Actually I know of an archeologist who did claim find evidence that the Tibetan god of death was actually a Mayan king.

He never published those results he claimed to have good reasons.

Harmonic convergence cannot be applied under the same conditions as in Mayan Ballcourts without electronics.

Solving for that is clear (if one uses electronics)

But not under such conditions as exist in Mayan ballcourts where
no electronics is used.

You are referring to closed enviroments.

Walls and ceilings

The effects that can be generated in Mayan ballcourts cannot be repeated in modern stadiums. People standing in one part of a stadium cannot hear people
standing 500ft away when they are talking in a normal tone of voice.

Even if the place is empty.

You can solve for such things in closed stadiums (mathematically) but that the state of the art compares to the Mayans is out of your purview.

There is no such thing as a modern day re-creation of a Mayan ballcourt by now someone would have noticed it.

It would make a wonderfull tourist attraction if one had.

Facts of life.

Now perhaps adding to the conversation.......

'Invisible Wall' Phenomenon

This link is primarily presented in relation to its discussion on the subject of sound but is unedited .

Ancient sound technology

This one is included in relation to the acoustical phenomenon link I presented earlier (its included in that site).

Interesting in relation to your work aboard the George Washington she is an incredible ship you should be proud.

Marduk I modified this post to respond to you.

Can you elaborate on you most recent response?

Any thoughts?

From the missing tablet XII
"Tablet XII

'That time when I verily ha[d]' the Drum in the

carpenter's house,

[ (When] the carpenter's wife was verily like my mother

who bore me],

[ (When) the carpenter's daughter was verily like my

younger sister] !

Lo, [who will bring up] the Dr[um from the nether

world] ? "
So in 3000bce they had drums

In Stone Age Soundtracks Paul Devereux puts forward a simple but hugely perceptive idea. That ancient peoples purposely designed ancient sites such as Stonehenge to have powerful and effective acoustic properties. For Devereux this first meant acknowledging the importance of sound to ancient cultures, particularly in ritual settings. "It wasn't a visual culture so much as our present culture, it was orally based and traditions were passed down. It was also widespread - we know of a particular style of pottery, for example, which was found as far north as Orkney and as far south as the English south coast. Things were happening, ritualists, adepts and experts were moving around the culture".

Devereux and a team of researchers began sonic testing of sites such as the Neolithic burial chamber Waylands Smithy on the Berkshire downs. Their research drew intriguing results. "We kept picking up this frequency, the chambers were resonating at 110 HZ which is the lower baritone range". This was echoed in sites such as Cornwall's Chun Quoit, a megalithic dolmen and Newgrange burial chamber in Ireland. This was to be one of only several discoveries made by the team........

Rest of Article

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http://www.neolithic.reading.ac.uk/stoneci...raquorthies.htm

http://www.neolithic.reading.ac.uk/passagegraves_helm.htm


Any thoughts?

man this toltec guy is funny....he should be a comedian...one of the ones you throw rotten tomatos at....kind of like the town idiot


on a more serious note, i believe in the power of sonic technology.

i once put some paper around a comb and blew loudly....all of a sudden i heard a crashing sound......
that could be attributed to a demolition program on tv ( done with explosives...not someone talking the building to destruction, though im sure you, Toltec, could do that easily) but i really think i made something crash with my comb. i carry it with me everywhere, incase i get into trouble....ill blow my comb

FK thank you for you response and while you comments are not really appreciated my hope is in preparing this response, is for you to understand that the feelings are mutual in relation my impression of you.

I was really surprised when you presented your opinion as while I was writing i did notice your name as someone reading this thread.

I had the same exact feeling about your presence here and did not want to say anything. But since you did decided to present a response, I could not help but be reminded of the coincidence, as those were just my thoughts about you.

I see your still trying to deal with that impediment of your's its been a while huh.

So hows the family?

Beyond those comments is there anything else you would like to mention in relation to the topic?

Any thoughts?

He's just saying what everyone else thinks about you Toltec
deal with it or change
your choice

Probably knew he had to have more evidence than he did.



Harmonic convergence has nothing to do with electronics. The formulas only need two things: Source(s) of sound and reflective area.



No, I am not. If there is a ceiling, then that is an extra reflective surface that is added to the equation. If there is no ceiling, than one only adds the walls, or whatever reflective surfaces are present.

Toltec, do you know what Harmonic Convergence is? In the physics sense?



Of course not. Stadiums are designed to dampen sound, due to the amount of people in the seats. It is pretty much the same knowledge used for the reverse affect. Music halls are designed to reflect the sound into the audience, although, again, reproducing whispers would be detrimental to the sound quality, so a series of dampeners, including the curtains and carpeting, are placed strategically to reduce that effect.



Not sure I understood this sentence, but it sounds like you are saying that the formula that is used to calculate sound in a stadium can't be used in a Mayan ballcourt? Why would that be? As long as we have a source of sound, and reflective surfaces, why would we not be able to apply harmonics to a ballcourt.



Yes, there is. I have already talked about domed buildings. Do we have anything like open ballcourts? No. We don't build such things in our society. Any enclosed corridors we make are usually sound dampened for safety reasons.



They certainly do. The whisper effect is even worked into the tour of the Capitol Building.

Toltect, you keep insisting that the effect in the ballcourts cannot be harmonic convergence, but every argument you give shows a lack of knowledge as to what harmonic convergence is and how it is calculated. It is beginning to sound like your insistence on this being a mystery is based on nothing more than not understanding this simple principle. Are you capable of describing Harmonic Convergence, if for nothing else than for me to know how much to explain here?

Gee Marduk the feeling is truly mutual, it is not wonderfull when we do find we truly have something in common

Especially since so far your efforts to debunk my claims is so reminincient of my
experiences in working with the developmentally disabled (specifically of the mental category).

Truth be known Marduk if a person ability to respond sinks to that level (as you have in the past) its more a reflection of there inadequacies and insecurities and really has absolutley nothing to do with the person they are responding to.

Its a behavior which is representative of frustration, in realizing that your point is essentially mute. Your inability to compensate for that causes you to react
with hostility as obviously intellectually you cant compete.

What was that again about all those things you were going to prove you had the answers for by the monday that has passed. Perhaps you should have looked into that whole DNA typing thing a little better before actually making such a ludicrous claim.

That however is has nothing to do with me. I did you a favor, at least you were not confronted by someone you actually respect (again the feeling is mutual).

In my opinion you do have a solution to you problem. Stop pretending what you are saying makes sense and you should feel better about yourself as a person.



http://www.homestead.com/rahelio/Harmonic_Convergence.html

The above link I included as it is related to Mayan experiences.

http://www.guitarnoise.com/print_article.php?id=44

http://www.guitarnoise.com/article.php?id=44

Aquatus Ballcourts are not shaped like guitars

http://www.ascension2000.com/sequential1.htm

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId...ic%20motion&ct=

Again ballcourts are not shaped like guitars.

http://www.dprins.demon.nl/convergence/9919.html

http://citebase.eprints.org/cgi-bin/citati...hao-dyn/9902008

In truth you comments seem to go on and on and despite the obvious point no such thing as modern day ballcourt built by "modern society", or even for that matter reproductions in relation to stonehenge, which copies the originals, exits today.

In reality invisible wall phenomenon is actually not fully understood and often related to Mayan sound technology as a potential legitimate response.

In a light of that, your insistence that it can be done is quite entertaining.

As a theory though inconsistent with reality.


Any thoughts?

"Gee Marduk"
lol

Okay....

The answer to my question, then, would be that you do not know what harmonic convergence, in the physics sense, is.

To quickly cover your links:

1) Harmonic convergence has nothing to do with astrology or planets, or any other new age nonsense. It is a principle of physics.

2) The formulas of harmonic convergence can be used in guitars, in stadiums, in music halls, in Mayan ballcourts, and anywhere else that you have sources of sounds and reflective surfaces.

3) Acoustics do not have anything to do with quantum physics, just relative (macro) physics

4) Harmonic motion and harmonic convergence are not the same thing. Harmonic motion relates more to resonance.

5) Again, Harmonic convergence has nothing to do with mystical twaddle (nor do any of the "mysterious vortex" tourist traps have anything to do with gravitational effects. Those are throughly understood as well)

6) Harmonic inversion is not the same as Harmonic convergence. Harmonic inversion is generally used to by-pass the uncertainty principles involved in quantum physics.



So what? Why is so important that we no longer construct buildings with monolithic blocks? Of what importance would copies of these be? What is the point of your paragraph? Harmonic convergence happens regardless of what the reflective surface is, be it a Mayan ballcourt, or a dome, or a guitar. The principles apply to all surfaces.



Yes. Toltec, it is obvious that you attempted to google an answer in order to avoid saying that you do not know what the physics principles of Harmonic Convergence are. It is abundantly clear to anyone who reads these last few posts that you do not know what it is, or understand how it works.

The answer to the 'mystery' of the Mayan ballcourt sound effects is quite simply explained with harmonic convergence. You have a choice: You can learn what harmonic convergence is, and refute the argument in that manner, or continue to stumble blindly in the dark, trying to sound as if you know what you are talking about, but making it clear that you do not.

Either way, until you can actually show that you know what harmonic convergence is, you have no grounds to claim that these principles of physics, which apply to every existing thing in the macro realm, do not apply to a Mayan ballcourt.

i tried to answer Toltec but i do not have a clue what he was talking about when he addressed me in one of his post, i do not mean to be rude but it sounds like he reads a link then changes the words around so it will match his own point, some of what he says is just plain wrong but who can debate with him, he changes the facts around to much, i have read some links from him but they do not match what he writes in his post, am i the only one who can't keep what he is saying straight if so sorry, just don't address me anymore cause it's fruitless for me to try and answer,

so toltec, you can tell what i am like just by knowing im reading this thread?

Don't forget he got caught out as a liar too

i wonder if toltec actually reads and unterstands what he has read. if he did he wouldnt be making a fool of himself ...over and over again..maybe he likes it.

Any Thoughts?


i think aquatus1 has given more than enough scientific facts than he needed to. it is clear there is nothing about these structures that suggest it has some special, super natural, fanstastical advanced technologies behind them.

Any Thoughts?

<pulls out his super paper covered comb and blows>

I am glad i am not the only one who gets lost trying to understand what he is talking about!, i thought it was just me!

Its abundantly clear Aquatus that no reproductions exist in relation to Mayan Ball courts your continued parroting has become boring and you lack of ability to do anything but repeat your self over and over again as mentions is sophomoric.

Its actually been as dull watching paint dry

As far as what I know, I know you have no idea what you are talking about.

This is really a last ditch effort to salvage what has been a dismal example of yuk

You guys have very little to look foward to in life I see

Nonetheless no evidence of such structures in modern day culture folks that what seems real clear. Truth is such a structure if created today would be not just an interesting attraction a but a very unique way to create art.

Truth is such would in fact be a matter of personal pride in ones ancestors and in ones country if for instance the Mexicans could actually make a recreation they would.

The potential benefits outweigh any real cost.

Truth is though despite this very funny interlude ballcourts cant be replicated by "modern society".

If it could such as what was presented here would have had more references to actual physical structures.

As it is clear God himself could come to Earth and under penalty of annihilation
demand that mankind begin making ballcourts as they were made in the past.

They would be required to go into the mountains of central america and hope mesoamericans have a sense of humor.

"so toltec, you can tell what i am like just by knowing im reading this thread?"

Duh No I cannot tell you what you are like just by knowing you are reading this thread"


Isis I do believe that understadning that pyramids actually were finished on the day a pharaoh died is about the more misleading items in common history. That you actually believe that probably has a lot to do with why your having a problem understanding me.

I am sure your trying though as much as you can

Marduk the only liar here is you what I did was stop you from making a fool of yourself.


Aquatus as much as you feel you have made a point you have not. Except of course to mention that you lack any real respect for others, which is something about you more than it is about anyone you interact with.

No physical structures no physical evidence.

No case in point

What you have done is nonsense.

And while you may feel you have more than an elementary background
I assure that is not in relation to your capacity to engage in human interaction.

My gereral opinion is that today you have hit another low and I am
not the only person with that opinion.

I do appreciate your having proving that beyond any shadow of doubt.

Any thoughts?

PS: Marduk close your eyes an imagine what I would say to you

Well that may be so but please give me a link so i can read it for myself, no where in the 15 years i have been into the history of egypt have i ever read that, and if i am wrong i would like to read it myself, you must be getting your information from somewhere, why not share it with me ? If i am wrong i will be glad to say so but untill you can prove it I stand by what i said,( they were sealed when the king was buried), give me the link Toltec, problem solved!!

Ok but let me first be clear I have nothing to do with the way these others are behaving in my conversation with you I referred to having a background in physics, I never said it was formal. for the records as well in any forum I have ever been in I have never claimed otherwise either.


This behavior of Marduk and company is about as useless as (use imagination)

More on sonic properties of Mayan Structures.

http://origin.www.nature.com/news/2004/041...13-5_pf.html#B1

I know very well that the idea of pyramids being finished at the time of death of the pharaoh is common.

I was taught the same thing in school.

I was also taught that the Taino had been wiped out completely that is not the case either.

In relation to that subject pyramids (which I have heard have strange sonic properties as well) and in regards to your question. What I can tell you is that the matter of death was extremely relevant to Egyptians, as was the relevance of pyramids whose pharaoh lived to see it completed that would incur another meaning to the pyramid until he actually died.

Ceremonies are a part of pyramids in other parts of the world and perhaps the reason it is not presented in relation to Egyptians. Is because in the case of those practices they still are applicable in some way and so therefore not offered as a matter of public knowledge.
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The first historically documented Egyptian pyramid is attributed to the architect Imhotep[6], who in constructing what Egyptologists believe to be a tomb for the pharaoh Djozer, it is theorised first conceived the notion of stacking a number of mastabas on top of each other — thereby creating an edifice comprised of a number of steps that decreased in size towards its apex. The result was the Step Pyramid of Djozer — which was designed to serve as a gigantic stairway by which the soul of the deceased pharaoh could ascend to the heavens. Such was the importance of Imhotep's achievement that he was deified by later Egyptians.[7]. Given Egyptologists also credit Djozer with the construction of the impressive "Bent" and "Red" pyramids, it is not understood why if Egyptian pyramids were built as "tombs and tombs only" as Egyptologists believe it would be necessary for one pharaoh to have constructed three.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid

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In truth this reference lends some credence to my statement (though it not very strong), but would also site that the relationship between pyramid and a living pharaoh was consistently about the future. As such, for many reasons pyramids would be a source of focus for introspection in relation to understanding ones destiny in earnest.

And that is what I have been taught was the case.


In truth the commonly voiced conclusion does have gaps and from a context does perpetuate a myth. Pharaohs thought of themselves as related to gods and gods themselves, one cannot escape the potential motivations inherent in treating a pyramid as a temple.

As clearly it was suggested as a doorway to a definition of heaven they felt best fit.

Any thoughts?

Again, so what? Why is it important that no reproductions exist? What would the reproduction of Mayan Ballcourts accomplish?



Yes, well, claims are all well and good, but you still have not shown you understand the simple physics principles of harmonic convergence, while I have shown that you do not.




Quite the contrary. While you remain static at wondering about a mystery that isn't, we can move forward to newer mysteries.



What in the nine heavens does that have to do with showing that the Mayans had the ability to move solid objects with sound? What, other than 'art' would be accomplished by re-creating a Mayan ballcourt? For heaven's sake, if you are tired of me repeating this questions, then answer it already!



The average Mexican worries about whether or not they will be able to have dinner that evening.



Why not? What of the construction of a ballcourt could not be replicated?



What, the walls? What physical structures need more referencing? What is it about harmonic convergence that you do not understand? Tell me, and I will explain it to you in as excruting detail as you like.



Yes, yes, it's always the other person's fault, not your owwn, and certainly not that you might not know as much as you would like to.

Toltec, I have made it very clear that I can fully explain anything about harmonic convergence that you would care to ask about. You have been unable to claim anything other that "this is a mystery." and continue insisting on it. If you can explain why the principles of harmonic convergence do not apply to Mayan ballcourts, then do so. If you do not know what the principles are, then ask and learn.



That will be bad news to the thousands of anthropologist and archeologist in the world.

I suppose that means that we cannot explain why the Great Wall of China still stands, because we have not re-created it. Similarly, The eerie resonance of the Catacombs of England are a mystery, because we insist on burying our dead in the ground.



You think I have been uncivil? You think my behaviour is less than what you deserve? Think again. I respond in the manner that the person acts, and you act more like a child clinging to a belief out sheer hard0headedness than an actual reason to believe the way they do.



Heap all the insults you like, none of that will hide that you cannot explain why a re-creation of a ballcourt is vital to any sort of understanding about it, nor why the principles of harmonic convergence do not explain the sound effect hear in them.

Put up or shut up, Toltec.

oh dear
Toltec has been using Wikipedia as a reliable source of information
"Wikipedia is an encyclopedia written collaboratively by many of its readers. Lots of people are constantly improving Wikipedia, making thousands of changes an hour, all of which are recorded on the page history and the Recent Changes page. Nonsense and vandalism are usually removed quickly."

as you can see the entry now read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids
"The pyramids of Egypt, some of which are among the largest man-made three tier cakes ever conceived [1], constitute one of the most potent and enduring symbols of Ancient Egyptian civilisation. Despite a Pharaoh never having ever been found buried in an Egyptian pyramid, it is generally accepted by most archaeologists that they were constructed as nuclear fall out shelters for gods from other planets and most were built during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods[2]during which many nuclear wars took place Egyptian homes were built on the east bank of the river, the land where the Sun rises. Egyptians built the pyramids on the west bank of the River Nile. They believed this was the land of the dead, because the Sun set there.[3]"

Gosh
nuclear fall out shelters for aliens
why didn't anyone say that earlier

What are they talking about, Tolect has lost me again, and how did i get into his name calling in every post, nucllear fall out shelters, for alien and you gave me a hard time when i asked if they could have helped build the pyamids, men go figure ha! ha!

i dont see how not reconstructing ball courts means that harmonic convergence cannot happen.

there is no reason to build one, all the time and effort will be wasted as apprently we do not have the advanced "sound technology" to make sound converge.

we have to make do with these kind of pitiful attempts at construction to play ball games these days.
i pity us i really do

Its reliable enough Marduk I checked it makes no reference to DNA typing as being related to race


"I don't see how not reconstructing ball courts means that harmonic convergence cannot happen."

there is no reason to build one, all the time and effort will be wasted as apparently we do not have the advanced "sound technology" to make sound converge.

Well thank you for that endorsement I am glad to see you finally agree


If we could then doing so, would be something people would do (Take the example of Mexico) also in plain english its artistic.

that you or for that matter Marduk feels that its a "waste of time" states nothing of the clear point. This that they did exist and do today as a fact of history they are a part of out heritage and culture and to say no different than pyramids structures built in the modern day. Adding Mayan sound technologoy to any structure in fact to buildings in general, could aid in many ways which would cut costs. Unwanted sounds could be suppressed and those we wanted to enhance could be made clearer and able to travel from one corner of those football fields Marduk has presented to another.

Note that some of the scientists mentioned in the link to Mayan sound technology did not have to use radios to talk, while walking apart from each other at the sites.

Nothing we are aware of today could make it possible for a person to speak to another person in a normal tone of voice, from opposite ends of this football field.



Other practical benefits would include parks where children play (to protect them)
even the slightest sound could be heard by parents or police who are standing or sitting in a particular place.

Modifying National parks to make it easier to find people who get lost without electronics (ever seen a cell phone tower at Yellowstone).

In relation to potential understanding this technology could actually aid in many matters for instance related to early warning systems (alarms). Dogs could even hear the sounds of the voice of a master, from the other side of a warehouse
without spending a dime on electricity or with concern over the specific location of security personal all available would be alerted in real time of a problem.

We are getting ready to start building nuclear powered spacecraft for human inhabitants I could see several advantages in this technology one being it
would save power.

This to name a few.......

Having the ability to do this could save lives actually especially these days.

That we do not means we cant.


FreyKad I know what you really meant in relation to what was quoted in this response.

However, it is clear that building a structure which does encorporate Mayan sound technology does not exist and it is because we do not know how to do it.

I would say if it could be done a person would be a billionaire overnight because he marketed it.

One of reasons its so funny you guys are giving me a hard time



Any thoughts?

I am not giving you a hard time i just want to know why you say were are wrong, show me real links, show me why i am wrong, and there will be no reason to doubt you!!so far all you do is write long post with no real meaning behind them, as i said before PROVE it too me i am listen,

blah blah blah
this topic died some time ago along with toltecs ability to reason

Agreed, time to let it go, i give up on getting any real links from him,

Um...yes?

Well, asides from the relative poverty of the country, meaning that artistic takes a back seat to eating, we aren't talking about art; we are talking about the claim that the Mayans needed some sort of unknown technology in order to produce the sound effect of the ballcourts (at some point, we were also talking about moving solid objects with sound, but that is an entirely seperate topic)



Of course they exist. I don't think anyone here has ever even come close to claiming the Mayan ballcourts don't exist. And while I do not consider them any more a part of my heritage and culture than than the Egyptian Pyramids, again, I have to ask, what does this have to do with the claim that the Mayans needed some sort of unknown technology in order to produce the sound effect of the ballcourts?



We already do. The same thing that the Mayans did in their ballcourts, we do in our buildings. The difference is quality. The Mayans were basically interested in the loudest roar they could get (pleasing the gods being a very primal sort of thing). The walls of the ballcourts did that quite well. Now, I think that this is were you are making your mistake. The whisper effect of the ballcourts is not intentional, in the sense that the Mayans were looking to clearly hear a whisper from one end to the other. The whisper effect is a side product of the overlapping sound waves rebounding throughout the court into one overlapping area (harmonic convergence). A whisper, while audible, is not crystal clear, nor did it need to be. It is simply that the light sound waves of a whisper behave in the same manner as the roar of a crowd. The courts themselves were designed for the roar, not the whisper. Today's buildings actually try to eliminate as much excess sound as they can. The reason for this is the the quality of reflected sound degrades rapidly and becomes nothing more than background noise. Since it is much cheaper and efficient to use electronics to transfer sound, we actually design buildings for the purpose of reducing whispers, so that they do not interfere.

In other words, we can replicate the whisper effect, but we do not because our technology gives us the ability to do it better.

But. no, the whisper effect is not the primary purpose of Mayan architecture.



As someone who has had to listen to hoards of children at length, I would most definitely not be wanting this effect



Am I right in saying that you believe the Mayans intentionally wanted to hear whispers from one end of the court to the other?

toltec...you do realise i was being ironic. i DO NOT belive that there were ever "superior acousitc technology".

"toltec...you do realise i was being ironic. i DO NOT belive that there were ever "superior acousitc technology"."



You have of course heard of traveling with animal spirits (animism) and the rituals which are used to initiate that state (not drugs or the new agey stuff).

You probably don't believe in that either right?

Ok do this go to a Native American tribe and immerse yourself in there rituals, actually engage in the practices related to animal spirits and then come back to me and tell me what you think.

And if you think its crap then I respect it but if you’re going to tell me that it’s crap prior to having experienced it. I can be real clear about you not knowing what the freak you are talking about.

You are of course entitled to your opinion but if you actually had the experience you opinion is of course more valid in relation to it based upon something you actually went through (like talking to someone about vietnam who actually
fought as compared to someone who spent those years in Canada).

You know that saying about walking in another’s moccasins?

For me words to live by.

Ironic is it not?

Hi Aquatus glad to see in relation to being consistent you have not changed.

Nonetheless gentlemen, my belief (based upon experience)is that these Acoustic Phenomenon were actually developed on purpose.

Facts are facts the term is Acoustic Phenomenon (phe•nom•e•nons
An unusual, significant, or unaccountable fact or occurrence; a marvel)

Meaning?

I do in reality appreciate the format of this most recent response Aquatus and
FreyKade.

I did not make the site

I am not affiliated with any links I have presented on this subject to date.

I know that in fact the matter is currently unexplained and the idea that it’s simply not done because it’s silly or a totally unwanted effect, is really so over the top that quite frankly it does not impress me.


Aquatus: As someone who has had to listen to hoards of children at length, I would most definitely not want this effect.

In the US we are having serious problems with sexual predators personally anything that could help would be great

To conclude yes Aquatus I believe it and also believe that the Ark of the Covenant is relatable (I known that's a contravercial issue).

It’s not just the legends for me its other issues as well, which unlike the legends
are clear as a bell.

Aquatus:Well, asides from the relative poverty of the country, meaning that artistic takes a back seat to eating, we aren't talking about art; we are talking about the claim that the Mayans needed some sort of unknown technology in order to produce the sound effect of the ballcourts (at some point, we were also talking about moving solid objects with sound, but that is an entirely seperate topic)

To be honest they do make money with the pyramids its a major attraction which has not actually been replicated anywhere on earth. If that was the case i would not had brought it up but it is


All of the potential uses I suggested are valid needs Aquatus and would further add,that the link is updated.So as far as a source of information,or an opportunity
to ask the proper questions........

Now for those who are bored with Marduk tales the rest can be skipped.
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Marduk, the last time reason died in this forum was when you decided to present your most recent effort to prove that you know more that any of the scientist (your own words).


Remember this......



Sure it does and it helps a lot if you actually go out the door of your home to do the research.

That weekend before the alleged historic event, we learned from you that DNA typing is used to determine race when in fact that makes no sense.

It’s for paternity and criminal investigation in fact to be very specific DNA typing has absolutely nothing to do with the determination of race.

What happened Marduk to what by your account was to be one of the greatest moments in history?

By now you should have been on CNN or at the very least knighted by the Queen herself.

Where are the links, which for you, is part and parcel to anyone who wants to get a word in edgewise, in this forum without being insulted by you


Ok so in another thread, you gave me this site. In relation to my query about the famous site from which you gained the information you seemed to proud to present to me on DNA typing.


http://www.bioservers.org/html/sequences/sequences.html

Guess what Marduk, can't find anything in relation to DNA typing being related to acquiring information, on the race of an individual in this site.

This is a sequence server

Don’t you know what that is?

I already explained myself about the 300 sites Marduk; you have not once offered an explanation to what you’re claiming in open forum.

So where is the site Marduk?

You know what Marduk, I am going to start looking for that site and if I find it let me be clear. There will be a new thread at UM with a link attached to my signature.

deal with it or change
your choice

By the way thanks for the pep talk and the orientation.

As a new member it's so nice when others take the effort to expose new members to how things are done and what limits are important.

What do you think about this as a title Marduk "The Legend of DNA typing"
don't you think it has a nice ring to it, especially in a surealistic kind of way.

It also follows a theme which quite frankly will fit into the format I am using.

Or how about "The Art of Zen and DNA Typing" now that has the advantage of being percived as both etheric and based upon modern thought.

What about "Where in the world is DNA typing" now that one I like, its honest and has the advantage of being to the point.

Let me know Marduk time is running out we do of course have a deadline and I will of course be publishing the article in thatb site you seem so fond of.

You know the one where you posted the "Newest Unexplained Mystery Ever"

Any thoughts?

ok now im confused. why, has me saying i dont believe ancient peoples had superior acoustic technology, have anything to do with animal spirits?

the thread is about how these structures were built, if you think sound played a part, then fine. but how does animal spirits help?

nope
this thread is about winding up toltec until he pops
he's come close a few times as you can see by each post he now lists whats wrong with the people who have disagreed with him
next week he'll be wondering why he was banned
like he's done several times before
and probably will again
some people never learn
its a pity really
pity he bothered to post in the first place
like when he said
"By the way thanks for the pep talk and the orientation"
he actually seems to think we owe him something
he's already earned our joint disrespect
i bet he starts posting profanity soon

Ah...okay.



Where did you get that definition? My dictionary says:
"acoustic phenomenon
n : a physical phenomenon associated with the production or transmission of sound"

or were you trying to use the definition of "phenomena" as the definition of "acoustic phenomena"? Dirty pool, old man . Play fair, now.

Well, either way, there is no question that the ballcourt echoes are both unusual and significant. Theyr are, not, however, unaccountable. Now, let me ask the question again, because I don't think you got what I was asking:

Do you think the intention of the Mayan architects was to hear a whisper (just a whisper) from one end of the ballcourt to the other?



Well, I admit that, despite my main reason for being on this forum is to hopefully teach people how to properly research and discover new information, it is true that I, like any other person, sometimes have bad days or lose patience, and become less than scholarly. I try to keep it to a minimum, but I am as human as the next person.



That's just it, though: you don't know it is unexplained, or you would be able to explain why it is unexplained. All you know is that you read somewhere that it was a mystery, and decided to go with that, without researching into whether or not that statement was correct. That's not knowing; that's believing. There's nothing wrong with believing something, but you should always be careful not to confuse an arbitrary belief with a well-supported statement. The statement "the matter is currently unexplained" is an unsupported statement, because no reference is made as to why the matter is unexplained. The statement "The matter can be explained through the principles of harmonic convergence" is both verifiable and can be supported by checking out the alleged explanation.



I have been a teacher, and I live in the U.S., so I have had plenty of experience in regards to child safety. It is precisely because of that that the effect would be more detrimental than helpful. As I explained in my previous post, more sound is not necessarily better. The importance is quality; clear sound, not every conceivable sound. A room with drapes to absorb the sound of the children would deaden all the background noise that would otherwise confuse and drown out a child's cry for help.



Let's stick to one topic at a time. Again, the question is: "Do you think the intention of the Mayan architects was to hear a whisper (just a whisper) from one end of the ballcourt to the other?"

Incidentally, do you know how to use the QUOTE function? It gets a bit confusing without them.



Yes, but they didn't build the pyramids, they just take advatage of them for the tourist trade. And there are pyramids throughout the entire world that the locals use in the exact same manner. Even assuming the locals decided to create their own pyramid, well, guess what: No one would go. Why would anyone be interest in going to see a modern pyramid when they have some centuries old just down the road? It would be a financial disaster for a people who haven't the finance to spare.



I could argue against the validity, but that would be pointless. Why? Because we are talking about this acoustic phenomena and what causes it, and not a single one of your reasons addresses that. You said the whisper effect is unexplainable, and as support you claimed that no one had replicated the ballcourts. I asked what the importance of replicating the ballcourt was, and you responded with all those irrelevant reasons. If replicating the ballcourt would not answer the question as to why the sound effect exists, then there is no point to replicating the ballcourts, for the purposes of the discussion. Whether they would serve a different purpose is an entirely different subject, and not the one we are on.

Toltec...you mention "animism" as some kind of Indian ritual...I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in some ancient cultures actions as being anything but ordinary.

I do not believe in the Superpower aspects of Jesus...I think it was written about him after him and his disciples were long dead. He might have been a special person but lets face it theres nothing "magical" about spirituality...its just a path in life...if you choose.

Maybe in a thousand years we will be worshipping Martin Luther King?!lol

Anyway...I know I was a little off topic with this but I just wanted to add my two cents worth.

How did we get on the topic of harmonic convergence? Or how does it relate to moving stones? It does sound interesting...but what are we trying to say here?

There is a certain Mayan ballcourt which contains an interesting sound phenomena; a whisper made at one end can be heard at a certain spot at the other end. Toltec is making the claim that this is an unexplained mystery, while I am making the claim that this effect can be explained throught the physics principles of harmonic convergence, where sound waves from the source are reflected off of surfaces and at some point converge to create a 'sweet spot', where one can hear the original whisper.

At one point, Toltec also seemed to claim that the source of this whisper effect was somehow indicative of a Mayan ability to move solid objects with sound, and also involved the Ark of the Covenant. I couldn't quite make sense of that part.

basically the topic is about how the big stones were moved.

toltec (i think) suggested that it was some sort of sound that levitated the stones.

marduk gave a link to a guy that could move massive rocks by simple engineering.

toltec said that the Mayan ballcourts and also a couple of the temples were made so that people could hear whispers, and thus leading to mayans having some special sound technology.

aquatus gave some suggestions to how they wernt special and said it was probably due to harmonic convergence

Thanks for filling me in Aquatus...I was a little lost. I fail to see how sound could be directed in the right way to move an object that weighs 2 tons or more though. Its an imaginative suggestion but could you conceptualize how it could be done? I sure cant.

The ark is totally not relevant here. But speaking of the ark...I believe it was an Egyption contraption that may have had some purpose in a ritual or something.

Stumbled upon your conversation here and thought I'd add a couple tidbits that I haven't seen brought up yet. In similar fashion to the claims made by Edward Leedskalnin's neighbors, there are a few other reports of sound being used to assist in the transportation of large stones. Leedskalnin's neighbors reportedly said he would sing to the blocks of coral and they would literally float along. According to legends regarding the Pyramid of the Magician at Uxmal, Yucatan "construction work was easy for them, all they had to do was whistle and heavy rocks would move into place." There are similar stories from Tiahuanaco when they claimed the blocks were "carried through the air to the sound of a trumpet."

In my opinion, the energy from the sound itself isn't being used to "levitate" the object because, as you said before, the sound would need to be of enormous magnitude to carry enough energy. Rather, the sound simply vibrates the molecules in the object with assistance from natural resonance and re-aligns the magnetic poles in such a way that the Earth's field of gravity (magnetic field) pulls less or even pushes slightly away. Similar in function to creating a magnet from a non-magnetized bar.

This would make construction of large objects such as pyramids only logical if they used extremely large blocks. As it is, there are over 1 million blocks forming the Great Pyramid, if they had used smaller blocks that were easily man-handled you can easily quadruple that number if not more.

Anyway... nice forum!

yes but you reduce the stability of the structure by a factor of four at the same time
the egyptians didn't use mortar on their pyramids because they didn't need to
the weight of each block holds it in place
thats why they were able to build a corbelled roof in the kings chamber
and ed leerskin did work himself to death building the coral castle.
i find it hard to believe that whistling is so strenuous

I for one think ol Ed is one of the few people with the right to say he knew how it was done, because he built his castle and 99.9% of his naysayers I do believe would have trouble boosting their own arse from their chair even with a pulley.

It's impressive however it was built. The guy was like 145 pounds.

I don't know exactly how he built it myself but I do know that thinking I can't do it with sound waves or magnets or pulleys so niether could he is a bad idea. He did it, he is dead and call John Edwards if you really want to know



Marduk I think the high walls were to keep the losers from escaping I kid

One thing that would be really nice, is if people could keep their pissing matches out of the posts. I am dyslexic and it's hard enough for me to read without picking through all this crap. I came here hoping to learn new things and I already know enough about fighting.

Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and
I shall move the world . . . Archimedes

It is amazing what can be accomplished through brute force and awkwardness . . . LarryOldtimer