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I have a friend, "Bob," who isn't quite atheist, since he does believe in God, but he says some awful things about God, such as he despites God, he doesn't like Him, etc. Now, I'm concerned for my friend's spiritual life, and my question is: What does a person do or say to commit blasphemy against the holy spirit? Can my friend still be saved if I change his view of God, or has he already fallen beyond saving? Any info would be a big help.
Perhaps he is just finding a different path? 
Yeah.. just let him find what he's looking for. If it's not with your god.. then support him and be his friend no matter what his spiritual path leads him to.
I agree with what Kis said, just because he's disowning YOUR god. Doesn't mean he isn't in blessings with his own "eternal being". If he has one. And saying things like that doesn't sound very athiest, it sounds more agnostic. Anyway, if he doesn't believe in god, then he shouldn't need "saving". Because if he's stout in his disbelief he won't need salvation, since he's come to terms and knows he won't be going anywhere after death. 
Maybe he read the bible, and saw a few too many acts of genocide.
I wouldn't be altogether concerned...there are millions upon millions of people across the world who don't believe in your god (in fact, there are almost certainly more people who don't than there are that do), and are probably currently very worried about YOUR spiritual well being. One more isn't going to hurt.
I wouldn't be altogether concerned...there are millions upon millions of people across the world who don't believe in your god (in fact, there are almost certainly more people who don't than there are that do), and are probably currently very worried about YOUR spiritual well being. One more isn't going to hurt.
Some advice from a fellow believer -
I personally do not think that there is anything that God will not forgive if we repent and believe in Jesus. If you wish to help your friend, the two most important things you can do are:
Pray - This is the first priority in anything Christians do. God answers prayer. Bring "Bob" before God.
and
Just be there for him dude. Don't stop hanging out with him just because he disagrees with your belief (I don't remember the exact statistics, but something like 80% of Christians lose contact with their non-christian friends within 2 years of being converted). Show him the love that Jesus has shown you. You can't do anything about how your friend reacts. That is God's business - remember, you're just the messenger.
Hope this helps. All the best,
I personally do not think that there is anything that God will not forgive if we repent and believe in Jesus. If you wish to help your friend, the two most important things you can do are:
Pray - This is the first priority in anything Christians do. God answers prayer. Bring "Bob" before God.
and
Just be there for him dude. Don't stop hanging out with him just because he disagrees with your belief (I don't remember the exact statistics, but something like 80% of Christians lose contact with their non-christian friends within 2 years of being converted). Show him the love that Jesus has shown you. You can't do anything about how your friend reacts. That is God's business - remember, you're just the messenger.
Hope this helps. All the best,
Your friend is on his way to living his life fully awake, making decisions for himself, some of our greatest avatars at this time have been mad at God, it is a stage many go thru athiesm is the point where we just don't want to believe in a religious God, we would rather take our chances than except a God that is so mean and vengeful and judgemental (I was once Atheist) The people that helped me the most were the people who excepted and loved me anyways, I have since found my way religion is not a part of that path but I no longer hate religion I understand that it is the starting point for God as you grow in God you outgrow religion step away from it because it is no longer of use, Be happy for your friend he has incredible courage, When I stepped away from religion I made room for God to come in, I quit letting others tell me who God was and found out for myself, all the best to you and it sounds like you are a very caring friend Namaste Sheri berri,
Hey Td,
I think your friend hasn't commited the sin yet. But I am not sure.
the def. is- An indignity offered to God in words, writing, or signs; impiously irreverent words or signs addressed to, or used in reference to, God; speaking evil of God; also, the act of claiming the attributes or prerogatives of deity.
But just pray for your friend. He may be angry with God. But I know my mother was angry with God when my brother died and questioned him. I don't know if she said she hated him or not. But God knows your friend and his heart. You will only be able to pray for him. And that is what will take time.
God Bless, 101
I think your friend hasn't commited the sin yet. But I am not sure.
the def. is- An indignity offered to God in words, writing, or signs; impiously irreverent words or signs addressed to, or used in reference to, God; speaking evil of God; also, the act of claiming the attributes or prerogatives of deity.
But just pray for your friend. He may be angry with God. But I know my mother was angry with God when my brother died and questioned him. I don't know if she said she hated him or not. But God knows your friend and his heart. You will only be able to pray for him. And that is what will take time.
God Bless, 101
Wow, you're a good friend. Although it seems you are one of those jesus freaks. Like most people here said, let him follow his own path. If he despises god, he is not an atheist. Last time I remembered, atheists do not believen any religion. And to hate, you have to believe.
Thanks everyone for your opinions. I think I will let him make his own choice, but I will pray for him to make the choice he's most comfortable with.
I think it is great your concerned for your friend TD. I will also pray for "Bob" so he can have guidance. I will pray for you too so you have the right knowledge to share with "Bob".
101
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QUOTE(TaintedDoughnuts @ Jul 1 2005, 10:04 AM)
I have a friend, "Bob," who isn't quite atheist, since he does believe in God, but he says some awful things about God, such as he despites God, he doesn't like Him, etc. Now, I'm concerned for my friend's spiritual life, and my question is: What does a person do or say to commit blasphemy against the holy spirit? Can my friend still be saved if I change his view of God, or has he already fallen beyond saving? Any info would be a big help.
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Donut, the "unforgivable sin" is merely the hardening of the heart. The doctrine of eternal security cannot be taken away from justification through faith. Paul blasphemed day in, day out, infact we have God's word that he did (what did he hear first when he was struck by blindness?). The question isn't "if" he can be saved, it's only on how to help him get saved.
A Jewish man once said, "we can be for God, we can be against God, but we can't be without Him." I love that quote.
I'm also a fellow believer. From what I have studied and understand, your friend has to keep rejecting the Holy Spirit. Not neccessarily yelling or cursing at it. You see, the Holy Spirit gives us the drive to know Jesus. When a person keeps rejecting that, they are rejecting Jesus. Eventually they don't feel the drive anymore. I think it's at that point that the Holy Spirit finally gives a person what he/she wants, "Ok you win, I'll give you your wish and I'll go away forever."
There's not much you can do except pray for him. It's up to Bob if he accepts or rejects the Holy Spirit. It's also up to God if your friend is beyond saving or not.
I'm also a fellow believer. From what I have studied and understand, your friend has to keep rejecting the Holy Spirit. Not neccessarily yelling or cursing at it. You see, the Holy Spirit gives us the drive to know Jesus. When a person keeps rejecting that, they are rejecting Jesus. Eventually they don't feel the drive anymore. I think it's at that point that the Holy Spirit finally gives a person what he/she wants, "Ok you win, I'll give you your wish and I'll go away forever."
There's not much you can do except pray for him. It's up to Bob if he accepts or rejects the Holy Spirit. It's also up to God if your friend is beyond saving or not.
Thank you 101, I really appreciate it 
babyagafamiliar and Cendari, thanks for your views, and I love that quote!
babyagafamiliar and Cendari, thanks for your views, and I love that quote!
People that 'hate God' obviously must believe in His existence to 'hate' Him. People 'hate God' for alot of different reasons. Maybe you should ask him what it is that he thinks God has done/hasn't done to cause such hate. There's always a reason behind hate.
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People that 'hate God' obviously must believe in His existence to 'hate' Him. People 'hate God' for alot of different reasons. Maybe you should ask him what it is that he thinks God has done/hasn't done to cause such hate. There's always a reason behind hate.
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Yes, that's what I planned to do, just have a friendly conversation and ask him why he despises God and get some more info on his view.
A least that will get to the core of the problem.
To be forbidden to criticize, or how you put it- "blasphemise", a spiritual authority like god, is to approach spiritual slavery.
All bodies of power, just because they have power, should be scrutinized and criticized. So according to me, your friend has all the right in the world to say what he likes, when he likes and how he likes it if it has to do with his private life.
All bodies of power, just because they have power, should be scrutinized and criticized. So according to me, your friend has all the right in the world to say what he likes, when he likes and how he likes it if it has to do with his private life.
TD some times people are just mad at GOD they feel he let them down for what ever reason, if he is a good friend try to think about what could have happen in his live to make him feel that way also sometimes people, will not listen until they are ready, if you can let him bring the subject up, them he may be more willing to listen to what you have to say, good luck, ps no one is lost as long as they are still living! 
When Jesus took the sin of the world, He did not get a pardon, He had to die to fulfill Scripture:
(DEUTERONOMY 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the
children, neither shall the children be put to death for the
fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (KJV)
The sins of the world belonged to Jesus, they were His, and they were unpardonable.
There will never come a day when the love of God will not be able to overcome a person's hate for Him. Jesus said to love our enemy that we might be as our Father. HINT.
When Jesus said "It is finished." covering Bob's anger was part of what was completed. Covering unbelief was also finished as God concluded all in unbelief that He might (and did) have mercy on all.
God and Jesus are not pieces of toast that need to be buttered up. God would rather have a person's anger come out at Him, then at another human.
The Holy Spirit never forgives. Many people never forgive a baby for spitting up on them. Same reason, they never took offense. It is the Holy Spirit, not the grudging spirit.
The Holy Spirit has an objective, that is bring people into the knowledge of the love of God. He does not have time to hold grudges. He has work to do. And He does it because He also loves God's creation. Mankind being what all creation was created for. In the Image of God.
Ken
(DEUTERONOMY 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the
children, neither shall the children be put to death for the
fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (KJV)
The sins of the world belonged to Jesus, they were His, and they were unpardonable.
There will never come a day when the love of God will not be able to overcome a person's hate for Him. Jesus said to love our enemy that we might be as our Father. HINT.
When Jesus said "It is finished." covering Bob's anger was part of what was completed. Covering unbelief was also finished as God concluded all in unbelief that He might (and did) have mercy on all.
God and Jesus are not pieces of toast that need to be buttered up. God would rather have a person's anger come out at Him, then at another human.
The Holy Spirit never forgives. Many people never forgive a baby for spitting up on them. Same reason, they never took offense. It is the Holy Spirit, not the grudging spirit.
The Holy Spirit has an objective, that is bring people into the knowledge of the love of God. He does not have time to hold grudges. He has work to do. And He does it because He also loves God's creation. Mankind being what all creation was created for. In the Image of God.
Ken
All you can do for him, is keep him in your prayers.
A person should have the freedom to choose which belief and path they wish to follow.
*Remember - some people do not like to be preached to!
A person should have the freedom to choose which belief and path they wish to follow.
*Remember - some people do not like to be preached to!
TD, the unforgiveable sin is to so harden oneself to Jesus that one will never ask for forgiveness. We cannot know if someone has done this. Our commission is try to share the forgiveness that is offered not to try to figure if someone will never be reached. Usually the fear isn't that a friend may have committed this sin but oneself, for Hebrews says that once one has tasted the heavenly gift and then turned away it is impossible to restore him to repentance. I sure thought I did that once - but there is a simple test for that. If a person can genuinely repent and ask for forgiveness then they have not committed that sin for if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I pray for success with your friend - and not to argue with anyone in this thread, for I wll not respond to rebutalls as that is not my heart here - TD, if Jesus is the only way (and He is - and I think you believe that too) then remember that good intentions pave the way to hell. It may sound tolerant and modern to say that you should let you friend find his "own path" and his "own god" - yet no one would say this if we were talking about other issues such as choosing between easing one's pain in alchohol or seeking medical interention for clinical depression. We would never say "well you know SSRIs have worked for some but my friend has found the Smirnoff path." If you are indeed a Christian, letting your friend simply follow his own path is the most unloving thing you could do. Blessings to you.
The following is not addressed to any previous poster, so please don't take offense.
One of the most heinous sins, but not unforgiveable (there is no such thing to any who believe in a loving god) is to interfere with another's beliefs and to try to shove your religion down their throat when they are happy with their relationship with god. Just like in medicine, there are many different cures, and sometimes more than one version of the same drug, there is only one God and thousands of paths that all lead to god. To proselytize is like trying to make someone change from advil to ibuprofen. It is meaningless, and could hurt in the long run. There is no such thing as "one's own god", just "one's own path" to the same God. All religion boils dwon to three words in the English language "Don't hurt people!" THe rest is gloss and unnecessary. "Don't kill" because it would hurt someone. "Don't commit suicide or overdo drugs or alcohol" because you are someone. "honor your moither and father" because they are people. When people "witness" to someone who already has a path to god, and is not in a hopeless wallow of despair, they are hurting that person. This goes especially to missionaries of any faith, and those annoying pests that knock on your door.
they bring hurt, not help. if they really wanted to help others, they would limit that to providing food, etc., and just letting the others know in the least offensive manner, that they have a path to god, if needed. anything else causes pain. no-one owns god. no religion owns god. if you think your religion is the only true way, then you need to reread your scriptures. Your egotisam actually separates you from god; it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not.Find your own path, and leave others alone, unless they ask. Guess what- most already know God at least as well as you do. anyone can ask God for forgiveness; religion means nothing to God. God loves you. God forgives you, and does not ignore any sincere requests.
One of the most heinous sins, but not unforgiveable (there is no such thing to any who believe in a loving god) is to interfere with another's beliefs and to try to shove your religion down their throat when they are happy with their relationship with god. Just like in medicine, there are many different cures, and sometimes more than one version of the same drug, there is only one God and thousands of paths that all lead to god. To proselytize is like trying to make someone change from advil to ibuprofen. It is meaningless, and could hurt in the long run. There is no such thing as "one's own god", just "one's own path" to the same God. All religion boils dwon to three words in the English language "Don't hurt people!" THe rest is gloss and unnecessary. "Don't kill" because it would hurt someone. "Don't commit suicide or overdo drugs or alcohol" because you are someone. "honor your moither and father" because they are people. When people "witness" to someone who already has a path to god, and is not in a hopeless wallow of despair, they are hurting that person. This goes especially to missionaries of any faith, and those annoying pests that knock on your door.
they bring hurt, not help. if they really wanted to help others, they would limit that to providing food, etc., and just letting the others know in the least offensive manner, that they have a path to god, if needed. anything else causes pain. no-one owns god. no religion owns god. if you think your religion is the only true way, then you need to reread your scriptures. Your egotisam actually separates you from god; it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not.Find your own path, and leave others alone, unless they ask. Guess what- most already know God at least as well as you do. anyone can ask God for forgiveness; religion means nothing to God. God loves you. God forgives you, and does not ignore any sincere requests.
Is that your religious belief?
God can soften the hardest heart.
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God can soften the hardest heart.
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You are correct. In fact sometimes I think the hard-hearted are the more likely - remember Jesus said I would that you were hot or cold, but lukewarm I will vomit out of my mouth.
Dee Dee Warren, you stole my very first avatar! LOL! 
Gotta love the freaky llamaa thingy, eh?
Gotta love the freaky llamaa thingy, eh?
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Dee Dee Warren, you stole my very first avatar! LOL! Gotta love the freaky llamaa thingy, eh?
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that is so funny! we use it all the time at the forum I own (theologyweb.com) but call it the llama of the apocolypse or simply "wierd running thing" -- it is the grin that creeps ya out.
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The following is not addressed to any previous poster, so please don't take offense.
One of the most heinous sins, but not unforgiveable (there is no such thing to any who believe in a loving god) is to interfere with another's beliefs and to try to shove your religion down their throat when they are happy with their relationship with god. Just like in medicine, there are many different cures, and sometimes more than one version of the same drug, there is only one God and thousands of paths that all lead to god. To proselytize is like trying to make someone change from advil to ibuprofen. It is meaningless, and could hurt in the long run. There is no such thing as "one's own god", just "one's own path" to the same God. All religion boils dwon to three words in the English language "Don't hurt people!" THe rest is gloss and unnecessary. "Don't kill" because it would hurt someone. "Don't commit suicide or overdo drugs or alcohol" because you are someone. "honor your moither and father" because they are people. When people "witness" to someone who already has a path to god, and is not in a hopeless wallow of despair, they are hurting that person. This goes especially to missionaries of any faith, and those annoying pests that knock on your door.
they bring hurt, not help. if they really wanted to help others, they would limit that to providing food, etc., and just letting the others know in the least offensive manner, that they have a path to god, if needed. anything else causes pain. no-one owns god. no religion owns god. if you think your religion is the only true way, then you need to reread your scriptures. Your egotism actually separates you from god; it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not.Find your own path, and leave others alone, unless they ask. Guess what- most already know God at least as well as you do. anyone can ask God for forgiveness; religion means nothing to God. God loves you. God forgives you, and does not ignore any sincere requests
One of the most heinous sins, but not unforgiveable (there is no such thing to any who believe in a loving god) is to interfere with another's beliefs and to try to shove your religion down their throat when they are happy with their relationship with god. Just like in medicine, there are many different cures, and sometimes more than one version of the same drug, there is only one God and thousands of paths that all lead to god. To proselytize is like trying to make someone change from advil to ibuprofen. It is meaningless, and could hurt in the long run. There is no such thing as "one's own god", just "one's own path" to the same God. All religion boils dwon to three words in the English language "Don't hurt people!" THe rest is gloss and unnecessary. "Don't kill" because it would hurt someone. "Don't commit suicide or overdo drugs or alcohol" because you are someone. "honor your moither and father" because they are people. When people "witness" to someone who already has a path to god, and is not in a hopeless wallow of despair, they are hurting that person. This goes especially to missionaries of any faith, and those annoying pests that knock on your door.
they bring hurt, not help. if they really wanted to help others, they would limit that to providing food, etc., and just letting the others know in the least offensive manner, that they have a path to god, if needed. anything else causes pain. no-one owns god. no religion owns god. if you think your religion is the only true way, then you need to reread your scriptures. Your egotism actually separates you from god; it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not.Find your own path, and leave others alone, unless they ask. Guess what- most already know God at least as well as you do. anyone can ask God for forgiveness; religion means nothing to God. God loves you. God forgives you, and does not ignore any sincere requests
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Is that your religious belief?
some of us rely on what our hearts and minds tell us. Mine tell me that only a cruel, sadistic, vengeful, hateful "God" could condemn his on children to an eternity of torture. we are all God's children. we were born that way, and don't have to beg membership in yours or anyone else's religion to return to God after our time here is over.
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some of us rely on what our hearts and minds tell us. Mine tell me that only a cruel, sadistic, vengeful, hateful "God" could condemn his on children to an eternity of torture. we are all God's children. we were born that way, and don't have to beg membership in yours or anyone else's religion to return to God after our time here is over.
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Couldn't agree with you more Gideon
I always say you don't need membership in any religion to get to God. Likewise I do not believe in eternal torture
Indeed, very well said.
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QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Jul 5 2005, 10:45 PM)
some of us rely on what our hearts and minds tell us. Mine tell me that only a cruel, sadistic, vengeful, hateful "God" could condemn his on children to an eternity of torture. we are all God's children. we were born that way, and don't have to beg membership in yours or anyone else's religion to return to God after our time here is over.
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Couldn't agree with you more Gideon
I always say you don't need membership in any religion to get to God. Likewise I do not believe in eternal torture
Indeed, very well said.
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So that is indeed your religion. Your religion says that alll have their own path and we shouldn't expect people to have the same beliefs as we do. That being said, you have violated your own rule by telling me that I should not have my religion.
This is some of the most shallow reasoning I have ever heard. I understand this is a paranormal type forum (and I love that subject) but apparently Gideon you seem to think you are a piranha on this subject when in reality you are a big fish in a very small pool (not that that forum is small but it is not dedicated to this purpose). If you really are such a big fish Gideon I challenge you to try some of that tripe over at www.theologyweb.com
I am certain you will beg off and insert one of your typical bigotries. I am not one of the big fish there, but there are some who could easily send you packing.
TD all the best with your friend. If I can be of assistance, PM me or something. I would suggest that you solicit some counsel from more believers as well.
Dee Dee, not sure why you included my name in that post of yours 
. I certainly believe in the God of the Bible and of jesus Christ.
I was pointing out to Gideon that all that he stated in his post was exactly as our God really is - merciful, kind, loving, forgiving......
All the best,
. I certainly believe in the God of the Bible and of jesus Christ.I was pointing out to Gideon that all that he stated in his post was exactly as our God really is - merciful, kind, loving, forgiving......
All the best,
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some of us rely on what our hearts and minds tell us. Mine tell me that only a cruel, sadistic, vengeful, hateful "God" could condemn his on children to an eternity of torture. we are all God's children. we were born that way, and don't have to beg membership in yours or anyone else's religion to return to God after our time here is over.
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Couldn't agree with you more Gideon
I always say you don't need membership in any religion to get to God. Likewise I do not believe in eternal torture
Indeed, very well said.
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So that is indeed your religion. Your religion says that alll have their own path and we shouldn't expect people to have the same beliefs as we do. That being said, you have violated your own rule by telling me that I should not have my religion.
This is some of the most shallow reasoning I have ever heard. I understand this is a paranormal type forum (and I love that subject) but apparently Gideon you seem to think you are a piranha on this subject when in reality you are a big fish in a very small pool (not that that forum is small but it is not dedicated to this purpose). If you really are such a big fish Gideon I challenge you to try some of that tripe over at www.theologyweb.com
I am certain you will beg off and insert one of your typical bigotries. I am not one of the big fish there, but there are some who could easily send you packing.
TD all the best with your friend. If I can be of assistance, PM me or something. I would suggest that you solicit some counsel from more believers as well.
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BFG - it was all directed to Gideon, the quoting system here is unlike other forums and confuses me. However in response to your comment - yes one DOES need membership in a religion to get to God - that religion being "in Christ" - no one can get to the Father except through Him.
Big fish in a small pool? I have no clue what you mean. I have no delusions of grandeur. I am simply expressing my opinion in an open forum.
Definition of Bigot
here is my original quote:
who was i being a bigot against?
I don't respond to flaming threats. sorry, find another scape-goat.
you and your people have been doing it for 2000 years. I sincerely hope your hatred lands you in your own hell.
I specifically meant to offend no-one. sorry if your ego is too big not to take that personally.
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big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Definition of Bigot
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I am certain you will beg off and insert one of your typical bigotries
here is my original quote:
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The following is not addressed to any previous poster, so please don't take offense.
who was i being a bigot against?
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but there are some who could easily send you packing.
I don't respond to flaming threats. sorry, find another scape-goat.
you and your people have been doing it for 2000 years. I sincerely hope your hatred lands you in your own hell.
I specifically meant to offend no-one. sorry if your ego is too big not to take that personally.
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it was all directed to Gideon, the quoting system here is unlike other forums and confuses me. However in response to your comment - yes one DOES need membership in a religion to get to God - that religion being "in Christ" - no one can get to the Father except through Him.
your insulting remarks have been reported to the mods.
I made innocent remarks, and you want to send me to hell. how dare youi?
you don't own God. i specifically said my remarks were not directed at anyone, and you attacked me. read the rules next time. this is not your pitiable forum.
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Jul 5 2005, 02:44 PM)
Big fish in a small pool? I have no clue what you mean. I have no delusions of grandeur. I am simply expressing my opinion in an open forum.
Definition of Bigot
here is my original quote:
who was i being a bigot against?
I don't respond to flaming threats. sorry, find another scape-goat.
you and your people have been doing it for 2000 years. I sincerely hope your hatred lands you in your own hell.
I specifically meant to offend no-one. sorry if your ego is too big not to take that personally.
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big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Definition of Bigot
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I am certain you will beg off and insert one of your typical bigotries
here is my original quote:
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The following is not addressed to any previous poster, so please don't take offense.
who was i being a bigot against?
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but there are some who could easily send you packing.
I don't respond to flaming threats. sorry, find another scape-goat.
you and your people have been doing it for 2000 years. I sincerely hope your hatred lands you in your own hell.
I specifically meant to offend no-one. sorry if your ego is too big not to take that personally.
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I wasn't personally offended - you were meaning to offend a person but a belief system and I showed you the inconsistency of it. As far as bigotry go back to our last exchange and substitue the word "black" or "jew" into your tirades and you would see your bigotry.
And I knew you would beg off. It wasn't a threat (I could be cute and patronizing and link you to the definition of threat) it was a suggestion that you put your tuckus where your mouth is. You begged off, your choice.
And do you know what a scape-goat is because your use of it made absolutely zero sense.
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Thank you 101, I really appreciate it
babyagafamiliar and Cendari, thanks for your views, and I love that quote!
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babyagafamiliar and Cendari, thanks for your views, and I love that quote!
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Your welcome. Keep us posted on everything.
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Jul 5 2005, 02:44 PM)
Big fish in a small pool? I have no clue what you mean. I have no delusions of grandeur. I am simply expressing my opinion in an open forum.
Definition of Bigot
here is my original quote:
who was i being a bigot against?
I don't respond to flaming threats. sorry, find another scape-goat.
you and your people have been doing it for 2000 years. I sincerely hope your hatred lands you in your own hell.
I specifically meant to offend no-one. sorry if your ego is too big not to take that personally.
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big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Definition of Bigot
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I am certain you will beg off and insert one of your typical bigotries
here is my original quote:
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The following is not addressed to any previous poster, so please don't take offense.
who was i being a bigot against?
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but there are some who could easily send you packing.
I don't respond to flaming threats. sorry, find another scape-goat.
you and your people have been doing it for 2000 years. I sincerely hope your hatred lands you in your own hell.
I specifically meant to offend no-one. sorry if your ego is too big not to take that personally.
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Really now - insulting remarks? Shall I go and retrieve your quotes about Christians? My my we are the drama queen. The only "insulting" thing was that I said you spoke bigotry. And I can back that up. All the rest was disagreeing with inconsistent thinking.
I am sorry you are such a volatile person - no need for the mods to care - I said my peace and I will not be back.
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QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Jul 5 2005, 02:44 PM)
Big fish in a small pool? I have no clue what you mean. I have no delusions of grandeur. I am simply expressing my opinion in an open forum.
Definition of Bigot
here is my original quote:
who was i being a bigot against?
I don't respond to flaming threats. sorry, find another scape-goat.
you and your people have been doing it for 2000 years. I sincerely hope your hatred lands you in your own hell.
I specifically meant to offend no-one. sorry if your ego is too big not to take that personally.
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big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Definition of Bigot
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I am certain you will beg off and insert one of your typical bigotries
here is my original quote:
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The following is not addressed to any previous poster, so please don't take offense.
who was i being a bigot against?
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but there are some who could easily send you packing.
I don't respond to flaming threats. sorry, find another scape-goat.
you and your people have been doing it for 2000 years. I sincerely hope your hatred lands you in your own hell.
I specifically meant to offend no-one. sorry if your ego is too big not to take that personally.
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I wasn't personally offended - you were meaning to offend a person but a belief system and I showed you the inconsistency of it. As far as bigotry go back to our last exchange and substitue the word "black" or "jew" into your tirades and you would see your bigotry.
And I knew you would beg off. It wasn't a threat (I could be cute and patronizing and link you to the definition of threat) it was a suggestion that you put your tuckus where your mouth is. You begged off, your choice.
And do you know what a scape-goat is because your use of it made absolutely zero sense.
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I have also reported this post, and will not respond to further insults, other than reporting them.
Dee Dee
For the first comment. This site is not dedicated to any one religion it has many and the mere act of telling people that to get to Heaven they Must accept Christ is considered hostile.
I consider it hostile. We also often use the term prosyletise when struck by this sort of comment. I will not give up my religion because someone told me I would burn in hell otherwise. Or disapear into eternity or what ever is supposed to happen to people who don't hold a 'Christ' ticket when they die.
I'm sure you would be un-impressed if I told you that Pan would chase you through 11 life cycles around the sun if you don't turn to the ways of nature.
I see you run your own site, I'm pleased for you, I would be one of the heathens (as you refer to them) if I posted there. I don't agrue with people who insist on using Bible quotes, they may believe they have torn me down with evidence and fact but would they feel the same if I used a book on Wicca as evidence . I doubt it.
Gideon did not as far as I can see segregate any-one group of people, however your posts have had quite a sharp edge to them, wouldn't you agree.
Your comments and queries to my post are welcome. But please do not call posters biggot's and or prosyletise while at U.M.
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yes one DOES need membership in a religion to get to God - that religion being "in Christ" - no one can get to the Father except through Him.
comments like that, and calling some one a Bigot or hoping they will go to Hell are unacceptable at U.M.For the first comment. This site is not dedicated to any one religion it has many and the mere act of telling people that to get to Heaven they Must accept Christ is considered hostile.
I consider it hostile. We also often use the term prosyletise when struck by this sort of comment. I will not give up my religion because someone told me I would burn in hell otherwise. Or disapear into eternity or what ever is supposed to happen to people who don't hold a 'Christ' ticket when they die.
I'm sure you would be un-impressed if I told you that Pan would chase you through 11 life cycles around the sun if you don't turn to the ways of nature.
I see you run your own site, I'm pleased for you, I would be one of the heathens (as you refer to them) if I posted there. I don't agrue with people who insist on using Bible quotes, they may believe they have torn me down with evidence and fact but would they feel the same if I used a book on Wicca as evidence . I doubt it.
Gideon did not as far as I can see segregate any-one group of people, however your posts have had quite a sharp edge to them, wouldn't you agree.
Your comments and queries to my post are welcome. But please do not call posters biggot's and or prosyletise while at U.M.
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Dee Dee
For the first comment. This site is not dedicated to any one religion it has many and the mere act of telling people that to get to Heaven they Must accept Christ is considered hostile.
I consider it hostile. We also often use the term prosyletise when struck by this sort of comment. I will not give up my religion because someone told me I would burn in hell otherwise. Or disapear into eternity or what ever is supposed to happen to people who don't hold a 'Christ' ticket when they die.
I'm sure you would be un-impressed if I told you that Pan would chase you through 11 life cycles around the sun if you don't turn to the ways of nature.
I see you run your own site, I'm pleased for you, I would be one of the heathens (as you refer to them) if I posted there. I don't agrue with people who insist on using Bible quotes, they may believe they have torn me down with evidence and fact but would they feel the same if I used a book on Wicca as evidence . I doubt it.
Gideon did not as far as I can see segregate any-one group of people, however your posts have had quite a sharp edge to them, wouldn't you agree.
Your comments and queries to my post are welcome. But please do not call posters biggot's and or prosyletise while at U.M.
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yes one DOES need membership in a religion to get to God - that religion being "in Christ" - no one can get to the Father except through Him.
comments like that, and calling some one a Bigot or hoping they will go to Hell are unacceptable at U.M.For the first comment. This site is not dedicated to any one religion it has many and the mere act of telling people that to get to Heaven they Must accept Christ is considered hostile.
I consider it hostile. We also often use the term prosyletise when struck by this sort of comment. I will not give up my religion because someone told me I would burn in hell otherwise. Or disapear into eternity or what ever is supposed to happen to people who don't hold a 'Christ' ticket when they die.
I'm sure you would be un-impressed if I told you that Pan would chase you through 11 life cycles around the sun if you don't turn to the ways of nature.
I see you run your own site, I'm pleased for you, I would be one of the heathens (as you refer to them) if I posted there. I don't agrue with people who insist on using Bible quotes, they may believe they have torn me down with evidence and fact but would they feel the same if I used a book on Wicca as evidence . I doubt it.
Gideon did not as far as I can see segregate any-one group of people, however your posts have had quite a sharp edge to them, wouldn't you agree.
Your comments and queries to my post are welcome. But please do not call posters biggot's and or prosyletise while at U.M.
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I am taking your last sentence as permission to publicly address your view as moderator. Many sites do not allow - now first for my use of the "b" word - are comments like this:
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awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
poor little xian says i am "dumb" when he is hurt-that's right up there with "my god will beat up your god"
why didn't you just say that, you immature moron..
poor little xian says i am "dumb" when he is hurt-that's right up there with "my god will beat up your god"
why didn't you just say that, you immature moron..
for which GM was rebuked by a moderator, but then he comes on with (after I made only ONE post in which he misrepresented my site - and the assumption he used to misrep it further showed his "b" - as does this gem:
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This is a wonderful website intended for the education of uniformed jews against the barrage of xianity being shoved down their throats for 2000 years. Xians are welcome. Ususlly they say really stupid, uninfored things.
Now throw in any other group for Xian in that sentence and everyone would be crying the b-word.
So GM misrepresented a proveable fact and when asked why he thought that, responded with a "b" comment against Christians. My first post was simply to correct misinformation, it wasn't aggressive or insulting and what you just read above was GM's first post to me. Something is rotten in Denmark.
Secondly, you are basically saying being a Christian is fine as long as you don't think Jesus is the only way to God. That is nonsensical. That is the equivalent of saying I think it is cool you keep kosher as long as you eat ham.
If GM can hurl "b" like that in his very first post to a new member who just asked a question on an outright falsehood that GM told, and you are going to demand that Christians not say what Christians believe because it "offends you" - then I look forward to the prompt deletion of my account.
This is like an episode of the Twilight Zone.
Oh and us ignorant hell-mongering Christians at theologyweb are not the belief police - you can pretty much advocate anything you want within some very broad boundaries. Yep even you heathens. You Kismit would probably handle yourself well as you speak with maturity, GM would get the proverbial spanking of his life from us ignorant dimwits.
and no worries I will not be back. I do not wish to make your job as a moderator any harder than it already is. I wish your forum well and should you ever want to experience a Christian owned forum which is likely different than any you have been on you will be welcome. I am unsubscribing from these threads - peace
Thank you for pointing out GM's posts, I was actually un aware of them, you are free to choose which sites you wish to but i would like to adress this on a more personal level.
So you can think it is the only way, you are free to feel it is the only way, but when you express that it is infact the only way, you alienate alot of good people with good moral standards who's religious beliefs are as valid as your own.
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Secondly, you are basically saying being a Christian is fine as long as you don't think Jesus is the only way to God.
No, what I am saying is that this is not a Christian based site, people are free to believe the way they want to, and I'm sure you allow that at your site. But this one particular Christian view is hostile and does not allow for others to feel free in there choices and beliefs. It is the only downfall in Christianity as far as I can see, but it is sadly still accepted as something that is done with good intentions. And we know where good intentions lead to.So you can think it is the only way, you are free to feel it is the only way, but when you express that it is infact the only way, you alienate alot of good people with good moral standards who's religious beliefs are as valid as your own.
my friend first said he was a buddhist (he was originally a catholic) then he says that there is no god... i bet it is just some phase... especially since this kid is only 12..
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my friend first said he was a buddhist (he was originally a catholic) then he says that there is no god... i bet it is just some phase... especially since this kid is only 12..
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The buddish religion do not believe in god but rather individual determentation to reach enligthment.
I think that sinning against God when you realy aren't sure there is one is not as bad as sinning against God when you know there is one.
I also believe that God is devine love. So, we know that when we love some one that deeply we will forgive them for about anything. Therefore God will do the same.
I also believe that God is devine love. So, we know that when we love some one that deeply we will forgive them for about anything. Therefore God will do the same.
The bible is quite clear, there is only one unforgivable sin.It is at the end time for any of the "elect" to refuse the holy spirit to talk thru them.Everything else is forgivable.As for hardening your heart again christ,,if you dont come around before you die you will have time to be schooled after.-usdi Agaluga
What does it mean to sin?
What does it mean to be forgiven?
We can leave God out of the equation because to answer these two will reveal the nature of the unforgiveable.
To sin is to miss the mark.
To be forgiven. Having missed the mark, have another shot.
So in what way can the mark be missed and the possibility of another shot be null and void.
Simple - you say you didn't miss the mark.....even though....in your heart of hearts.....you........know.
See, no need for God....in the argument.
What does it mean to be forgiven?
We can leave God out of the equation because to answer these two will reveal the nature of the unforgiveable.
To sin is to miss the mark.
To be forgiven. Having missed the mark, have another shot.
So in what way can the mark be missed and the possibility of another shot be null and void.
Simple - you say you didn't miss the mark.....even though....in your heart of hearts.....you........know.
See, no need for God....in the argument.
I do Know There Is only One Unforgivable sin. Suicide which is due to the fact that after it has been comitted it cannot be repented. 
QUOTE(TaintedDoughnuts @ Jul 1 2005, 03:04 AM)
I have a friend, "Bob," who isn't quite atheist, since he does believe in God, but he says some awful things about God, such as he despites God, he doesn't like Him, etc. Now, I'm concerned for my friend's spiritual life, and my question is: What does a person do or say to commit blasphemy against the holy spirit? Can my friend still be saved if I change his view of God, or has he already fallen beyond saving? Any info would be a big help.
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first of all dont get pissed at him for cursing God or being disrespectful towards christianity, it will make him go into defence mode
and the more your there for him the more he will relize he can trust you and he will be able to trust what you say and not think its some b.s.
also dont try to get him to believe or make him see all the time, it will only make him more angry with God and more than likeley annoiyed
the most powerful thing u have as a christian is being a "romodel" if u will
when something happens keep a positive adittude, let him know u have a happy life because of your faith, because its a better life to lead and because you can trust God, sounds kinda weird i guess but it really works, have a positive mentality, eventually it will rub off on him
the more you influence him the more he will see things about you he wish he had as far as spiritually, being happy, leading a solid, stable life and he'll see, be pacient, i dont care how long its taken already or going to take.....
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