[FONT=Optima][FONT=Arial]The christian bible is filled with accounts of angels flying about and transmitting messages. Where are these mythological creatures in todays society? The only place I've found anything that resembles one is in statues or paintings. Why were they written about in the past but not now? I would like to ask anyone who believes in them to explain. Thanx[/COLOR]

They're in heaven.

Well said Kevin

There are many accounts of angels still making appearances today. They don't reside on Earth though, obviously.

knowledge destroyed the angels....

or

did loss of knowledge destroy the angels....


in the end it comes down to whatever the very active human mind makes of vague stimuli.

angels are no more or less real than the homunculus.

one thing is for certian though, and that is that the "reptilian brain" is still functioning at full strength.

What 'reptillian brain'?

You know there are angels with reptillian appearances. Eyes of fire....eyes of lightning.

the "reptilian brain" is a term sometimes used to refer the oldest and most primative part of the brain. it is called the reptilian brain because it is the same in reptiles.

yeah i know you are going to go off on macro evo can not be true because your little black book tells you so. evidence and logic can never stop the devout!

Humans, even by macro standards didn't evolve from reptiles.

Mammal-reptiles (half and half) existed before dinosaurs. In fact an ABC`show 'Walking with Dinosaurs' depicted them with fur insinutating they were still a mammal/reptile. I can't say I agree with that, but there's just another perspective for you.

both have a common ancestor....

Angels are in Heaven... And I also believe they are all around us at all times. we are surrounded by legions of angels. But just because we can't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.

is that like the aether?

@ hyper NO!

Heb. 12:22, “But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels.”


So legions of angels no Greek god silly.

greek god?

that is not what i was refering to.

i was refering to the "they are there even though we can not detect them" in comparison to the aether proposed by Maxwell : a substance we could not detect that was necessary for his fields theory. Most important to this comparison is we later proved the aether does not exist.

just like angels do not exist, nor do they go around humping lizards resulting in dinosaurs. i really have to get this book of enoch for my friend's 5 year old for she would get a good laugh not only at it, but at the idea that there are adults out there that believe this bunk.

Hyper I thought you were refering to some weird god of the sky whatever. But that is a good comparision. Maybe the fact that you have never seen a angel you don't know. My daughter sees things at night. And I come in and tell her who she is talking to and she points and says angels. Who knows they say children can she the dead and supernatural moreso than adults.

Book of Enoch I have not read. But I am sure I probably won't because I just go on what is in my Bible. Not the excluded books so to speak.

NOt familiar off hand with angels being described as reptillian. Generally its Satan and his demons that are described as reptillian in appearance.

No. The Seraphim that guarded Eden were 'great serpents' with eyes of fire holding swords of lightning.

Satan has the appearance of a dragon, many of the other descriptions of angels are far from human in form. They can ALL however appear human.

The Irin Quaddism and Archangels had a humanlike form however, though the Irin Quaddism are of huge proportions, etc.

Oh and hyper, the angels weren't 'humping lizards resulting in dinosaurs'. They married women, created a hyrbid in of itself called the Nephillim, and THEY (the Nephillim) went around humping lizards, and sheep, cattle, etc.

If your going to insult, get the story right first.

ashley:

either way the tale is as stupid as one can get!

Is it?

Actually, there have been records of cattle (and other animals AND humans) being mutilated. Now, it could have been caused by humans, or other things.

The bible tells us that the Nephilim were in existence after the flood. So, the question arises "how did they survive the flood? And/or "did the sons of God take others as their wives, after the flood?"

Biblically they did. The sons of God either made more "Nephilim" or the Nephilim somehow escaped the earth prior to the flood. Or, (which I believe) both things occured.

Shemyaza, before his punishment was said to have taken his wife (his children Ohaya and Haya for some reason had no mention) to another planet to save her from th flood. They WERE from space to begin with. The origin of present day aliens? Possibly.

Or possibly went to another country. Or a mountain top somewhere.

HUh? this is um a little much for me. I got a headache. Who in the world is Shemyaza anyways?

^ Don't try to keep up. Just nod politely and back away slowly. j/k

HAHAHAHA. For real.

*nods*

well of course please use more nonsense to help justify stpidity.

this book of enoch was not even credible enough to make the cut for the bible (which has pretty low standards).

linking such a tale to your own mythos does nothing but bring you down (even lower).

No, it made the cut long ago. However it was taken out by some catholic . This is a biblical text, just like Genesis or Matthew.

The reason why this was taken out is because it would make the bible sound to mythological (angels banging humans, giants etc...meaning people wouldn't believe it) And I know , I know, you are gonna say "well its pretty much a myth already!"

However, the book of Enoch in no way contradicts the bible. It just goes off in a tangent talking more along the lines of fallen angels and nephilim and giants. The Nephilim and fallen angels were talked about breifly in the bible. Enoch just speaks more of these things.

ther are lots of things we don't understand
So humans find ways to cope with that by having their own theories and ideas

Shemyazah was an angel (one of the 3 given full blame and 'scapegoated' for the other 200, along with Azazel and Uzza) to have fallen in the Enoch account. They were originally from the twin (twin being plural, there are klike seven rows of them) judgement angels, the Irin Qaddism (some may have been from other areas, was the Irin Qaddism were referred to at the HOLY Watchers and the fallen called the 'Watchers) ad after the fall into a group called the 'Grigori' or 'Egrigori'.

So Shemyazah was a fallen angel. Well how come did he know about the flood and stuff? I mean if he fell because he wanted more. Then why would he be spared. Him and his family. Or maybe I am still confused.

Ok, they were the angels that married women. Their offspring, the Nephillim (and the Nephillim created further hybrids with animals...), were the reason FOR the flood. So, they weren't spared, the Grigori resided in the 5th Heaven turned angel hell, and their ultimate end was on Pluto.

Shemyaza, along with Azazel (or A'siel), and Uzza, were the ones (Uzza is ommitted in some texts) who first decided to take the oath to fall to marry women, so they became the 'scapegoats' (especially Azazel. If you read Exodus, it talks about sending a goat out into the wildnerss to Azazel to 'scapegoat' even man's sins - the 'Azazel goat') for the rest of the angels and were given the full blame/sin of the other angel's actions. They were sent out into the wilderness bound hand and foot, and blinded, for a period of 70 generations (7000 years) to be resleased at the end, the final judgement. After their release they are said to go to their hell (Pluto) making the entirety of the fall 9 Days (it's written their fall was for 9 days only) which is 9000 Earth years, 7000 of them spend ON Earth. After all that, the prophecy goes that they will (again at the end, time of judgement) 'heal the Earth they plagued and give life back to her (Earth)', which would no doubt be done through reincarnation (other angels have been in a human incarnation, John the Baptist was one of them. He WAS Elijah, who formerly, like Enoch, became an angel, Sandalphon, twin angel of Metatron/Enoch. Thus he was literally, as prophecised the 'forerunnerangel to Jesus, the Messiah).

Now, Shemyazah, Azazel etc though weeping and crying at their punishment (they DID try to repent, and sent Enoch to ask God, as they could no longer raised their eyes up to Heaven let alone go there themselves), accepted their punishments. But, Shemyazah was said to have sent his wife to another planet to save HER from the flood. They DID come from space to begin with. There's no mention of his children though, other thn they also went to Enoch about a dream warning them of th flood, and Enoch told them to repent.

The point is, from what I've read on it, they weren't 'evil or malicious' and it seems God punished them 1. because they broke the rules by marrying in the first place, and 2. because of the chaos that resulted from their offspring (though it was said that God MADE them be the monsters they were to be a punishment of sorts in itself) and the secrets of Heaven they let out which reslted in humanities eventual destruction.

Fallen angels fall for different reasons, and even so have a time limit on their fall. God also had to explain to them (through Enoch) WHY they should NOT have married women. They were tempted by an originally fallen angel who fell with satan (who at the time could tempt/test/accuse his own kind) who, through the archangel Michael, obtained the oath for them to fall. AFTER all this, satan was demoted to prince of accusing angel ONLY to humans, and henceforth ONLY God tested His own angels. This was the war in Heaven in Revelation.

If they were evil and malicious (maybe some of them were, who knows) why would the same Archangel Michael have said 'who could NOT feel sorry (sympathy) for these angels'? It in Jude it talks about people slandering angels which they don't understand. That same book also recounts the angels of Enoch.

I actually think the angels are still around us, it's just that our spirtitual senses are blunted by MTV, videogames and the modern vanities and distraction that we dont tune in to the higher levels of the mind anymore.

Yes, good point.

There is a story in the bible (can't remember the scripture) where two men were about to go to war. One man was very confident, for he knew he had the angels of God on his side. His companion, was terrifed for he could not see the angels.

The first man asked God "God, show him the angels, so he will not be afraid!" Suddenly, the angels appeared all around the man who could not see them, and he was afraid no more.

Interesting story about angels.....

A few months ago I heard a speaker talking about people who chose to drink and drive (and got into car wrecks).

The man told a story of two sisters of the age of 2 and 3. They were riding in the back seat, while their grandmother was driving. The three of them were at a stop light, and someone hit them from behind going 100 miles per hour.

The grandmother and one child died. One child surived. Days later she was told "Your grandma and sister did not make it, they passed away but they are in a better place," and the child replied "Yes, I know, I saw the angels come down and take them away".

A transitional species I'm still waiting for as proof of the Darwinian doctrine.

Exactly Babyagafamilliar