information in his book was true.

Despite having been proven to be a phony—a plumber’s son posing as a Tibetan monk— a market still existed for Rampa’s writings. Evidently quite a few people were willing to believe his tale about having been possessed by the spirit of a Tibetan monk. So he continued on with his career as Tuesday Lobsang Rampa, authoring twelve more books before his death in 1981. However, none of them sold as well as The Third Eye.'



As far as I have found, this is all that 'debunks' Lobsang Rampa's books. This does not detail the descriptions of places, events, or people mentioned in the books by Lobsang Rampa. It doesn't validate anything, really, except for what was already told in the books as to what happened.

I've read a few of the books and analyzed them very closely, I'm no professional but a lot of the descriptions of places, people, attitudes, beliefs and corroborating material on certain dubbed 'occult' subjects matches with other sources I've come across. I read a lot about the subjects covered in these books, especially on Eastern religions, Buddhism and Hinduism(or the real name, Sanatana Dharma), as I found my belief system to be closest to those ways of life.

I've studied theories ranging from Atlantis and Lemuria to Hollow Earth theory and such subjects for about 7 years, and I've actually tried involving myself(partway, so far) in deep mediations and almost an actual OOBE(I could see the ceiling without my eyes open and felt a jerk as I came back into full bodily awareness). I haven't seen yet anything that is describes in the books, but I am just a beginner to these things and not traditionally trained.

You don't need to believe me, I don't want ANYONE to just go around trusting random people on the internet, but I'm saying, do the research. The pictures posted above are actually a good start. I haven't looked into them, but it says something that a man from Devon, England, as Cyril Hoskins(or Lobsang Rampa) knew so many intimate details about Tibet and leaders and lamas there. It makes one wonder that if he is not indeed Lobsang Rampa, just how did he come across all of that information? Maybe we should try and figure out if anyone in the stories correspond to real people, and how the places in th stories correspond to real places, circa the mid-1900s, if possible. It's possible as well that many names were changed.
heinrich1858
The spiritual books that really meant the world to me was written by WW Atkinson "Yogi Ramacharaka" , but I read Lobsang's books too .
Not all 18 though . They are free now on the internet ant www.lobsangrampa.org . I read the third eye and I have begun reading the other books .

The message he wants to convey is good although some of the claims are a bit wild .
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