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Moonlight
Recently I've bumped into a real- werewolf story from nineteenth century Spain. thumbsup.gif There is a spanish movie "Romasanta" about the case, and the film review tells the story. It's quite interesting that the man was acquited of his crimes by queen Isabel II, because she was strongly convinced that he commited his crimes as a wolf. Here it goes:
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The film is based on the true-life story of Manuel Blanco Romasanta, a traveling vendor who confessed to the murders of thirteen people: Romasanta, for fun and profit, converted the body fat of his prey into soap. Romasanta was tried in Allariz in 1852 and eluded capital punishment by professing he was a werewolf. "At that time, the Romasanta case divided Gaelic society," recounts Plaza. "While the common villagers never doubted that Romasanta was guilty, the upper-class citizens were almost religiously in favour of the nineteenth century scientific theory, seeing in Romasanta an exotic study that would cross frontiers. Queen Isabel II herself, immersed in the moderate decade of her mandate, intervened in the process, commuting Manuel Blanco Romasanta’s original sentence and converting herself into the last female victim, fooled by this mans’ magnetism". Plaza’s movie is set in 1850: wolves plague the forests of Allariz, possibly prompting the disappearance of the region’s occupants. But along with savage gashes, the human cadavers were inflicted with precise surgical cuts, a contradiction that terrorizes local villagers who, reluctant to admit themselves into the woods, yield to an urban legend that a werewolf is functioning as a surrogate serial killer. "Our intentions are that ROMASANTA is an imaginative approximation to reality," foretells the director. "The Galicia from the XIX century was the perfect setting for the legend of a half-man, half-beast. It was the land Romasanta crossed back and forth, assassinating his innocent victims, stripping them of their body fat, which he later made into luxurious soaps to be sold from his traveling vendor’s stand. We want to reflect the Galicia, from the first half of the 1800s, as a phantasmagoric place, where logic wasn’t always the norm".[...]"This man used popular beliefs, surrounding the figure of the werewolf, in order to [camouflage] his crimes and later the anthropological studies of that time period to justify what he had done, thanks to the fact he was supposedly suffering from lycanthropy. Manuel Blanco Romasanta confessed his crimes using as an excuse a supposed curse that transformed him into a werewolf, and thus proclaimed his innocence based upon these abstract facts." Paco Plaza is obviously fascinated by Romasanta’s psyche: "Who was this man in reality? An uneducated, self-taught man who learned to read and write on his own. A charming man who knew how to gain the confidence of others? A seducer? A psychopathic, manipulating hedonist with a natural born intelligence of a genius? Or merely a mentally-ill con artist?. Most likely, all of the above because Romasanta was a cold-blooded killer, who boasted at his trial of having had over one thousand lovers, although never admitting ‘how much I really hated them!’. His sensuality and power of seduction were the main weapons he used at the trial.
mr_halo
QUOTE(Moonlight @ Jun 19 2005, 12:04 AM)
Recently I've bumped into a real- werewolf story from nineteenth century Spain.  thumbsup.gif There is a spanish movie "Romasanta" about the case, and the film review tells the story.  It's quite interesting that the man was acquited of his crimes by queen Isabel II, because she was strongly convinced that he commited his crimes as a wolf. Here it goes:
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The film is based on the true-life story of Manuel Blanco Romasanta, a traveling vendor who confessed to the murders of thirteen people: Romasanta, for fun and profit, converted the body fat of his prey into soap. Romasanta was tried in Allariz in 1852 and eluded capital punishment by professing he was a werewolf. "At that time, the Romasanta case divided Gaelic society," recounts Plaza. "While the common villagers never doubted that Romasanta was guilty, the upper-class citizens were almost religiously in favour of the nineteenth century scientific theory, seeing in Romasanta an exotic study that would cross frontiers. Queen Isabel II herself, immersed in the moderate decade of her mandate, intervened in the process, commuting Manuel Blanco Romasanta’s original sentence and converting herself into the last female victim, fooled by this mans’ magnetism". Plaza’s movie is set in 1850: wolves plague the forests of Allariz, possibly prompting the disappearance of the region’s occupants. But along with savage gashes, the human cadavers were inflicted with precise surgical cuts, a contradiction that terrorizes local villagers who, reluctant to admit themselves into the woods, yield to an urban legend that a werewolf is functioning as a surrogate serial killer. "Our intentions are that ROMASANTA is an imaginative approximation to reality," foretells the director. "The Galicia from the XIX century was the perfect setting for the legend of a half-man, half-beast. It was the land Romasanta crossed back and forth, assassinating his innocent victims, stripping them of their body fat, which he later made into luxurious soaps to be sold from his traveling vendor’s stand. We want to reflect the Galicia, from the first half of the 1800s, as a phantasmagoric place, where logic wasn’t always the norm".[...]"This man used popular beliefs, surrounding the figure of the werewolf, in order to [camouflage] his crimes and later the anthropological studies of that time period to justify what he had done, thanks to the fact he was supposedly suffering from lycanthropy. Manuel Blanco Romasanta confessed his crimes using as an excuse a supposed curse that transformed him into a werewolf, and thus proclaimed his innocence based upon these abstract facts." Paco Plaza is obviously fascinated by Romasanta’s psyche: "Who was this man in reality? An uneducated, self-taught man who learned to read and write on his own. A charming man who knew how to gain the confidence of others? A seducer? A psychopathic, manipulating hedonist with a natural born intelligence of a genius? Or merely a mentally-ill con artist?. Most likely, all of the above because Romasanta was a cold-blooded killer, who boasted at his trial of having had over one thousand lovers, although never admitting ‘how much I really hated them!’. His sensuality and power of seduction were the main weapons he used at the trial.

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perhaps he used the story of a werewolf in order to justify his actions, or to try and explain why he felt the need to kill, who knows

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Tia
Sounds like he wanted an excuse to save his miserable life. disgust.gif
Fable
Agreed. I would say this is far from a "true" werewolf story. The man wanted nothing more than to help his own story by fabricating and scaring citizens with a tale of lycanthropy. I found it quite interesting though that he enjoyed making soap out of his victims. Now that definitely takes a rare case to do something such as what he did.

He was a smooth talker, obviously.. and he used his charms and blood lust to get the better of himself and others. Regardless of him not being a werewolf, those two skills together make a horribly deadly combination. Quite a cunning man, actually.
jamiehall
In my investigations into the case, I've developed the opinion that the accused werewolf did not kill anyone, nor did he think that he was a werewolf. Why? Because, in order to have committed the murders he was blamed for, he would have had to have the ability to travel farther and faster through rough terrain than was possible. In other words, he had an alibi for most of the killings!
He may have been a criminal, though. He seemed to be running a prostitution scam, from the description of things. Anyway, he was going to be executed, but his sudden claim to be a werewolf created so much controversy that he was not killed. My guess is that he wanted to create that controversy to save his own life. Heck, if it would save my life, I'd claim to be anything, regardless of how ridiculous it seemed.
Xoisk el Soñador
-- FAKE --
isis-999
I think he wanted a way to save his life i do not believe this story is real; although it could be true i do not think it is no.gif
Alexia_Blood
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jun 28 2005, 07:55 PM) [snapback]704566[/snapback]

I think he wanted a way to save his life i do not believe this story is real; although it could be true i do not think it is no.gif

this person just wanted to save his own neck no way it can be true.
Alexia_Blood
[attachmentid=23226]the story of this particular werewolf doesnt follow the usual accounts you get with werewolves. and most werewolves arnt cursed for being the ninth son and all. gunsmilie.gif
psyche101
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jun 29 2005, 11:55 AM) [snapback]704566[/snapback]

I think he wanted a way to save his life i do not believe this story is real; although it could be true i do not think it is no.gif



Hrrmzz, How could this story possibly be true?? Werewolves are pure fiction yes.gif

My mother once told me she saw the soap Joseph Stalin made from human body fat.
She also saw sausages made from Jewish people, the wars had people as attrocious as this and worse.
Vlad Tepes, now glorified by teenagers in need of attention for human slaughter. (If these 'Vampires' ever could meet Vlad Tepes via time machine, I would bet that the fluid oozing from their bodies would be brown, not red)
Manson, Pedro Alonso Lopez, Henry Lee Lucas, Erzebet Bathory (Sicko vamp freak), Martin Bryant, Hitler - geeez, I could go on for pages.
Some people are pretty disturbing aren't they. Pity this sort of psychotic behaviour can't be detected at birth or earlier.
Probably not really the right forum, not animal, myth or legend, just a sicko that beat the system while innocents perished.
It is a shame these embarrasments of humanity get any fame at all.
BigfootForever
i wish there were werewolves, but unfortunately i highly doubt they are real.
psyche101
QUOTE(BigfootForever @ Feb 16 2006, 07:01 AM) [snapback]1062950[/snapback]

i wish there were werewolves, but unfortunately i highly doubt they are real.



Why on earth do you wish that humans could transform into bloodlust creatures and spread the disease, making going out on a night with a full moon perilous ? blink.gif
Keen to have youself dismembered ? wacko.gif Or just keen to slaughter some fellow humans? w00t.gif

I doubt that they are real too. thumbsup.gif
BigfootForever
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Feb 15 2006, 08:52 PM) [snapback]1063413[/snapback]

Why on earth do you wish that humans could transform into bloodlust creatures and spread the disease, making going out on a night with a full moon perilous ? blink.gif
Keen to have youself dismembered ? wacko.gif Or just keen to slaughter some fellow humans? w00t.gif

I doubt that they are real too. thumbsup.gif

how about a little of both thumbsup.gif
Yo!Dev
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Feb 15 2006, 08:52 PM) [snapback]1063413[/snapback]

Why on earth do you wish that humans could transform into bloodlust creatures and spread the disease, making going out on a night with a full moon perilous ? blink.gif
Keen to have youself dismembered ? wacko.gif Or just keen to slaughter some fellow humans? w00t.gif

I doubt that they are real too. thumbsup.gif


What if that idea of what a werewolf is has been blown way out of proportion by the scared/close-minded people of the past?

Assuming that they exist, what if they're not "bloodlust creatures and spread the disease, making going out on a night with a full moon perilous" but more like regular wolves?

For the record, it is my opinion that they are a fabricated creature of myth.

Always remember though... All myths are born of some sort reality!
psyche101
QUOTE(Yo!Dev @ Feb 16 2006, 01:06 PM) [snapback]1063549[/snapback]

What if that idea of what a werewolf is has been blown way out of proportion by the scared/close-minded people of the past?


I would say that it is. Taking this point into account then considering how many people "witnessed" them in the past, there should be some sort of modern record that holds water. Slighty more proof than "I reckon" (not directed at you- generally speaking) would do. There are people with genuine disease likened to the far cry of the legend of the werewolf. Thatl's the extent of a werewolf I'm afraid. Not going into the disease/s - plenty of threads covering that already SO ALL READING please do not post these disease and their side effects again.

QUOTE(Yo!Dev @ Feb 16 2006, 01:06 PM) [snapback]1063549[/snapback]

Assuming that they exist, what if they're not "bloodlust creatures and spread the disease, making going out on a night with a full moon perilous" but more like regular wolves?


Then they really would not fit into the traditional "movie/book role" of Werewolf would they now ? That makes it a different creature to the one I referenced and that has been referenced in this thread. Is there a legend of such a creature? We were not talking "what if's" we were discussing the known legend.

QUOTE(Yo!Dev @ Feb 16 2006, 01:06 PM) [snapback]1063549[/snapback]

For the record, it is my opinion that they are a fabricated creature of myth.


Me to, so what was the point attempting to flame? BigfootForever always has something interesting to say in these forums I see him around the threads a lot, I took his comment to be humour. I seriously doubt he would like to be dismembered. Bigfoot is pretty big, does not need defending....ha.

QUOTE(Yo!Dev @ Feb 16 2006, 01:06 PM) [snapback]1063549[/snapback]

Always remember though... All myths are born of some sort reality!


Of course they are !! Stories have to start somewhere. As long as we keep in perspective what is a story and what is real. Don't stray too far from the truth.

Seen your debates in the other thread, and thought they were well structured. I have had similar arguments with that member too. Actually, we have similar views in many things I have noticed. I think it strange you challenge that post but defend one on mythical creatures. Remember, different opinions is what makes these forums.
Peace.
Dakotabre
I actually have the Romansanta movie on DVD, It's rather a good story line, but as usual movie makers have to make it more gory and throw in warewolf scenes to make the sale and to get people interested- It's hard to decifer fact from fiction with it. Just a crazy psycho killer I think- No warewolf.
Huntress
It's a good movie. it took me a while to understand it but it was good and i beleive it. What the guy sufferd Lycanthropy and made soap out of body fat.
freak of nature
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Feb 16 2006, 02:22 AM) [snapback]1063716[/snapback]
I would say that it is. Taking this point into account then considering how many people "witnessed" them in the past, there should be some sort of modern record that holds water. Slighty more proof than "I reckon" (not directed at you- generally speaking) would do. There are people with genuine disease likened to the far cry of the legend of the werewolf. Thatl's the extent of a werewolf I'm afraid. Not going into the disease/s - plenty of threads covering that already SO ALL READING please do not post these disease and their side effects again.
Then they really would not fit into the traditional "movie/book role" of Werewolf would they now ? That makes it a different creature to the one I referenced and that has been referenced in this thread. Is there a legend of such a creature? We were not talking "what if's" we were discussing the known legend.
Me to, so what was the point attempting to flame? BigfootForever always has something interesting to say in these forums I see him around the threads a lot, I took his comment to be humour. I seriously doubt he would like to be dismembered. Bigfoot is pretty big, does not need defending....ha.
Of course they are !! Stories have to start somewhere. As long as we keep in perspective what is a story and what is real. Don't stray too far from the truth.

Seen your debates in the other thread, and thought they were well structured. I have had similar arguments with that member too. Actually, we have similar views in many things I have noticed. I think it strange you challenge that post but defend one on mythical creatures. Remember, different opinions is what makes these forums.
Peace.




I dont care what anyone says. I believe that he was a werewolf. No one knows what they do or how they act so who says hes false? Science can't explain everything and this is one of those things unexplained.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 2 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]1610047[/snapback]
I dont care what anyone says. I believe that he was a werewolf. No one knows what they do or how they act so who says hes false? Science can't explain everything and this is one of those things unexplained.

Dang it. I believe in the Easter Bunny and no one can tell me any different. Dang that science. It always ruins everything. w00t.gif innocent.gif
psyche101
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 3 2007, 03:34 AM) [snapback]1610047[/snapback]
I dont care what anyone says. I believe that he was a werewolf. No one knows what they do or how they act so who says hes false? Science can't explain everything and this is one of those things unexplained.


Hey, want to delude yourself - go right ahead. Not like I am going to come around and force you to believe. Sheesh, just trying to point out the obvious in a gentle way.

It is not unexplained, it is a story. Stories are fiction. Just like the documents by Hubbard that Scientologists believe. Ever read that stuff?? Geez, talk about out there. Shameless morons like Tom Cruise know the truth, they just try to dupe others into believeing it so they can have voluntary slavery. Many people have been sucked into this rubbish about galactic wars 23 trillion years ago with a warlord named Xenu that looks alot like the depictions of Ghengis Khan. For Petes sake, the Government should be tarred and feathered for being coerced into allowing tax exemption to such a bunch of charlatans.

People still believe that rot even though it was written by a science fiction writer who did pulp on the side!!!! The same person has aslo allegedly said "The only way for a man to become exceedingly rich is for him to invent his own religion". Yet still for millions who want to believe the penny has yet to drop. Sometimes, no matter how nonsensical, if one wants a thing to be real, some people will never accept common sense - no need for science here, common sense should tell you that the fiction of a werewolf is about as valid as a Scientologist Bible. Good stories, it stops there. Only with Werewolves, some of the stories had terrible endings and these low creatures defined as part of the human race got away with horrendus crimes as a result of people like you who "want to believe".

In most cases, the evidence points to a murderer using superstition on uneducated peasants to evade rightful justice.

If there were such a thing as werewolves that do not harm people, just "clever wolves" that peacfully exist, how and why evade the general poulous for so long whilst being a mainstream part of it?

I quote from Southpark (much more believable than Werewolves or politicians)

"This does not make sense. None of this makes any sense"

THINK DAMMIT
kenshinx
D'oh..!!
freak of nature
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Apr 3 2007, 04:31 AM) [snapback]1611051[/snapback]
Hey, want to delude yourself - go right ahead. Not like I am going to come around and force you to believe. Sheesh, just trying to point out the obvious in a gentle way.

It is not unexplained, it is a story. Stories are fiction. Just like the documents by Hubbard that Scientologists believe. Ever read that stuff?? Geez, talk about out there. Shameless morons like Tom Cruise know the truth, they just try to dupe others into believeing it so they can have voluntary slavery. Many people have been sucked into this rubbish about galactic wars 23 trillion years ago with a warlord named Xenu that looks alot like the depictions of Ghengis Khan. For Petes sake, the Government should be tarred and feathered for being coerced into allowing tax exemption to such a bunch of charlatans.

People still believe that rot even though it was written by a science fiction writer who did pulp on the side!!!! The same person has aslo allegedly said "The only way for a man to become exceedingly rich is for him to invent his own religion". Yet still for millions who want to believe the penny has yet to drop. Sometimes, no matter how nonsensical, if one wants a thing to be real, some people will never accept common sense - no need for science here, common sense should tell you that the fiction of a werewolf is about as valid as a Scientologist Bible. Good stories, it stops there. Only with Werewolves, some of the stories had terrible endings and these low creatures defined as part of the human race got away with horrendus crimes as a result of people like you who "want to believe".

In most cases, the evidence points to a murderer using superstition on uneducated peasants to evade rightful justice.

If there were such a thing as werewolves that do not harm people, just "clever wolves" that peacfully exist, how and why evade the general poulous for so long whilst being a mainstream part of it?

I quote from Southpark (much more believable than Werewolves or politicians)

"This does not make sense. None of this makes any sense"

THINK DAMMIT





just because its a story does not mean it isnt real. I have a very good sence of judgement and i think this is real. Just look at the evedince. Noone can prove that there was not a real "Werewolf of Allariz"
~Onyx~
With all due respect exactly which evidence are you refering to? The evidence in the MOVIE, or the evidence given in the recounting of a murder case from the 1800's?
psyche101
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 4 2007, 03:20 AM) [snapback]1611549[/snapback]
just because its a story does not mean it isnt real. I have a very good sence of judgement and i think this is real. Just look at the evedince. Noone can prove that there was not a real "Werewolf of Allariz"



Yes it does in fact - here you go

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That's because the story is built upon the real-life story of Europe's first serial killer, traveling salesman Manuel Blanco Romasanta, the "Werewolf of Allariz," who confessed to killing 13 people and using their body fat to make soap. Strangely enough, his confession that he suffered from the curse of lycanthropy helped him avoid execution and may well have resulted in a regal pardon had he not died soon after his conviction.


What more do you need. He was a serial killer, not a wolf. He duped people into freeing him on superstition. Looks like he is still duping people.

I look forward to you producing this compelling evidence you speak of so that I might apologise to you.

You might want to callibrate that "sense of judgement"
freak of nature
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Apr 3 2007, 10:44 PM) [snapback]1612289[/snapback]
Yes it does in fact - here you go
What more do you need. He was a serial killer, not a wolf. He duped people into freeing him on superstition. Looks like he is still duping people.

I look forward to you producing this compelling evidence you speak of so that I might apologise to you.

You might want to callibrate that "sense of judgement"



"his confession that he suffered from the curse of lycanthropy" thats not enough evidence for you? they couldnt prove he was lieing
~Onyx~
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 5 2007, 01:24 PM) [snapback]1614643[/snapback]
"his confession that he suffered from the curse of lycanthropy" thats not enough evidence for you? they couldnt prove he was lieing


And if you couple THAT evidence with the docmented evidence of him actually TURNING into a Werewo.... dontgetit.gif ...uh, nevermind rolleyes.gif. Look, Lycanthrophy be damned, if the courts in 1692 were ignorant enough to believe that witchcraft was rampamt in Salem...enough to put 19 men and women to death and allow another 80 year-old man to be stoned to death on the suspicion of withcraft....then why wasn't this "poor" slob hung for being a "werewolf"? beacuse people in high places were fascinated by him and his story....much like the story of Elizabeth Bathory(she drank and bathed in blood...must've been a Vampire!!!)...and in turn spared his life as a "novelty", no more, no less.
capoeiranger
In most of the cases I study, people that actually claims themselves to be either crazy, or being a werewolf after any criminal act, is actually very aware of what they did. That's why there's LAWYERS...to kill those LIARS !!!
freak of nature
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Apr 5 2007, 01:39 PM) [snapback]1614659[/snapback]
And if you couple THAT evidence with the docmented evidence of him actually TURNING into a Werewo.... dontgetit.gif ...uh, nevermind rolleyes.gif. Look, Lycanthrophy be damned, if the courts in 1692 were ignorant enough to believe that witchcraft was rampamt in Salem...enough to put 19 men and women to death and allow another 80 year-old man to be stoned to death on the suspicion of withcraft....then why wasn't this "poor" slob hung for being a "werewolf"? beacuse people in high places were fascinated by him and his story....much like the story of Elizabeth Bathory(she drank and bathed in blood...must've been a Vampire!!!)...and in turn spared his life as a "novelty", no more, no less.


did you know bram stoker based his book Dracula on a count Dracule who actually feed on th eblood of his victums? whos to say romasanta wasnt the same?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 11 2007, 12:14 PM) [snapback]1623838[/snapback]
did you know bram stoker based his book Dracula on a count Dracule who actually feed on th eblood of his victums? whos to say romasanta wasnt the same?

He supposedly dipped his bread in blood of his impaled vicitms. He did this to inspire terror not because he was a vampire. no.gif Read your history a little better.
freak of nature
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Apr 11 2007, 01:19 PM) [snapback]1623842[/snapback]
He supposedly dipped his bread in blood of his impaled vicitms. He did this to inspire terror not because he was a vampire. no.gif Read your history a little better.


i dont ever say anything unless i know what im talking about. ive looked into the matter so often i dont think theres anything i dont know about him
distortedpandy
I'm sorry, I lol'd.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 11 2007, 12:28 PM) [snapback]1623852[/snapback]
i dont ever say anything unless i know what im talking about. ive looked into the matter so often i dont think theres anything i dont know about him

Then reread. I did several papers on him in college. He used these scare tactics so invaders would not take over.
psyche101
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 6 2007, 03:24 AM) [snapback]1614643[/snapback]
"his confession that he suffered from the curse of lycanthropy" thats not enough evidence for you? they couldnt prove he was lieing


ROFL ROFL, yeah you read the bits you want to read, try again pal

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Strangely enough, his confession that he suffered from the curse of lycanthropy helped him avoid execution and may well have resulted in a regal pardon had he not died soon after his conviction.


Notice the words "strangely enough" and "helped him avoid execution".

By the way, how is it he is dead??? Don't Wolfmen keep coming back - the supernatural and all? Don't remember reading he was killed by silver or anything of the like. Or killed at all. Just dead like any other man.

Gee, not like a convicted crimnal on death charges would to try and lie his way out right? It's just not moral is it now!

What about the bit about murdereing 13 people and making soap from their body fat????? I guess he needed it to clean up after the carnage LOL.

How can you still be taken in by this story after all these years????

Bit more info for you, count Dracule:- you might want to look up Vlad Drăculea (Tepes, the third). Nothing you don't know about him huh, how about his name. Listen to the Raven. He speaks the truth. Not to mention common sense.

Not only did he dip his bread in blood in front of captives to promote fear amongst his opposition, he also placed the heads of his defeated enemies on sikes along his driveway. Now that's going to give any visitor the heebejeebees. The poor guy was traded by his father to the Ottoman Empire by threat of invasion, that's gotta twist one at least a little. He hated his father for betraying "The Order of the Dragon" and not taking the armies on.
Heck, his real life is every bit as interesting as the fictional one. I'd strongly suggest a good re-read.

From Wikipedia

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His Romanian surname Drăculea (transliterated as "Dracula" in foreign languages of the historical documents where his name is mentioned) is a diminutive derived from his father's title Dracul and means "Son of the Dragon"

His post-mortem moniker of Ţepeş (Impaler) originated in his preferred method for executing his opponents, impalement - as popularized by medieval Transylvanian pamphlets. In Turkish, he was known as "Kazıklı Bey" IPA: [kɑzɨkˈɫɨ] which means "Impaler Prince". Vlad was referred to as Dracula in a number of documents of his times, mainly the Transylvanian Saxon pamphlets and The Annals of Jan Długosz.

Outside Wallachia he was known by the exaggerated tales of atrocities (many of which stem from records of debatable authenticity). Though Irish author Bram Stoker uses Vlad's name and locations in Transylvania and Wallachia in his 1897 novel Dracula, there is no documented proof that the historical figure is directly related to the literary character.


Did ya know all that? Should clear a bit up for you. Look, there are many exciting mysteries we genuinely cannot explain, and they are more than satisfying to investigate, lets leave the story book ones aside untill we sort out some real mysteries huh? Werewolfdom is a great read, it shows the imagination of man, and we should be proud of that. It defines us as the most accomplished species on the planet. Taking it from fantasy to reality is just a little silly, don't ya think? Use your powers for good Luke. BTW, Vampires are fantasy too. Hope you are onto that one.

Grrrr.
freak of nature
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Apr 11 2007, 10:41 PM) [snapback]1624728[/snapback]
ROFL ROFL, yeah you read the bits you want to read, try again pal
Notice the words "strangely enough" and "helped him avoid execution".

By the way, how is it he is dead??? Don't Wolfmen keep coming back - the supernatural and all? Don't remember reading he was killed by silver or anything of the like. Or killed at all. Just dead like any other man.

Gee, not like a convicted crimnal on death charges would to try and lie his way out right? It's just not moral is it now!

What about the bit about murdereing 13 people and making soap from their body fat????? I guess he needed it to clean up after the carnage LOL.

How can you still be taken in by this story after all these years????

Bit more info for you, count Dracule:- you might want to look up Vlad Drăculea (Tepes, the third). Nothing you don't know about him huh, how about his name. Listen to the Raven. He speaks the truth. Not to mention common sense.

Not only did he dip his bread in blood in front of captives to promote fear amongst his opposition, he also placed the heads of his defeated enemies on sikes along his driveway. Now that's going to give any visitor the heebejeebees. The poor guy was traded by his father to the Ottoman Empire by threat of invasion, that's gotta twist one at least a little. He hated his father for betraying "The Order of the Dragon" and not taking the armies on.
Heck, his real life is every bit as interesting as the fictional one. I'd strongly suggest a good re-read.

From Wikipedia
Did ya know all that? Should clear a bit up for you. Look, there are many exciting mysteries we genuinely cannot explain, and they are more than satisfying to investigate, lets leave the story book ones aside untill we sort out some real mysteries huh? Werewolfdom is a great read, it shows the imagination of man, and we should be proud of that. It defines us as the most accomplished species on the planet. Taking it from fantasy to reality is just a little silly, don't ya think? Use your powers for good Luke. BTW, Vampires are fantasy too. Hope you are onto that one.

Grrrr.



does that maen you would rather believe in bigfoot or Nessie? what would you say to the fact that Frankenstein existed. Or is Dr. Frankenstein a fony too? And what about Dr.Jaykle and Mr. Hyde? Or Van Helsing? The authors look for people in their time period or rumors from history and turn them in to something more realistic for the audience. Why would they do something like that if there wasnt some meaning behind it? Every author has a legend (s)he wants you yo believe in, weither its a belief or a rumor.
angrycrustacean
^Oh lord.

Click.
distortedpandy
Once again, I've come to this thread and actually lol'd. Thank you.

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ac, priceless. laugh.gif
Tommy K
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 12 2007, 06:21 PM) [snapback]1625488[/snapback]
does that maen you would rather believe in bigfoot or Nessie? what would you say to the fact that Frankenstein existed. Or is Dr. Frankenstein a fony too? And what about Dr.Jaykle and Mr. Hyde? Or Van Helsing? The authors look for people in their time period or rumors from history and turn them in to something more realistic for the audience. Why would they do something like that if there wasnt some meaning behind it? Every author has a legend (s)he wants you yo believe in, weither its a belief or a rumor.


Uh hmm. This guy is right. I know for a fact that there is a little Larry Patter running round at Hogfarts school casting spells - its all based in fact. No author just makes up their characters from their imagination.
psyche101
QUOTE(Tommy K @ Apr 13 2007, 03:45 AM) [snapback]1625513[/snapback]
Uh hmm. This guy is right. I know for a fact that there is a little Larry Patter running round at Hogfarts school casting spells - its all based in fact. No author just makes up their characters from their imagination.



ROFL ROFL, my turn to LOL

Thank you Thank you. Ahhh, common sense at last, it's like a breath of fresh air sin't it.

For our buddy, freak of nature

leg·end(ljnd)
n.
1.
a. An unverified story handed down from earlier times, especially one popularly believed to be historical.
b. A body or collection of such stories.
c. A romanticized or popularized myth of modern times.
2. One that inspires legends or achieves legendary fame.
3.
a. An inscription or a title on an object, such as a coin.
b. An explanatory caption accompanying an illustration.
c. An explanatory table or list of the symbols appearing on a map or chart.

Heck, you said it yourself and I quote

QUOTE
The authors look for people in their time period or rumors from history and turn them in to something more realistic for the audience


Sometmes great stories came from real sources. Not to say they were not embellished somewhat. A Werewolf, Vampire?? Come on, think about it........
freak of nature
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Apr 12 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]1626188[/snapback]
ROFL ROFL, my turn to LOL

Thank you Thank you. Ahhh, common sense at last, it's like a breath of fresh air sin't it.

For our buddy, freak of nature

leg·end(ljnd)
n.
1.
a. An unverified story handed down from earlier times, especially one popularly believed to be historical.
b. A body or collection of such stories.
c. A romanticized or popularized myth of modern times.
2. One that inspires legends or achieves legendary fame.
3.
a. An inscription or a title on an object, such as a coin.
b. An explanatory caption accompanying an illustration.
c. An explanatory table or list of the symbols appearing on a map or chart.

Heck, you said it yourself and I quote



Sometmes great stories came from real sources. Not to say they were not embellished somewhat. A Werewolf, Vampire?? Come on, think about it........


you know i have and i have my reason for believing what i do
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 12 2007, 12:21 PM) [snapback]1625488[/snapback]
does that maen you would rather believe in bigfoot or Nessie? what would you say to the fact that Frankenstein existed. Or is Dr. Frankenstein a fony too? And what about Dr.Jaykle and Mr. Hyde? Or Van Helsing? The authors look for people in their time period or rumors from history and turn them in to something more realistic for the audience. Why would they do something like that if there wasnt some meaning behind it? Every author has a legend (s)he wants you yo believe in, weither its a belief or a rumor.

Its called fiction silly girl. People like to read and write fiction.


Punctuation is fun.
psyche101
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 14 2007, 11:20 AM) [snapback]1627948[/snapback]
you know i have and i have my reason for believing what i do


Please forgive my ignorance. I have no idea what you are on about here, could you expand please.


I know you have...............

and

Your reason is..................

How this realated to my post.........................

Please feel free to offer up any proof.
distortedpandy
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 13 2007, 09:20 PM) [snapback]1627948[/snapback]
you know i have and i have my reason for believing what i do


I'm dying to know.
freak of nature
QUOTE(distortedpandy @ Apr 16 2007, 12:51 PM) [snapback]1631658[/snapback]
I'm dying to know.


what do you believe in? everyone has something they believe in wether they tell you or not. I believe there is something more than what people actually know. There have been accounts all through history of things the government has keep hidden. What if this is just another thing they make false so people dont believe it.
distortedpandy
I'm skeptical about almost everything.

I like how you avoided psyche's post. mellow.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 16 2007, 11:11 AM) [snapback]1631690[/snapback]
what do you believe in? everyone has something they believe in wether they tell you or not. I believe there is something more than what people actually know. There have been accounts all through history of things the government has keep hidden. What if this is just another thing they make false so people dont believe it.

A person can find accounts of anything. Doesn't mean it is real.
psyche101
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 17 2007, 03:11 AM) [snapback]1631690[/snapback]
what do you believe in? everyone has something they believe in wether they tell you or not. I believe there is something more than what people actually know. There have been accounts all through history of things the government has keep hidden. What if this is just another thing they make false so people dont believe it.


In short, I guess my beliefs reside in your nemesis - truth.
Science is what I believe in. Sure, It cannot explain everything in existance YET.
It shows you exactly how conclusions are drawn, why things happen the way they do, and all in baby steps if one likes so that anybody can grasp the concept of whatever they wish to learn about. Got an opinion? Voice it, the scientific communty is only too happy to answer any question. In fact, such information is readilly available to anyone with the gumption to look at it and actually read it. Just because it is somewhat beyond you does not make it incorrect. For difficult stuff, ask in here, UM has many astute members who can help you.

These accounts throughout history you speak of - if the Government keeps them hidden, how is it you are aware of these secrets? Can you shed some proof on this claim? Somehow I doubt it very much. Some conspiracies do need to happen for the sake of national security, that is, keeping you little butt safe as well as their own from crazies who would take over the country to "give you a better life". Ever kept a secret? Well the government has as much right to do so as you do.

Heck, do you realise what you said - and I quote -
"What if"
Sheesh. "What if" you uncover a conspiracy that was supposed to keep the country safe and get everyone killed in the meantime with your investigations
"what if" your belief in these creatures propgates more senseless killings
"what if".
Science does it's absolute best to make sure you know where they are coming from. To discount it is just ridicuous and makes no sense at all. To deny such hard fact is purely an act of insolence and displaying a selfish ego. i.e insisting your beliefs should take precedence over fact.

Every Werewolf ever caught and placed in captivity has turnd out to be fake. Not a single turning outside a story book. Every single account has been from a paniced witness at night and a return visit yields no proof at all. That telling you anything? I posted a spell to change one into such a fantasy creature. I don't see the boards loaded with evidence, nor an outbreak of unexplained animal attacks.

Why on earth do y think the Government would keep the existance of such a creature secret??? More scary than suicide bombers? More scary than the atomic bomb? More scary than shopping the week before Christmas? I don't think so. Put the whole idea into perspective and then you can see that belief in Werewolves is as sensible as belief in the Smurfs. It's a story for Pete's sake.

I would really appreciate it if you could clear up your last post with a response to my questions. If you are game, I am prepared to discuss this sensibly with you. Just no more "what if's" and no "maybe's" and "I reckons" please. Fact wil do nicely hey original.gif
freak of nature
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Apr 16 2007, 08:46 PM) [snapback]1632418[/snapback]
In short, I guess my beliefs reside in your nemesis - truth.
Science is what I believe in. Sure, It cannot explain everything in existance YET.
It shows you exactly how conclusions are drawn, why things happen the way they do, and all in baby steps if one likes so that anybody can grasp the concept of whatever they wish to learn about. Got an opinion? Voice it, the scientific communty is only too happy to answer any question. In fact, such information is readilly available to anyone with the gumption to look at it and actually read it. Just because it is somewhat beyond you does not make it incorrect. For difficult stuff, ask in here, UM has many astute members who can help you.

These accounts throughout history you speak of - if the Government keeps them hidden, how is it you are aware of these secrets? Can you shed some proof on this claim? Somehow I doubt it very much. Some conspiracies do need to happen for the sake of national security, that is, keeping you little butt safe as well as their own from crazies who would take over the country to "give you a better life". Ever kept a secret? Well the government has as much right to do so as you do.

Heck, do you realise what you said - and I quote -
"What if"
Sheesh. "What if" you uncover a conspiracy that was supposed to keep the country safe and get everyone killed in the meantime with your investigations
"what if" your belief in these creatures propgates more senseless killings
"what if".
Science does it's absolute best to make sure you know where they are coming from. To discount it is just ridicuous and makes no sense at all. To deny such hard fact is purely an act of insolence and displaying a selfish ego. i.e insisting your beliefs should take precedence over fact.

Every Werewolf ever caught and placed in captivity has turnd out to be fake. Not a single turning outside a story book. Every single account has been from a paniced witness at night and a return visit yields no proof at all. That telling you anything? I posted a spell to change one into such a fantasy creature. I don't see the boards loaded with evidence, nor an outbreak of unexplained animal attacks.

Why on earth do y think the Government would keep the existance of such a creature secret??? More scary than suicide bombers? More scary than the atomic bomb? More scary than shopping the week before Christmas? I don't think so. Put the whole idea into perspective and then you can see that belief in Werewolves is as sensible as belief in the Smurfs. It's a story for Pete's sake.

I would really appreciate it if you could clear up your last post with a response to my questions. If you are game, I am prepared to discuss this sensibly with you. Just no more "what if's" and no "maybe's" and "I reckons" please. Fact wil do nicely hey original.gif



to star, the government doesnt go aroun parading about Area 51 do they? they keep things like this a secret so they dont cause a panic. just because you dont here about it here doesnt mean they dont exist. they are more of a thing from the past. do you get mail from other countries? there is no proof that there hasn't been an epidemic. and as tto weither or not they government has the right to keep secrets- by all means they do. that just makes the subject harder to prove. information does leak through the governments dirty fingers how do you know thats not how people started talking in the first place. thiss is a stupid argument and there is evidence both ways.
psyche101
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 20 2007, 03:29 AM) [snapback]1637143[/snapback]
to star, the government doesnt go aroun parading about Area 51 do they? they keep things like this a secret so they dont cause a panic. just because you dont here about it here doesnt mean they dont exist. they are more of a thing from the past. do you get mail from other countries? there is no proof that there hasn't been an epidemic. and as tto weither or not they government has the right to keep secrets- by all means they do. that just makes the subject harder to prove. information does leak through the governments dirty fingers how do you know thats not how people started talking in the first place. thiss is a stupid argument and there is evidence both ways.



Of course they don't parade Area 51. It's where they test Spy Aircraft. Sheesh. What do you reackon, hey everyone, I'vre developed this new plane, come have a look!!!

Mail from other countries?? What hass that got to do with this???

Dirty fingers?? Another authority hater hay, well, I doubt I will be able to share my view with yourself. How unfortunate.

There is no evidence both ways, shoud you have any at all, post away original.gif
WerewolfLadyOfDarkness
QUOTE(BigfootForever @ Feb 16 2006, 07:01 AM) [snapback]1062950[/snapback]
i wish there were werewolves, but unfortunately i highly doubt they are real.


Be careful wot u wish for... And ur doubts would offend my kind, were it not for the fact that these days, so many doubt what they see, or hear, or believe to be true. It's a shame rreally, we Werewolves aren't that bad, really. Once we learn to control it. Also, I'm aware that most of u will think I'm talking crap, but that's because humans these days will only ever believe wot the see themselves or in pictures. Do u really think that just because u haven't seen one it means that my kind don't exist? Sure, we give u no proof of our existance, so that we don't get hunted down, and all, but tell me, is there really any proof that we don't exist? No. Just because we don't show ourselves to the skeptics to proove our exisance, doesn't mean we don't exist, and if we didn't, then I must be a very smart computer that knows how to type without anyone even turnin gme on and presing the keys! lol. and we r not all bloodthirsty, sum r, sum aren't. Sum Werewolfs go bad, others, that don't are normally the ones that don;'t get heard about, cos they con keep it a secret easier than if they go round and kill people. I think those Lycans that do that, r usually power hungry as humans, and/or just get carried away by the thoguht of being able to kill things and get away with it. And in saying this, have u ever noticed how most things publicised on the news, radio, etc is usually all the bad stuff that happens in the world? Not all of it, but most. It's the same with Werewolves, only the bad ones ever seem to get found out, and therefore are the ones that get all the publicity. Most of us just prefere to stay out of the way. And we don't just randomly bite people for no reason, as most learn to control it eventually, if they try hard enough, really it's not that hard. It may alos be possable that this story is true, however, I do have to dissagree with the steriotypical view of Werewolves as being mindless, bloodthirsty killing machines that have no heart, nor feelings whotsoever. I will have everyone know that we Werewolves do in fact feel and react as do normal humans, even in our Lycan forms, we r really not that much different from normal wolves, except in apearance, also, the reason there r not so many Werewolf sightings now, is because as I said, most learn to control it, and therefore they don't bite people, so over time, the Werewolf population has marginally gone down. Oh, I'm not saying there rnt those who misuse the power of transformation that comes with being a Werewolf, but I'm not saying that everyone does it either. I don't. And most days I can just blen in and live as a normal human, like any of u can. Most Werewolves these days can take precautions that they couldn't take in older times. Like chaining themselves in the basement if they can't control it. I had to for a time. It's not really that hard to avoid being seen/captured if u try. And people these days r more aware of things such as ropes, and chains, and garages, if they need them. Sum probably just curl up in bed or on a chair at night on a Full Moon instead of roaming around the countryside getting seen. It's simple really; If u don't want to get seen, stay where u can't be.
WerewolfLadyOfDarkness
QUOTE(freak of nature @ Apr 20 2007, 03:29 AM) [snapback]1637143[/snapback]
to star, the government doesnt go aroun parading about Area 51 do they? they keep things like this a secret so they dont cause a panic. just because you dont here about it here doesnt mean they dont exist. they are more of a thing from the past. do you get mail from other countries? there is no proof that there hasn't been an epidemic. and as tto weither or not they government has the right to keep secrets- by all means they do. that just makes the subject harder to prove. information does leak through the governments dirty fingers how do you know thats not how people started talking in the first place. thiss is a stupid argument and there is evidence both ways.


It is deffinately agred that we don't go parading around the countryside revealing wot we are. I we did that, we'd be killed! (As stated in reply to BigfootForever) We Lycans don't transform in public places, or come out in the open where we can be seen, because we know if we did that we would get hunted, killed or probably lynched. Especially with all our bad publicity! Not all Werewolves r bad! (As explained in reply to BigfootForever) I mena, would you go out and transform in public? Would anyone? No. I didn't think so. It's called; "Preserving our species" Or the ones that r left, anyway, I'v actually had sum friends of mine ask me to bite them. I was rather reluctant at first, but as they seemed adamant, and had done all the proper research and preperation before hand. (Something alot of us didn't have wen were bitten. And also, no, we don't like to cause a panic by revealing ourselves too much, as stated above, and in my reply to BigfootForever we would be hunted down and killed, seen as a threat to society. Which most of us, are not!
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