Melladior
Jun 13 2005, 06:48 PM
I know it's well accepted (among us conspiracy theorist-types) that children can see ghosts. Here's a couple from my two year old, just for fun.
Since Leisl was old enough to talk, she always chatters to herself when she plays in her room alone (but never anywhere else in the house). I tried a few times to ask her who she was talking to (I wanted to meet her imaginary friends), but she would always clam up when I tried to get in on the conversation, or say, "The man doesn't like you."
I never gave it much thought until one day she and I were cleaning her room together, and she said, "The man died on the floor." WHAT!!?? I asked her a few questions, but all I could get out of her was "It's
his room" and "He doesn't like you" and then the freakiest "He said not to tell you."
So I've stopped asking
Also, when we go to my mom and dad's cabin, she always talks to the woman who passed away in the kitchen. We knew from the family who sold it that their elderly mother passed away there after living there like forty years (it was her primary residence, we only used it for weekend getaways).
Anyhow, that's my Leisl, the ghost whisperer!
Melladior
Jun 13 2005, 07:08 PM
By the way, I've got another daughter now who's almost one, I wonder if she'll see the man too.
Nadia Blue
Jun 13 2005, 07:29 PM
Creepy! In the house we used to live in, my son (he was about 1 at the time) would be playing on the floor jabbering away. But he'd look up, like he was looking at someone, jabber, jabber, then look back down at what he was doing and so on. Sometimes, he'd look up for a minute (was he watching someone?) then just burst out giggling. It was rather unsettling. It didn't help matters when my husband would look at me and whisper, "I see dead people".
Yawtza
Jun 13 2005, 08:01 PM
Starting early huh? That is just amazing on how any kid can see that. I wonder if it is because their brain has not been contaminated with the modernized world (mind racing, "Stop. Get set...Go!" type of lifestyle where the mind is no longer sensitive in that respect). Can children remember their memories as far back as two? I can't. My memory of my childhood that I can remember started when I was a bout three almost four to what I can remember as I type but I know that the memory is stored somewhere in the brain that holds those files. I never could see ghosts on daily basis when that young except till I was a little older with the occurance of the shadow figure at night (which I posted that earlier: "The Late May Issue"). Well cool, (I hope) that your child can see them. I just find that fascinating!
Melladior
Jun 13 2005, 08:10 PM
QUOTE(Yawtza @ Jun 13 2005, 08:01 PM)
Can children remember their memories as far back as two? [right][snapback]673883[/snapback][/right]
I don't remember much before the age of four or five, but I do remember the day my dad left me and my mom (I was only 26 moths old), so maybe important or traumatic events at an early age can be recalled.
It makes sense, since it's considered possible that traumatic events shape how we behave as adults (like a toddler who's bitten by a dog might still fear them later in life).
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 13 2005, 08:53 PM
I’ve noticed from a lot of discussion on the UM Forums that children almost have a startling experience of a medium. Not like “I’ll read your future” but unbelievable interactions with entity’s. I just find it amazing how children can hold the ability of what adults can’t even comprehend at times.
Tia
Jun 13 2005, 11:12 PM
Have you checked out your houses history to see if a man did die there?
As long as your daughter isn't bothered by it just support her.
It would be interesting to know why the male spirit doesn't want you to know he's there though?
TaintedDoughnuts
Jun 13 2005, 11:21 PM
i can remember some of my memories from when i was 2, very vague, but theyre still there

i think children can see these entities. my twin 2 year old brothers, for example, will sometimes stare at one place and start babbling away for no reason.
a creepy example of this is that movie hide and seek. that movie was scary!
ajagsfairy
Jun 14 2005, 12:41 AM
Very interesting thanks for sharing. I think that kids are more open to the spirit world because they just came from there. My younger sister use to say odd things simular to your daughter when she was around that age. Tho now i'm the only one that she tells these things to because the rest of the family chalks it up to imaganary friends or she just has a wild imagination. One thing she told me that freaked me out yrs ago, we were setting on my bed and i was reading her a story and she just stoped and calmly looked at me and said "Jolene before you were my sissy you were someone else and i knew you then too.'' She knew nothing about reincarnation or anything like that and at the time she was about 3 yrs old. It really amazes me some of the things kids say. I would just listen to your kids and keep an open mind. Blessings, Jo
final flight
Jun 14 2005, 12:50 AM
When I was younger I used to do things like that just to freak out my mom. So you might not want to take it so seriously.
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 14 2005, 01:27 AM
QUOTE(final flight @ Jun 13 2005, 08:50 PM)
When I was younger I used to do things like that just to freak out my mom. So you might not want to take it so seriously.
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Kahrie
Jun 14 2005, 01:30 AM
QUOTE(xoisk @ Jun 14 2005, 02:27 PM)
QUOTE(final flight @ Jun 13 2005, 08:50 PM)
When I was younger I used to do things like that just to freak out my mom. So you might not want to take it so seriously.
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O.K but do you think that a 2 year old could really comprehend what they were saying or doing if it indeed was just made up?

i don't think so, sure maybe if they were 4 or 5 years old no doubt but any younger than that the many strange things that they sometimes say makes you wonder who is telling them
final flight
Jun 14 2005, 01:41 AM
I was about 3 or 4. But I agree with you a two year old couldnt think up something like that.
Melladior
Jun 14 2005, 03:28 AM
Leisl's been talking to the man in her room since she learned to talk, about one and a half or two. She was two and a half or so when she told me he died on the floor.
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 14 2005, 03:53 AM
not a two year old...nope
earthchick
Jun 14 2005, 08:02 AM
QUOTE(Yawtza @ Jun 13 2005, 05:01 PM)
Can children remember their memories as far back as two? [right][snapback]673883[/snapback][/right]
Some of my most vivid childhood memories happened when I was only around a year old. None of them are traumatic. I know for a fact that they happened before I was 18 months old, because they are of the place we moved away from when I was 18 months old. One clear memory is of going with my Dad to a sausage factory and seeing long strings of sausage hanging from the ceiling. A man cut down a long rope of them and packed them up in a box for us. I remember a doll I had, and a dress that my mother made for it and I remember being scolded for drawing on the face with an ink pen (and not understanding why my Mom didn't think it looked pretty, like I did). Actually my parents are quite astounded at how much I remember from such a young age.

I also had imaginary friends who lived under the kitchen sink. They were a boy and a girl a wee bit bigger than I, both with white blonde hair. Now I'm wondering if they were all that imaginary!!
Super Pancake
Jun 14 2005, 01:36 PM
I think kids are just making up imaginary friends, and with T.V., other forms of media, and other influences, kids could imagine all sorts of things. And are you guys 2 yrs old to know what a 2 yr old could potentially comprehend and talk about.
For those who still have childhood memories how do you know if they are truly what they are I would imagine after years such things would become distorted and unrecognizable.
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 14 2005, 02:51 PM
It depends how big it impacts their life in a way, if it was a majority important event, or an important figure I think a 2 year old child remember moments of it.
Dodir_Svile
Jun 14 2005, 04:04 PM
i'd suggest doing a bit of an research to see whether a man really died there. if he hasn't, well then, you get the point. but if he has, maybe the kid heard it from someone who came to the house, or......IT'S A GHOST!!! BOO!

(not kidding, i really mean that.

)
Nadia Blue
Jun 14 2005, 05:23 PM
Let me tell you a little about 2 year olds. You'd be surprised what they know. My son was two when 911 happened. We tried to carry on like everything's normal, but he sensed some turbulance (nothing psychic there

). He started acting out and driving us and his daycare crazy. Very unlike him. So, one day when the daycare called, I went and picked him up for lunch. We went to McDonald's, and over happy meals, I asked him what was wrong. Why was he acting up. He didn't want to talk, but finally did. Here's what I got from the conversation. His dad (my hubby) is a deputy. Deputies get the bad guys. Right now (back then), the bad guys have torn up our country and went far away. Our good guys are going to "go over there and get them". So, that means Daddy is going to go away to fight the bad guys, right? And is he going to die? You want to talk about spooky! I couldn't believe his little mind wrapping itself around a situation like this.
So, I think kids can UNDERSTAND a lot of things we think they don't. However, I'm not so sure about them completely making things up. If you give them a hint of anything, their little imaginations can take it and run with it. You have to be careful what you say to/around them. My son, even now, says lots of things that are kind of creepy (mostly about his bedroom at night). I'm not sure what to say to him. I don't want to tell him that what he thinks he's seeing or hearing is not real (how do I know?), but I do want to reassure him. I just let him talk to me without recriminations and assure him I'm right in the next room should he need me. If something's really wrong, scream for me. Don't worry about waking the baby. I don't know if these things kids see and hear are real or imagination (my own imagination runs away sometimes), but I remember being scared at night, and my mother telling me, "there's nothing to be scared of". That's not what I wanted to hear. It just made me not tell her anything anymore. So, just be supportive and be there for your kids. As long as they're safe and healthy, that's all that really matters.
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 14 2005, 06:27 PM
That’s spooky, in a way I couldn’t see why children can’t comprehend major effects in life.
Yawtza
Jun 14 2005, 07:33 PM
You're exactly right. Give a positive feedback to your children and support their frame of thinking. The worst that can happen is when they get older they can understand the concepts (in more intellect) about their childhood experience. Yea definitely don't blow off their imagination because you will just insult their expression and they will not come to you anymore to express themselves. Fake or real, they'll tell you when they get older.
Melladior
Jun 14 2005, 09:28 PM

I spent the afternoon at the library (I had jury duty this morning, so I had a babysitter, YES!), but I didn't really find out a whole lot. My house was built in 1943, back when our town, Bakersfield, was just called Baker.
Not much else on microfiche. The town didn't have a true newspaper. There was a weekly periodical that covered national news, that's it.
BUT. I talked to the lady who lives down the road last night. She's about four hundred years old and inherited her house from her family. She said a burglar was shot by Earl Weston, the guy who owned this house back in the Fifties. I couldn't pin her down on many details, though.
I don't really mind Leisl communing with spirits, but I hate to think of her playing with a ghost who was killed with a shotgun trying to rob this house. *shudder*
Yawtza
Jun 14 2005, 09:37 PM
Oh wow......man that sounds crazy. Yea I wouldn't like the idea of my kid (if I had one) communicating with a spirit who failed to rob a house successfully. If that guy failed, no telling what kind of crappy advice he's giving to your child (j/k). I don't know why he wouldn't like you, the parent, in general. Maybe he's jealous that you get far more attention than he. I don't know.....? Just don't know.....
Kahrie
Jun 14 2005, 10:09 PM
QUOTE(final flight @ Jun 14 2005, 02:41 PM)
I was about 3 or 4. But I agree with you a two year old couldnt think up something like that.
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Sure i remember making up crap when i was that age (3-4) but when i was younger i can't really remember anything that i did or say at all
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 14 2005, 10:15 PM
QUOTE(Melladior @ Jun 14 2005, 05:28 PM)

I spent the afternoon at the library (I had jury duty this morning, so I had a babysitter, YES!), but I didn't really find out a whole lot. My house was built in 1943, back when our town, Bakersfield, was just called Baker.
Not much else on microfiche. The town didn't have a true newspaper. There was a weekly periodical that covered national news, that's it.
BUT. I talked to the lady who lives down the road last night. She's about four hundred years old and inherited her house from her family. She said a burglar was shot by Earl Weston, the guy who owned this house back in the Fifties. I couldn't pin her down on many details, though.
I don't really mind Leisl communing with spirits, but I hate to think of her playing with a ghost who was killed with a shotgun trying to rob this house. *shudder*
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that's insane...
ForRizzle
Jun 14 2005, 10:16 PM
Newsflash!!! Your kid does not see dead people!
Kahrie
Jun 14 2005, 10:19 PM
QUOTE(ForRizzle @ Jun 15 2005, 11:16 AM)
Newsflash!!! Your kid does not see dead people!
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What makes you say that?!

sure the child is seeing a spirit may be not alot of dead people?
ForRizzle
Jun 14 2005, 10:21 PM
You dont know he is not imaginig all this. Has anyone ever proved such a thing? No they have not.
Kahrie
Jun 14 2005, 10:24 PM
QUOTE(ForRizzle @ Jun 15 2005, 11:21 AM)
You dont know he is not imaginig all this. Has anyone ever proved such a thing? No they have not.
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True.

BUT do you really think that a little 2 year old girl really has the capabilities to make something like this up?! i don't think so
ForRizzle
Jun 14 2005, 10:25 PM
Honestly, I think there is more of a chance of that. Yes
Kahrie
Jun 14 2005, 10:31 PM
QUOTE(ForRizzle @ Jun 15 2005, 11:25 AM)
Honestly, I think there is more of a chance of that. Yes

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Sure.

i value your opinion of the subject. however, many 2 year olds don't know the concept of death etc, and my personal oinion is that if this little 2 year old girl did indeed make this ALL up then she must have a high intelligence quotant
Fluffybunny
Jun 14 2005, 10:33 PM
That is an interesting story...it reminds me of a movie I saw, but the name escapes me at this point.
It could be a child that has the ability to see things that most do not, or it could be a child influenced by the world around him, television, overheard stories...who knows. Kids can be rather creative...
It is hard to say what is actually going on.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jun 14 2005, 10:34 PM
Why would you assume some type of medium power? What about something more logical like an imagination or in the worst case a organic malfunction in the brain, but no that is too logical lets say she can talk to ghosts. Give me a break.
Yawtza
Jun 14 2005, 10:36 PM
If the kid does, the kid does, if the kid doesn't, the kid doesn't. Either way....we (the forum) don't know for fact but nothing of the sort is considered fact. Look,... Melladior was just sharing something that relates to the paranormal which is what this forum is about and we respect her story and her opinions about the matter. Disagree...cool. Agree,...cool. Come on, no negativity or unnecessary comments about her or her child. Its just a possibility. She's not Sapphire or spyofkiller or anyone of that nature, if so then we all would understand the criticism.
Kahrie
Jun 14 2005, 10:38 PM
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Jun 15 2005, 11:34 AM)
Why would you assume some type of medium power? What about something more logical like an imagination or in the worst case a organic malfunction in the brain, but no that is too logical lets say she can talk to ghosts. Give me a break.
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I was just thinking that

maybe this girl has schziophrenia (i don't know how to spell

) and is just seeing images of this man in her head (who knows?) BUt if she can give accurate details of this "spirit" then there must be something paranormal going on
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jun 14 2005, 10:38 PM
I am not being negative, just stating my opinion. I would look for a logical explanation before going with paranormal one.
Kahrie
Jun 14 2005, 10:39 PM
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Jun 15 2005, 11:38 AM)
I am not being negative, just stating my opinion. I would look for a logical explanation before going with paranormal one.
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that's true.

i value your opinion on the subject
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jun 14 2005, 10:39 PM
I have said before on other posts that my mother is shcizophrenic. She has very, very detailed dellusions which including voices that talk to her.
Kahrie
Jun 14 2005, 10:41 PM
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Jun 15 2005, 11:39 AM)
I have said before on other posts that my mother is shcizophrenic. She has very, very detailed dellusions which including voices that talk to her.
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Mmm, thats what makes me think that this little girl thinks that she is seeing this "man" but its all in her head

which is quite sad really
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jun 14 2005, 10:43 PM
I would hope that is just imagination. My mothers life was take away at 35 by schizophrenia.
Kahrie
Jun 14 2005, 10:45 PM
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Jun 15 2005, 11:43 AM)
I would hope that is just imagination. My mothers life was take away at 35 by schizophrenia.
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That's sad

i personally would hate to have that problem. having to hear voices all the time would be disturbing
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 14 2005, 11:01 PM
Anyone know why children always have a blank connection to the paranormal?
Yawtza
Jun 14 2005, 11:11 PM
Well sorry to hear that about your mother and for the many other families who have relatives with that mental disorder. Well the child can always get a mental status evaluated and I do know that logic does solve a lot of problems to an extent. I know they are your ideas and opinions about the topic but it was targeted at ForRizzle who was kind of "stamping on the forehead" which is you know kind of uncalled for. Well schizophrenia in mind, then the events are real to the child. In my opinion, more than likely its probably the typical child that has a healthy background (I'm going with the high possibility route on that since the odds of schizophrenia in children are against them which favor middle age men 20s, 30s) and (a) might have an imaginary friend which is made up or (

sees something that we don't but she really can see due to something that is unexplained.
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 14 2005, 11:14 PM
Doesn’t schizophrenia run in biological makeup?
Yawtza
Jun 14 2005, 11:26 PM
Statistics are pointing to that route. From my research at the time, they also taken notice about enlarged ventricles in the brain (obviously filled with fluid) playing a role as well but don't want to jump all out into schizophrenia or mental disorders because it can be a touchy subject for some and we might end up stealing the topic away from the real subject at hand. For the whole topic, I'd just let time take its course and if it is an imaginary friend, then it will die off as the child becomes more involved into society/environment as the child ages. If the kid still claims to have encounters with the supernatural then there goes another topic to discuss. IMO, if the child can see a ghost and can keep consistently matching the description that matches to its history of the deceased then WOW....you got something there.
If I offended anyone, I apologize......Word!
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jun 14 2005, 11:28 PM
Possibly it could be hereditry, but it did not run in my family at all.
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 14 2005, 11:28 PM
I agree...wait it out and see what the results are...
Tia
Jun 15 2005, 01:58 AM
It is very unlikely to be a mental health issue at this age.
The child isn't claiming to see people all the time, only her grandma and a man in her room.
That sounds awful doesn't it, " a man in her room ".
Maybe a genuine psychic could be brought into the house, being given no details beforehand and see what they pick up.
Xoisk el Soñador
Jun 15 2005, 02:03 AM
But children usually don’t lie about such a serious situation. So I highly claim it’s not schizophrenia, but as I said before wait a bit and see what the results are.
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