No offence, but I would never resort to anything unatural to improve my brain-power.
Good ol' learning never hurt anyone!
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QUOTE(jessicalawes11 @ Jul 14 2005, 06:07 PM)
No offence, but I would never resort to anything unatural to improve my brain-power.
Good ol' learning never hurt anyone!
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Do anyone here drink coffee or smoke? ( nicotine and caffeine both stimulate the mind to make it sharper but come with side effects and the drugs or supps i mentioned don't! )
I assume that some people here do one of these things atleast... and has said 'no' to ever using such a drug to enhance their mental capacity.
Isnt that odd? A person here would take something that damages their health but not something that only has enhancing and benificial effects?
You crazy people
QUOTE(whoa182 @ Jul 14 2005, 07:11 PM)
Do anyone here drink coffee or smoke?
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Heh! I can honestly say I don't!
I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with it - By all means, take the drugs. I won't judge you.
But it's just my two cents.
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heres something about the whole argument that its not " natural "
Is Vinpocetine natural?
If natural means produced by nature, safe, and without side effects, then vinpocetine is as natural a substance as can be obtained.
here is some research compiled http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&...t=0&#entry69644
I've started to take it and no side affects at all so far
Is Vinpocetine natural?
If natural means produced by nature, safe, and without side effects, then vinpocetine is as natural a substance as can be obtained.
here is some research compiled http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&...t=0&#entry69644
I've started to take it and no side affects at all so far
I don't need drugs. Just a new brain. 
I been taking vinpocetine for a few weeks now and they are working great! Things that I have noticed significant improvements in are:
Awareness
able to concentrate better for longer periods
Easier to Recall information / memories
Vinpocetine effect on Sleeping / Dreaming !
another thing I have been noticing since taking Vinpocetine is that I am able to remember a few of my dreams everynight! Before taking vinpo I could rarely ever remember the dreams I had. I now remember the dreams I have everynight and I still remember them weeks later very clearly! ! !
Vinpocetine seems to have worked.
Additional supps I take are:
Cod Liver Oil or Fish Oil - Vitamin A - D - E - Omega 3 DHA / EPA 2800mg
B Complex 100% RDA
Vitamin C 500mg 800% + RDA
Green Tea Extract and/or Green tea drink 2 - 5 a day
Coenzyme Q10
Whey Protein
I also practise CRON ( calorie restriction with optimal nutrition ) thats mainly why I supplement aswell as eat very healthy food, mostly plant foods and fish.
All these may be contributing factors to an improvement but I definitly noticed an improvement after a few days of taking Vinpocetine. I might stop taking them to see if I notice any different such as 'brain fog' while being off them for a few days. I'm thinking about adding ginko too. Research shows that vinpo and ginko are great together.
Awareness
able to concentrate better for longer periods
Easier to Recall information / memories
Vinpocetine effect on Sleeping / Dreaming !
another thing I have been noticing since taking Vinpocetine is that I am able to remember a few of my dreams everynight! Before taking vinpo I could rarely ever remember the dreams I had. I now remember the dreams I have everynight and I still remember them weeks later very clearly! ! !
Vinpocetine seems to have worked.
Additional supps I take are:
Cod Liver Oil or Fish Oil - Vitamin A - D - E - Omega 3 DHA / EPA 2800mg
B Complex 100% RDA
Vitamin C 500mg 800% + RDA
Green Tea Extract and/or Green tea drink 2 - 5 a day
Coenzyme Q10
Whey Protein
I also practise CRON ( calorie restriction with optimal nutrition ) thats mainly why I supplement aswell as eat very healthy food, mostly plant foods and fish.
All these may be contributing factors to an improvement but I definitly noticed an improvement after a few days of taking Vinpocetine. I might stop taking them to see if I notice any different such as 'brain fog' while being off them for a few days. I'm thinking about adding ginko too. Research shows that vinpo and ginko are great together.
understanding how the brain works is the first step then you can do whatever you want with drugs but when the sideeffects kick in or it screws you up just remember its your falt
porsonaly i prefer inproving my brain by my self
(our brains are good enough its just our conection to the diffrent areas of the brain wich need inproving ie our memorie is fine its just conecting to that part of the brain wich needs "help")
oh and thinking can inprove the brain! if you ask me its better than taking drugs if you know how.
porsonaly i prefer inproving my brain by my self
(our brains are good enough its just our conection to the diffrent areas of the brain wich need inproving ie our memorie is fine its just conecting to that part of the brain wich needs "help")
oh and thinking can inprove the brain! if you ask me its better than taking drugs if you know how.
QUOTE(JLR @ Jul 31 2005, 01:25 PM)
understanding how the brain works is the first step then you can do whatever you want with drugs but when the sideeffects kick in or it screws you up just remember its your falt
porsonaly i prefer inproving my brain by my self
(our brains are good enough its just our conection to the diffrent areas of the brain wich need inproving ie our memorie is fine its just conecting to that part of the brain wich needs "help")
oh and thinking can inprove the brain! if you ask me its better than taking drugs if you know how.
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porsonaly i prefer inproving my brain by my self
(our brains are good enough its just our conection to the diffrent areas of the brain wich need inproving ie our memorie is fine its just conecting to that part of the brain wich needs "help")
oh and thinking can inprove the brain! if you ask me its better than taking drugs if you know how.
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You couldn't be more wrong. Everything you eat and drink effects your brain in someway. If you don't have enough DHA then your brain will not develop properly. Nutrients improve your *ABILITY to learn*. Meaning without proper nutirents or help from herbs like Vinpo it can be much harder to concentrate and learn. I assure you that if a drug enables you to concentrate better then you WILL learn more! It's quite simple to understand really.
The brain has a flaw the brain does not store Glucose, so it would be be like trying to drive a car without a tank for fuel. Vinpo improves the brains usage of glucose and oxygen.
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understanding how the brain works is the first step then you can do whatever you want with drugs but when the sideeffects kick in or it screws you up just remember its your falt
maybe its you that don't understand!. I know a basic understanding of the human brain to know how this drug effects the brain because I have done the research that has been done over the past 30 years!. The drug has no bad side effects ever reported and is used all over the world. It actually PROTECTS the brain from free radicals which cause age related problems!
Here an example of its protective effects
Mice not given vinpocetine had a stroke and had damage to 70% of their brain cells
Mice given vinpocetine only had 30% damage
QUOTE(Socrates @ Jul 3 2005, 10:38 PM)
Personally, I would rather keep my intelligence and thought as natural, innate and un-tampered-with as possible.
Is intelligence driven by drugs really anything to be proud of?
These drugs may affect our thought processors, but what good can they really do? Ultimately, intelligence is beyond brain tissue and drugs; all substance. It is fabricational developement over time through experience, critical thoughts and insight driven by our own creative minds that spark intelligence, not drugs.
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Is intelligence driven by drugs really anything to be proud of?
These drugs may affect our thought processors, but what good can they really do? Ultimately, intelligence is beyond brain tissue and drugs; all substance. It is fabricational developement over time through experience, critical thoughts and insight driven by our own creative minds that spark intelligence, not drugs.
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So exactly why would you think that intelligence is something to be proud of in any event? It is something people are born with, not acquired, not earned in some way, so what is to be proud of? Nothing anyone ever did to make themselves more intelligent. More knowledgable, certainly, but not more intelligent.
The thing is, you might really need the smart tablets because you can't read the toxic warning on the side of the damn packet!
I assure you, anything that mucks with your brain can't be good for you...
I assure you, anything that mucks with your brain can't be good for you...
i agree
if you were realy intelegent you would not take them
because the side effects could still do some thing without you knowing and when something dose happen that you notice its your brain not mine so go ahead
if they realy do work why arnt they addvitised and distributed more?
if you were realy intelegent you would not take them
because the side effects could still do some thing without you knowing and when something dose happen that you notice its your brain not mine so go ahead
if they realy do work why arnt they addvitised and distributed more?
if it was soo good why isnt it addvitised more?
affter all it seems prity profitable.
affter all it seems prity profitable.
QUOTE(Replacement100 @ Aug 1 2005, 11:54 AM)
The thing is, you might really need the smart tablets because you can't read the toxic warning on the side of the damn packet!
I assure you, anything that mucks with your brain can't be good for you...
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I assure you, anything that mucks with your brain can't be good for you...
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Wheres that 165 IQ of yours?
There are plenty of things 'mucks' with your brain. You just might not have realized it
Sugar
Caffein ( coffee )
Vitamin C
magensium
Some of the Vitamin B's
Fish
They are just a few!
lots of Sugar has a negative effect on the brain and slows down your brain and increases damage and aging.
Caffein is a brain stimulant but only short lived
Vitamin C protects the brain
magesium improves cognitive function
some Vitamin B's protect as antioxidants and are cruicial for proper brain function
Fish ( omega 3 epa / dha ) Extremely important for development and mood and intelligence. Its mind altering.
Vinpocetine toxicity
Vinpocetine has no toxicity effects whatsoever. Recommended daily dose is at around 15mg - 40 mg per day. Studies have shown that long periods of 160mg per day is also non toxic and extremely safe!
Vinpocetine sold over the counter in shops
Infact, vinpocetine has such a good record and safety that it is sold over the counter in shops without prescription
here is some information on vinpocetine
http://www.aor.ca/proddetail.asp?prod_id=160&exec_sum=summ
Once again, VINPOCETINE PROTECTS THE BRAIN from free radicals that damage your brain that create problems.
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if it was soo good why isnt it addvitised more?
affter all it seems prity profitable.
affter all it seems prity profitable.
They are advertised and are growing extremely fast. They also bring in a lot of money already.
Heres a bbc article on it
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4678895.stm
Brain-boost drugs 'to be common'
Healthy people, including children, might one day take drugs to boost their intelligence, scientists predict. The think-tank Foresight, outlined the scenario in an independent report looking at potential developments over the next 20 years.
Could brain-boosting drugs become 'as common as coffee'?
Such "cognitive enhancers" could become as "common as coffee", they suggest.
Scientists did not rule out children taking exams facing drug tests, as sportsmen do, to see if any have taken 'performance enhancing substances'.
The report was compiled by 50 experts, who set out their predictions for the next two decades.
More consideration
Some drugs are already known to aid mental performance. Ritalin, now prescribed to children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), has already been used by some students to improve their performance in exams.
Modafinil, used now to treat sleep disorders, has been shown to help people remember numbers more effectively.
It can also make people think more carefully before making decisions.
There is also a type of molecule called ampakins, which enhance the way some chemical receptors in the brain work, suggesting drugs could be developed to improve people's memory when they are tired.
The Foresight report states: "In a world that is increasingly non-stop and competitive, the individual's use of such substances may move from the fringe to the norm, with cognition enhancers used as coffee is today".
But the availability of such drugs would open up a range of social and ethical questions, including whether it should be permitted for people to use them to gain advantage over others.
How they should be monitored would also be an issue.
Regulation
Scientists said it could raise issues about what substances children undertaking exams could use.
Professor Trevor Robbins, of the Department of Experimental Psychology at the University of Cambridge, who helped compile the report, said: "No one minds very much about people taking vitamins to make them do a little bit better.
"But taking a natural, or unnatural, substance in exams might cause some ethical problems along the lines that we have in sport."
Professor Gerry Stimson, an expert in the sociology of health behaviour at Imperial College London, who also helped compile the report, said: "Would this be putting people at a fair advantage, or an unfair advantage?
"It is permitted to take drugs for therapeutic reasons, but you would need a regulatory framework for well people."
But the scientists say the drugs could become commonplace.
Professor Robbins said: "You have to look 20 years into the future.
"It's possible that these new drugs will be the new coffee, if you like, and taken by a broad range of individuals."
The report also looks at potential for vaccines against addictions to nicotine or cocaine, which would offer treatments for addicts by blocking the effects of the drug in the body.
It also looked at the potential for drugs to treat or delay the progress of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases.
Sir David King, chief scientific advisor to the government, who oversaw the project, said "By examining challenging issues, such as brain science and addiction, scientists can help inform the government and others by building a strong scientific evidence base.
"This will provide the best platform to help us prepare for the future."
Brain-boost drugs 'to be common'
Healthy people, including children, might one day take drugs to boost their intelligence, scientists predict. The think-tank Foresight, outlined the scenario in an independent report looking at potential developments over the next 20 years.
Could brain-boosting drugs become 'as common as coffee'?
Such "cognitive enhancers" could become as "common as coffee", they suggest.
Scientists did not rule out children taking exams facing drug tests, as sportsmen do, to see if any have taken 'performance enhancing substances'.
The report was compiled by 50 experts, who set out their predictions for the next two decades.
More consideration
Some drugs are already known to aid mental performance. Ritalin, now prescribed to children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), has already been used by some students to improve their performance in exams.
Modafinil, used now to treat sleep disorders, has been shown to help people remember numbers more effectively.
It can also make people think more carefully before making decisions.
There is also a type of molecule called ampakins, which enhance the way some chemical receptors in the brain work, suggesting drugs could be developed to improve people's memory when they are tired.
The Foresight report states: "In a world that is increasingly non-stop and competitive, the individual's use of such substances may move from the fringe to the norm, with cognition enhancers used as coffee is today".
But the availability of such drugs would open up a range of social and ethical questions, including whether it should be permitted for people to use them to gain advantage over others.
How they should be monitored would also be an issue.
Regulation
Scientists said it could raise issues about what substances children undertaking exams could use.
Professor Trevor Robbins, of the Department of Experimental Psychology at the University of Cambridge, who helped compile the report, said: "No one minds very much about people taking vitamins to make them do a little bit better.
"But taking a natural, or unnatural, substance in exams might cause some ethical problems along the lines that we have in sport."
Professor Gerry Stimson, an expert in the sociology of health behaviour at Imperial College London, who also helped compile the report, said: "Would this be putting people at a fair advantage, or an unfair advantage?
"It is permitted to take drugs for therapeutic reasons, but you would need a regulatory framework for well people."
But the scientists say the drugs could become commonplace.
Professor Robbins said: "You have to look 20 years into the future.
"It's possible that these new drugs will be the new coffee, if you like, and taken by a broad range of individuals."
The report also looks at potential for vaccines against addictions to nicotine or cocaine, which would offer treatments for addicts by blocking the effects of the drug in the body.
It also looked at the potential for drugs to treat or delay the progress of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases.
Sir David King, chief scientific advisor to the government, who oversaw the project, said "By examining challenging issues, such as brain science and addiction, scientists can help inform the government and others by building a strong scientific evidence base.
"This will provide the best platform to help us prepare for the future."
Its quite amazing that a lot of people smoke, drink aclohol, eat unhealthy and then when theres something that they dont understand they attack it without doing the research. Drugs such as vinpocetine are a perfectly good supplement that protects and enhances your mental ability. While there are many things you do in life that are much worse and have negative effects on your brain, whether you realize it or not.
i'm sorry but who WOULD want a better brain?
QUOTE(Dark Witch @ Aug 1 2005, 11:57 PM)
i'm sorry but who WOULD want a better brain?
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Someone that likes to learn and wants to achieve good things in life? and live thousands of years
o. well that's deffinitly not me.
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