My first real thread i've started

Anyways, my question is what do you think happens when we die?
Do you think we become spirits and roam the earth? Or do we just simple decompose and rott in our coffin? I'm talking life after death type thing here.

I think that there is life afterdeath heres why:
As some of you may kno that as humans on average we create enuff energy equal to 1000 atomic bombs in our lifetime. Thats awhole smeg load of energy. In science we learn that energy cannot simply dissappear. It is simpley changed from one type of energy to another? ya get me? So if humans are so full of energy where does it go when we die? I think the energy leaves our body and the life we lead afterdeath is some next level sh*t. I could be completely wrong tho and our 'energy' is dispursed amongst the plants and animals and what not.

energy is used up as part of the living process.

if we were to extend your analogy, that means that everything goes to a "next life" since everything contains energy.

my personal opinion is that when we die we are dead. as part of the earth-system, we "live on" in the cycle of regeneration. death is life, and life is death.

We either move on the the next level if we've got it right, repeat the process again if we need another chance to improve, or move down a level if we got it really wrong. We do also physically lie in a hole and rot but our spirit moves on elsewhere...I don't know where as I have yet to experience it yet but my first sentence is based upon some basics laws of karma I have read about.

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/index.html
If you want to know exactly what science has learned about conciousness read this.
and honestly try to understand it, there are alot of big words.

When we die we lose 15 grams or something like that, it just disappears into thin air, no one really knows where it goes...

We have water in our brains which exists in a plasma state. The molecules are in such an arrangement as to allow for semi-conductivity. This plasma creates a space-time pertubtion because the molecules get superimposed onto eachother periodically.

There is something which surrounds this earth, its called a plasma sphere. These are particles which are semi-conductive, they protect us from solar flares. The plasma sphere of the earth is connected with the plasma sphere of the sun, and the plasma sphere of the sun encases the entire solar system.
In theory, each plasma sphere in the galaxy is connected just as ours is with that of the sun.

Eastern philosophy, particularly buddhism, reffers to our souls as being "Liquid Light" this is an incredibly accurate description of what plasma actually is.

Light is seen as a combination of electric and magnetic fields. The semi-conductivity of a plasma substance allows for the constant flow of electrons, this flow creates an electro-magnetic fied, which is why liquid light is a good description.

So what happens when we die?
(there is a theory):
Our soul in the form of layered electro-magnetic fields becomes trapped on this earth... when you go into the "tunnel of light" or the "bright light" you actually are travelling up a lightning bolt into the plasma-sphere.

Lightning has been seen to go from ground to sky on occassion.

In the centre of the earth is plasma, constantly churning like a motor, this produces the earths magnetic field in tandem with the plasma sphere... this plasma at the center of our planet is under constant and immense pressure, this could be hell, and the plasma sphere above the earth is connected with the sun and every other planet and is under no pressure, it is free to roam... this could be heaven.

This is no test. This is the only conscious life you are ever going to get. Time will not exist and there is no 'you'. you wont ever exist again.

I have only experienced consciousness for less than 20 years. I definitly did not get bored waiting around 14 BILLIONS years to be born. Therefore if I ever happen to die, I will simply not exist.

Just try and remember what it was like BEFORE you were born. You can't can you? Well thats what it will be like for the rest of time.

Or you could try not to die

stix: interesting. there are a few field theories relating to life floating around.
any comment on morphogenetic fields?

I'm not sure i believe in death, i can't seem to come to terms with the fact that life will just end, i think there is some sort of after life, im just not sure what, i find it all fascinating.

After we die we will stop existing... Little critters and bacteria will consume us and that's it. The reason why we have reincarnation theories and afterlife theories is that we are afraid what is after death, people just cannot accept that they will just die and stop existing. They are so afraid that they create theories of what will happen after death to calm themselves down and live a normal life without being afraid of death every single day. A good example of a person like that is x woosh x. He might not admit it but deep down inside he is afraid of dieing and not existing, so he cannot accept it that we just die and he doesn't know why but he believes in life after death. He doesn't know what it will be, he just believes that there is something after death. This helps him do his daily things without being afraid to cease existing, that all he accomplishes is not for nothing, he wont just cease existing and lose everything he got in his life (besides material things all the emotions he felt, the experiences and knolwedge he gained)He finds comfort that if not the material things, then everything else is going with him in an afterlife...

Now Sqratch, dont think that the whole energy equal to 1000 atomic bombs stays within us until we die. It is being transformed into other types of energy while we live and at the moment of death you wont even have energy for 1/10th of an atomic bomb, far from it... When we die we are just food for other organisms. We kill a cow, get beef, cook it, eat it and get energy that way. Basically the same thing is with us, just leave out the cooking part... Never heard of anyone saying that the cow's "spirit" goes on somewhere else. Don't think we are so special...

NO NO that's all wrong! Sqratch asked a simple question. He deserves a simple answer. Professor Ian Stevenson and his colleagues over the past 40 years or so have established the existence of reincarnation, beyond any shadow of a doubt. See my website below. Or look up "Prof. Stevenson" with Google. Or read his mighty fine technical monograph Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation that was first published in 1967, I think, and kept in print by the University of Virginia Press. So if he discovered the truth of reincarnation, why did he use the word "suggestive?"

Because he knows that any result must be reproducible, and it has been repeatedly over the 35 or so years since, by his own work, and by others. This early work is about children who spontaneously speak of a former lifetime at about age 2.5 years. The memories usually vanish by 5 or 7. They are detailed, and testable, and members of various SPRs have investigated these 20 cases and many more.

Prof. Stevenson has also investigated many cases of responsive xenoglossy, where, an adult, in deep hypnotic trance, will converse in a foreign language not known by the present personality.

BTW, the basic analysis of the data Prof. Stevenson puts forward in his concluding chapter of Twenty Cases still holds good. He shows that one feature or another of these 20 cases (and the thousands to come later) rule out every alternative explanation but reincarnation.

That, my friends, is known as scientific method. Rule out the alternatives. As Sherlock Holmes put it so succinctly, "When you have ruled out the alternatives, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Dr.H~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I guess I believe my energy will just go back to the universe to be reused in some way or manner... kind of like that guy in "Tears of Darkness". I wouldn't worry to much about what happens... we will all find out soon enough and it will only put down the anchor in your day.

As an openminded person I am willing to accept reincarnation, but the link in your signature did not give me any proof... There was just a man talking about his theories of de Broglie waves and appariton sense etc, but no proof shown. I suppose I must buy his book to get proof about reincarnation and actualy I just might do that though I don't live in America and the availability of the book is questionable. Any chance you will give me a link or two which offer cold hard facts, not just theories.

Possible that because english is not my first language I missed the proof and did not understand a few words not commonly used... So if there is proof on the page and you have time, then maybe you might point me to a few sections of the text or quote something from there?

A part of the text:One thing at least has been scientifically proven, and that is reincarnation. Professor Ian Stevenson’s studies of young children who spontaneously recall a former lifetime, and his studies of responsive xenoglossy in adults in a deep hypnotic trance, rule out all alternatives to reincarnation. See his final chapter in Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation for the arguments that do rule out all known alternatives. So why is this book merely “suggestive?” Because Prof. Stevenson knows the importance of reproducibility. This book was published in 1967. In the 40 years since, his studies have been frequently reproduced, by himself and by other Psychical Researchers.

So we know that reincarnation is true. Ahm, by that text I don't know if reincarnation is true...

I'm going to come back as a Dark entity
and haunt and terrorize my advasaries who are still living....

MUU HAA HA HAA HA HAAA HAAA
*evil laugh*

You hit it right on the head!!!!!!!

OR we DO get reborn (but not neccessarily as a human), we just don't have the memories (because the brain cells that hold those memories no longer exist).

When you die, that's it. You blink out of the timeline. Just like before you were born.

I do, however, find it comforting to think that there's always a chance of cosmic reincarnation - if the Universe continually expands then collapses, then at some stage, life will evolve again in the same pattern as it did before. Sure, the odds are outrageously astronomical that it'll be the same again anytime soon, but that's the beauty of infinity - there's always time...

If, however, the Universe is just expanding, then this is probably just a one way trip. To misquote Saint Augustine, "Better to have lived and died, than never to have lived at all".

Another reason why i think there is something else after we die, is that how do you explain ghosts? I most def. believe in ghosts coz my family and I have had many experience, but thats another story.

Kalevipoeg, i have heard of stories of animal spirits and what not. And if they weren't true maybe its because as humans our brains are so much more complex, and that is the reason we have spirits. Eastern philosophy believes that ghosts, spirits or whatever you wanna call them, are the deceased who have died and not given a proper burial.

well, my friend and I had this crazy theory about death that after you die you just start your life again like i would still be born on the same day and same year just again and it would repeat and you could change certain things. We came to this talking about dejau vu and wondered how we could like see into the future in our dreams my friend said we could see them maybe because it already happened an maybe we would see something we had to change or change to benefit ourselves.
Eventually we just discarded it as some dumb idea that had to many flaws in it, but who knows who really knows
Tell me if you think that is crazy

After death, we are buried/cremated, there is no life after death in my opinion. As for the thing about energy it can be passed from one object to another, transformed into different kinds of energy etc, I believe this is what happens to all the energy.

Well you just die Nothing much.

Yes, you will probably have to buy the book, or find a copy of Ian Stevenson's Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation. It might be found in a good public or University library. The book, UFOs, PSI and Spiritual Evolution contains proof in the chapter on "Seven Psi Phenomena." It is available on Amazon.com, and probably on Amazon.com.uk. Adventures Unlimited Press does have cooperative connections with some European and UK publishers, but I don't know their names. ~~~Dr.H

Only the dead knows, dont they?
We all will find out sooner or later thats for sure

i would think we would leave our bodies as spirits and go to heaven or hell (which ever) or if we still have a purpose to stay we will stay till we can carry out that purpose.

I believe in god but I wonder... I mean I know heaven has to be pretty full of dead people & what will all of us do up there.. Just sit around in happiness for eternity.

I think that when all of us die.. We just get reborn again with no memory of your past life. Either your born as another life form or maybe luckily another human & restart life again as a new person with a new family. Funny I was thinking about something.. what if your grandmother died right & she was reincarnated into a cochroach who happened to coincidentally be born in your house.. You see the baby roach & you kill it.. You've just killed your reincarnated grandmother. Ok let me shut up because I sound really stupid lol!

I think the government takes half of everything we worked our entire lives for.

Has anybody heard of reincarnated star? Or planet? The Sun is much more important than us and it will die, period, why the hell should it be different for us? Supernovas feed other stars and planets, we will feed the Earth. Don't create explanations corrupted by your culture or prejudice. Look beyond Earth, or the Solar System for that matter, for completely natural explanations.

And hell is in the center of the Earth? What happens when the iron core stops turning? "Hell breaks loose"?

I cannot give you a scientific answer...

But I hope there's heaven, I'm looking forward to dying in 2 weeks.
Sadly, if there is, I'll need to spend 80 years waiting for my loved one to come greet me.

There's nothing like being dumb. You just think about paying your bills, and that's it.

We all work towards the evolution of the universe , some people die old because they do not fufil ambitions , some people die young as they have served their purpose and await you at the final stage of evolution , this stage is the ultimate goal to which every living human/creature has worked towards.

Some of our loved ones are already there.....

There has been the beginning of the human race and there will be the end of the human race , this wont be through destruction but through Evolution.

In every life we have lived so far we have learnt to deal with situations which have made us grow , made us act different in the next life.

We have all lived before , yes there is hardly any evidence of this but there also no evidence against it ..................

I really hope not...

I didn't read this whole thread since it is extremely long and it is late here but I have a rather depressing view of what happens when we die. Most people I have told won't believe me and I can't blame them. If you have been brought up your whole life believing that Jesus will save you or Shiva is waiting for you after you blow everyone up in a plane then you wouldn't listen to anything else.

Why should it be that when we die we got to "heaven" while other animals that are so close to us in anatomy don't like the chimpanze or others? And how does one define life? If we are alive because we can are able to interact with our environment and change it according to our will... then wouldn't that make artificial intelligence alive as well? If AI is alive, and we created them, where will they go when they stop working?

They will do the same thing as a computer will do. just shut off and never come back on. The life, aura, qui or electricity that once powered it is no longer there and has been used up. If you say "well a computer is plugged in! you can cut out it's electricity any time!" then what if it was on a battery pack? Our mind and soul is our brain. the only reason a computer can be powered back on after dying and re-gain it's mind, is because it's mother board doesn't decompose.

That is my view on death, no afterlife, no eternal happiness, just nothing. Depressing isn't it?

There is no heaven and certainly no hell. And there is no god, but i think there is some super power in the universe that created everything.

Why no heaven and hell? Because it's ridiculous It's what our mind have created. We think about the life after because the common human quality is CURIOSITY that's why we are discussing this.

And in general, people! don't just think that everything happens on the earth, there are millions of planets. and if we die we just don't exist therefore don't care about anything or a special energy leaves us and enters to live again.

By the way there are many dimensions.

There is no heaven or hell because after you die who's gonna judje ha?
If there is than someone or something has to deside who's going where, get it?

Just remembered... the reason that most cultures believe that there will be a heaven for the good after death and a hell for the bad, is because it is the perfect way to keep a balanced society! Much less people would steal or kill if they thought that there would be an eternal era of suffering for them after death, and heaven encourages people helping eachother. I am not saying that this is a bad thing ofcourse, it is just that the reason that most of us do it however indirectly, stems from heaven and hell. we were tought by our parents not to do bad, who were tought by theirs, way back until the 14th century where the church ruled all.

Of course people still steal and kill, but if they do believe in heaven or hell, they would have to either be crazy, or stupid and only think of the present.

Wong Fei Hung,

what happens if you ancestors weren't taught by the church, for example if they were buddhist. They believe in reincarnation.

I watched an episode of 20/20 recently, it might of been a re-run, but they did this story on a kid who had apparent memories of a past life. Don't remember the details exactly but from the ages of 2 to 5 i think, he would often have the same reoccuring nightmare, where he would be in a plane on fire, and it was crashing, this kid was fascinated by planes.. Can't really be bothered to tell the rest but, maybe we just get reincarnated when we die. And depending on how you've been behaving in your past life, whether you've done a lot of good or bad karma, (which i also think is another buddhist philosophy) you will be rewarded in your next life.

well i think or my friend thinks u will go to heaven r hell well i have no clue.

well i know our brains are super complex so when we die thats gonna be a hell of alot of energy going nowhere, now energy can change into different things yes....like spirits, that would be a different form of energy. i think when you die you either come back alive as someone else or if you have gained understanding of this world and verything in it, and your mind has you will beable to gett he the next plane of existance.......bit like stargate thingy but NOT pls dont say i copied this off a film or programme cos so many people on this site do it already.

I don't know what to think,
But I would like for there to be heaven...