Does anyone have any good information on any testing that may have been done on stone levitation using techniques that may have been used by the Egyptians or Tibetans ( http://www.crystalinks.com/levitationtibet.html )?

Edward Leedskalnin supposedly used some ancient technology to create the Coral Castle in Florida.. ( http://www.keelynet.com/leed.htm )

Anyone know anything about this?

Thanks.

I can tell you this much
nobody has ever used levitation to move stone blocks
You're not aware of how the egyptians moved them,
wehn they say that Leedskalnin supposedly used some ancient technology you'd do better to translate it as "he used an ancient technique"

After watching a special about his construction on the "castle", I wonder how he did the work by himself?
I've watched a few documentaries about the construction of the castle and there are quite a few instances where he was alone when the giant slabs were moved.
Here's a link for more information about the mystery.
The Coral Castle Mystery

I drag this link out about 5 times a month when this "how does one man lift a large block" question comes up.
http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/

The original pulleys, ropes, and equipment that were used by Leedskalkin are still on dispaly at Coral Castle. Also, he literally worked himself to death; his body showed the wear and tear of a man who did heavy work, not of one who floated blocks through the air.

Maybe he used his body as a fulcrum huh
lol

I love it when they say "isn't it more reasonable to think that ancient Celts (or some other people) levitated menhirs (or some other big stone), rather than saying that they used logs and ropes and their own strength?". It's sh**.

Okay, you convinced me!!!
I just thought it was an interesting idea ever since I saw it on "In Search Of" back in the 70's.
The voice of reason has finally taken over.

He supposedly used sonic vibration to lighten the stones in order to move them into position.

Why is it that as soon as this article mentioned "an energy grid which powers UFOs," did I stop reading it immediately?

that means bullcrap....

Yes, well, so did the monks, the Celts, and the Egyptians, and yet, all these megalithic builders all over the world somehow failed to leave the slightest trace of this method behind.

yea
it wuldhave save us time to build skycrapers
and other 'big' buildings......

No trace? Did they now. Science is our trace.

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Here's the whole paragraph so that it can be used in context with your quote.


"B. J. Cathie, a captain flying with National Airways Corp. of New Zealand and author of "Harmonic 33" and "Harmonic 695, the UFO, and Anti-Gravity," looks into the Coral Castle mystery. His well-researched theory is that a vast power grid, governing a whole array of extraordinary and unrelated world phenomena, has been set up "between some groups on this planet and UFOs."

Although this theory sounds ridiculous, it's no more strange then some of the other theories that were basis for things that eventually became fact.

Not arguing, just pointing something out.

Point taken. But please understand, when your theory centers around alien power grids and shadow governments, a level-headed, knowledgeable individual is not what springs up inside your mind.

It's funny that you say that!!
I get the same feeling reading some of the "conspiracy theories" posted here at times!!

Ah hey, so we understand one another, you and I

Exactly!!!

The reason I ask is that I keep seeing this Leedskalnin stuff popping up all the time.. There is a site that has his magnetism tests (from the brochures you can buy if you go there) and they sound like an uneducated man trying to explain a semi valid scientific phenomenon. He seems to use the wrong terms for effects but his thought process seems clear.

Some of his stuff seems crackpot, but some other info is interesting.

http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/magcur3.txt

Trust me...don't be concerned about asking questions.
I've been interested and fascinated by the castle for quite awhile.

He seemed to understand more how the great pyramids and some of the wonders of the world were created more than some of the top scientists at the time.

Nah, he just said he did.

I understand more how the great pyramids and some of the wonders of the world were created more than some of the top scientists at this time.
see now i've said it
must be true huh

Ah, but do you have a book full of funky fractal designs that you believe are geo-magnetic super-duper ley line brick floating power thingies to back up your claims?

No but i have an orthodox article being published at the the Robert Schoch Website next week !
does that count

You guys are cracking me up!

I'm serious
I understand more how the great pyramids and some of the wonders of the world were created more than some of the top scientists at this time.
hehehe

The Temple of Jupiter at Baalbek, Lebanon has a foundation that contains the three largest stone blocks ever used in a man-made structure. Each block is estimated to weigh as much as 1,000 tons! No super crane in existence today could lift one, yet they are positioned together with such precision that not even a needle could fit between them. Nearby is an even bigger stone. Known as Hajar el Hibla - the Stone of the Pregnant Woman - it lies abandoned in its quarry, never used. But the giant rectangular block is the largest piece of stone ever cut by humans, weighing an incredible 1,200 tons. It is estimated that it would require the strength of 16,000 men to even budge it, and represents a formidable challenge to 20th century machines and technology.

On an isolated plateau at Tiahuanaco Bolivia, 13,000 feet above sea level, stands an impressive monument called Puerta del Sol, or Sun Gate. The elaborately carved gate weighs an estimated 10 tons, and how it arrived at its present location is a mystery.


Nan Madol, sometimes called "the Machu Pichu of the Pacific," is a great ruins on the island of Pohnpei, capitol of the Federated States of Micronesia. This lost city, constructed around 200 B.C., is made up of hundreds of stacked stone logs, each about 18-feet-long and several feet in diameter. The logs, stacked like cordwood, constitute walls that are 40 feet high and 18 feet thick. Each stone log is estimated to weigh about 2.5 tons. How they were moved and lifted into position is unknown.

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Just to name a few.........


To be honest some form of technology, alternative to what we are often exposed to would have made sense and be a lot more practical than human or animal
power.

When the Catholics first appeared in Mayan land they noted, that the only evidence of the application of the wheel was in relation to childrens toys.

At least that is what I have been told.

Any thoughts?

Ah...let's think about that for a moment.

Wishful thinking and sense aren't the same thing. Ever since Og had to drag a mammoth back to the cave, people have been wishing for better methods to get hard work done. That doesn't mean we get to give Og a magic rock that makes his meals float at the touch of a finger.

The thing about technology is that it does not develope in isolation. Not well, anyway. Take, for instance, the wheel. In in part of the world, where there was much scientific communication between many different people, we see the wheel develop from a simple roller to a wagon. In another part, where societies where pretty much isolated, the wheel never grew beyond a child's toy.

The same thing applies to whatever technology would have allowed people to move monolithic blocks. It would not simply disappear without a trace. In all the history that preceded it's manifestation, and all the time that followed, there would be some sort of record indicating its existance. It's inevitable. Technology like that could not have developed with a lot of different input, and somebody would have written down something.

I beg to differ aquatus sound technology was unknown until very recent assessments established it
as fact.

And yes somebody probably did write it down but...........

The Mayan civilization is where sound technology was most apparent, so in fact they may have not been as isolated as you seem to consider.

Perhaps they went beyond simply directing sounds to long distances with pinpoint
accuracy.

Any thoughts?

You're just one big fart, Marduk.

Personal Attack A R
who pushed your on switch
We were all having a laugh til you turned up all bitter and twisted
why has almost every post youve made lately started with my name
got an obsession going on ?

Besides. The statement i made is true
as you'll see next monday huh

So, you're going to prove this egghead knowledge you have by proving what the brightest minds haven't been able to do in thousands of years? I don't think so. I'm a smart guy, but I'm not that knowledgeable, and I don't think you are either.

Shows you just don't know me well enough then doesn't it
fyi you will soon be getting all the answers to the following questions


1. Who founded Egypt
2. Who built the Sphinx
3. The face that the Sphinx originally had and why it was defaced
4. The final solution to the Nazca mystery
5. Who the Olmecs were and where they came from
6. Where the design for pyramids ziggurats and the temples of the ancient world came from and why they are all so similar
7. How ancient navigators explored the entire world 5000 years ago, and which route they took and who they interacted with
8. Who the Egyptian god Thoth was and what his real name was
9. Who is responsible for English chalk figures and why they were built
10. The events that led to the original flood myth
11. Who the ancient peoples were talking about when describing white gods with beards that arrived from the sea
12. Why first dynasty Egyptian statues have blue and green eyes
13. Who built the Easter island heads and why
14. Who the Caucasian mummies found in china and New Zealand were
15. Why stone circles are found all over the globe and why they were built (including Stonehenge)
16. Why Norse mythology is based upon the raven
17. The literal location of the garden of Eden

ok ?
Didn't i always say to do your own research
it pays dividends

Not entirely sure what your point is. The discovery that sound can be channeled by physical objects is a very basic one. The step from that to intentionally designing something to make sound work for you isn't all that great a leap. Now, if you were to jump from there to, say, moving physical objects with sound, yes, then we would have a bonafide mystery on our hands, but as it is, all the evidence we have was that these people discovered the basics of what we call today the science of acoustics, and took it as far as they could with what they had.

If I missed your point, please tell me.

cant wait Marduk

I disagree that with the suggestion that this is a very basic development as there are no pyramids like this anywhere else in the world.

Sound can be used to move objects (placing something on top a speaker with a full volume suffices as evidence).

Sound actually propagates in Planks/space time (many do not know that).

So, its a matter of decibels

So really all we are discussing is their ability to amplify sounds

"I was in Northern Guatemala last year at some famous ruins that I have forgotten the name of (mostly to my brush with death from an intestinal parasite). Two pyramids stand face to face with a football field sized court between them, and low steps and wall on either side. One could easily hear a person talking in a normal voice at the opposite end of the grass covered courtyard. As we were working on a film and were trying to get wide shots, we used this phenomenon to our advantage, where yelling or radios would have been the normal practice. What was even more amazing, were that the stones of the pyramid were some type of resonant stone! I sat on one a foot square and when tapped it would produce a clear short sustained sound. A large part of the pyramid seemed to be made of this "limestone" as the locals called it, and the result was that as a person descended from the top of the pyramid, on the slightly over-sized steps, they would drop slightly and thus create a huge gonglike sound that would resonate across the courtyard and out into the surrounding area. It was amazing to hear the whole temple resound to a persons footsteps! Well worth the trip for you ear tourists!"

To conclude that they did not learn to create the means to make this technology mobile and therefore apply it would be the next step developmentally speaking for them, not really so far beyond their ability as you seem to feel.


That such a technology could actually produce the number of decibels to be effective, with regards to for example the larger stones.Would mean that it would probably be substantive (large), but not outside the realm of what could have been possible (after all these people built cities).

Your correct aquatus1, understanding how such matters as sound technology, as it is described today by scientist, could have been easy to comprehend in theory seems right.

In practice though it is not really that well understood today while we are able to use this technology to muffle sound (the new barriers often now seen on expressways) the idea of designing say a football stadium (open air or closed) using Mayan sound technology is not within our current ability to reproduce.

And as far as the knowledge of how this technology was possible, well it was documented, that documentation was destroyed after 1492.

Any thoughts?

PS: Take into consideration that before the above mentioned Pyramids were actually built Mayans first made a functional model (a much smaller version)This model was used for the purpose's of tunning, for the desired effect from there......

Also just to mention, the words "sound technology" underlined in my last response to you is a link.

I'm still not quite sure what your point is. What claim are you making?

Whatever it is its bound to be factually incorrect
The mayans didn't build their own pyramids and temples
they inherited them
so the claim that they had made a small model for tuning purposes is both laughable and also a deliberate lie

but then thats about normal for "Toltec" the Roman Catholic Ninja
Who can't remember which mesoamerican sites he's visited and can never supply a link to any of the things he says
funny that dontcha think

Well, where are my answers?

What was the question again
i was asleep

aquatus1 my point being that ancient man did in fact develop the means to move stone/solid objects with sound technology.

They were very efficient at it as well and in fact such items as the legendary Ark of the Covenant (often identified as a communication devise which would also be used as a weapon) may have been derived from the development of that technology.

Such a conclusion in relation to our conversation does appear clear and apparent what did you think I was talking about?



"Whatever it is its bound to be factually incorrect
The mayans didn't build their own pyramids and temples
they inherited them
so the claim that they had made a small model for tuning purposes is both laughable and also a deliberate lie"



"but then thats about normal for "Toltec" the Roman Catholic Ninja
Who can't remember which mesoamerican sites he's visited and can never supply a link to any of the things he says
funny that dontcha think "

Actually I do not have to supply links to anything I can simply relate information as it has been presented to me. This is not a newspaper article its simply a forum get over it. To be clear I can recall most of the mesoamerican sites I have been at they do not present the legends I discuss either, again irrelevant, there are very strange legends in ancient culture that you wish to claim that I am deliberately lying is offensive. Perhaps indicative of some obbsesion on your part with your own pet theories which conflict with these legends.

Let me again make myself clear where I grew up there is a phrase that is commonly used to describe my impression of your opinion with regards to the validity of my statements, as to if they are in fact legends.

That phrase being "so what" if perhaps you feel that badgering me about this issue over and over again provides you with a sense of duty, feel free. I will be more than happy to repeat myself for the sake of anyone else who would read said responses.

That you are actually capable of going beyond sounding like an African Gray could in conversation actually be interesting thus far I have no evidence that its within your ability.

Feel free to take that to the proverbial bank Marduk (a common expression).


Any thoughts?

Likewise!

Actually, this is the first you've mentioned anything about moving rocks with sound.

No, I do not agree in any way that ancient man had any sort of ability to move rock with soiund technology. Frankly, I don't believe it could ever be an efficient means of work, simply due to the massive amounts of energy that is required to produce a very low amount of work.

Ancient man knew how to make an echo, and some raised it to an art form, but that is all they did. There is no reason to believe, and plenty not to, that they could move anything with sound.

"1) There was a circle of stone on the ground in the middle of a long ball court. When you stood on it the person standing on a similar circle at the head of the court (in the king's "booth") you can converse with that person as if they were a few feet away. The volume and clarity was startling considering that the stones were far apart (like 60+ meters). Very uncanny even by modem standards. I heard it for myself."

Thats not just an echo we can actually do this now with electronics.

That aspect of it is, making it possible to transmit sound at a distance, in such a way, that even if two people are standing next to each other and facing the speaker (which is sending the sound), only one person could hear it.

And to be clear, in the above example there is nothing for the sound to bounce off.

Could they have learned to amplify sound in similar ways


Any thoughts?

That is just an echo, whether or not we can do it today with electronics. A similar phenomena occurs at the Capital building, under the dome. It is basic acoustics.



The whole place is enclosed on all sides except the ceiling. I have been there too. The sides are actually steeper than a modern stadium, which also does a pretty good job at reflecting sound.



Yes, they did. Basic acoustics. Buildings designed to amlify sound. Nothing mysterious here. Certainly nothing to indicate anything as prepostorous as moving rocks with sound.

these people that built these places in the mountains.
where o where o where do you think they got their understanding of Echo's from exactly. doh
i mean toltec you seem to be claiming an extra terrestrial hypothesis again.
when in reality you are manipulating the truth to sound knowledgable
haven't you noticed how few people even bother to reply to your posts.
My ancestors passed this legend through the family line is a load of bull
even your vatican claims were ludicrous but youre still claiming them.
Native American, Japanese, Jewish, African German, Chinese and Spanish
that means mongrel surely. it doesn't make you an expert of legends from all those places without providing proof.
so far yu haven't provided any for anything

"I had a Great, great, great, great grandfather who in his life dealt with two issues in relation to having had the existence of his tribe threatened.

One is currently represented by about 120 Spanish Man of Wars sunken off the Puerto Rican coast of the Fort, El Morro. You will not find that information on the internet either (even that there was even a battle)
but the ships are still their and with no record for them being there does make for interesting conversation. "
No its a lie. 120 spanish ships off puerto rico. AHAHAHAHA in the middle of the most popular sport diving spots on earth. Did they get completely buried in silt or something then ?


Largest spanish fleet ever assmebled was the spanish armada. (140 ships)
That was a victory by one race you don't claim to be from.
And imo that speaks volumes
Now from now on Toltec I'm gonna respond in full to any post of yours that doesn't use
1) honesty
2) links to websites
and i'm gonna respond with as much sarcasm and ridicule i can muster
So you'd better stop talking crap.
Cos if you do
thats what i'm gonna make you look like


heres the first ok
you are actually claiming to be a ninja now then
"Are you familiar enough with Ninjitsu legends to have heard that
Ninjas supposedly had the ability to look at something and a moment later, understand its function and how to use it (like to fly a plane or
open a safe). "

I am familiar with the movies that you've watched that make that claim.
i have also studied Ninjutsu for real. Nobody ever made that claim
Thats statement you made about being able to fly a plane or open a safe.
Open a safe ?
you are incredibly stupid if you expected me to believe that.
incredibly stupid


btw i'd love to hear what the other experience your Great, great, great, great grandfather had in relation to having his tribe threatened.
Maybe he was abducted by sitchenites or something who told him all about the secrets of the annunaki.
Or was he an assistant to leonardo da vinci for a few years and ended up painting the last supper while leo was drunk
are you drunk ?

To be clear Aquatus1 Ballcourts were not as you describe them and as a result I do not feel your conclusions are in fact correct.

Ballcourts are open air with little if any walls to speak of, at least not as you have described them Aquatus1 and an echo resounds around a room, it does not travel to a particular place, in which no walls intercede with it, without first being heard by others is such open air courts as were and are Ballcourts.

Also, that the alleged Ark of the Covenant was in fact derived from this technology to be clear moving rock with sound is actually quite simple its a matter of amplifying the sound.

That you seem to believe that to have been impossible says more about you than it does about the possibility of it in fact being correct. Clearly, that the extent of the technology was only discovered (discussed) very recently, bespeaks of a fear within the context of how sound technology was interpreted, during the European invasion.

Truth is, if you would not have minded providing all concerned with an actual explanation. As to how the Mayans did it when I explained, that we currently
do not know how it was done (as you did state prior to me saying that, it was in reality very simple to understand).

Then your argument would probably make sense, otherwise making valid conclusions in respect to your opinion does not answer the riddle and therefore not a valid response.

Marduk, where oh, where do you get the idea that talking about my background is so important.

I now see the value of the term PM in this forum

Marduk, that I have chosen to present my personal life in relation to these discussions. Is more or less an attempt on my part, to not only just tell the truth about its origins, but also to present myself alternatively to simply the role I play in day to day life.

See with my background feel uncomfortable talking to me because they feel I would think they were crazy. When I tell these stories as they should be told it often makes people more comfortable in talking to me, because they realize that
I am no different than them.

And a very important point is I am not different

Marduk that this is my intention and that you thought otherwise is really weird man. Mostly because a person with my background when wanting to relax would
not want to be spending time analyzing everything from the context of personality theories and the current thought on enviroment vs internal motivations argument.

You seem motivated for some reason, to not realize, that if a person like me allows his personal life to be a subject of discussion. Its because he wants to relax around those he is doing so to.

Ergo an offer of friendship.

I don't think you are stupid enough though to not have considered this so.....

OK its my turn........

Does the fact you display the words "and the south shall rise again" so prominently, indicative of you being a supporter of the racial bias often implied
in such words?

Are you in anyway affiliated with the Klu Klux Klan also?


Its clear in relation to your presentation "The Newest Unexplained Mystery Ever" that you offer a clearly common racial bias. This being that in some way, race can be identified physiologically and this beyond the actual pigmentation of the skin.

These comments of yours in relation to what I have presented, as related to my personal life are blatantly a personal attack. In response sir, I would for the record like to say you sir that seem to be some kind of opportunist by verdure
of an assessment of all your responses to my contact to date.

As far as the rest of my feelings in relation to your comments ..........

As I made clear in this edited version of our actual conversation in PM, what you think about me is unimportant.

That you would have done exactly what you did, was taken into consideration as something you would do.

And matter only in relation to my impression of you as a person

With respect to you and the word honor sir

Beyond any shadow of doubt you have proven to me that you have none.

And I do not need verification to prove that sir outside of our conversations to date, you have been very cooperative in that sense as I trust you probably are in most of you dealings with those around you.

What exactly is a PM Marduk?

Its a Private Message.

What does that make you Marduk?

Read the post over.

Any thoughts?