what do you think about Robert Schoch theory's that the sphinx is much older than once thought, Schoch said it could even date back to pre-dynastic period! I look forward to what everyone thinks!

Oddly enough, I've just gotten hold of Schoch's book Voyages of the Pyramid Builders which contains a detailed appendix about the age of the sphinx.

I do think it dates to pre dynastic times, and was repaired and repainted by the Egyptians. Exactly who originally carved it, and when, I'm not yet sure. Though I do know someone who thinks it was the Sumerians and certainly a date of 3,500bce or so might be sufficent to account for the water erosion features.

btw any one know where I can get detailed meteorological data for the Giza plateau dating back to 4,000bce?

Anyone we all might know! ha!ha!

I dont know to much about his theory could you fill me in?

lol ok
wanna step outside ?
In short
the Sphinx has signs of rainwater erosion on its top surfaces.
Giza was last wet in 7000-3500bce
egypt was founded in 3100bce
So the sphinx predates the egyptian culture and therefore isn't itself egyptian.
The egyptians themselves claim they dug it up and remodelled it on their pharoah Khufu and there is a hieroglyph tablet saying that attached to the front of the sphinx in 2500bce.
Orthodox Egyptologists of course say that Khufu built all of it. Even though he says he didn't and lets face it he should bloody well know.
So the sphinx with its rainwater eroded back must be from at the very least 3500bce and at the oldest about 4500bce otherwise the damage would be worse.
There was of course a high civilisation of Master masons living right next door to egypt at the right time (from 5000bce to 2000bce) and with the motivation to build the sphinx which in fact is an animal from their mythology. But that would be far too logical an answer right ?
and if it panned out it may lead to the Sphinx being dismantled and moved to downtown Baghad in the land of its Genesis.

More like 10,500 BCE according to the Sleeping Phophet Edgar Cayce, and the water erosion of the Sphinx's body. Some claim the Sphinx originally had the head of a lion, which would correspond to many statues of lions in eygptian culture. It was later craved another head and designed to resemble a Pharaoh, painted and restored.

that is true but Cayce also thought he was RA -TA in his last life i do not but much face value in any thing Cayce believed, not one thing of his has ever really been proven.

http://robertschoch.net/Forum/index.php?showtopic=348

I think it has already been proved that it is far older than the other structures at Giza. I'm sure it was a Dutch Geologist, and he said they could date to as far back as 10,000b.c., but whether he was just saying that to correspond with Graham Hancock I don't know.

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Oddly enough, I've just gotten hold of Schoch's book Voyages of the Pyramid Builders which contains a detailed appendix about the age of the sphinx.

I do think it dates to pre dynastic times, and was repaired and repainted by the Egyptians. Exactly who originally carved it, and when, I'm not yet sure. Though I do know someone who thinks it was the Sumerians and certainly a date of 3,500bce or so might be sufficent to account for the water erosion features.


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wasnt there a sumerian diety half lion and half man? if i remember correctly this maybe true. or at least a civilization that was a fore runner (or however you spell it) for the sumerians

No. There was no Sphinx god in Sumeria
The god Enlil's animal was the sphinx, as a living image of him it bore his bearded face.
The Sumerian civilisation began in 5000bce
The Egyptian civilisation began in 3200bce
And yet. Egypt is regarded as the higher culture.
seems a bit silly if you ask me when the sumerians were building these

2000 years before the Egyptians were building these


In other words dating the sphinx to before the egyptian civilisation does not make it an impossible sculpture.
There was a high civilisation of masons in the area from 5000bce onwards.
Robert Schoch's latest date agrees with that scenario.
Zahi Hawass doesn't

I bet aliens helped the sumerians build that temple

Seriously though thats an impressive building, what is it called

Its a Ziggurat
Heres one that still survives today

despite the fact that it was bombed by the Americans, accidentally

oh yeh "accidently" . looks amazing though!

http://www.geocities.com/dolph322000/buildings.html
more info on Ancient world buildings here

Ziggurat og Ur just looks ultra cool, and the pyramid of the magician is looks sweet as pie

We got ancient structures from before 3000 bc in England as well you know buddy
Some just as impressive as anything at Giza or the Meso's

i know. i really should go visit. i cant make the excuse that i dont have money for a flight can i

well if you do don't forget to visit

white horse hill, and

uffington castle, and

dragon hill, and

avebury circle, and

stonehenge, which were all built by the same race of people in a 40 mile north south line from salisbury plain in wiltshire to uffington in oxfordshire.
They all date from 3200bce.

this stone called the swindon stone is part of the avebury circle and it weighs more than any block on the giza plateau. and it was bought more than 300 miles.
That means that the technology used to move it was 700 years in advance of anything seen in egypt. which didn't exist when it was placed in the circle.
Make sure you take sandwhiches and plenty to drink.

what about the giant chalk man. forgot him

He's not in that line.

duh i know that but still be cool to go see it

http://www.geocities.com/dolph322000/figures.html

The 10,500 bce date make the most sense in that it correlates perfectly with the alinement of the constellation of Leo on the southern horizon..The sphinx faces the constellation as it rises.Marking the period of influence of Leo.-usdi Agaluga

Yeah but
1. The sphinx isn't a lion
2. Nobody in the ancient world saw Leo as a lion.
3. There was nobody on earth building stone monuments on earth at that time
4. Nobody on earth at that time knew enough about astronomy to say what a constellation was.
but apart from that sure, the 10,500 bce date makes the most sense

Which presupposes that, had they been around in the age of Cancer, they'd have carved a giant crab instead......... And how would they have commemorated the age of aquarius?

In other words, how convenient that they happened to divide the sky into the same constellation as we do, and just by chance lived in the age of Leo, allowing them to carve a nice, simple, lion instead of a complicated archer or pair of scales.....

I think my reply was better !!!
you ?

p.s. you missed franky and benjy in the advanced races thread.

You can not ignore the influence of constellations on cultures.Look what the Egyptians did with Orion.-usdi Agaluga

giza pyramids in orions belt?
i dont think so.

They didn't do anything with orion.
Throw three pebbles on teh ground and go buy yourself a star map.
The pyramids were built in 2500bce. what happened in the 8000 years between the 10,500 sphinx and the pyramids ?
Someone's been reading fingerprints of the gods obviously

Smoke jaguar which researcher do you think is closest to the money on this subject,
you clearly don't think Robert Schoch is right.
who do you side with ?

Schoch is not alone;geologist, David Coxill and Colin Reader, have also confirmed this hypothesis,

the sphinx was carved out of a rock quarry, it was carved to face the rising sun, any constellations would have moved through time...and would have been a coincidence...it is not necessarily accurate to date the age of the sphinx by water erosion, since the entire sculpture was carved out of the existing landscape...the bedrock has been there for 50 million years, some erosion could have been there before the carving. if you wanted to...you could conclude that "parts" of the sphinx are 50 million years old.
but it could be possible, that the quarry had been there, and had been used to build other structures for some time, prior to the egyptians deciding to build the pyramids next to it, and finally, to carve the sphinx in the process.

anyways...interesting thread...

here is a link to some info about the sphinx:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/sphinx1.htm

Robert Schoch has done a great deal of research on this subject, he and Collins are the leader's when it comes to the true date of the Sphinx's,

Here is a great on line Mag, they both do wonderful articles here.


http://subrosa.dailygrail.com/

According to some scientists the Pyramids were A. not built by humans but B. built by humans. Actually the stones were not carved but made out of liquid stone similar to our concrete today.

The traditional explanation of rolling stones over palm trees is wrong. As the star constellation seemed to have been somewhat different, the age can be predated to at least 65.000 BC. Actually the series Stargate which is very thoroughly researched states also a similar date. Sphinx was a creature, and originally has a different meaning.
Actually pyramids are used as energy center, and also travel to other dimensions. People who sleep in pyramids sometimes encounter special magick, other beings, and life forms. Certain energy is manifested and after all I believe pyramids were not originally designed by humans but were used as former means of travel.
There are huge underground areas and tunnels which is logical as the pyramids must go down deep into the ground, 1. because of the age, 2. because of the moving sand around it to get some stability. The pyramid is just the tip of an iceberg. That is why many secret services mainly from the USA and Britain have sealed off the area to find out what there truly is. There are some nice books about it.

Hi welcome to Um glad to have you here. Could you please tell me where you got all this from it's wrong, but i am open minded, so i'd like to here more from you.

And please don't tell me Icke or Hancock or Daniken, cause those guys are a joke..

Daniken is very good, unfortunately he occasionally knows too little on the other side he knew too much. Allegedly the secret service kicked his butt to discredit him, that was after the 80s. I grew up reading his stuff in normal general family magazines in Germany. He was very popular and highly recognized here. The problem is that some Governments were scared of his findings so that is why a huge project was started to kick him.

I google a lot, and research various articles in the internet and compare those with my own thoughts and what I have read. Icke has the wrong approach. I have only read a bunch of lines of his findings, it was his site I read about Princess Diana thinking The Queen is a reptilian. That is why I dislike him because even if she really talked to him, and although she is dead, he should have kept his mouth shut.

However there is much more too it though :-(

Myself I am a counsellor / therapist. I also deal with victims of close encounters / mind control. Unfortunately I myself belong to this group - but some mind chatterers are nice :-) Because of this I started to investigate a lot myself. There is a book called Stargate conspiracy which is pretty good, it tells about the pyramids and some German books, tell similar stories. Sphinx was a creature, like some of the so-called Gods who were not any but creatures, and likely victim to genetic experiments in the past from maybe out-of-space.

The Bible itself is no real holy scripture but can be taken literally - word for word. In the section wisdom the writers even say that many of those beings were created by mankind. Unfortunately many think that there is something holy too it and it only spoke in metaphers. I think the reason why, it is too hard to understand that some sci-fi-stuff could be really true and happening in the past. If I continue about this, I will likely end up writing a book.

On a German abduct site I read that allegedly CIA (forgot the name of the book though) had a similar lab where they tried to "build" some of those creatures again. But the lab was supposedly closed due to the horror. A bit like under-earth Jurrassic Park.

Sphinx' originally meaning is spanx: That who greats life. (source: scientific magazine: p.m. / Germany)

Stargate series is well researched, I saw a documentary, they talked to many scientists and paleo-seti-researchers, exo-biologist/astrologists, ufo-researchers, and due to my work I became a "researcher" myself looking for clues and to see what is viable and what not.

Even before Aztecs there used to be stargate (the round thing), and as the spanx was likely there to impress the visitors coming from space (that who greats life), I believe there was a huge stargate in front of it. Azects = Tetzcoatllipoca = the smoking mirror. Smoke came out and used to reflect stuff due to the high energy. Beings came out of nowhere. (smoking mirror ---> like the series stargate where the energy is flushed out like smoke).

You can also research for the word Oroborus (several different writings like oroborous). This was a round thing, often thought to be spiritual. But actually this is used for traveling or transcending through time and space. If you look for pictures, either google for for stories or check out google pictures.

Pyramids are known for their energy powers and lines, and some believe some form of travel / real or astral travel to other destination is possible from there to other pyramids (maybe sirius / mars) this would A. explain the intelligence operations from the "official" kind, and other money-driven organisations and super-millionaires.

Myself I thought about either 13.000 BC +going backwards 24.000 years +++ due to star constellation. I took the series stargate as the hint, as they seemed to have used the Egyptian one. However not sure about that.

Liquid stone: "Gods, Demon and UFOs", 1970 by Eric Norman.

Daniken made it up as he went along.

Stargate, believe it or not, is a science fiction program. It's not real! You'll be telling us you believe in Klingons and Jabba the Hutt next

There are no large tunnels or caves under the Giza plateau, although, being limestone, there are numerous smaller, natural, fissures etc. Unless, of course, your saying geologists know nothing about geology?

And, far from sealing off the area, the only thing the Americans have done is built a MacDonalds. Right next to the sphinx!

Thank-you Essan, Its good to see someone here still has some brain's and common sense!

Man we really need Marduk back!

I have read a book of Graham Hancock, where says the Sphinx was made around the years 10970 - 8810 before christ, under the name of Horajty (meaning: Horus from the horizon) So, that name was given to the Leo's constellation. According with E. A. Wallis Budge, Horus means "face" so the logic name is "face of the horizon". Old symbols says that the egyptian calls with the name Horajty to the planet mars, to the east, so, the name of the sphinx is "Mars of the horizon". The age of Leo dates the year 10970, most of researchers holds the theory that Mars was "killed" around this year ^^

That's new to me. Care to elaborate? Do you mean that Mars suffered some sort of cataclysmic event just 13 thousand years ago?

Hancock & Bauval's theories about the sphinx depend on the assumption that the sphinx was originally a lion and that the hypothetical inhabitants of the Giza plateau saw the constellation we call Leo also as being a lion and expected people in 10,000 years time to also see it as a lion. Personally I'd split the constellation up and call the front part 'The Sickle'.......

Beyond all these assumptions, there is actually no evidence for such an early date whatsoever....

Edit: Oh and welcome to the forum Bleak Don't be afraid to ask questions, don't believe everything you read and you should get on fine

There's always one fruitloop in these types of threads...

Makes for amusing readind though!