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eveningsky339

Jun 30 2005, 12:59 AM

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Okay, that was a little harsh, and some may have been offended by it,

No offense taken.

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but i get deeply offended by people calling something as beautiful as one persons love for another to be unnatural and wrong, so there it is

It is wrong to insult something as beautiful as one persons love for another. But there are different kinds of love. For example, I love all my male friends. But that doesn't mean I want to get married(frankly there is nothing farther from my mind.) But I love and care about them. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna marry them and sleep with them.

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See, that's the thing. All the terrible things people associate with are results OF BIGOTRY AGAINST GAYS. It's not the gays that are the problem, it's the people who think that they ARE the problem.

I have four gay friends, and I do not hate them in the least. Occasionally we talk about their beliefs, but not often. Usually we just like to hang out, like normal friends.

I do not hate gays. I am only concerned that it goes against my religious belief(and in two cases, theirs).

Also if everyone was gay it would be a complete breakdown of society.

Kabutarian

Jun 30 2005, 01:02 AM

No, actually. It would just lead to an all-female society due to cloning.

Also, why'd you cut out the word "homosexual" in your quote of my post?

Pyxis

Jun 30 2005, 01:06 AM

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Also if everyone was gay it would be a complete breakdown of society.

Huh

You know I've heard the arguments and all that. I think it's all a load. A big one. But I'm going through a really bad broken heart and anything I say can and will be held against me.

Some think it's wrong, some don't it really doesn't matter. The whole argument just ticks me off. Part of the attitudes is because of religion. We all know it. Religion is the great divider of all humans.

Tangerine Sheri

Jun 30 2005, 01:11 AM

QUOTE(eveningsky339 @ Jun 29 2005, 05:59 PM)

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Okay, that was a little harsh, and some may have been offended by it,

No offense taken.

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but i get deeply offended by people calling something as beautiful as one persons love for another to be unnatural and wrong, so there it is

It is wrong to insult something as beautiful as one persons love for another. But there are different kinds of love. For example, I love all my male friends. But that doesn't mean I want to get married(frankly there is nothing farther from my mind.) But I love and care about them. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna marry them and sleep with them.

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See, that's the thing. All the terrible things people associate with are results OF BIGOTRY AGAINST GAYS. It's not the gays that are the problem, it's the people who think that they ARE the problem.

I have four gay friends, and I do not hate them in the least. Occasionally we talk about their beliefs, but not often. Usually we just like to hang out, like normal friends.

I do not hate gays. I am only concerned that it goes against my religious belief(and in two cases, theirs).

Also if everyone was gay it would be a complete breakdown of society.
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There you have it you are deciding for yourself what being gay means to you , clearly you have no problem, you are friends and beliefs have not been a problem, the only problem I see is an alliance to a belief system that says gay is wrong, maybe the system is wrong, it takes very little courage to think for yourself because in being friends with your Gay friends you are doing that, I'm glad to hear you don't hate gays, Have you personally found any kinds of breakdowns in your world because your friends are gay. Religion doesn't teach how to think it teaches what you should think, try thinking for yourself more

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 01:14 AM

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 07:06 PM)

Some think it's wrong, some don't it really doesn't matter. The whole argument just ticks me off. Part of the attitudes is because of religion. We all know it. Religion is the great divider of all humans.
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You can't blame this on religion.

JayMark

Jun 30 2005, 01:15 AM

Sorry JuneyGirl but you are just way too deep into religion IMO. I don't think God would spare some and send others to hell because they were BORN with something diffrent. I don't think God would force us humans to obey such strict rules in any given situations.

Your only arguments are: it's against God, it's not natural and worst of all, they can't reproduce. So what? God Himself told you that it was against him? Oh what, the Bible? Sorry but this book is man-made so unless you proove me that God himself approves it all, I won't take it in consideration. Didn't you think that maby the Bible was altered by some influent people over the years so they could take better advantage of it? Think about it... it's been over 2000 years...

Who cares if they can't reproduce? It's not as if we were in danger of extinction and it's not as if there are 50% gay people on earth. Clones? Haha, I think you are getting paranoid a bit there... there are not more and more gays on earth, only more gays that go out of the closet. Finally people start to be tolerant...

I have no religion. My philosophy? Here it goes: Listen to yorself. Do what YOU like in life. Don't force yourself to go against your feelings just to obey some rules or to please others. The only real rule there is is to respect others and to let them be as is, whatever they do or whoever/whatever they are. If you do this, you'll be happy and others will ba happy around you. If you keep telling poeple what's wrong and what's good by following some man-made books or such, chances are you won't be fully happy and some people might find this frustrating.

Simple eh? I'm happy with that and yet have no real ennemy.

Sorry if it sounds harsh but I hate it when people think they have the ultimate anwser... there are none, do what YOU like, RESPECT others and you'll be happy. No need to follow the Bible or such. I beleive in God but IMO he just want us to be happy and to respect eachother. That's all. I don't think he minds if you sleep with many girls/boys just for fun (or else he wouldn't have made us that way) or anything like that. As long as you respect others and are happy it's ok. Dosen't it make sense?

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I thought only quebec had gay people?

Hahaha. Very funny... damn americans... Québec rocks... more than the USA at least... you haven't seen our woman haven't you? Nah you didn't *drools*.

Pyxis

Jun 30 2005, 01:16 AM

I don't blame it all on religion, but it is a part of it. You can't deny that. Until people learn that what others do really isn't their business then the problem will always be there.

JayMark

Jun 30 2005, 01:21 AM

Why don't humans go OVER religion a bit?

I won't force myself to follow any religion if it goes against my feelings.

Basicly any religion will for myself at some point. Even the catholic religion is a little exagerated IMO. There is some good but come on, who can respect every rules it points out and be prefectly happy inside of him? Not many...

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 01:26 AM

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 07:16 PM)

I don't blame it all on religion, but it is a part of it. You can't deny that. Until people learn that what others do really isn't their business then the problem will always be there.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think the original argument was about gaydom being wrong.

I think the original argument was about gays getting married under a union of god and then having children.

I don't think religion is the main deciding factor in this. Whether or not it talks about homosexuality in the bible or not, wouldn't sway many peoples opinions. People would still feel the same way. There would just be less talk about it fitting into religion.

I for one don't really care if you or bobby joe is gay or not. Then only thing I dislike is how two members of the same sex can mock god by getting married under his name, and then having children. Of course I just talked about religion not being a factor, but I will not list my other opinions on this matter. Bottom line, if you are gay, then thats super. But if you are going to get married by a preist then make sure he is acting the part about joining two people under god. Otherwise, by all means have at it.

Tangerine Sheri

Jun 30 2005, 01:27 AM

I can be so bold as to hold religion 100% accountable for the discrimination of gays
thats the only group of people opposed to fair treatment of all, others look at it in terms of what is good for one is good for us all, How can it be good to discriminate and hate how will that make us better as a society??? It won't we have proof everywhere, I hold religion responsible for the majority of the problems The bible is the biggest advocate for hate and violence ever written.

Pyxis

Jun 30 2005, 01:30 AM

I think if two people want to get married and they love each other then it's not an abomination to God. Lots of heteros get married without love, I don't hear anyone calling that an abomination.

Also, if a gay couple decides to adopt, then what's the problem? There are so many kids without someone to love them I don't think they should be denied that just because they might end up with two fathers, or two mothers.

hyperactive

Jun 30 2005, 01:30 AM

the law does not force any religious practitioner to go against their religious practices (protection of freedom of religion). it does however do exactly what your attitude implies, Amal; it means that any two concenting adults can be "married" which grants a long denied equality to homosexual couples.

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 01:36 AM

QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 07:27 PM)

I can be so bold as to hold religion 100% accountable for the discrimination of gays
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Well, then I can be so bold as to tell you that you're 100% wrong.

QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 07:27 PM)

How can it be good to discriminate and hate how will that make us better as a society???
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The same mentality can be applied to a child molester.

QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Jun 29 2005, 07:27 PM)

It won't we have proof everywhere, I hold religion responsible for the majority of the problems The bible is the biggest advocate for hate and violence ever written.
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Bible or not, people would feel the same way. Look at all the blacks that got discriminated. Does it say anywhere in the bible to do such things? No. Man will do what he feels.

Pyxis

Jun 30 2005, 01:40 AM

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The same mentality can be applied to a child molester

Why oh why is that always what comes up? I'm not a child molester, and I don't like being put in the same camp.

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Bible or not, people would feel the same way. Look at all the blacks that got discriminated. Does it say anywhere in the bible to do such things? No. Man will do what he feels.

Yes but they used to be enslaved, and?what does the Bible say about slaves.

JayMark

Jun 30 2005, 01:46 AM

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 29 2005, 08:26 PM)

I for one don't really care if you or bobby joe is gay or not. Then only thing I dislike is how two members of the same sex can mock god by getting married under his name, and then having children. Of course I just talked about religion not being a factor, but I will not list my other opinions on this matter. Bottom line, if you are gay, then thats super. But if you are going to get married by a preist then make sure he is acting the part about joining two people under god. Otherwise, by all means have at it.
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Oh I get it. It's just a religious thing. But did it crossed your mind that prehaps some gays are religious or catholic? I don't think they get married to offend God or such.

Why would God hate gays? Because they can't reproduce? Hell, I didn't know we were in a crisis and absolutely needed to reproduce... and beside, how could God not like people he created? Gays are BORN like this so nobody chose this. Gays exist since the beginning of mankind so we didn't invent it like some dieseases.

The Bible isn't the only anwser I'm telling you... if following it makes you happy at every level, fine for you.

So unless God appears to me and tell me it's really his will, I'll keep listening to my heart and respect others. That's all I need. And I do beleive in God mind you...

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 01:47 AM

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 07:40 PM)

Why oh why is that always what comes up? I'm not a child molester, and I don't like being put in the same camp.
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Then I ask you the same question "how can homosexuality be good for society?" And I never said that you were a child molester.

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 07:40 PM)

Yes but they used to be enslaved, and?what does the Bible say about slaves.
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Not sure what this has to do with what we are talking about.

Pyxis

Jun 30 2005, 01:50 AM

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Then I ask you the same question "how can homosexuality be good for society?" And I never said that you were a child molester.

How can it hurt it? Society is all about differences. If you don't learn to accept people for who they are, we'll continue to have all the violence, the hate crimes, wars, etc.

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Not sure what this has to do with what we are talking about.

You brought up the discrimination against blacks, I was just making a comment. Doesn't really matter anyway. You feel the way you feel and you won't change that until you want to.

RH2097

Jun 30 2005, 01:51 AM

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 29 2005, 07:47 PM)

Then I ask you the same question "how can homosexuality be good for society?" And I never said that you were a child molester.

Equality is a big one. What's so bad about equality now?

JayMark

Jun 30 2005, 01:53 AM

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 29 2005, 08:47 PM)

Then I ask you the same question "how can homosexuality be good for society?"

So anything that isn't necessarly good for society should be condemned?

Homos aren't good for society but they neither are bad. People like you take it bad and only see negative things out of this. If everyone respected them and just didn't care, it wouldn't cause any harm to the society...

Religions have done much more harm to the society than homosexuality dude... and still does. Think about it.

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 01:54 AM

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 07:46 PM)

Oh I get it. It's just a religious thing. But did it crossed your mind that prehaps some gays are religious or catholic?
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No way. A Catholic priest molesting boys?

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 07:46 PM)

I don't think they get married to offend God or such.
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Yes, and neither do I mean to offend God when I have pre-marital sex. But, it is a sin nonetheless. I just don't see why a union is necessary here.

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 07:46 PM)

Why would God hate gays? Because they can't reproduce? Hell, I didn't know we were in a crisis and absolutely needed to reproduce... and beside, how could God not like people he created? Gays are BORN like this so nobody chose this. Gays exist since the beginning of mankind so we didn't invent it like some dieseases.
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Do you really want to talk about God and gays? All this will lead to is a flame war, and eventually I will be left alone trying to prove how God exists and then the thread will probably be closed.

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 07:46 PM)

The Bible isn't the only anwser I'm telling you... if following it makes you happy at every level, fine for you.
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So now we are going to talk about the bible? Please! God no!!

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 07:46 PM)

So unless God appears to me and tell me it's really his will, I'll keep listening to my heart and respect others. That's all I need. And I do beleive in God mind you...
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Well, thats fantastic. But which God do you believe in?

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 01:56 AM

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 07:50 PM)

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Then I ask you the same question "how can homosexuality be good for society?" And I never said that you were a child molester.

How can it hurt it? Society is all about differences. If you don't learn to accept people for who they are, we'll continue to have all the violence, the hate crimes, wars, etc.

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Well, then my comment remains. Lets just let all the people do what they want and molest who they want. Why discriminate?

eveningsky339

Jun 30 2005, 01:58 AM

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Gays are BORN like this so nobody chose this.

So is being gay some kind of birth defect now?

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Also, why'd you cut out the word " " in your quote of my post?

My computer has a kind of filter that cuts out "inappropriate" words. The word being referred to is probably not in the quote above because of the filter. I find nothing wrong with the use of that certain word.

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So unless God appears to me and tell me it's really his will, I'll keep listening to my heart and respect others. That's all I need. And I do beleive in God mind you...

You obviously don't believe in the God of the Bible.

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Why would God hate gays?

He doesn't. In God's eyes all sin is exactly the same. It's just sin. And it all is forgivable through Jesus.

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Bible or not, people would feel the same way. Look at all the blacks that got discriminated. Does it say anywhere in the bible to do such things? No. Man will do what he feels.

I agree.

By the way Hyperactive I look your new avatar.

Pyxis

Jun 30 2005, 02:01 AM

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Well, then my comment remains. Lets just let all the people do what they want and molest who they want. Why discriminate?

All right, you're the one that brought that in. Why? I'm not talking about molestation. I do want to know why, when the homosexual topic comes up, either bestiality or child molesters come up. It's like the safety argument for all those opposed. You don't like homosexual marriage, then fine. But the constant arguments that it's wrong and unnatural just don't make sense anymore.

I was born the way I was. I don't think it's wrong and never will. So like I said, I can't change your mind one way or the other.

And the world keeps turning.......

hyperactive

Jun 30 2005, 02:02 AM

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 29 2005, 05:56 PM)

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 07:50 PM)

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Then I ask you the same question "how can homosexuality be good for society?" And I never said that you were a child molester.

How can it hurt it? Society is all about differences. If you don't learn to accept people for who they are, we'll continue to have all the violence, the hate crimes, wars, etc.

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Well, then my comment remains. Lets just let all the people do what they want and molest who they want. Why discriminate?
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tsk tsk amal! why do the "anti-gay" veiws always come down to comparing homosexuality to molestors, beastiality, etc? the BIG DIFFERENCE between a homosexual couple and all the other derogitory comparisons you lay down is that a couple consists of 2 CONCENTING adults. Lets stick to comparing "apples to apples" here.

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 02:03 AM

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 07:53 PM)

So anything that isn't necessarly good for society should be condemned?
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Comdemned? Depends.... Glorified? Condemn the glorification.

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 07:53 PM)

Homos aren't good for society but they neither are bad. People like you take it bad and only see negative things out of this.
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Ok, well can you tell me a positive thing?

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 07:53 PM)

If everyone respected them and just didn't care, it wouldn't cause any harm to the society...
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Only time will tell here. Maybe in 50 years we will see what the numbers have to say.

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 07:53 PM)

Religions have done much more harm to the society than homosexuality dude... and still does. Think about it.
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"Dude"?

Wait...you just told me you believed in God. So therefore you follow a form of religion.

JuneyGirl

Jun 30 2005, 02:05 AM

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 09:15 PM)

Sorry JuneyGirl but you are just way too deep into religion IMO. I don't think God would spare some and send others to hell because they were BORN with something diffrent. I don't think God would force us humans to obey such strict rules in any given situations.

Your only arguments are: it's against God, it's not natural and worst of all, they can't reproduce. So what? God Himself told you that it was against him? Oh what, the Bible? Sorry but this book is man-made so unless you proove me that God himself approves it all, I won't take it in consideration. Didn't you think that maby the Bible was altered by some influent people over the years so they could take better advantage of it? Think about it... it's been over 2000 years...

Who cares if they can't reproduce? It's not as if we were in danger of extinction and it's not as if there are 50% gay people on earth. Clones? Haha, I think you are getting paranoid a bit there... there are not more and more gays on earth, only more gays that go out of the closet. Finally people start to be tolerant...

I have no religion. My philosophy? Here it goes: Listen to yorself. Do what YOU like in life. Don't force yourself to go against your feelings just to obey some rules or to please others. The only real rule there is is to respect others and to let them be as is, whatever they do or whoever/whatever they are. If you do this, you'll be happy and others will ba happy around you. If you keep telling poeple what's wrong and what's good by following some man-made books or such, chances are you won't be fully happy and some people might find this frustrating.

Simple eh? I'm happy with that and yet have no real ennemy.

Sorry if it sounds harsh but I hate it when people think they have the ultimate anwser... there are none, do what YOU like, RESPECT others and you'll be happy. No need to follow the Bible or such. I beleive in God but IMO he just want us to be happy and to respect eachother. That's all. I don't think he minds if you sleep with many girls/boys just for fun (or else he wouldn't have made us that way) or anything like that. As long as you respect others and are happy it's ok. Dosen't it make sense?

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I thought only quebec had gay people?

Hahaha. Very funny... damn americans... Québec rocks... more than the USA at least... you haven't seen our woman haven't you? Nah you didn't *drools*.
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Sorry JuneyGirl but you are just way too deep into religion IMO. I don't think God would spare some and send others to hell because they were BORN with something diffrent. I don't think God would force us humans to obey such strict rules in any given situations.

Sin is Sin and I would say samething about adultery, lying.,, ect. It is not right and you all know it. Homosexuals know it to. Why it was in the closet so long.

Peace, JuneyGirl

hyperactive

Jun 30 2005, 02:07 AM

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Ok, well can you tell me a positive thing?

if a "great man" contributes something wonderful to the betterment of society, does it matter whether his "soul-mate" is male or female?

homosexuals do contribute to society every day. just becuase you don't know they are gay does not mean they are not in society. since they are in society, contributing to society, is it not only fair that they be treated equally in society?

RH2097

Jun 30 2005, 02:10 AM

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 29 2005, 07:56 PM)

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 07:50 PM)

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Then I ask you the same question "how can homosexuality be good for society?" And I never said that you were a child molester.

How can it hurt it? Society is all about differences. If you don't learn to accept people for who they are, we'll continue to have all the violence, the hate crimes, wars, etc.

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Well, then my comment remains. Lets just let all the people do what they want and molest who they want. Why discriminate?
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Because molestation, violence, hate crimes, wars, and the etc, all are about hate, fear, anger. You're blowing it all out of proportion, as gays are out to kill straights or something. This is the main reason why I quit my beliefs in the Catholic Church, they act as though everything that is written in their little book is right, and everything else is wrong. Homosexuality isn't about any of that, they love each other.

You tell them that they sin, that they are bound to hell, so once your judgement condemns you, you'll see them there.

Pyxis

Jun 30 2005, 02:10 AM

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Sin is Sin and I would say samething about adultery, lying.,, ect. It is not right and you all know it. Homosexuals know it to. Why it was in the closet so long.

And love is love. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. By the way I don't think it's wrong. Never have. And it was in the closet so long because we didn't want to be set on fire, or beaten to death, or tied up in the wilderness and left to die.

That really shows that love all kinda thing doesn't it?

JayMark

Jun 30 2005, 02:11 AM

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No way. A Catholic priest molesting boys?

I don't see what it has to do with our subject. But you're right. It happens...

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Yes, and neither do I mean to offend God when I have pre-marital sex. But, it is a sin nonetheless. I just don't see why a union is necessary here.

Ok. So why is it such a sin? Because God supposedly said it?

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Do you really want to talk about God and gays? All this will lead to is a flame war, and eventually I will be left alone trying to prove how God exists and then the thread will probably be closed.

I don't mind talking about God and gays. I won't flame you or disrespect you for the matter. I think we're having a good discussion actually... and BTW no need to proove God exist because first, you can't and second, I already beleive in him (don't know for others though).

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So now we are going to talk about the bible? Please! God no!!

Actually you talked about it in the first place and in this very topic. That's why I'm saying this.

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Well, thats fantastic. But which God do you believe in?

I love this question. I beleive in a God that forgives anyone and anything. I beleive in a God that loves us all. I don't beleive in a God that send people to hell. I don't beleive in a God that made us in such a way and then force us to obey rules that sometimes go against ourselves. and our feelings.

God loves everyone whether they are gay or not. I think all he really wants is us to be happy and respectfull. If making love with diffrent woman is what makes you happy, he won't care as long as everything is done respectfully.

Seriously, I prefer my vision of God over the traditionnal "obey the rules or else you go to hell". God is always there to support us whatever we do.

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 02:12 AM

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 08:01 PM)

All right, you're the one that brought that in. Why? I'm not talking about molestation.
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But you said why do we have to discriminate people with sexual preferences? A child molester has sexual preferences dont you think? Does he think what he does is wrong? Many do not.

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 08:01 PM)

I do want to know why, when the homosexual topic comes up, either bestiality or child molesters come up.
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Because people always bring up "why can't people have their own sexual right to do things?" Again, I'm not disputing the right for a person to be gay. I just wanted to know how a homosexual accepted world can benefit humans as a whole. I just want one reason.

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 08:01 PM)

It's like the safety argument for all those opposed. You don't like homosexual marriage, then fine. But the constant arguments that it's wrong and unnatural just don't make sense anymore.
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I'm not really disputing the fact that it could be natural. Just that I don't think its "nature-al".

QUOTE(Pyxis @ Jun 29 2005, 08:01 PM)

I was born the way I was. I don't think it's wrong and never will. So like I said, I can't change your mind one way or the other.
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Then I wish you the best of luck and hope you may live a life of complete happiness with whomever you chose to live with.

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 02:17 AM

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 08:11 PM)

Ok. So why is it such a sin? Because God supposedly said it?
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Again I ask...do you really want to talk about god in this matter? ( I was hoping we could discuss this matter from an atheist point of veiw).

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 08:11 PM)

I don't mind talking about God and gays. I won't flame you or disrespect you for the matter. I think we're having a good discussion actually... and BTW no need to proove God exist because first, you can't and second, I already beleive in him (don't know for others though).
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Ok thats cool. Its just that if we talk about God (and this subject) it will go nowhere.

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 08:11 PM)

Actually you talked about it in the first place and in this very topic. That's why I'm saying this.
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I hinted on it as being part of the reason as to why I think I do.

QUOTE(JayMark @ Jun 29 2005, 08:11 PM)

I love this question. I beleive in a God that forgives anyone and anything. I beleive in a God that loves us all. I don't beleive in a God that send people to hell. I don't beleive in a God that made us in such a way and then force us to obey rules that sometimes go against ourselves. and our feelings.
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Well, then you and I think along the same lines.

Pyxis

Jun 30 2005, 02:19 AM

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Then I wish you the best of luck and hope you may live a life of complete happiness with whomever you chose to live with.

That's all I ask for.

Pyxis

Jun 30 2005, 02:23 AM

However, as far as the molestation and bestiality.

Bestiality is just sick. I seriously don't think you're born wanting to make time with the cows. (Althouth I'm from Kentucky and I've heard stories

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Molestation I think is a mental disease. The difference is homosexuality is two grown adults who know what they're doing. I'm sorry but I'll never see any similarities. To me it's a kinda offensive comparison.

JayMark

Jun 30 2005, 02:29 AM

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Again I ask...do you really want to talk about god in this matter? ( I was hoping we could discuss this matter from an atheist point of veiw).

Why are you avoiding my question? I don't mind talking about God in any matter. I just want to know why are gays sinfull and such (not only gays but for everything)? How can you be sure that it's really what God wants and thinks?

Isn't respecting others enough asked? If you do something witch is supposedly a sin but yet isn't disrespectfull or harmfull towards anyone why would God still hate it and condemn it? Dosen't he just want us to be happy? If so why then bugging us on minor things that aren't even bad, mean or disrespectfull?

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Ok thats cool. Its just that if we talk about God (and this subject) it will go nowhere.

No. It's only adding a little extra something to the actuall discussion... actually, debating on our beleifs will never get any of us anywhere. It'll just make us think and that's the purpose.

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Well, then you and I think along the same lines.

Yea maby but in my point of you, the only thing God dosen't like is when people are mean, disrespectfull or harm others. Nothing else.

BTW I enjoy this discussion. If you feel I'm mad, it's not the case. If you feel offended by what I said, I'm sorry it wasen't meant...

Edit: Typos

Neo2005

Jun 30 2005, 02:31 AM

Boy the word of god.
That's brought alot of good to the world huh?

Ashley-Star*Child

Jun 30 2005, 02:42 AM

I have no objections to same sex marriages/relationships. There are genetic reasons (in most cases, posers and trendoids aside) for homosexuality.

What about hermaphrodites? God created them also, and no matter which sex they choose to be with they'd still to some degree be part of a 'same sex marriage'. God made everyone, and people really shouldn't get so into the business of what two people in their private lives do.

Even if you say they are 'sinning' who here can say they have never 'sinned' themselves? No one, and if you say you can you are lying, and that is a sin in itself. Who is made to judge who sins more than another. It's not your judgement to make.

Neo2005

Jun 30 2005, 02:45 AM

I really don;t understand how to guys or to women getting married can hurt anyone so much as to boycot the "Sanctity of Marrige"?

There's no way it can.
I'm proud to a canadian and have this law passed.

Kabutarian

Jun 30 2005, 02:46 AM

The thing about gay marriage is that it's not merely a religious issue. Since the state grants married couples certain benefits that unmarried couples do not recieve, it is neccasary for the sake of equality to extend the option of marriage to ANY loving couple.

And with the lumping together of homosexuality, bestiality, and pedophalia... There's really no comparison to be made.

Homosexuality: Sex between two consenting adults.
Bestiality: Sex between a person and an animal that has no way of consenting or declining to it.
Pedophalia: Sex between an adult and a child, where the child has either not consented, or has but has no idea what they're consenting to.

EDIT: Rock on, Ashley. Well said.

BurnSide

Jun 30 2005, 02:47 AM

An excellent post Ashley, and a really great point that i never thought of before.

MJB222

Jun 30 2005, 02:49 AM

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 29 2005, 03:45 PM)

I thought only quebec had gay people?

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ROFL

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 03:00 AM

QUOTE(RH2097 @ Jun 29 2005, 08:10 PM)

You tell them that they sin, that they are bound to hell, so once your judgement condemns you, you'll see them there.
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And where did I say gay people were going to go to hell?

Ashley-Star*Child

Jun 30 2005, 03:01 AM

Thanks Burnside.

JMPD1

Jun 30 2005, 03:25 AM

Bravo to the people of Canada for honoring and respecting human rights.

And, as someone has pointed out: equating Homosexuality with bestiality or pedophilia is ridiculous. We are talking about two consenting adults, in a compassionate and loving relationship, who wish for recognition of their commitment to one another.

Most insurance companies, and medical insurers will not recognize 'companions' for coverage of medical or death benefits.

The Raven

Jun 30 2005, 03:28 AM

First of all, I've got to hand it to Ashley for her excellent post.

There are so many reasons why same sex marriage is not wrong that I don't have enough room to write them all here, so I'll only state a few.

Someone can believe same-sex marriage is wrong. The people in a same-sex marriage can believe an opposite-sex marriage is wrong. Whose job is it to decide the laws of marriage now that it conflicts with their righteous beliefs?

What would happen if everyone had same-sex marriages and your opposite-sex marriages were frowned upon, and you tried so hard just to be lawfully bound to the member of the opposite sex that you love so much, but the oppression from the same-sex majority stops it. How would you feel if the law said you couldn't be with your mate, soul mate or whatever you find your partner to be. So instead of surpressing the beliefs of others, let them believe and follow what they want; it's not like you have to have a same-sex marriage.

Why is same-sex marriage not natural? Cellphones, PDA's, message boards, microchips, transistors, radios, televisions, watches, DVD players, MP3 players, CD players, and whatever other electronic you can think of are not natural. We didn't create the laws to love, we didn't create the laws to mating. Our bodies tell us if we are attracted to male or female, regardless if that means we are sexually attracted to those of the same gender. It's not anyones fault or choice to be sexually attracted to one of their own gender.

I say go Canada! Spread some of your acceptance to the USA.

girty1600

Jun 30 2005, 03:31 AM

To all the people that fear that same-sex relationships will lead to the break down of society and the end of the human race, I say this: confront your fears and prejudice with an open mind. Realize that your own beliefs assure you that God loves you because you aren't gay; be content with that and leave others alone. Why should people be so pissed that men want to marry men and women want to marry women? People that exhibit blind hatred towards groups of people through ignorance and religion scare the hell out of me, just thinking out loud.
To those of you that think homosexuality is unnatural for whatever reason, I say this: many relationships are built on random circumstances, unconventional media. I know people who are happily married that met in a bar; I was brought up to believe that would never work. People also form relationships with others via computer which a good deal of people find unnatural. We confuse normal with popular and that's a damn shame. People need to get off their damn high horse and leave others alone.
To all of you with a rational open mind, and loving heart and the gumption to make your voice heard against racism, blind ignorant hatred and any other form of judgemental farce I say this: Keep fighting the good fight, knock down all prejudice with knowledge and intelligence; I will be beside you all with my voice as my weapon backed up by my vote.

girty1600

Jun 30 2005, 03:33 AM

By the way, good point Ashley!

SilverCougar

Jun 30 2005, 03:36 AM

*tries to take a deep calming breath*

If homosexuality was so... unnatural... then there wouldn't be other animals who displace such. And if you want to know.. There has been cases of penguins, flamingos, mice, chimps, rams, dolphins, dogs, cats... all have had documented proof of males only wanting sexual contact with other males, and or females with other females... If you're to lazy to google and look.. I've already posted links.. others have posted links.. here on the site..

Personaly, it shows that Canada is more mature then the US... same with Scotland, Belgum, and the Neatherlands... Scotland is allowing same sex couples to adopt children... I think that's a wonderous thing.

Homosexuality is as natural as blond hair and blue eyes... Or red hair and green eyes... it's as natual as heterosexuality... it's something you are born with... and being born is natural.

Tangerine Sheri

Jun 30 2005, 03:54 AM

girty1600 I loved what you said, Sign me up!!!!!!!!! I STAND for change, I am so proud of Canada, I mentioned earlier I wish it would of been California United States. I watched a documentary about Canada and I saw the crime rate is way lower they can keep their doors unlocked at nite and they believe in Health care for all. Am I right my Canadian Brothers and sisters?????? We can learnfrom each other and for the first time in a long time the One love for all, fairness for all is the majority. Our hearts are being our guides.

Amalgamut

Jun 30 2005, 03:59 AM

All this talk about Canada and the US reminds me of that one South Park movie....