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JuneyGirl
Did I hear this right.. Canada just passed a law for same sex marriages? I hope not! no.gif


Peace, JuneyGirl
BurnSide
That's right, we did.
Say hello to the new Canada. A country that actually respects a persons human rights and freedoms.
RH2097
I agree with Burnside. I was actually quite happy when I read that in the paper this morning.
JuneyGirl
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jun 29 2005, 06:35 PM)
That's right, we did.
Say hello to the new Canada. A country that actually respects a persons human rights and freedoms.
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I respect a persons rights. No problem. This law puts children in a situation that is not human nature.Homosexuality is not natural.

Peace, JuneyGirl
Amalgamut
I thought only quebec had gay people? tongue.gif
RH2097
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 04:43 PM)
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jun 29 2005, 06:35 PM)
That's right, we did.
Say hello to the new Canada. A country that actually respects a persons human rights and freedoms.
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I respect a persons rights. No problem. This law puts children in a situation that is not human nature.Homosexuality is not natural.

Peace, JuneyGirl
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Why? Because society says it isn't natural? Half of what you do everyday isn't natural, you just think it is.
BurnSide
It has nothing to do with children.
And under your logic, love in itself is not natural, which means that we should ban all marriage completely.
JuneyGirl
I thought this forum was under spiritualty and religon. Sorry if I posted it under anythingelse.


Peace, JuneyGirl
Lost_In_Thought
When I heard this I cheered with joy! I'm not gay, but this whole issue was giving me a head ache..... In my opinion who cares what two adults do in their free time.

As quoted from Prime Minister Trudeau
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"The government has no place in the bed rooms of Canadians".
BurnSide
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 06:53 PM)
I  thought this forum was under spiritualty and religon. Sorry if I posted it under anythingelse. 
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It is, and what is your point?
The Silver Thong
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 03:53 PM)
I  thought this forum was under spiritualty and religon. Sorry if I posted it under anythingelse.  


   Peace, JuneyGirl
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Ummm you might want to add beliefs ! Your in the right place thumbsup.gif
Tangerine Sheri
I'm from California and we had the same chance not to long ago and didn't pass the law for gay marriges, I was saddened by that, Way to go Canada you have made a great step forward for all of us. Discrimination has got to stop, it doesn't work, Thankyou Canada
JuneyGirl
I am not going to argue or get ugly. My piont is the future.. children. Peple worry about the drugs... I worry about the life style and up bringing.You don't have to agree with me. I wanted to voice my thoughts.


Peace, JuneyGirl
BurnSide
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 06:56 PM)
I'm from California and we had the same chance not to long ago and didn't  pass the law for gay marriges, I was saddened by that, Way to go Canada you have made a great step forward for all of  us.  Discrimination has got to stop, it doesn't work, Thankyou Canada
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You're welcome. original.gif I only hope the rest of the world follows suit and civil liberites stop being crushed as they currently are.

QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 06:58 PM)
I am not going to argue or get ugly. My piont is the future.. children. Peple worry about the drugs... I worry about the life style and up bringing.You don't have to agree with me. I wanted to voice my thoughts.
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Why do you feel this will impact children so much? Gay people have always been allowed to be together and live together, so why is it so different now? All that's been allowed is a title. It's not like before it was illegal to be gay.
So how will this affect children in any way?
Amalgamut
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 04:58 PM)
I am not going to argue or get ugly. My piont is the future.. children. Peple worry about the drugs... I worry about the life style and up bringing.You don't have to agree with me. I wanted to voice my thoughts.


Peace, JuneyGirl
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I agree JuneyGirl
RH2097
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 04:58 PM)
I am not going to argue or get ugly. My piont is the future.. children. Peple worry about the drugs... I worry about the life style and up bringing.You don't have to agree with me. I wanted to voice my thoughts.


Peace, JuneyGirl
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So what's the difference with a straight parent?
Tangerine Sheri
Juney Girl, your belief system is the only dangerous thing, why are you concerned about the children and their upbringing?? Maybe you could learn something on this forum that could change your mind and your heart into the loving heart it was meant to be. Namaste Sheri
JuneyGirl
Well.. first of all how do homosexuals reproduce? Who is the father? who is the mother? Two of the same sex cannot repoduce! How confusing can it get. It is unnatural and abomanation against God.


Peace, JuneyGirl
JuneyGirl
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 07:05 PM)
Juney Girl, your belief system is the only dangerous thing, why are you concerned about the children and their upbringing?? Maybe you could learn something on this forum that  could change your mind and your heart into the loving heart it was meant to be.  Namaste Sheri
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I will not go with the world's veiw sherri.. I am not a people pleaser.

Peace, JuneyGirl
Tangerine Sheri
Your religion tells you its wrong is that it?????? Maybe your religion is wrong have you ever considered that?? How do you know what is an against God???
BurnSide
That doesn't answer my question. Why is it an issue now, that they can marry? Why was it not an issue before they could marry? Nothing has changed. tongue.gif


And not everyone wants to have children, as well as alot of people want to adopt. What is the issue?

Love is an abonimation against god. If two people who love each other is an abomination, then this is no different from marriage between a man and woman.
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 05:10 PM)
How do you know what is an against God???
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Maybe because its implied in the bible as plain as day?
Amalgamut
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 05:05 PM)
Juney Girl, your belief system is the only dangerous thing, why are you concerned about the children and their upbringing??
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Just look at your statement and ask yourself if that makes sense. wacko.gif

Why should a person be concerned about children? What do you mean here...and this would make it dangerous?
JuneyGirl
[quote=Sheri berri,Jun 29 2005, 07:10 PM]
Your religion tells you its wrong is that it?????? Maybe your religion is wrong have you ever considered that?? How do you know what is an against God???
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IT IS UNATURAL CAN U HEAR ME???
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 04:10 PM)
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 07:05 PM)
Juney Girl, your belief system is the only dangerous thing, why are you concerned about the children and their upbringing?? Maybe you could learn something on this forum that  could change your mind and your heart into the loving heart it was meant to be.  Namaste Sheri
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I will not go with the world's veiw sherri.. I am not a people pleaser.

Peace, JuneyGirl
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Juney Girl hold on to your beliefs if that what is working for you noone is asking you to compromise your beliefs but be willing to change them easily if new truth shows up to warrant that, We can talk about this without fighting and harming each other Okay??? Why do you feel this is such a bad idea (legalizing Gay marrige) and what do you mean by you are not a people pleaser????
BurnSide
How is it unnatural?

If god made us, and everything, then obviously he gave us the ability to be homosexual. Wouldn't that be defined as natural?
JuneyGirl
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jun 29 2005, 07:21 PM)
How is it unnatural?

If god made us, and everything, then obviously he gave us the ability to be homosexual. Wouldn't that be defined as natural?
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Do you see male rabbits having sex with male rabbits? And they have rabbits? Nope! It is not in the animal kingdom. It is not natural. Humans start this. Than comes cloning so homosexuals can have children. I am just sicken by this whole deal.


Peace, JuneyGirl
Amalgamut
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jun 29 2005, 05:21 PM)
How is it unnatural?

If god made us, and everything, then obviously he gave us the ability to be homosexual. Wouldn't that be defined as natural?
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Possibly, but all sins are natural. However, the bible teaches it is an abomination for a man to sleep with a man.
JuneyGirl
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 07:10 PM)
Your religion tells you its wrong is that it?????? Maybe your religion is wrong have you ever considered that?? How do you know what is an against God???
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I am ignoring you sherri.. you have insulted me enough.


Peace, JuneyGirl
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 29 2005, 04:15 PM)
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 05:05 PM)
Juney Girl, your belief system is the only dangerous thing, why are you concerned about the children and their upbringing??
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Just look at your statement and ask yourself if that makes sense. wacko.gif

Why should a person be concerned about children? What do you mean here...and this would make it dangerous?
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In all fairness to you I do not feel the bible is an authoratative source on God, I do not know the God of religion or would choose too, so we are on two different perspectives and It wouldn't be fair to either one of us, I have no idea what you are referring to I only believe in a unconditional loving God, I'm sorry, All the best to you.
BurnSide
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 07:27 PM)
Do you see male rabbits having sex with male rabbits? And they have rabbits? Nope! It is not in the animal kingdom. It is not natural. Humans start this. Than comes cloning so homosexuals can have children. I am just sicken by this whole deal.
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Wrong.
Proboscis Monkeys and Golden Monkeys reguarly and actively indulge in homosexual mating, for pleasure.
http://www.monkeyland.co.za/monkeybusiness.htm

So, yes, it is in the animal kingdom, which your god created.
Why did God create these animals to have gay urges? Could it be a natural process? Certainly is. Happy reading.
RH2097
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 05:29 PM)
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 07:10 PM)
Your religion tells you its wrong is that it?????? Maybe your religion is wrong have you ever considered that?? How do you know what is an against God???
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I am ignoring you sherri.. you have insulted me enough.


Peace, JuneyGirl
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I never saw an insult.


And really, the majority of things you do every single day are unnatural in the animal kingdom. So therefore, you and the rest of humanity is no better.
eveningsky339
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Possibly, but all sins are natural. However, the bible teaches it is an abomination for a man to sleep with a man.

We are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners.
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That doesn't answer my question. Why is it an issue now, that they can marry? Why was it not an issue before they could marry? Nothing has changed.

You've got to be kidding me.
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If god made us, and everything, then obviously he gave us the ability to be gay. Wouldn't that be defined as natural?

Yes, God did give us that ability. He also gave us the ability to murder, steal, and lie. But you seem to have forgotten that he also gave us the ability to do what is right. That's because he gave us a free will. But when you are enslaved to sin, it doesn't really matter, does it? Jesus sets us free.
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And not everyone wants to have children, as well as alot of people want to adopt. What is the issue?

And adopted babies come from...?
JuneyGirl
[quote=BurnSide,Jun 29 2005, 07:32 PM][quote=JuneyGirl,Jun 29 2005, 07:27 PM]Do you see male rabbits having sex with male rabbits? And they have rabbits? Nope! It is not in the animal kingdom. It is not natural. Humans start this. Than comes cloning so homosexuals can have children. I am just sicken by this whole deal.
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Wrong.
Proboscis Monkeys and Golden Monkeys reguarly and actively indulge in homosexual mating, for pleasure.
http://www.monkeyland.co.za/monkeybusiness.htm

So, yes, it is in the animal kingdom, which your god created.
Why did God create these animals to have gay urges? Could it be a natural process? Certainly is. Happy reading.
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They don't reprduce which why God created man women .. it is unnatural

Peace JuneyGirl
BurnSide
That's right. They are monkeys. Animals, and they are both males.

Here, a little snippet.

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Just as in humans, monkeys often form long-term same-sex relationships. Homosexuality in monkeys often, even usually, involves pair bonding as deep and as long-lasting as between members of heterosexual couples.
Kabutarian
Being raised in a homosexual household does not lead to any detrimental lifestyle. It merely leads to a willingness to accept homosexuals. It is not a path to drugs, murder, thievery, lying, or anything else that would be considered criminal, and anyone who says otherwise is talking through their southern orifice.
RH2097
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 05:41 PM)
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jun 29 2005, 07:32 PM)
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 07:27 PM)
Do you see male rabbits having sex with male rabbits? And they have rabbits? Nope! It is not in the animal kingdom. It is not natural. Humans start this. Than comes cloning so homosexuals can have children. I am just sicken by this whole deal.
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Wrong.
Proboscis Monkeys and Golden Monkeys reguarly and actively indulge in homosexual mating, for pleasure.
http://www.monkeyland.co.za/monkeybusiness.htm

So, yes, it is in the animal kingdom, which your god created.
Why did God create these animals to have gay urges? Could it be a natural process? Certainly is. Happy reading.
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They are monkeys!!!!!!!!! but are both males???


Peace JuneyGirl
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Obviously or else in wouldn't be about homosexual monkeys. And in Animal Kingdom which your supposed God created.
BurnSide
No, they don't reproduce, they do it for pleasure.
The same reason many many many men and women have sex together, for pleasure.
JuneyGirl
QUOTE(RH2097 @ Jun 29 2005, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 05:41 PM)
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jun 29 2005, 07:32 PM)
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 07:27 PM)
Do you see male rabbits having sex with male rabbits? And they have rabbits? Nope! It is not in the animal kingdom. It is not natural. Humans start this. Than comes cloning so homosexuals can have children. I am just sicken by this whole deal.
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Wrong.
Proboscis Monkeys and Golden Monkeys reguarly and actively indulge in homosexual mating, for pleasure.
http://www.monkeyland.co.za/monkeybusiness.htm

So, yes, it is in the animal kingdom, which your god created.
Why did God create these animals to have gay urges? Could it be a natural process? Certainly is. Happy reading.
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They are monkeys!!!!!!!!! but are both males???


Peace JuneyGirl
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Obviously or else in wouldn't be about homosexual monkeys. And in Animal Kingdom which your supposed God created.
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Homosexuality doesn't produce period. God created male female for reproducing. I don't care what animal you saw mating.. The bottomn line is homosexuals can not reproduce. Which will than go into cloning and the end of family which God ordained.


Peace, JuneyGirl
eveningsky339
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Being raised in a household does not lead to any detrimental lifestyle. It merely leads to a willingness to accept gays. It is not a path to drugs, murder, thievery, lying, or anything else that would be considered criminal, and anyone who says otherwise is talking through their southern orifice.

Let's take a closer look at this one.
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Being raised in a household does not lead to any detrimental lifestyle. It merely leads to a willingness to accept gays.

There's a city in California called San Fransisco. It has the highest gay population of any city in the U.S., 200,000 give or take a few. It also has the highest suicide rate of any city in the U.S. In fact, the city police department has a special division you probably won't find in most other cities. It's one and only job is to clean up areas where suicides have taken place.

Strange how the city with the highest gay population also has the highest suicide rate.
BurnSide
Probably due to people like yourself, who shun these people based on their lifestyle choices.
It's a form of racism, and i for one find it disgusting.

Anyway, i've given the proof that it is natural, and it's been met with whining and denying, which is pretty much all the good book is ever good for.

I can't change a persons mind on what kind of people they like to hate, and neither will i ever judge a person on who they love, that's just a horrible thing to do and frankly, i could never have a real discussion with someone who did, because it makes me sick.

So i will no longer participate in this topic, but i will watch it to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.







[Edit]

Okay, that was a little harsh, and some may have been offended by it, but i get deeply offended by people calling something as beautiful as one persons love for another to be unnatural and wrong, so there it is.

I've heard all the arguments, and i think they're weak, but there is no changing a persons belief, and when it comes down to the line, you are all completely entitled to your beliefs, regardless of if anyone else things they're wrong. And that goes both ways.

So, let's keep this conversation civil please everyone. thumbsup.gif
Tangerine Sheri
When as a whole will we stop demanding that our children deny their own sexual identity, or that anyone has to deny their sexual identity for that matter, Our belief systems teach these things, I've had gay friends no one I mean no one deserves to be treated so cruelly, Religion is the source of such cruelty,I think its absurd but what is even more absurd is that it still goes on, A true measure of greatness is the way a person treats someone that is different someone that he/she doesn't understand, Decide for yourself what something means to you don't just obey,Don't just let eveything be decided for you, Decide the tough questions, Find out for yourself, don't make someone elses truth your truth,
Kabutarian
See, that's the thing. All the terrible things people associate with homosexuality are results OF BIGOTRY AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS. It's not the gays that are the problem, it's the people who think that they ARE the problem.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Jun 29 2005, 04:57 PM)
Probably due to people like yourself, who shun these people based on their lifestyle choices.
It's a form of racism, and i for one find it disgusting.

Anyway, i've given the proof that it is natural, and it's been met with whining and denying, which is pretty much all the good book is ever good for.

I can't change a persons mind on what kind of people they like to hate, and neither will i ever judge a person on who they love, that's just a horrible thing to do and frankly, i could never have a real discussion with someone who did, because it makes me sick.

So i will no longer participate in this topic, but i will watch it to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.

Burnside I think that was very beautiful what you said and thankyou for having the courage to say it, people like us are needed until the others catch up, It makes tears stream down my face when people say such mean things and call anything that God has created wrong or unnatural.  I for one wish California was more like Canada but maybe they to will change their minds. Namaste Sheri Berri





[Edit]

Okay, that was a little harsh, and some may have been offended by it, but i get deeply offended by people calling something as beautiful as one persons love for another to be unnatural and wrong, so there it is.

I've heard all the arguments, and i think they're weak, but there is no changing a persons belief, and when it comes down to the line, you are all completely entitled to your beliefs, regardless of if anyone else things they're wrong. And that goes both ways.

So, let's keep this conversation civil please everyone. thumbsup.gif
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JuneyGirl
Jesus Is Lord


Rom 14:11 For it is written, I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Kabutarian
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 05:25 PM)
Jesus Is Lord


Rom 14:11 For it is written, I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
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... And how does this pertain to the topic at hand?
JuneyGirl
QUOTE(Kabutarian @ Jun 29 2005, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 05:25 PM)
Jesus Is Lord


Rom 14:11 For it is written, I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
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... And how does this pertain to the topic at hand?
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Just what it says.... everything you post say you will answer too. thumbsup.gif
BurnSide
JuneyGirl, if you won't make any sense in your posts, the topic will not stay open for long. You are just creating confusion.
Lost_In_Thought
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 30 2005, 12:34 AM)
QUOTE(Kabutarian @ Jun 29 2005, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE(JuneyGirl @ Jun 29 2005, 05:25 PM)
Jesus Is Lord


Rom 14:11 For it is written, I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
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... And how does this pertain to the topic at hand?
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Just what it says.... everything you post say you will answer too. thumbsup.gif
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hmm.gif Meaning what? This has nothing to do with the topic... huh.gif
Pyxis
you know I'm getting pretty sick and tired of being called unnatural. No book should lead your life, and no one should tell you what to believe. I for one, think that the attitudes toward gays is what causes the problems. Mind your own business and you won't have to worry about it.
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