Whoa! I'm gone for a couple hours and all of a sudden my kids got schizophrenia?! Seriously, I was just relating a couple things that have gone on with my two year old because I thought it was interesting. I'm really not passing any judgements on whether it's paranormal or just a healthy kid's imagination.

I love all this debate, though.

My daughter never said anything about the man being shot, just that "he died on the floor". I don't know much else about him because, as I said, "the man" told her not to tell me anything else. Of course, that could just be her not wanting to let me in on her fun; it doesn't have to mean he's really there.

I have no intention of asking her if he was shot or if he's a robber, or anything else of that nature because 1) she's only two and I don't want to give her nightmares and 2) if she is communing, I want it to be organic and not tainted by anything I put in her head.

I will, however, continue to try and find out what happened in this house.

Try to ask past residents about your house, see if they ever experienced any entity’s…

In my own case.....because my parents are both still alive and well and can corroborate all of my memories, and because my memories are very clear. In many of them I can even remember the clothes I was wearing, and what colour they were. But then I was speaking in full sentences by the age of 1, and that may play a part in it.

By the way....anyone who has ever parented a 2 year old knows fairly well how a 2 year old thinks.

It's extremely rare for Schizophrenia to hit before adolescence. Even if a 2 year old were to have delusions or hallucinations, he/she would only be able to hallucinate things that are within his/her limited, short life experience. Death is not normally within the experience of a 2 year old, and most especially nor is a dead man who died on the floor. A normal 2 year old wouldn't even have enough knowledge of such things to make something like that up.....no matter how high the intelligence quotient.

Agreed

After reading all this I now know why people don't talk about Ghost sightings. Some of you guy would be subjecting this child to a barrage of Medical test, no mater how scary or painful.

Others would preform an Exorcism. And a couple would Burn her as a witch!

So much for open minded people!

A witch!? How could an angel like this be a witch??

Your daughter's beautiful!

People like to jump in on a topic like this and say things like, "give me a break! A ghost? Get logical!" In fact, there is no proven scientific reason why the concept of a ghost is outlandish or even unlikely. Indeed, the "scientific" argument against ghosts generally runs to, "ghosts can't exist because, well, they just can't! I mean, duh! And anyway, prove they do!" It's hardly logical. (Besides, as I've said before, quantum physics is WAYYYYYY weirder than anything I've ever read about ghosts!)

I think your story is very interesting. I'd love to hear anything more you have to tell us. And, by the way, you know if there *is* a ghost and it *is* the guy who was trying to rob the house, that might explain why he doesn't want you to know about him. He could still be trying not to get caught, not realizing that he already has been.

Just a thought.

She's a real cutey, does she love animals and speak from the heart?

As a child we believe in Santa etc as childs mind is much more open than ours therefore they see ghost angels etc. I have no doubt she saw these things. As adults we close our minds and lose that sight.

Actually, you might say she loves animals a little TOO much. She snuck one of our newborn kittens to bed one night and almost crushed it.

Thank goodenss those things have claws. She woke up and tattled on it for scratching her.

aaaw, she's such a cutie

anyway, some of you suggested waiting till she gets older, and then, if "he" disappears, it means he's an imaginary friend. but, what if...he's not an imaginary friend, but a real ghost, and she stops seeing him when she gets older because...well, because kids are more openminded for these things. then you would miss a perfect chance of finding out something more about ghosts.

didnt I say that on last page? but yes i agree

I'm just not sure what I should ask her, or how. I don't want to ask leading questions that subconsciously suggest things for her to say. Any suggestions, anyone??

Schizophrenia is always a possible answer. But if we assume that's what it is, then there are A LOT of children out there with it. I hear stories like this about children from nearly everyone I know. All walks of life. Religious, nonreligious, skeptic, or not.

It's hard to get accurate info out of a two year old. You have to be careful (like you said) about leading questions or giving "food" to their imagination. Like I said before, no matter how curious you are, just be there for your child. When she? realizes you're there for her and she can talk to you about anything, she'll open up on her own.

Well put.

You're child is a beautiful child. Good soul indeed. I said all I needed to say earlier on this post but to clarify for those who tend to miss out on their reading, I do believe that your child can possibly see things that we may not see and I am glad that there are few who agree with the spiritual realm than the logical scientific realm of the issue. Schizophrenia is very rare and unlikely to occur in children and I don't even know why that was even mentioned but it was and the possiblity is highly unlikely so thats an obvious rule out. Good thought though.....Its just a pitty on some individual's "know it all" attitude and use it to cut down others rather than discuss topics like educated people do and use that knowledge in a positive sense instead of "Newsflash! Your child can't see dead people." It's just makes people want to say like "Newsflash! she only said she could see two if you paid any attention on reading it through Newton!". Melladior, like i said earlier, thank you for sharing your story with us and for giving us an insight on your experience. It's just fascinating on how your child is able to see them. I agree, this is not an M.D.s office and we are not here to diagnose everyone's story unless they ask for advice pertaining to it. I think you should just let your kid be a kid and keep the positive support going. Let her know that she can talk to you about anything and keep the bond going. But what do I know, I'm just a college student.....and I have no children of my own right??? Have a great day!

It's cool, Yawtza. You'll be a great daddy one day!

They say that babies see angles and things like that, my mom said that i would stare at things and strart to smile at nothing it is freaking when she tells me the storie.....

So lets rule out shcizophrenia because it is too unlikely, but seeing ghosts is more realistic. Whatever.

My husband's grandpa believes the reason that very young babies tend to look past us instead of directly at us is because they're looking at our 'auras', for lack of a better word.

I would say granpa dosent' look at things logically. It is a beautiful idea, but that is all it is.By the way, I have a 5 year old and I guess when she talks on her phone with here imaginary friends it must be ghosts. It is how people look at life. I look at it logically.

You should simply try to interview your child about the entity, the only thing I’m worried about is the ghost becoming upset of her giving away information.

Hello. Encouraging your child about a supposed ghost is not a good idea.

But you can put it into different names to keep the identity hidden…I’m not saying just go and be like ‘WHAT ABOUT THE GHOST MAN YOU TALK TO’

Agreed, to use a xiosxism!

Ericraven, I like to think I look at things logically, too. I wouldn't suggest that every time a child talks to herself it's a ghost. Hell, I had imaginary friends that lived under our couch. There was a period of several months when I wouldn't let people sit down cause I thought my friends would get smashed.

I've been a mom long enough to recognize that children have very vivid imaginations, but the particularly morbid things she says about 'the man' do disturb me, as I imagine they might disturb you if you found yourself in my situation.

The reason I brought it up in the first place was to get others' opinions, yours included and I thank you, but also just because I thought it would be interesting. The name of this website is Unexplained Mysteries, after all.

Okay look.....not everytime a child talks to an "imaginary friend" it's not a ghost. We all know where you are coming from trying to "handle" the situation logically. Again, not everytime a child talks to it's "imaginary friend" means its schizophrenia either. Yes she could be excersizing her imagination and expresses it outloud which is typical and natural for most part. I am sure she narrowed down "logically" the possible explanations for the event. Again the girl is two years old, the girl has descriptions that pertain to the deceased that died in the house or property. What is wrong with this scenerio of saying okay, "Could she possibly be talking to a ghost?" It's a possiblity......but yea it may not be true but it's a possibility. Could it possibly be her imaginary friend that she made up? Yes, it is a possibility......and that possibility does favor over the other in general. Could it possibly be schizophrenia or brain dysfunction,........yes but that possibility is the most unlikely possiblity out of the two but its a possiblity. The question is that we really don't know but it's okay to think outside of logic. Not everything has to be logic. It can help but only when logic seems to favor the situation. If you want to think "logically" about this then see how accurate (throughout the time) information she can get or no, information she spills out about her "imaginary friends" then try to correlate the relationship between the two on the match of the information that she has compared to the information about the deceased. Either way there is "no loser" about this topic and its okay to state your opinion. There is just nothing wrong with thinking outside the box...especially, especially when you are in a forum of unexplained mysteries under paranormal. When expressing so on Melladior's part, that sounds like it makes the most logical sense to me.

Maybe children can see ghosts for the open minds, and curious gestures towards others.

There's a difference, it's hard to explain but you can tell. The child/ baby is not just staring, but interacting.

When my oldest was about 6mths old I put her in her cot for the night. I must have went into her half a dozen times as she was laughing and babbling and staring straight up at 'nothing'.
She was so busy playing with her visitor that she wouldn't settle, in the end I said 'It's really nice you've come to visit Ruby but she needs her sleep and so do we, could you leave now and visit during the day.'
I walked out the room and within a minute or two Ruby was fast asleep, her visitor obviously leaving.

My daughter talks on her play phone costantly to someone, but I would never ,ever think it was a ghost.

I really hope the day comes in my lifetime where people think of the logical solution instead of marking it as a "spirt" encounter..how can you honestly believe that just because a child, is laughing or staring at something, it's a ghost? Is this world going crazy??? A child could see a fleck of dust floating through the air and reach and jabber and do other nonsensical child like things because of it..and almost a majority of people here will think that it's a ghostly encounter. How distressing.

Or how about this Tia, your child was watching different shadows dance across the walls from a window, or light levels, or wind blowing noises. And maybe your child just happened to doze off approximately the same time you decided to check up on him/her. Does that not sound more logical than assuming there was a ghost involved?

Ericraven2003 more than likely your child is not talking to a ghost. More than likely she is just having fun with her creative imagination which is just typically normal and cool. Your child is not in the same scenerio as Melladior's daughter. We are just going off of what Melladior has described.....what are the chances that a two year old could describe an old lady that died and can recognize her in a picture without even seeing her alive to begin with (or any previous relationship with her) and making the similar correlation between the two. It might be because she might have seen previous pictures, it might be because someone might have described her in the past and she just built off of that imagination. It might be brain damage. It might be because of coincidence. It might be because she might actually see something we don't. They're all possibilities. WOW,..... I didn't know that one simple observation was going to turn into a war of logic. If you put probability into the mix, then logically anything can happen but the chances may differ but the possibility is still there. What skeptics are doing is "diving" right into their results and making a conclusion without thinking about the "logical" possibilities. We don't have a sure answer, including you, we are just throwing out possibilities and thinking outside the box of the "what if" but are not 100% sure or accurate. Sure I too am a skeptic at times, but I don't jump into conclusions unless it's pretty f-ing obvious. If we all thought "logically" towards the scientific view of life, then ghost would not exist and this forum would be pointless. Man, if you don't believe in an opinion, it's okay to be opinionated but no need to belittle the others because I don't see anyone of us with a Nobel Prize on our resume! We all have an interested in the unexplained mysteries and for the paranormal. Sorry but nobody is right "logically" when it comes to the unexplained but possibly we all have chance and we all respect the chances but not belittling.

*dabs Yawtza's brow with a towel*

You're doing great, champ! You've got him against the ropes. One or two more rounds, and he's history!

*bell rings, Yawtza pounds his gloves together and heads into the ring*

Round Three!!

Why is everyone so skeptical about communication to another entity? Since when do shadows acclaim to someone being dead on the floor. Unless this girl is completely insane (WHICH I HIGLY DOUBT) she is communicating with another being. So stop trying to act that logical thinking is the only way to solve a problem, logical thinking won’t get you anywhere on these mysterious forums!!!

Ok Sprinkles, you weren't there and you don't know my history or my childs.

I've always had spirits 'visit' and you can tell when one's around.

Why is it logical that a ghost wasn't involved?

I may think people who don't open their eyes to whats really around them may be very silly, but I don't try to force my beliefs onto them. This last one also applies to ericcraven, just because you don't agree with our way of looking at things does not mean you are correct, nor does it mean we are.

Different people, different ideas........

Melladior, what an adorable little girl!

There are many things that can't be explained by logic. As science and technology advances, we solve some of these mysteries...that's how we evolve. But some of them will never be solved. Sooooo, there is really no point in spinning one's wheels arguing about it when there is no concrete proof on either side. If that makes any sense.

After all, there was a time when most people thought the world was flat, and anyone who believed otherwise was deemed insane.

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Melladior, those are some creepy stories!!
Reminds me of my daughter who was creepy from the very beginning!
It started when she was born. I was in heavy labor and asked my husband what time it was. He said "just after midnight on the 13th"..then I realized it was FRIDAY. Imagine my fright at having a child born on Friday the 13th!
A few months later my mother-in-law was talking to a friend of hers who is supposedly psychic. She told her tons of stuff about my daughter including that she was "special". Hmmm
My grandmother passed away a few weeks before my daughter's first Christmas. I took photos of my daughter and I in front of the tree, only to develop them and find a flying orb that at one point was directly shining on my daughter.
Every Christmas, the orb appears, regardless of the camera I am using.
In her Baptism photos there is also a bright light following her around...all other photos ever taken at different times were fine.
Another time when she was a toddler, I put her down for a nap in her crib and ended up falling asleep myself on the couch. I had this strange dream where I saw a tall blonde man leaning over her crib and watching her sleep with a smile on his face. The dream was so realistic, I had such strong feelings that I woke up and had to check on her. I opened the door and found my daughter babbling away to herself or so I thought? I asked her who she was talking to and she said "The man." That was enough to give me shivers...
The only tall blonde man that fit my description was my husband's Uncle who died at 17 in a tragic motorcycle accident. My husband was born one year exactly to his Uncle's death date, he has his name and his looks...which is another story in itself
So, yes...spirits and children are a creepy combination.

If I remember right from my philosophy of religions class, one of the primary problems science has with the soul (which can also be applied to ghosts) is that the brain--a physical organ--is necessary for our cognitive processes, and that, since the soul/ghosts are obviously incorporeal, how would they think or retain memories of who they are? (Some other problems were more minor, such as locomotion, sensory processes, etc)

That being said, though, I still think ghosts are likely...too much history, photos, sightings, etc, to be made up (at least in my opinion), and I don't think it's that far-fetched for children to see and communicate with spirits, should they exist--children are far more open-minded, they notice a lot more than adults, and a ghost would probably feel more comfortable talking to a child than an adult--less threat of "being discovered" should the child speak about him/her

I'd say wait and find out, just keep a close eye on your daughter

Three great replies in a row! It's definitely given me a new perspective on the possible significance of imaginary friends.

I think it's enviable that children are so open to things. They aren't yet biased by our prejudices and opinions and sense of logic/illogic. I wonder what humanity might have accomplished by now if we were able to keep that sense of freedom about us instead of being limited by what we think is impossible. For children, there's only possible.

Hallo, AuntieBigfoot, wilkommen zum Board! So schön noch jemand aus Österreich zu sehen. Viele Grüsse aus Graz.

anyway, back on topic. Melladior, u asked for some directions on talking to your girl about it. if i were you, i would start of nonchalantely (spelling?). and, like, ask her everyday what's up and what's been happening in her little 2-year-old-life
and if you don't want to give her any leads, you could give her some wrong leads. for example, since the man was a robber (or wasn't, if it's not a ghost) and died during the robbery, you could ask her if he was gardener or something. of course, only when she mentiones him, not out of the blue anyway, if she says that he was a gardener, then you know that she's probably using her imagination.

the funny thing is that she says it was HIS room. i mean, how can it be his room (if he IS the robber) when he didn't live there?

"the funny thing is that she says it was HIS room. i mean, how can it be his room (if he IS the robber) when he didn't live there? "


Ooooh. Good point. I hadn't thought about that...

I'm skeptical because I like to look at all aspects of a situation before I draw a conclusion. And I'm sorry but I feel that deeming anything a ghostly encounter is the least likely scenario. Now, that does NOT mean I don't believe in other world entinties. Do you not think with so many cases of claimed paranormal they can be explained by much more rational thinking and events? To me it seems that so many people here think it's more believable to explain a curtain billowing up to be a ghost than a wind gust..and that is just really, sick.

Well you're right about I don't know anything about your child, and I'm sorry if my post came across as offensive. That wasn't my intention. For that I apologize. Now with that being said, most children do act in a similar way..for the most part, I'm just trying to entertain the idea that this case might have a more more simpler explanation than the one you offered. Also, can you elaborate and explain to me in detail how you know there is a spirit around. Do you really know because you can see one, or talk to one?

Dude, xoisk, did you even read or understand my take or did you just cheap shot my reply by not reading my "replies" of the take and assumed my place on this topic (take = subject at hand). I think you should just read a little more before labeling me as a skeptic on this subject. Obviously the people who kept up with this know where I stand (Melladior, thanks for the positive support). No Mike Tyson here! LOL j/k

Very cool, thanks for sharing.

Sprinkles, it's good that you try to trial and error logically before jumping into conclusions pointing into the paranormal and I know at times some are overexaggarated in terms of their claims (they are usually the obvious ones that contradict their stories by changing it up all the time). I'm sure though that Melladior and Tia have their reasons through their own personal experiences to give them their right to express and believe their case of the paranormal. I'm sure they did their own trial and error narrowing down their situations to only a couple and I'm sure they did their homework/research about the matter before they stepped up to the plate and bat (as in stuck with their conclusion and stand by it). The first critic usually is the self when experienceing the paranormal because it's so unreal and so scientifically erronous (or in my head) to where you think that there's just no possible way of what just happened (denial) and nobody will believe you to begin with because the majority hasn't visually seen it or experienced it for themselves (but it's funny though because they are also the ones that are chickensh*t to be persuaded by trying to experience for themselves). I too have my personal believes of the paranormal through my own experiences that would draw critics. We all (who had paranormal experiences)have that common ground. To try to deny or ignore an unexplainable experience is just manipulating the situation causing more of a bias towards selfish denial which is not fair to an closed mind that wants to be open. To say that the people are crazy because they assume things like the curtain moving but it could have been the wind blowing....well I'm sure people observe their environment well (as "duh the window is open but I'm sure for them to be spooked by thecurtain moving they had to take into account that the window is closed so there is no way in hell the curtain should have moved in that particular pattern and hmm don't own any pets and no one opened the door to caus a current to move in that direction, etc....) and I'm sure it takes more than one occurance before they start "advertising" their story to others. It took me a while to believe in ghosts because I was hard-headed in that department. Look, if you do believe in entities and the such, I think that everyone deserves the credibility until proven ignorant because we all come to the forum due to the curiosity of the unexplained. Obviously Melladior's situation is a unique and unexplainable possibility along with Tias.

Damn man, I apologize for typing an essay about that. I had an exam this morning so I probably just made an ass of myself by not making sense (I don't know I'm exhausted). Plus I need the Pistons to beat Spurs to even the series up at two a piece. (its the NBA finals man....)

Well f-ing A!
To whoever I offend, I apoligize and I do respect the opinion of the possibilities in the logical aspect. I wasn't try to be a hard ass and if it sounded like I was coming off that way.... I'm sorry. Thats all I have to say.

NOTE: I am not "Mr. Know-It-All".....hell I'm not even old (which excludes the word wise) but discussing the topics of the unexplained with everyone on regular basis is a privilege because this whole website has all it has to offer to a curious mind and everyone who is here to begin with speaks for itself.

I didn't completely read this thread, but to clear things up a little. Schizophrenia doesn't develope untill later in life (99.9% of cases). Her child isn't suffering from that I assure you. Do some research if you don't beleive me or ask any Psychology student. Besides there are many other symtoms and side affects she doesn't show or the mother would know. Children have a wild sense of imagination that can be influenced from the outside world. Has the mother been with the child every minute of her life? Other kids and even adults say things around them and they pick it up and go with it. There could be some cases with children making contact with ghosts, considering if every child could there would be alot of evidence and more urban legend other than the what movie the 6th sense created.