First I wish to apologize if in any way I seemed harsh it has only been because of the harshness that has been imposed upon me.

That apology not being meant for you marduk.


Aquatus there is something I should present.

The Mayans were great sportsmen and build huge ballcourts to play their games. The Great Ballcourt of Chich鮠Itzᠩs 545 feet long and 225 feet wide overall. It has no vault, no discontinuity between the walls and is totally open to the sky. As we approach a silent sentinel stands guard.



Each end has a raised "temple" area. A whisper from end can be heard clearly at the other end 500 feet away and through the length and breath of the court. The sound waves are unaffected by wind direction or time of day/night. Archaeologists engaged in the reconstruction noted that the sound transmission became stronger and clearer as they proceeded. In 1931 Leopold Stokowski spent 4 days at the site to determine the acoustic principals that could be applied to an open-air concert theater he was designing. Stokowski failed to learn the secret.

To this day it has not been explained.

Source link

ok first off i live in southern england. Thats the south that is referred to.
Southern england is geologically quite close to sea level. thats why we keep getting floods
we don't have the Klu Klux clan here
thats just in the U.S. so you're wrong on that count.
so now a few pictures of ball courts so that people can see that like you said they have very little walls






oh dear oh dear
i don't seem to be able to find any pictures of ball courts without walls.
maybe thats because bouncing the ball off the wall was actually part of the game huh
Oh and a pm is only a pm when its welcomed and not full of lies like you'rs are
120 Man o wars huh
hahahaha
pull the other one its got bells on

As Marduk's pictures show, the courts are indeed as I described them, enclosed on all sides except the ceiling, and with steep walls. Where an echo goes depends on the shape of the wall and the available reflected energy. When surrounded by stone, there is a lot of reflected energy, meaning that a lot of the sonic energy making up the echo gets bounced back rather than absorbed. When you are dealing with geometric shapes, you will inevitably get a "sweet spot" where the harmonic convergence creates the highest musical signature (this is the exact same thing that people who install surround sound system look for in your entertainment room). If the walls of the courts were angled, then the sound would be reflected upwards and lost, however, that is not the case.



Alleged by whom?

There are no records that the arc was anything of the sort. Even the Bible claims nothing more than saying that the voice of God came from above (not directly from) the Ark.

Sound is merely another form of energy, and moving objects with sound is a straightforward matter of applying sufficient energy to a side of the object to overcome the standing friction that object has. Sound is a very inefficient way to transfer energy, and because of that, it makes it a very unlikely source of work. Currently, there is no evidence to support anything of the kind to have occurred.



I did not say it was impossible. I said, and I quote "No, I do not agree in any way that ancient man had any sort of ability to move rock with sound technology. Frankly, I don't believe it could ever be an efficient means of work, simply due to the massive amounts of energy that is required to produce a very low amount of work."

The nonsense about fearing a lost technology aside, I will thank you not to misquote me and then presume to insinuate on my character based on that mis-quotation.



I did provide an explanation. I stated that the walls were not as you described them, I described them accurately, then explained that the reason the effect acted as it did was due to basic acoustics. If you did not understand the explanation, then you should ask for a clarification, not make the claim that no explanation was offered. It makes one feel as if they are wasting their time responding.



Surprisingly enough, in the seventy-five years since Stokowski spent four days at the pyramids, we have learned more about acoustics that we once knew. Since you do not seem to care for my explanation, I will encourage you to search for "ball courts, mayan,echo". Incidentally, from the site you linked to:



Stepfaces, whether they are on a standing pyramid or a ball court temple, are stepfaces, and their reflective properties are fairly similar. The only difference is the type of harmonic convergence, due to the lack of focusing walls.

This is interesting
as far as i know this is the most recently unearthed ball court

It's at the Hershey site in the upper Xibun river valley.
The professor who unearthed it said this
Associate Professor Patricia McAnany and her crew this spring unearthed a small ball court near a pyramid. “Certain sites like Tikal that have larger ball courts also have a small ball court,” McAnany says, “and they are always directly adjacent to, right in the shadow of, one of the major pyramids, just like we found at the Hershey site.”

so they are always built right next to the largest wall in town
personally at this point the only mysterious thing you could say about it is if there was NO echo at all.
http://www.bu.edu/alumni/bostonia/2003/sum...ations/classic/
Now also at this point i think its quite clear that Toltec is talking out of the wrong end of his body
Of course toltec you can always prove us all wrong by saying which ball court you visited that doesn't have walls.
If you can remember
i'm not buying the claim that you were ill with a stomach disorder so can't remember
Stomach disorders do not affect your memory
dementia does though

The whole place is enclosed on all sides except the ceiling. I have been there too. The sides are actually steeper than a modern stadium, which also does a pretty good job at reflecting sound."

All that has been presented, is irrelevant make a copy and then perhaps it is.

Can’t make a copy, well then what you think is relevant, is not.

Easy to understand?

Explain how?

Can't?

Well then what is your point

You have no point, until you can make a copy.

That is what makes the point you are presenting relevant (when you can actually make a copy that is)

I never said the ball courts did not have walls what I said was they were not as aquatus1 had described them. To be clear I know what ball courts look like that does not mean his description fits per say. Or for that matter, that is can be used to describe any phenomenon inherent in the architecture.

If that had been the answer the mystery would have been solved, which it has
not and that is the point of discussing it as a mystery.

Because that is what it is.

Marduk, am actually very pleased to hear your explanation on you catch phrase
however, given your behavior a sad excuse of a response to say the very least.

Clearly the fact that I am even responding to you is indicative that your behavior however warped is entertaining.

My advise to you is for you to reread the comments you have made recently to me and realize, that your lack of respect for others. May in fact have a meaning, which is of a more personal nature than how you interact with people you have contact with.

What does make this really entertaining is that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and its really is funny in that sense.








Look familiar

Some advise Marduk don't give up your day job



Any thoughts?

lol quite a few
but heres the catch
you wouldn't be able to comprehend any of them
they're just beyond your reach
Keep taking the pills though man

Heres a few of your own then seeing as your memory is being affected by your stomach disorder again

"And to be clear, in the above example there is nothing for the sound to bounce off. "
and
"Ballcourts are open air with little if any walls to speak of, at least not as you have described them Aquatus1 and an echo resounds around a room, it does not travel to a particular place, in which no walls intercede with it, without first being heard by others is such open air courts as were and are Ballcourts. "
and
"I never said the ball courts did not have walls what I said was they were not as aquatus1 had described them. To be clear I know what ball courts look like that does not mean his description fits per say. Or for that matter, that is can be used to describe any phenomenon inherent in the architecture. "
something doesn't add up Toltec
Guess what
ITS YOU

I cannot make sense of this. What are you asking for? Do you want an explanation as to why steep rock walls are essential for the production of an echo?



A copy of what? Toltec, are you yanking my chain, or do you seriously want to discuss this? What are you talking about when you say "make a copy"?



Toltec, I am a patient person, but you are rambling, and your thoughts are becoming more and more strained. If you no longer wish to discuss this, then say so.



It isn't enough to have an answer, even if it includes an explanation. We know exactly what happened to the pilots of Flight 19, but that doesn't keep people from insisting they are proof of the Bermuda Triangle phenomena. These things remain mysteries, by and large, because mystery mongers refuse to allow them to rest. If there is a perfectly logical and supported explanation for a phenomena, there is no grounds to call it a mystery.

And, on top of all that, absolutely nothing of this has anything to do in any way whatsoever to your original point, which was, appearantly, that people could move objects with sound.

Aquatus1 build a copy of the Mayan pyramids or at the very least repeat the effect under exact conditions.

It has not been done at all in contemporary society.

It is you who are trying my patients sir perhaps if your responses had any value beyond being sophomoric then I would feel otherwise.

Have noted parrot like responses in you as well and would suggest you review the tittle and the comments underneath, in relation to the topic.

Bottom line the Ark of the Covenant shows the same configuration as Mayan ballcourts (which were clearly designed to eek out justice). The differences may in fact offer insight into the way mesoamerican technology actually operated, as they do clearly suggest more than just a pyramidal structure on either end.


Marduk for someone who thinks that DNA typing results in indentifying racial orientation (the words in general of a white supremacist) your words make absolutely no sense.

Your recent behavior is was actually quite pathetic.

In fact to be clear, everything you have presented which I have reviewed, science I have been posting here, is inferior in every way that actually is important to any conversation.



Any thoughts?

That's what you meant by making a copy? This will be my last post in this thread.

The effect, as I already stated twice, is repeated in the Capitol Building, and in several other domed buildings as well. A person standing in a certain spot can be heard whispering on the far edge of the dome, in the case of the capitol a good 60 feet away.




Done. As I said, I will no longer continue this with you.



Well, I have to agree that one box does resemble another box. Beyond that, I cannot even call this a stretch, as it is so beyond that.

Enough of this. I have wasted my time.

While I appreciate your responses your inability to admit that in fact this is a mystery is disturbing.

As its clear domed structures are not the issue these structures are open, also the effect in domed structures is natural not the result of someone actually engineering the effect.

This is simply not the case with Mayan sound technology

As far as the Ark well that is really interesting its much more than a box it has something on top of it

Translating its dimensions to the scale of Mayan ballcourts actually looks like its worth a try.

You know what it is

You know what else it works

My advise is to give it a try and then respond jugementally to others as in your original comments to me in this thread.

Stop pretending you know so much and actually find out if what people have been telling you is accurate by experiencing it first hand.



Any thoughts?

PS:Marduk thank you for affording us with the most appropriate behavior you have been able to present in a week.

Today is Monday remember Marduk

Marduk not playing nice again?

"As far as the Ark well that is really interesting its much more than a box it has something on top of it "
I swear i want that on my Tombstone.
that is so funny


you know that ark of the covenant
it has something on top of it

ROTFL

Marduk thinks the only relevant reference to the name Bell is a telephone company

Yes Marduk I was responding to another person who said it was just a box.

Marduk your not reading these threads before you respond are you?

Its seems as though Marduk, that the idea you can express a bias has
gotten to your head.

Simply stated the accounts in relation to the Ark of the Covenant
was that, it was a communication devise as well as a weapon.

The means to project sound to long distances would have been a major advantage
in war and for the same reasons it succeeded as a means of social control.

As a result creating the means to "take it with you" would have been something
mesoamericans would have been highly motivated to do. A devise of some kind which allowed the user to apply sound technology, which he would carry with
him (or them) while away from home.

Again in order to fine tune a mesoamerican structure a model was built first.

This would be nessesary due to the level of difficulty in designing such a structure compared to the effort involved in actually erecting it. They were much better off first assessing what needed to be done in a smaller version. So they could then just refer to scale, to encorporate sound technology into the full scale artifact.

To say that today we cannot understand Mayan sound technology is actually quite incredible this due to such inventions as the internal combustion engine, nuclear power, hydro-electric and so on.

One of the issues that come into play here in relation to Mayan sound technology,
because it is not yet understood. Is that the principles which make it possible may be based upon some alternative to what we understand.

My point being, that fundamentally if the process of Mayan sound technology could be understood from the context of what we understand today. Then we would have no problem, it would have already been explained as we could have then easily understand it.

That is not the case and so as a result, scientist will soon be forced to start to look at alternative methodologies (like quantum mechanics) as a way to solve the mystery.

If we find that alternatives to what we are accustomed to does in fact provide and answer then it is very probable Mayan sound technology could have been used by ancient man to move objects.


Any thoughts?

blah blah blah

yeah i heard Ed Leedskew or whatever his last name was, used leviatation to carry the coral rocks to build his castle... cause they weighed like 10-15tons each!.

I live about 15 miles from Coral Castle its really incredible and yes LE they are that heavy.........


Coral Castle


Spent about 9 years working in Homestead Florida the talk was he had some kind of handheld device which he could easily hide light could be seen coming from it.

There are legends about someone having developed sonoluminecents, for example an equivalent to Albert Einstein or Galileo (We had ours as well).

sonoluminecent


As a source of power.

As wild as that sounds one of the legends do clearly state that they developed the technology substantially.

Of course it does not have to be that complicated and in fact, moving stones with sound may not require such a power source.

However one want to look at this structure (coral castle) one man having built
it, using conventional techniques is something no engineer would say is
possible.

Any thoughts?

Wally Wallington is a conventional engineer who says its possible
http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/
ha

can you produce any reputable links from conventional engineers saying its impossible or is this another legend you heard growing up that has no apparent providence ?
hmmmm

im sure he will give us 'his' thoughts

"The author does not recommend that this be attempted as the dangers of working with heavy weights are obvious."

This is not in keeping with scientific method and in truth the whole site could be a hoax.

Where has this presentation been repeated and by who?

Where does the author for the site present his credentials?

Where did he go to school?

Where did he practice?

Are we supposed to accept this person at his word?

Or is because you do that we are supposed to?

Is this an example of your evidence which proves how the pyramids,stonehenge
ect... was built?

If so its very poor

What makes this site reputable?

Order yours today for $15.00!

If in any way this could be accepted as valid the vedio would be worth at least
$29.99 and by now someone who actually has credentials would have
pubished the results in a scientific paper.

Where is it?

Can you provide any imformation site that suports this man's claim?


Truth is Marduk the matter in question is unexplained, but lets elaborate on the topic, with links at bottom.



******************

Often equated with the engineering feats of Stonehenge and the Great Pyramid of Egypt, Coral Castle was built by reclusive eccentric Edward Leedskalnin, who single-handledly erected gigantic quarried stones resulting in his enigmatic castle.

Coral Castle has attracted the international attention of professional construction engineers, astounded and mystified by the apparently impossible achievement of this diminutive wonder-worker. In the mid-1970s, for example, a large bulldozer was hired to manipulate a coral block equivalent to the Castle's 30-ton monolith; the bulldozer could not even lift it.

Leedskalnin would be an unlikely candidate to quarry and move the tons of coral that even a robust man would have found impossible to budge. And his fourth-grade education hardly qualified him as a construction engineer

His tools were handmade saws, chisels, chains, hoists, and hammers of the most primitive kind, and his only mode of transportation was an ancient, dilapidated bicycle without tires.

It has been said that the only way possible for Leedskalnin to move and position 30 ton stones would be for him to have found a way to lighten the stones tremendously and somehow elevate them into their position.


A local contractor was hired to cut a stone from Ed’s quarry. Using a diamond tipped power saw and a 600 horsepower crane the contractor had difficulty removing a smaller sized stone. Also, the contractor could not extract the stone by cutting horizontally across the bottom of the stone, but had to break it away to extract it. Edward Leedskalnin cut his huge stones to create the four vertical sides, and then he also cut horizontally across the bottoms to extract the stones.

As Ed Leedskalnin gave his tours, he would explain each structure in detail. Some of the more incredible of his works was an obelisk monolith weighing nearly 30 tons, twice the weight of any stone in the Great pyramid. At forty feet tall it was taller than the great monolith at Stonehedge. This he quarried and also erected by himself. He carved the huge stones into intricate designs

Originally located in the tiny town of Florida City in the l920's, the site was later moved to it's current location just south of Miami, Florida. Ed is said to have built the Castle for his "sweet 16" - supposedly, a woman from his native Latvia who had promised to marry him and then changed her mind at the last minute. The fact it, it was a sheilded allusion to his discovery -

A feast of coral imagery, the site lies behind massive 8' high coral rock walls on a ten-acre tract, protecting it from the sprawling suburban city of Homestead. The coral walls fit together with amazing accuracy even though they were constructed without cement. These technical accomplishments have astounded engineers and scientists.

A small statured man barely weighing one hundred pounds, Ed quarried one piece of coral from the earth weighing over twenty-eight tons and then erected it himself! His accomplishments include a rocking chair weighing thousands of pounds that can be rocked with a finger, and an underground structure reached by climbing down a one-piece spiral stone staircase to a subterranean refrigerator. A five thousand pound heart-shaped coral rock table with a red blooming ixora growing from its center, is believed to be the world's largest valentine according to Ripley's.

Ed liked to read and would sit in a group of stone chairs which caught the morning, afternoon, and evening light as the sun traveled over the horizon. There's a table fashioned from solid rock in the image of the State of Florida complete with a water basin at the position of Lake Okeechobee. Ed reckoned the governor could sit here and figure out how to raise taxes.

An area known as the "moon pond" comprised of three 18-ton pieces of coral represents the first quarter, last quarter, and the full moon. Nearby stand Mars, which Ed believed sustained life, and a ringed Saturn each the size of an automobile. An obelisk taller then the great monolith at Stonehenge stretches forty feet toward the sky weighing fifty-seven thousand pounds! A series of concentric coral circles is said to represent the solar system.


The original site remained in Florida City until the mid l930's at which time, the story goes, someone planned to build a sub-division nearby. A fanatic for privacy, Ed packed up his entire quarry and moved it to the present location in Homestead. No one ever saw him load or unload the massive tonnage from a friend's truck he'd enlisted to transport the gigantic stones. The relocation progressed easily, and the entire complex was re-erected at its new location.

In total Ed quarried over eleven hundred tons of coral rock for his Castle using tools fashioned from wrecking-yard junk, never revealing just how he managed to rise and position the massive coral blocks that make up his compound. An air of mystery surrounded the two story monolith known as the tower, which housed his workshop and living quarters. He was secretive and almost always worked at night; no one ever saw him.

After wandering around the U.S. and Canada for several years, Leedskalnin settled in Florida City for health reasons; he had been diagnosed with tuberculosis. He began building his coral home in 1920. Then in 1936, when a planned new subdivision of homes threatened his privacy, Leedskalnin moved his entire home 10 miles to Homestead, where he completed it, and where it still stands as a tourist attraction.


In 1951 Ed took his secrets to the grave. The mystery of Coral Castle was never revealed. A plaque was found in Ed's bedroom that read, "The Secret to the Universe is 7129 / 6105195."

* * * * *
The only tool that Leedskalnin spoke of using was a "perpetual motion holder

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/emery.htm

http://www.electrogravity.com/EGTESTS.htm

http://www.crystalinks.com/coralcastle.html

http://www.crystalinks.com/levitationtibet.html

http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/ideas/stolev.htm

http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/exper/maglev.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/3075/maglev.html


http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...ion/t32853.html



Any thoughts?

PS:

I seen this on the history channel, i don't know how he did it, but it must have been hard work, some say he new the secrets of the egyptian builder's but he never told anyone,it's been awhile since i seen the doc- but didn't he refuse to work in front of people?and how did he get that door to swing that way?

if it is true...it is so unexplainable

I'd like to point out here Toltec that if you haven't heard of Wally Wallington before then you surely are very uninformed
You're questioning his credentials and your own website list is laughable.
Wally isn't showing anything new.
he's showing which basic engineering principles made it possible to build large structures from stone blocks with very little labour force.
If the best you can offer is cranks homepages and Crystal links you're a lost cause
you asked someone to show how a qualified engineer would attempt pyramid construction
you got what you asked for,
then you try to discredit wally cos you didn't like it
Still its already been proven that you happily lie to prove your point.
sure the ancients used sound levitation to do it.
you will of course now be able to give everyone a demonstration of this ability which so far is unrecognised in science
p.s. Theres an up and coming poll of crank posters coming up
i'm sure you'll be on it

looks like this will run and run

Just to add to a thread that is a great read ha lovin it ! Science can levitate rocks using electromagnetic fields i have no link so look it up. As far as building this coral castle well the science is there to prove rocks can be levitated, but as far as i can find about 30 lbs is all they can do NOW.

Nikola Tesla proved you could lift objects using electricity but not to this scale. It is a mystery !!!

u have to give me links to the info u have

it was actualy on this site that I saw the info if i feel like looking I will

if the link site was crystallinks i wont bother.....

No it was not a link as that... I would not make that statement if it came from such a source.. I am a skeptic big time not a read a little believe alot kind of guy

i like you already

It's good to be in the good books with Marduk a link might help i guess just a quick look
http://www.teach-nology.com/teachers/subje...hysics/magnets/

From what i know of this kind of research its linked to the anti gravity experiments done back in the sixties.
the premise being that if you could make something weightless then you are counteracting gravity
the whole theory is flawed.
the amount of energy required to move even a small weight is immense.
and besides
only us plebs are mystified at the coral castle
engineers have no problems understanding how it was built.
its just blind ignorance that says otherwise
right

interesting links

Oh by the way you realise thati have left Majestic twelve now
so that means you getto hoover out the captured flying disks all on your own from now on.

I agree the amount of energy required to do this is outstanding and the payoff is little so really why bother... unless hmmm we can create large amounts of energy at little expense.

levitating discs, mj12 area 51 do i know you

So you're saying that
either he did it with conventional technology as described by wally wallington (conventional engineer)
Or
He invented a whole new up til now undiscovered power source and an applicable technology to lift weights to build his home.
Surely patenting the technology would have allowed him to purchase an entire island or small country somewhere.
Was he known to be extremely stupid then this guy Ed ?

actualy I don't think he did it at all. I think he was sneaky It is said he did this useing sound to levitate the rocks now that is something i have no idea about but very interesting, sound is a very powerful thing,but no I just think he was sneaky

What he was, was obsessive-compulsive.

The man was fixated on his girl, and when she rejected him, he fixated on his castle, to the point that he went days without eating, and literally worked himself to death.

The wear and tear that creates that sort of damage is more along the lines aof a person moving rocks through conventional means, not by floating them through the air.

yes agreed

Woohoo
so it wan't an undiscovered power and technology then
I said it before and I'll say it again.
i love it when someone uses common sense rather than imagination
it makes logic problem solving so much easier

Marduk unless you can provide anything in relation to WW working with anyone that has the kind of background needed to establish this information, as in any way valid, its a joke and not a very well planed one at that.

Sound technology can be used to levitate objects as far as engineers well I am providing documentation from people who's background is physics and clearly
your claim that WW is correct is wrong.

In relation to blind ignorance feel free to contact the engineering staff in Miami Dade county assigned to work on the site in the past (as mentioned in the post). The events in question actually did occur and perhaps if you went beyond the idea that the internet has all the answers you would have actually found something which did establish it as unexplained.

Until in reality you can provide any documentation that WW has actually
attempted to verify these claims scientifically (using scientific method) and properly documented (scientific periodical) all you have is a way to spend $15.00.


And based on the authors claims and taking everything into consideration it a waist of money.

As fas sound technology while it has in reality been known for quite sometime and all over the world, today it is still not fully understood (although the potential as cited by the ancients is becoming apparent today). Tibetan have been using this technuiqes for eons, who are you to claim that it is undiscovered.

My purpose for citing the crystal links sites was to offer a reference for the background information provided in the text, as is appropriate since they were
not my words.

Any thoughts?

Toltec, exactly what part of 'sound technology' do you believe is not yet understood?

He'll probably base his answer on the facts he has to hand.
provided by his ancestorss no doubt

Yes what are you talking about? you lost me! look Leedskalnin was a a little on the weird side after lossing the love of his life all he had was his castle,he became with drawn, and did alot of research on egypt, that is one reason people thought he new some great secreat, and please do tell me you believe in the power of crystals, i hope i am miss reading what you are saying

Hi Aquatus1 to begin Mayan sound technology is still a mystery as far as what is commonly understood it was once well documented and explained but not today.

Next to make Marduk happy I would make reference to sonoluminecence in relation to generating a fusion reaction.

When the manner to do so is finally discovered, I would not exactly be surprised if the radio-active yield generated, is actually much less than conventional methods today, for doing the same thing.

Propulsion with sound (specifically with sound, not just as a power source) is something that perhaps has been developed. This to a degree which could be construed as advanced today, though at present that may be classified.

Consider, treating a virus which has invaded an organisms body. No differently than we today address the issue of kidney stones (in medical institutions) non-evasively (we are just starting to understand how to make that a reality
one day).

Beyond that other thngs do come to mind....

In general aquatus1 to believe we have reached a point in time, in which, we actually know all there is to be known (in general). To me is a faulty assessment of the "state of the art." Rather, what we do not know about reality is in fact so vast, there are actually links in the internet which address them.


This in relation of course to what we know.

Hello Isis I was made aware of crystals and there potential in my teens. Though
as a child my education in such matters circled more around an understanding of common stones with exception of the fact that they had been hit by lightning.

Often referred to in relation to making arrowheads for spears and arrow, they
developed a religious significance of there own.

Today its still commonly practiced.

Having had the opportunity to be exposed substantially to the field of Quantum Mechanics. I became aware of the paradox of Einstein, Poldousky, Rosen Effect
also known as EPR Paradox (At least that is what you all call it today) .

Evidence collected using atom smashers had resulted in a problem.

It was clearly being observed that when two particles were created at the same time anything, which affected one particle in relation to speed, direction, momentum ect... affected the other instantaneously despite distance.

In other words, despite the fact that no observable connection existed between the two particles. Both particles reacted as if something outside what is observable by these three scientist, was affecting both partices.

This then causing the particle which had not been interfered with, to act as if it had been affected and reacting in the same way, the particle which had actually been interfered with reacted.

This effect/phenomenon was concluded as an event, which would occur despite distance. They could be billions of light years away from each other the response would be the same. As it is the same for every particle in existence that was created at the same time despite distance.

And answer, beyond of course the simple conclusion. That somehow the two particles in the experiment are interacting in some way, which we cannot see
does exist in the form of Bells Theorem (the word Theorem is defined as a fact
of life).

Bells Theorem is not fringe science it is a well established aspect of the modern world and acknowledge by all the right people. Much of the technology we use today as a matter access of the public, military and industry encoporates the principles of this theorem (its what makes them work).

At some level of orientation to reality, there is an inherent connection between all things that have substance as we understand. It exist and as a result everything that happens one the scale of atoms and particles, has an instantaneous effect upon everything else that has substance throughout the Universe.


In actuality within the context of a moment.


I am certain Isis you would understand the implications to those inclined to "Gia" type belief systems.

And the truth be known not everyone is exactly ready to celebrate because of this nonetheless its a fact.

An impression of mine is this; our stories, legends, ancient book about reality
present to us a perspective. One who's basic theme suggests a capacity of
God or gods to impart a response to human behavior.

In relation to the observable differences, between what we thought was reality and what we know it to be now.

A vast chasm in relation to the word "scope" exist.

For me interesting.

Any thoughts?

I'm not talking about Mayan technology. Since we haven't got any proof that they knew anything that we did not, there are no grounds to claim they had some sort of unknown technology. What I am asking is this: What sort of sound phenomena are you claiming cannot be understood with current science?



Until such time as sound generates more power than it requires to be produced, I'm not going to bother thinking about it as a power source. Personally, I think it is a dead end, particularly with sonoluminescence; unless they find a different tactic, the math is simply not there to produce more power than it takes. Now, propulsion with sound, or rather, moving objects with sound (as propulsion is a bit too grandiose a word for what it does), is a well-documented phenomena, and is the simple result of adding enough energy to one side of an object to overcome the energy holding it in place. The only sort of work, in the sense of moving an object through space, that has been successfully and repeatably achieved is the high school experiment of floating a piece of thin foil above a focused speaker. Anything heavier and the sound energy cannot overcome the power of gravity. As to overcoming friction, that has yet to be done. One can set up an oscillation pattern in certain chemically geometric items, such as glass or single element stone, however this will result in vibration, and the object will usually shatter long before it moves anywhere. Again, this is a fairly straightforward matter of mathematics, using the proper formulas for harmonic convergence and sound amplification, available to pretty much anyone who has taken an introductory college level physics course.



No one is claiming that we know all there is to be known. That does not mean, however, that we haven't found the answers to the more simplistic questions. To continue to claim that a mystery exists where one does not seems to me to be a waste of good imagination. There are many mysteries left in the world which science truly has yet to solve. To remain static in something so easily explained is similar to playing a video game on the easy level over and over again simply for the pleasure of an easy victory. Once one has a solution to the easy problem, one should move on to the harder one, not keep insisting that the easy problem must have some sort of unexplained mystery to it.

If you saying that Mayan sound technology is not a mystery because someone
understands today how it works this is one thing.

If you are suggesting its public knowledge that is another story and so then in that sense its still a mystery.

Aquatus:"The only sort of work, in the sense of moving an object through space, that has been successfully and repeatable achieved is the high school experiment of floating a piece of thin foil above a focused speaker. Anything heavier and the sound energy cannot overcome the power of gravity. As to overcoming friction, that has yet to be done."

Aquatus in all your considerations have you included the potential of creating a speaker, which can produce decibels in the millions or even in the billions (very low frequency of course).

I know its not done in schools because of budgetary concerns but seriously aquatus..........

Propulsion, what is that again?

Perhaps Aquatus you are getting ahead of yourself.

To be clear you are claiming something that is incorrect (if in fact this is your contention), this that Mayan sound technology has been solved and that this solution is public information.

That is incorrect.

The proper thing for you to do is simple

But this time it cant involve taking apart a ballcourt to see what makes it tick

Aquatus:"Since we haven't got any proof that they knew anything that we did not"

We have proof Mayan Sound Technology is proof.

Any thoughts?

I am saying that the reason for the sound effects of the ballcourt is easily recognized by anyone who has taken a first year college level physics course, where one learns about harmonic convergence.



Not only am I aware of them, I have even used them. On board the George Washington, whenever the ship was anchored off-shore, we had a sound cannon in the back which was basically a 4 million megawatt speaker capable of sending a focused sound beam a good hundred yards to track and disable any Greenpeacers or anyone who was getting to close for our comfort, but who we didn't want to shoot.



Just to be perfectly clear, I am well beyond my school years.



This was in reference to your talking about sound propulsion as opposed to energy production. I talked about movement, as it is on a much minor, an do-able scale, as opposed to propulsion, which implies an effective method of movement (which I am saying has not yet been developed, not by us and certainly not by ancient Mayans).



You are going back into that dreamy phase you did before. Can you re-state the above paragraph a little more clearly? You seem to be thinking of something, but since we can't read your mind, we can't tell where you are going.

I am claiming that the echo from the ball court is the result of harmonic convergence. Harmonic convergence is a common effect that is publicly known by anyone who has set up a sound system at home and by anyone who has taken an entry level college physics class. Proving this correct would basically involve drawing a rectangle on a piece of paper the same dimensions as the ballcourt (to scale), and applying the relevant formulas. There is always a question of this type on the final exams.



The only sound technology the Mayans possessed was the ability to recognize that large solid walls create great echoes. They took this knowledge and intentionally designed ball courts to take advantage of this, much as we do with stadiums and concert halls today (thanks to advances in technology, we don't have to rely on monolithic stone blocks).

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that the Mayans, or any ancient civilization, had the means, or even made the claim, to be able to move solid objects with sound. The only reports of this kind have been some claims from a Tibetan sect of Buddhists that turned out to be nothing more than an exagerated account from an explorer with a penchant for imagination. Needless to say, there is no known connection between Tibetans and Mayans, and no evidence that either had the ability that was claimed by others that they possessed.

The mayans, Incas, Aztec/Toltec etc all claim that civilisation was handed down to them via the olmecs. So if there is any super douper sound technology it must be Olmec in origin.
Recently it's been suggested that the Olmec learned from the sumerians.
So i went and read through all the sumerian texts again looking for any sonic technology and even though i hate to admit it there is a very good example of advanced sound technology in Gilgamesh.