hey if we didn't have commuication wed be exinct i mean look at us no natural weapons at all wed be gone in 5 months

however the main things needed by law for a advaned race are brain (its pretty much the only thing u need to be a inteligen race) communication ( for mating and survival ) social heirarcy ( maybe i don't know alot of inteelingete animals alpha males ) and thats it i think and they could be a species of animals that eat the sulfur

you have a point! but i think , in bermuda triangle is tha place where alien live(laugh)

The closest thing to "another intelligent race" on our planet which is supported by any kind of ancient literary evidence are the reptilan creatures we commonly refer to as "dragons". They appear in the myths and religions of virtually every human culture and in most cases they are intelligent animals that in many cultures "taught" humans things like agriculture. Though the fact has largely been obssured by editing them out, these dragons are heavenly servant creature to the God of the Judao-Christian religions. But like UFO's and Bigfoot, we have many eyewitness reports of their existence, but no physical evidence. But if they are supernatural creatures associated with most of the world's religions, perhaps they never die, so bones will never be found.

There is a fine line between interest and obsession.

Well I agree to some point as this will expain much of our mysteries. But the only point I disagree with is where they live, I read that they live in underground cities, that can be accessed from the Pyramids of Egypt, Lhasa in Tibet, Mount Roncador in Brazil...etc...

Well, we definately didn't evolve just to the point of survival, so why couldn't anything else? Other things have been around for millions of years, and still no remarkable evolutionary traits, it makes me wonder...

like it always says "if theres life on land, then theres life in air and theres life on water"

has no one ever seen the 'man from atlantis' ????? oooooo whats his name that was init????? he was in dallas as well, can see his face, whats his bloody name, i'll get it don't tell me......

anyways, i thought or maybe not that our collective advanced intellegence is based on who is lying and who is telling the........

nature, got to love it.......

ah, thought i had his name but sadly... dark hair and blue eyes, i'll get it.... soon as i hit the reply button it will hit me?

something else just hit me, i is an old fart..... never mind.... and can we please have a topic that doesn't contain pyramids????

oh yeh, thanks for all the fish..... ciao

dont get me wrong, i luuurvs the triangular pointy things its just i could do with, what the hell, go on then do your worst......

me pasta is exploding, have to go and attend to it.....

please don't BAN ME

sounds like something frome lovecraft like cthulu

NOOOOOOOO!!! YOU MUST NEVER EVER EXPLORE MORE THEN 5% OF THE WORLDS OCEANS, FOR THE TRUTH LIES IN THE 6% MARGINE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT?!?!? YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!sry, all hopped up on flu meds

Your posts are reflecting this quite clearly.

maybe we are the aliens ...

what if life didnt start on earth.. what if it was formed in a cosmic pool, the orion nebula ..by forming in vast molecular clouds of gas and dust such as there are there .with inorganic cosmic dust composed of iron, silicon carbon mixed with inorganic gases acting as nurserys creating organic molecules of ever higher complexity..plus the polarizing light there that would destroy any one side to create the left sided imbalance in amino acids that we are seeing in life. OK, now theres other types of evidence with nasa's spitzer space telescope discovering some of life's most basic ingredients in the dust swirling around a young star. The ingredients - gaseous precursors to DNA and protein - were detected in the star's terrestrial planet zone , but seems ideal for the nebula that creates the stars . This actual star was IRS 46 in Ophiuchus..

Well, im just really looking for leads that might suggest the darwenian pool might be in the nebula where the sheer vast amounts of the basic materials would be present, and the time to create it..

What happens next is there is life formed, but not on earth .. but on planet(s) much closer to the nebula than earth where they would be physically closer to this 'organic nursey'. And the life form created is nowhere near as complex as our own ..even with this far vaster supply of organic material..

Maybe there was some kind of 'darwenist' bootstrap kind of first lifeform, but not of an evolution we currently envisage with our earth model, under an alien environment theres to many ubknown parameters to even really guess how it'd happen..Now, while these far more basic lifeforms may have taken a lot longer to reach a level of civisation we have in our time.. they may have somehow, someway of reached a point after millions of years where they could actually have improved their dna code by intelligence . That would then become the point when intelligence became the predominant evolutionary factor , the ability to consciously detemine a lifeforms 'successor' .. giving rise to a kind of strata of lifeforms being born off the back of the previous by intelligent design . and the next lifeform with an improved dna would lead to an exponentially faster design for the next. I guess it would mean a type of suicide for the preceding lifeform .. but may just be natures way .. could be that should we start to improve on our dna code, there may come a time it'll be unfashionable to be 'human' anymore .

So anyway, there comes a time that this civilisation thinks it might want to preserve its species by sending its dna off into space.. either that or it wants to try say another type of lifeform ie carbon based if say for instance they are silicon .. but for whatever reason, they want a brand new design of dna or an existing (maybe improved) type of their own to send to another planet ..

Earth

But they didnt finish our code, there were bits incomplete like the vitamin c metabolism gene, but that is orionan to err isnt it ? ) .. but anyway they didnt finish the code off to the level they aimed at, hence our junk dna some half finished sequences.. or they maybe thought to give us that extra unused 96% of our dna to play around with when we get to start designing the next lifeform to supercede us .

I think we're still stuck in the earth is the centre of the universe frame of mind, we know that the earth isnt anymore, but we still think these lifeforms here on earth are unique and have now precursor in the universe , but maybe because thats how we have historically always looked at it. not in the wider ( universal) picture but how it specifically effects us on earth. It probably does sound weird idea , but so too was Giordano Bruno's before Galileo's telescopes proved him right in many ways . Maybe these new massive 30 metre telescopes that are being planned (up to 100 times greater resolution than hubble) may help show how life may have formed in the universe some day.


well thats my theory ) , dont shoot me down in too many flames if its totally poo idea )

ps

dont want to get into wether theres aliens among us etc , but the common description of them would seem to be of a species whose appearance would be of something less genetically advanced as ours ..

hehe ok, forget that one )

and the dna capsule with onboard biolab landed in the nile delta near where the pyramids are now and onboard was a constellation map pointing , maybe with a big arrowhead that looks like a pyramid.. to orion. to give some clue where it came from.. like the day we send our dna into space, we might want to put a star map with a direction to earth on ...

There is an advanced race living on the planet. Seriously! There is and they don't live under the ocean. They live in our midst. They are all around us...and they look, for the most part, just like us. In fact, it can be extremely hard to tell them apart just by looking at them. Some are more obvious than others however. This advanced race is humanoid in every detail...save one...their brains.......

...who are these advanced humans?

...they are known by many names, but the most common is...

The Rich!

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The following information was disclosed to me by a reliable confidential informant, who previously worked on contract for the National Security Agency, and maintains connections within the Intelligence community. This informant, whom I shall call "Jesse", has over 40 years of notes from a very close relative, who served as CIA liaison to the National Security Council on UFO/ET matters. This information has been confirmed by a second source, Dr. Michael Wolf of the National Security Council's unacknowledged subcommittee, the MJ-12 Special Studies goup. I have talked with Dr. Wolf about the notes' author, Jesse's relative. Dr. Wolf said that that CIA official "was like an uncle to me."


The reports which follow are thus not "leaks", but rather based on planned releases of information. These releases are part of a public Acclimation Program, an official though unacknowledged U.S. Government policy of "processed release of information", as Dr. Wolf described it.


According to "Jesse", in 1969 the Apollo 10 astronauts Stafford, Cernan and Young were the first to film an extraterrestrial space beacon, dubbed The Monolith, somewhat like, but smaller than, the one in Arthur C. Clarke's book/movie "2001". They were not, however, the first astronauts to spot this ET beacon. The Monolith was first sighted by Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space, in 1961. He was followed into space that same year by American astronaut Alan Shephard, who also sighted the beacon. Apollo 10 went to it, and filmed it from every angle. The Monolith acted like a communication beacon. Jesse said, "It sort of acts like the message received in the movie "Contact". It had a message on it, in addition to a map of the extraterrestrial civilization which placed it there], and how to get to them."


The Apollo 10 astronauts brought back the message captured on film. The Monolith's energy affected Apollo 10's instrumentation, so that its crew almost didn't get back. As soon as the film Apollo 10 took came back to Earth, those Intelligence compartments which deal with UFOs were busy poring over information from the Monolith.


The government then used an early secret military space shuttle to go get the Monolith itself. This covert military spacecraft flew years before the first "official" NASA Shuttle's public flights in 1981. The spaceplane is operated by a secret military astronaut program out of Vandenburg Air Force Base, California, among other locations. The second flight mission of this unacknowledged military shuttle retrieved the Monolith, and brought it back to Earth in 1972 for study. [1]


After being retrieved, the Monolith was then transferred to a secret research facility. Scientific analysis of the Monolith was conducted at this domed underwater facility located north of Abaco, the northernmost of the Bahamas Islands. RCA Corporation is in charge of that experimentation research, Jesse says. Jesse stated, "They did it underwater, after they saw people dropping like flies. They figured that there would be better containment [of the Monolith's suspected cosmic energy emanations] underwater." He noted that the space beacon "has a sound to it, like it talks. It also gives off a light show." Dr. Michael Wolf shed additional light on the beacons. "They are 'postcards from the rim'. They emit both light and tone signals, sending a mathematical language. There may be five or more ET civilizations involved in setting up these beacons."


Among the scientists who worked on it were famed astronomer Dr. Carl Sagan, U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command General William Stubblebine, (ret.), National Security Council consultant Dr. Michael Wolf, and a former division head of CIA. Everyone who had prolonged close physical contact with the Monolith got cancer, Jesse says. "And those who tried to dissect it [the Monolith] died right there on the spot." The CIA Counter-Intelligence official and Dr. Wolf got colon cancer. The CIA man required surgery, but Dr. Wolf's cancer later went into a spontaneous remission. Dr. Sagan eventually died of his cancer.


Jesse feels that there are many more space beacons out in space, acting as "postcards". "I'm sure Mother Russia had one." [2]

Jesse also revealed a 1973 formula for gravity control, used by the military to construct antigravity aerospace vehicles.[a] He disclosed that noted quantum physicist Jack Sarfatti was in a position to be familiar with this gravity formula used by the government. Jesse observed, "With regard to Sarfatti, as I can determine it [from the notes], he was on site doing work on the
relationship between downed UFO's and back-engineering, to the degree that he assisted in the gravity makeup formulae."


Jesse added that Sarfatti noticed that the captured UFO's field propulsion guidance was focused on the ET pilot. "[The UFO pilot console] had the hand placement with micro holes and light-emitting senses [sensors] to feel the impulse of the sudden hand movement; hence it [pilot and UFO] became as one. The driver always feels the outer skin's 'road feel', so it [the UFO] can handle better than a Corvette at 125 mph in fifth gear in the big curve." Jesse added, "Then again, Sarfatti has these [formula] numbers...he can attest to the numbers and even affirm that [antigravity field propulsion] is in use today! Matter of fact, the formulae even tell a story of the skin association between flyer and craft." [3] They [ET pilots] think [a ommand]...and go. Sort of like...point-click and ship! Boom...you're there."


The RAND Corporation (a CIA think tank) holds the key to the [gravity-control] formulae." Jesse revealed. "Our Navy even set up the United Earth Space Naval Forces. I believe this group to be in existence today." [4]

i dont know. knowing the presure underwater, they would be crumpled like paper.

hehe, depends how far underwater i guess ... prob not at untold depths down ...

If it's something new and undiscovered who are you to say what they do or do not need to survive?

What if they have their own source of energy, food, and resources? What if.. OMG *gasp* they don't require the same things to thrive as we do!!

The whole point of "undiscovered" is we know nothing of it. Mankind is so arrogant that they think they always have the answer to everything. If it hadn't been discovered yet - some of you would doubt the existence of fish, or any aquatic creature saying "All animals need air to breathe".

Could it be someone has been watching too many episodes of 'Surface'????

Wow you skeptics have to be more open-minded. I think this is possible, but you shouldn't state it so definitely. It's possible, but not concrete.

TeraLink Was Here!

Let's not be silly. No one reading this thread would think that we are referring to some sort of extra-terrestrial or supernatural entity at the bottom of the ocean. The assumption is, if there is a naturally occuring creature in the abyss, that it would follow the same rules that all other natural creatures that have evolved on Earth would. Based on that is where my response came from.

Who am I to say this is the ultimate answer? I am no one. I am a student of science, and as such, I work with what I have. Do I know what is at the bottom of the ocean? No, I do not. Would I be willing to admit to the possibility of an advanced civilization living down there? Sure, but extremely improbable. Personally, I do not believe it, but my belief and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee.

You can speculate about "their own source of energy, food, and resources" all you like, but ultimately, saying "I don't know" is just as good, and saying "It is unlikely because of X" is even better.

my idea was it landed on the terra firma, think i put it in the wrong place amoungst the underwater scenario, sorry )

i dont know were i stand in that debate you have in america over what should be taught in schools, i think they ought to not stamp the term intelligent design on it.. that gives rise to too many preconceptions ..

i think statusism or want for a better word should be examined ..might be better.. or even better no inclination to prove a 'desired' result at all. just the assimmilation of data without recourse to prove an end result that is expected to fufill the fashionable theory .. so more a science that doesnt pre concieved the end result and is unbiased to whether the data shows change or statusism.. .

k. well im ducking out of this one before the big evolution boys descend on me lol