Its nothing more than a crowded shipping lane with violent storms...

Realities of life? Why, you do not think someone does not live until they graduate?

NO maybe you should read it proberly not until THEY HAVE EXSPERIENCED life Frogfish
Its nothing more than a crowded shipping lane with violent storms...?! then why don't the scientists say that?!

They do!

Well then, I have experienced life...I am currently living it.

because they whack like that.

The marine insurer Lloyd's of London has determined the "triangle" to be no more dangerous than any other area of ocean, and does not charge unusual rates for passage through the region. Coast Guard records confirm their conclusion.

The number of ships and airplanes reported missing in the area was not significantly greater, proportionally speaking, than any other part of the ocean.

In an area frequented by tropical storms, the number of disappearances that did occur was neither disproportionate, unlikely, nor mysterious.

The numbers themselves had been exaggerated by sloppy research. A boat listed as missing would be reported, but not necessarily its eventual, if belated, return to port.

The circumstances of confirmed disappearances were frequently misreported. The numbers of ships disappearing in supposedly calm weather, for instance, did not tally with weather reports published at the time...

Bermuda Triangle

I mean exsperiencing more than just waking up everyday going to school and hanging with friends with age comes wisdom those that are older than you know more than you do AND no they havn't they only have come up with a bunch of theories

Actually, scientists can explain what's happening there: nothing.

The Bermuda triangle was thoughroughly debunked in the 1970's. Most of the stories floating around about the triangle are blatantly false. Many supposed disappearances didn't occur in the triangle at all. Many ships were lost to storms (which, as Frogfish pointed out, are quite common in that area). Some ships said to have been lost in the triangle were later found.

In short, there is no mystery as far as I can see. Many ships disappear in that region because it sees a great deal of traffic. The US Coast Guard reports over 8,000 distress calls per year (NOT disappearances or mysterious happenings, mind you, just ordinary distress calls) from the triangle. The most common cause? Inexperienced sailors not carrying enough fuel.

Given the triangle's size, the amount of traffic it recieves, and the frequency of strong storms in the area, it is no wonder that ships dissappear by the dozens, even hundreds. As for the question of wreckage, it is not so unusual that none should be found. A strong wave can cause a ship to go under in literally seconds, utterly without a trace.

The only real mystery here, in my opinion, is how the story remains in circulation after having been discredited decades ago.

-Pilgrim

BUT can you explain why there are alot of planes that go missing also the strange distress calls given by the pilots on what they were seeing?

Pilgrim and Pax just explained it also


I know...You even acknowledged me in another thread about me taking AP classes as a Freshman



Not nessecarily...I know more than most people about medicine..Both my parents are doctors.


Storms

I know some Medicine and Human development that's in my Bachelor

how can you be a freshman when your still in high school (i'm not from america so its a different schooling system here)

Anyone here heard the story about that huge ship that went through the triangle and all the crew members just disappeared. They found the ship , which was in good shape, but all the crew members vanished without a trace. No one knows what happened to them, or where they went, since their bodies were never found. If I remember correctly, I think there where over a hundred people on board the ship on that day.

Here, a freshman is 9th grade (Highschool is 9-12) and 1st year college.
So I'm 15

I'm not saying you don't know medicine, but i am saying I know more medicine than most people here.

First of all Frogman... I am 29 years old, and you have the balls to say you know more than I do? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! PLEEEEEEASE, do not make a fool of yourself and make anymore comments before a Moderator solves this real quick. Im not even going to stoop myself to your level because it isnt worth my time to deal with adolescent BS.

Damn kids...

i know and understand i learned Psychology and Philosophy from my mother yes you properly know a wee bit more Medicine than anyone else here (unless they are a fully qualified doctor themselves ) but don't go around claiming you know more in general than we do

Forgive my skepticism, but I know for a fact that radio transmissions attributed to the Flight 19 disappearance involving pilots reporting strange phenomina were, in fact, entirely made up by a triangle researcher. Thus, I will need you to provide specific examples. To my knowledge, these distress call reports are all myths, but I will be glad to hear any examples you might have.

On the face of it, I would say that missing planes are lost due to the same phenomina that swallows ships - frequent storms and pilot error.

-Pilgrim

frogfish may be young, but he's really quite brilliant. age has little to do with intellect, or even wisdom. if i never heard frogfish's age, i would've guessed he was doing his upper division college coursework by now. brains and wisdom come from a thirst for knowledge and an active interest in your own education, not the passing of years.

that said, a little about the topic at hand:
the bermuda triangle is a busy place, and ships disappear there with no greater frequency than any other busy shipping area. when anybody misreads an altimeter or compass over the bermuda triangle, they blame the place with the reputation instead of something reasonable. i don't know much about the ship where all the people disappeared, but there are countless possibilities. were the lifeboats missing? could it have rolled under a wave, drowning everyone? were there pirates in the area? there are so many valid logical explanations that need discounted before the supernatural can be brought into the discussion.

Think what Bigfoot would say if he saw you all arguing like this.

The arguement started when Frogman was rude to Kahrie saying she was ignorant, when both her and I are older than he is and therefore have much more intelligence and experience giving opinions on facts rather than opinions. when he goes off saying he knows more than anyone on subjects isn't right, it's like adding an insult to injury that was already put in the conversation by him by stating she was ignorant. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on UM, heck that's what UM is for mainly. I just won't sit here and watch this girl get verbally attacked by this 16 year old who thinks he knows it all and on top of it calling her ignorant when Frogman and Kahrie are both entitled to say whatever they want about a topic. You just don't go around acting like Mr. bigshot and calling people names for no reason.

A moderator is watching this closely so I suggest the bickering end quickly before they step in and act like civilized adults, even though Frogman is only 16 but you should still act civilized despite your age.

I think I make my point clear...

Matt

While there is nothing wrong with not knowing something (i.e. ignorance), but being willing to learn, one should be a little more careful when using the word, as it can quite easily (and in this case, with some justification) be considered an insult.

Calling someone ignorant should never be an insult.

then how do all the people just mysteriously vanish? and the ships keep sailing on in good shape

Again, many of these reports are simply false, or have been misreported or exagerated. Piracy is common in the Caribean, even in modern times, and some such events are no doubt due to pirates. However, if you have specific examples, I am sure we can discover the truth behind them.

-Pilgrim

god damned, couldn't someone just take a camera and fly over the bermuda triangle ?

who knows what a camera can capture.

They frequently do. They photograph some odd things sometimes (glowing water, for example) but largely just water.

Now, the idea that the area is some kind of lethal no-go area is just silly, as is the idea that there is nothing noteworthy in the area. The so-called 'debunking' in the 70s was mostly done in a book as guilty of spin and misrepresentation as the books it was supposed to counter. There are unusual- but not unique- magnetic anomalies in the area and pilots and ships' crews have reported some very odd events, as have various ATCs, both civilian and military. To blow it out of proportion like some campfire ghost story is as bad as stubbornly refusing to admit that the total disappearance of large freighters and aircraft equipped with modern emergency locator equipment is at least a little odd.

Pilgrim is correct, shipping lanes continue to be open and cruise ships frequecnt the triangle every day...It is no more than an open patch of water...



Like I have said in Many other threads, age does not reflect intelligence. I know many kids smarter than most adults. And my point earlier still stands...Kahrie said there were no shipping lanes in the triangle and I called her ignorant.

Well, that's just it...it isn't all that odd. Boats and aircraft sink into the ocean on a irregular basis. The ocean is a big place. It hides a lot of evidence. There just isn't anything remarkable about this area at all.

Forget TV, books, etc, etc. If you want to know if things are going missing, you talk to the people who have to pay for the things that go missing. A review of insurance claims for ships and boats will reveal not greater losses in this area than any other.



No ones arguing against that. It's just that you were blunt enough to be considered rude.

That would be uber awesome if I flew through it and met Amelia Earheart!!

look what has been said has been said o.k Frogfish is entitles to his opinion of me as much as i of him don't worry i was ignorant in that fact i'll admit but my only excuse (if you can call it one ) is that i'm not from America therefore don't know much about the surrounding area

Don't feel too bad. There's people that live right off the coast that should at least know about the area ten miles to the east of them, yet do not.

When all is said and done, the Bermuda Triangle region has several hundred ships and aircraft passing through it on a daily basis. It is the most heavily traveled route near the contigous U.S. There are over a dozen Air Force and Navy bases who use this region for their games and tests, and the Atlantic fleet regularly runs patrols backwards and forwards here. Considering the amount of traffic in this region, the accident rate should actually be a little higher, statistically speaking, but due to the heavy monitoring by both the military and the civilian air and sea groups, there are actually less accidents and disappearances than would be expected.

If one wishes for a mysterious region, on needs to look at the Great Lakes region up north. On average, it has more mysterious sightings, more disappearance, and more unexplained events, than the Bermuda Triangle does.

Interesting thanks for that what are your thoughts on the devil's triangle just off china? does that have heavy amounts of traffic in it?

I blame a combination of severe weather and poor monitoring. And alcohol. Lots and lots of alcohol.

(For the record, I have lived in rural Michigan since I was very young.)

-Pilgrim

yes but you have to admit there are some strange things going on there?!

as far as glowing water goes, it is both natural and occurs in a variety of places due to phosphorecent bacteria.
glowing water
failure of tracking equipment can happen in a few ways: water or water pressure can break it, it could simply be defective, or it could be missing from the craft entirely.

It does have heavy amounts, though nowhere near as much as the Bermuda Triangle region. The big difference is that that area isn't anywhere near as heavily monitored, nor are the crafts that go through it on a regular basis as highly maintained as the passenger crafts that primarily navigate the BT.



Not really. As a former Naval Aviation Officer, I am fully aware of how often equiptment malfunctions occur. Flting isn't the smooth easy thing that flight simulators show, nor is sailing nothing more than a ship on a surface. It is very easy to loose track of what is going on around you, particularly if you think you have more experience than you actually do.

and glowing ships are easily explained...

St. Elmo's Fire is an electro-luminescent corona discharge caused by the ionization of the air during thunderstorms inside of a strong electric field.

Physically, St. Elmo's Fire is a bright blue-white glow, appearing like fire in some circumstances, often in double or triple jets, from tall, sharply-pointed structures such as masts, spires and chimneys, and on aircraft wings.

Charles Darwin noted the effect while aboard the Beagle and wrote of the episode in a letter to J.S. Henslow that one night when the Beagle was anchored in the estuary of the Rio Plata: "Everything was in flames, the sky with lightning, the water with luminous particles, and even the very masts were pointed with a blue flame."

St. Elmo's fire

The Michigan triangle is no more mysterious than all the ohters...we have violent storms here all the time. Many small recreational fisherman

EDIT:How rude!

exactlly.

you just said the same thing back to him! you are so mean!

I will get sucked up on a UFO and sent back to my homeplanet.

Some possible theories about the Bermuda Triangle:

1. It's an area of intense electromagnetic energy causing compasses and radios to be interferred with, resulting in planes, etc to get lost and go down.

2. Something in the area creates a temporal flux, causing vessels to disappear, only to reappear at a later time- minus people.

3. ET's are responsible.

I'm most likely to go with 1. as there are actually three areas on Earth that seem to have this effect on vessels.

Compasses get screwed up, boats get sucked into whirpools. I believe it has something to do with the earth's magnetic field.

Or you can just accept the truth that there are no more disappearences in the Triangle than anywhere else in the world. Frequented shipping lanes plus tropical storms and hurricanes that occupy the area is a formula for disaster. Its nothing supernatural or extraordinary.

Ive got to agree with Frogfish