Blackleaf
Jun 13 2005, 05:26 PM
From The Independent -
Found: Europe's oldest civilisation
By David Keys, Archaeology Correspondent
11 June 2005
Archaeologists have discovered Europe's oldest civilisation, a network of dozens of temples, 2,000 years older than Stonehenge and the Pyramids.
More than 150 gigantic monuments have been located beneath the fields and cities of modern-day Germany, Austria and Slovakia. They were built 7,000 years ago, between 4800BC and 4600BC. Their discovery, revealed today by The Independent, will revolutionise the study of prehistoric Europe, where an appetite for monumental architecture was thought to have developed later than in Mesopotamia and Egypt.
In all, more than 150 temples have been identified. Constructed of earth and wood, they had ramparts and palisades that stretched for up to half a mile. They were built by a religious people who lived in communal longhouses up to 50 metres long, grouped around substantial villages. Evidence suggests their economy was based on cattle, sheep, goat and pig farming.
Their civilisation seems to have died out after about 200 years and the recent archaeological discoveries are so new that the temple building culture does not even have a name yet.
Excavations have been taking place over the past few years - and have triggered a re-evaluation of similar, though hitherto mostly undated, complexes identified from aerial photographs throughout central Europe.
Archaeologists are now beginning to suspect that hundreds of these very early monumental religious centres, each up to 150 metres across, were constructed across a 400-mile swath of land in what is now Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and eastern Germany.
The most complex excavated so far - located inside the city of Dresden - consisted of an apparently sacred internal space surrounded by two palisades, three earthen banks and four ditches.
The monuments seem to be a phenomenon associated exclusively with a period of consolidation and growth that followed the initial establishment of farming cultures in the centre of the continent.
It is possible that the newly revealed early Neolithic monument phenomenon was the consequence of an increase in the size of - and competition between - emerging Neolithic tribal or pan-tribal groups, arguably Europe's earliest mini-states.
After a relatively brief period - perhaps just one or two hundred years - either the need or the socio-political ability to build them disappeared, and monuments of this scale were not built again until the Middle Bronze Age, 3,000 years later. Why this monumental culture collapsed is a mystery.
The archaeological investigation into these vast Stone Age temples over the past three years has also revealed several other mysteries. First, each complex was only used for a few generations - perhaps 100 years maximum. Second, the central sacred area was nearly always the same size, about a third of a hectare. Third, each circular enclosure ditch - irrespective of diameter - involved the removal of the same volume of earth. In other words, the builders reduced the depth and/or width of each ditch in inverse proportion to its diameter, so as to always keep volume (and thus time spent) constant .
Archaeologists are speculating that this may have been in order to allow each earthwork to be dug by a set number of special status workers in a set number of days - perhaps to satisfy the ritual requirements of some sort of religious calendar.
The multiple bank, ditch and palisade systems "protecting" the inner space seem not to have been built for defensive purposes - and were instead probably designed to prevent ordinary tribespeople from seeing the sacred and presumably secret rituals which were performed in the "inner sanctum" .
The investigation so far suggests that each religious complex was ritually decommissioned at the end of its life, with the ditches, each of which had been dug successively, being deliberately filled in.
"Our excavations have revealed the degree of monumental vision and sophistication used by these early farming communities to create Europe's first truly large scale earthwork complexes," said the senior archaeologist, Harald Staeuble of the Saxony state government's heritage department, who has been directing the archaeological investigations. Scientific investigations into the recently excavated material are taking place in Dresden.
The people who built the huge circular temples were the descendants of migrants who arrived many centuries earlier from the Danube plain in what is now northern Serbia and Hungary. The temple-builders were pastoralists, controlling large herds of cattle, sheep and goats as well as pigs. They made tools of stone, bone and wood, and small ceramic statues of humans and animals. They manufactured substantial amounts of geometrically decorated pottery, and they lived in large longhouses in substantial villages.
One village complex and temple at Aythra, near Leipzig, covers an area of 25 hectares. Two hundred longhouses have been found there. The population would have been up to 300 people living in a highly organised settlement of 15 to 20 very large communal buildings.
www.independent.co.uk
V for Vanity
Jun 13 2005, 10:02 PM
But somehow....I felt that i've heard this before...
marduk
Jun 13 2005, 10:51 PM
QUOTE(MissPirate @ Jun 13 2005, 11:02 PM)
But somehow....I felt that i've heard this before...
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Maybe you used to live there in a past life
LucidElement
Jun 14 2005, 07:27 AM
do they have a name for this old civilization? what they think its name is.. or pictures of the artifacts?
suznet
Jun 15 2005, 08:02 AM
That is indeed fascinating. I wander if it has any links to Vinci discovery
in Serbia. You can Google it if you like more info, it's very interesting.
The artifacts that were found seem to still spring a dabate
as they seem as writings...yet thse were predating Sumerian tablets.
marduk
Jun 15 2005, 09:23 AM
QUOTE(suznet @ Jun 15 2005, 09:02 AM)
That is indeed fascinating. I wander if it has any links to Vinci discovery
in Serbia. You can Google it if you like more info, it's very interesting.
The artifacts that were found seem to still spring a dabate
as they seem as writings...yet thse were predating Sumerian tablets.
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even the sumerians had a form of writing that predates sumerian cuneiform by 1000 years at least.
But we still don't know who the sumerians were or where they came from so......
we don't even know if they were a single race or many
the ruling class were caucasoid though.
The Roswell Man
Jun 15 2005, 01:55 PM
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 15 2005, 10:23 AM)
QUOTE(suznet @ Jun 15 2005, 09:02 AM)
That is indeed fascinating. I wander if it has any links to Vinci discovery
in Serbia. You can Google it if you like more info, it's very interesting.
The artifacts that were found seem to still spring a dabate
as they seem as writings...yet thse were predating Sumerian tablets.
[right][snapback]677654[/snapback][/right]
even the sumerians had a form of writing that predates sumerian cuneiform by 1000 years at least.
But we still don't know who the sumerians were or where they came from so......
we don't even know if they were a single race or many
the ruling class were caucasoid though.
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sumerian were africans!!
marduk
Jun 15 2005, 04:34 PM
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ Jun 15 2005, 02:55 PM)
QUOTE(marduk @ Jun 15 2005, 10:23 AM)
QUOTE(suznet @ Jun 15 2005, 09:02 AM)
That is indeed fascinating. I wander if it has any links to Vinci discovery
in Serbia. You can Google it if you like more info, it's very interesting.
The artifacts that were found seem to still spring a dabate
as they seem as writings...yet thse were predating Sumerian tablets.
[right][snapback]677654[/snapback][/right]
even the sumerians had a form of writing that predates sumerian cuneiform by 1000 years at least.
But we still don't know who the sumerians were or where they came from so......
we don't even know if they were a single race or many
the ruling class were caucasoid though.
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sumerian were africans!!

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Caucasoid Roswell
you're thinking of something else
http://www.answers.com/caucasoid&r=67
suznet
Jun 15 2005, 07:49 PM
Sumerians had language predating cuneiform? Please do elaborate. I am
interested.
Also, at begining of this year, there was an artifact dug up in Romania
I believe. It was made of pure gold and had three faces. I thought it
may be related to early Slavs settlments, as they worshiped a god
named Triglav, which translates in 'three heads'. However, I never got more
information on it.
The current archeological discovery in Germany ...etc is incredibly exciting.
It's about time we learn more about distant origins of Europe.So far
we have lots of questions and not many answers.
My interest lays in origin of Slavs.Hopefully, archeologist will be able
to shed more light on it.
marduk
Jun 15 2005, 07:58 PM
QUOTE(suznet @ Jun 15 2005, 08:49 PM)
Sumerians had language predating cuneiform? Please do elaborate. I am
interested.
Also, at begining of this year, there was an artifact dug up in Romania
I believe. It was made of pure gold and had three faces. I thought it
may be related to early Slavs settlments, as they worshiped a god
named Triglav, which translates in 'three heads'. However, I never got more
information on it.
The current archeological discovery in Germany ...etc is incredibly exciting.
It's about time we learn more about distant origins of Europe.So far
we have lots of questions and not many answers.
My interest lays in origin of Slavs.Hopefully, archeologist will be able
to shed more light on it.
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http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...15entry678795
The Roswell Man
Jun 16 2005, 03:00 PM
wasa the sumerian empire at its height greater than the roman empire?
marduk
Jun 16 2005, 05:12 PM
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ Jun 16 2005, 04:00 PM)
wasa the sumerian empire at its height greater than the roman empire?

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For its time it was so well advanced beyond the romans it makes your eyes boggle
and it was 3000 years earlier
at least
The Roswell Man
Jun 16 2005, 05:22 PM
wish we were more sumerian than roman....
marduk
Jun 16 2005, 05:24 PM
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ Jun 16 2005, 06:22 PM)
wish we were more sumerian than roman....
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Nah
classic Babylonian period for me
It was much more fun
http://www.geocities.com/ouroboruslove/ind...l?1109217324638