I thought that this would fit under anchient mysteries best. i was just wondering for people who believe in rebirth. if so u think EVERYONE is reborn? if so, why wasnt God reborn? i mean if people still pray to him then he must still be living his life as a spirit and not some human being walking around right now. If God was reborn, you think he'd know who he was in his previous life? im sorry if this offended anyone with their religion or what not. but i would love to hear what you guys think. thanks.

Yes i do believe we are reborn, our spirit i think does live many time's thus explaining why we have soul mates people who we have loved before; i also believe that is why we remember places we have never been, but i don't think god fall's into this group, since he is suppose to be the creator of us all.

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thats an interesting topic Roc... i dont no what to say, ill have to think about that.. by the way .. its Ancient** and god is definitly belonging under spirtuality and religion!!

I believe in reincarnation or rebirth. The reason God is not reborn in my little philosophy, is that he is not a human soul and was not born to begin with. Jesus was not reborn because he fulfilled his purpose/learned his lesson. And because of nepotism.

"Hey, my Dad's in charge up there. I'll get in easy."

who's to say that jesus wasn't reborn....he could be watching now, or perhaps was reborn into something other then a person....

There may be a kind of limbo period between death and rebirth for some, some may get stuck here as ghosts and such. But we all come back at some point. so going on the idea that jesus did live, he would either have already been again or perhaps is still in that limbo waiting for his return.

I'd say look at it this way, be nice to every person, every animal and plant...it might just be your god your hunting with that shot gun!!!!

Nope! I don't believe. Life itself is immortal but carried on by mortal organisms. So there's no need to be reborn

I at one time believed in reincarnation, and I still do but not in the sense that you live one life die choose another die choose another etc. etc. I believe all that is happeneing is happening in the eternal moment of now that if I'm living other lives they are being lived now, Jane Roberts was an awesome channeler of the 60's she wrote the Seth books have you heard of them ?? They get into this very deeply more than any other books I've come across. There may be other sources if there are I'm open I think this is a fasinating subject, Namaste Sheri Berri

The simple answer: No, I don't believe in reincarnation. I believe that everyone lives once, and once only.

As to God being reborn..... well, I believe He was never Human in the first place, so He could not be "reborn" as you put it.

All the best,

I still think Yeshua is speaking of reincarnation when he speaks of being reborn by the spirit. He also states, repeatedly, that John the baptist was the reincarnation of elijah.

But aren't christians waiting for the return of JC won't have have to be reborn for that to happen? I personally like that idea of more then one life. Perhaps that way if we don't get to do something in this one we will get to in the next one

I wouldn't want to spend eternity on a cloud, I would get bored

I believe the same as BFG but I would like to understand why anyone would believe in reincarnation? if you think about it how would people get reincarnated? thousands of years ago when there was the first civilization was it not growing? and to match the civilization was the rest of the world not growing, the plants and animals increased in population as well. reincarnation does not explain this. how can plants, animals, and people be created from previous plants, animals, and people when they are constantly increasing in number?

No one is saying that over time there may not be more people here. The idea is that its not a constant flow of new people and things. But what it is that makes you, you that will come back. That unexplainable part that gives you personality and allows you to feel emotion, that part doesn't die it will continue to something else. Perhaps a person, cat, tree anything that is alive you could come back as, even a single blade of grass....where else would you go?

If everyone was reborn then there would be the same number of people present all the time this is obviously not the case is it.

If you believed that new souls can appear then this is still rubbish. You can simply rule out this nonsense by looking at population trends e.g. if a massive disaster killed 30 million people and reincarnation existed then the birth rate would rocket in some places soon after and patterns would be visible in the data.

The very concept is one that can easily be ruled out as ridiculous and based on absolutely nothing.

Past lives and people regressing to former experiences before birth is proof people will cling to stupid concepts to explain the most simple of phenomenon (déjà vu).

To even entertain the idea is a childish exercise and somewhat embarrassing to believe in.

"if a massive disaster killed 30 million people and reincarnation existed then the birth rate would rocket in some places soon after and patterns would be visible in the data."


Thats some very good logic there. Anyone else see a problem with that post.

Reincarnation does not occur in linear time. We may even migrate to other solar systems. The numbers do not even have to match.

Then truly you are beyond help

do you think that is poor logic?

there is no definite that it is an immediate re-birth

Yes I do, just becuase 30 million people die in a mass event doesnt mean there will be a 30 million people born right after wards. Those 30 millions souls wouldnt need to be reborn that instant.

No, I don't believe in rebirth. I don't believe you can "Remember" anything from past lives.

When you die, your brain withers, rots, is GONE. Without your brain, you have no thoughts, no feelings, no mind. I don't believe in rebirth, nor do I believe in life after death.

If you understand that God has no time constraints, then you realize that reincarnation does not have to be linear. If the lesson you need is in the "past", then that's where you go.

so what do you believe is running that little brain of yours. Your brain functions off of electrical impulses which require some form of energy to cause those impulses. One of the laws of Physics state energy can be neither created nor destroyed so where does the energy from your body go when you die?

I must say i do believe,that is why we are able to find our soul mate

The is evidence that reincarnation was accepted from the beginning. And yes, 'No one shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven, lest ye be born again' spoken by Jesus (or Yeshua) isn't talking about a new religion, but the actual ACT of being reborn. Karma, is intertwined in this.

Hi Roc Man!
Are you really ready to delve into such a deep matter? If so, take a bite of this. Your soul, that thing that you call you, the energy that makes you go and breath without being plugged into the wall, or run on batteries, whatever you want to call it, THAT IS GOD. When Moses hit the mountain, God said, "I AM That I AM". What that meant was, whenever you think, I am hungry, I am thirsty, I am afraid, I am....whenever you think of YOU, that part that you call YOU, is GOD. God is that "I am" that you speak of. So, when you ask, "Why wasn't God reborn?", you are not understanding that every single body that is born every day, IS God being reborn. Wanna go deeper? In YOUR last body, you swam like a fish to get into the egg that contained your present body! Have any memory of that one? It was just your last one! You had a mission, and obviously you outraced and focused more on your mission than all the other souls that were waiting for the body that 'you' now reside in. But you can't even remember that one, so how could you remember any before that. Not to mention the fact that people are crazy enough handling the life that they now live, with out the extra craziness added of trying to remember past lives. You may have to wait many, many years before attaining another body, especially in a world where we use contraceptives, abortion, and devices to stop the birth of another body. Do you doubt that you were actually a sperm? What about when you did get into the egg that held the body that 'you' now occupy? What happened to all of the other souls that didn't get it? They begin all over again. They get back in line. People pray to God everywhere, because they don't realize that GOD IS IN THEM. Also, God only needs to be 'reborn' in a mind that visions him as dying. Energy never dies. It only changes form. (I think some famous guy said that...) As you emerged from the womb, I am certain that you thought you were dying. Wanna go deeper? Reply to me. 'Sees In Clouds'

Hi Isis-999...
What do you think about the theory that you and your soulmate will have the same exact color eyes. Think of eye color as your race, not your skincolor. The eyes are the window to the soul. That's one reason why people get uncomfortable when you look them in the eyes too long. Right at that moment where you could actually reach them telepathically, they get uncomfortable, and look away, closing the door. Ask any VERY happily married couples, who have been married, say, 25 years or more, and I stress, happily. Now just do your own experiment, and see how many of them that others consider to be soulmates, and how many of those have the same exact color eyes. Its an interesting experiment!

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it isn't true. You can deny something until doomsday, when you find that your beliefs don't really mean much of nothing in the grand scheme of things. What happens, will happen no matter what you believe. Yes, your body that you reside in will become unuseable, and when it does, you will leave it. And you will venture on into your 'new' life, of waiting in line to get another body again. Whether you believe it or not! Isn't that the cool part? In the very end, your soul, or 'you', will join back up with the matter of God from whence it came, which is your ultimate 'heaven'. Only, as you came from it, you will have a place to return to. Do not expect heaven to be lined with Gold, as that was one of the ruses used by old religious leaders, to use your sense of greed, and join their club of belief. And, where does it say in the Bible, other than in a dream, that bad people who sin are going to go to Hell? Cause I can't find it. A ruse to scare you into joining their club. Yes, in the temperal world that you live in, your body will wither and rot. It is no longer useable. We all know forensically every single thing that these bodies go through during decomposition. BUT! That has nothing to do with the world of your soul. Energy never dies, it just changes form.

I think that if this disaster happened, then certainly there would be more births in the areas that still had people, than in the area where 30 million died! That's 30 million people who won't be taking part in giving birth now. But I think no more than would normally be born, as only one or two souls, except in freakish situations, can still be born to one person at a time, and that sperm still has to race against thousands of others waiting and racing to get to that new body. Do you realize how many billions of souls are standing in line, just waiting for the man that they reside in to get them into the woman that holds the egg that holds the new body? And how LONG they / we? have to wait?

see s in clouds, those are questions i do not need to ask,I always look everyone in the eye when i talk to then,It is no secret that a persons eyes will tell you a great deal about them, I married my soul mate even though he was reborn ten years before me, i did find him again,This was the same man i had dreamed about since i was five,the first time i seen him,i knew who he was, my eyes are hazel,yet his are green,but mine change they really are many colors, green is just of them; I fully understand what you are saying,But it is not as simple as you may think, there are alot of thing that happen to us between death and rebirth, that is one reason,why we have to find each other again.

Like I said in another thread, your BODY dies, but the soul (composed of electrical energy according to ancient texts) does not. Electrical energy survives the body. THAT is your SOUL.

Now, as for Heaven, Sheol and the 10 levels of Hell (only the 3rd level of Heaven is reserved for humans), these determine when you will come back, what your next life will be like (Karma), etc. In other words, if you're going to Sheol, you go there before you return. This is why people don't just reincarnate instantly. They have a debt to pay. Hell, wile this Earth exists and reincarnation is still possible is not eternal, your time there and punishments therein depend on what you did, and you have to work your way out of it. While both the hells and Heaven are in space, Sheol, is Earth. These are the souls supposedly 'stuck'. These are the ones that see 'nothing' in OBE's, neither Heaven nor Hell. Most people end up in Sheol. However, they too after their appointed time do return.

I dont have time to read all the comments right now, so sorry if this has been said, but its what I believe.

I think that our consciousness is 'god', the universal power, universal consciousness, so In a way yes I believe in rebirth but not as individually as you imply. I think we are all one and the same just stuck in our minds, once we die we move to another body but where as it is in a way still 'you', its also everyone else

Maybe thats hard to comprehend

Rebirth. if 30 million people did die, i dont believe it would all be instant. if you believe in havin previous lives im sure there was a gap between your previous life and ur present one. probably years.

So let me see if I understand this.

you are in an arbitrary state of “waiting” You are then born and when you die your soul waits for another arbitrary amount of time before re-entering into another body that might or might not be outside the galaxy.

and you think my logic is flawed!

What we are witnessing here is a complete abandonment of any logic or reason and the clinging to nothing more than childish fantasy. All this talk of “you cannot destroy or create energy so where does the electrical energy of the brain go? it must be a soul!” is utter nonsense just read a standard physics textbook and you will see where the energy goes.

The fact that you think you can be so specific on such an outlandish principle that does not encompass any evidence what-so-ever demonstrates how badly this is all concluded. My initial statement on 30million people being reborn (which is not logically flawed at all) was based on the proposed concept of instant rebirth because I hadn’t actually considered people would be that deluded to think that it’s outside the galaxy or believe in against a linear period of time (clearly I should have added the quack factor).

What you are doing is being specific and saying things work via a certain rigid principle when you haven’t got any evidence what so ever that they do. it is just a combination of mis-information, speculation and childish fantasies.
I do hope those who believe in any past lives are young and able to shake of these nonsense ideas in time. But if you are an adult and deemed sane by society and still believe in such speculative fantasy I hope you remove yourself from both the voting register and in time the gene pool (obviously a joke).

You may think these are harsh words but when I was younger and “blind” (uneducated and generally ill-informed) and I had similar beliefs I wish somebody took me to the side and gave me a good hard does of reality…. such as above.

Your logic is seriously skewed. You can't recycle tin cans and at the same time make new ones? That makes no sense. Its impossible for some of these tins cans to be sitting in a warehouse somewhere waiting to be filled with soup? Of course they could.

No, believing in reincarnation (or anything religious) is not logical - its not supposed to be. In order for the concept to work, one must believe in another plane of existance (ie heaven).

And I'm just wondering.... WHY do you feel it so important to steer people into "harsh reality and logic?" Is everything governed by science and logic in your world? What about love? What about the feathers on a peacock when a male sparrow gets a mate just as well? Is joy just a chemical reaction?

Reborn in Christ yes. Our soul is reborn once we except him into our hearts.

“Your logic is seriously skewed. You can't recycle tin cans and at the same time make new ones? That makes no sense. Its impossible for some of these tins cans to be sitting in a warehouse somewhere waiting to be filled with soup? Of course they could.”

I don’t really know what you were thinking when you wrote that. but how is that relevant to what I said in any way?

Regarding joy as a chemical reaction indeed it is. Anyone who has tried heroine will tend to agree with me on that.

Logic and the harsh reality of science has done more for mankind, than any non-fact based childish speculation.

From the computer you are using to read this, to the drugs that destroyed small pox all have been achieved through the disciplined application of logic and reason, and display results for all to see. The realisation and application of Logic has been mans greatest achievement and produced his greatest triumphs. You and “your kind” stand in the way of this progress and refuse to utilise the concepts hence I disregard your beliefs and label them as “futile” and against progress.

CROR some things do defy logic don't you think? not everything can be easily explained if at all. Has nothing every happened to you that you can't reason out? I understand that this has nothing to do with rebirth but it goes to the ability to acknowledge that we don't understand everything and some things do go against reason and all logic

Indeed, but when one doesn’t understand something he cannot be specific on details of the mechanism (such has been displayed here) and one certainly cannot believe in something as true since there is nothing to suggest it to be so. All that one could say at maximum is that the possibility of a principle existing is equal to the possibility of it not existing, is that believing in something to you?.

Well since the idea of heaven, the afterlife are to help people cope with the fear of death....So if I or anyone wants to believe that they will get to come back, because maybe we like being here. Or that maybe it helps us believe that even when someone dies we have that chance of meeting them again just in another form helps with lose....What ever it is yes it is completely illogical it makes no sense at all but if it works...go with it!!!

1) I was using a metaphor to compare human bodies/vessels of souls to tin cans. You were talking about population increases (making more 'tin cans') and a baby boom after a large disaster so that souls would have somewhere to go. (cans in warehouse - tied in with belief of heaven which I mentioned in my next paragraph)

2) Of course joy is a chemical reaction - I wasn't debating that. All human processes are chemical, electrical, or biological. BUT to JUST see them as such is, I believe, sad. To negate all emotion as chemical is sad. Instead of falling in love you accept that your biological functions coincide nicely with another person?

3) I want to ask HOW do I and "my kind" (whoever they are?) stand in the way of progress. Things seem to be progressing quite nicely in the field of science an technology. How did my believing in reincarnation stop progress?

Cror: Having a scientific and analytic brain as you do, is a good thing. However, I think that one day, depending upon how old you are, you will learn that science cannot explain everything away. I realize that with a scientific approach to life, you are in constant study, watching and analyzing everything else. Good for your curiosity, and perhaps one day, something that you conclude could actually change the world! But as surely as you trust your testing, analyses and scientifically proven facts when it spits out the results of the factors that you have input, you cannot simply pooh-pooh away, so vehemently, something that has been proven to me! I too, am one that has to actually see, feel, experiment because of my curiosity. If my tests, and results have come back to prove my hypothesis to myself, although I cannot replicate the process in a scientific way, it has already been proven to me, and I cannot pretend that it has not. All the science in the world is unable to disprove what I say, and quite frankly, I think that most of the science, though worded differently, does prove my hypothesis, so I think that you should not speak so harshly, until you have the complete, DOCUMENTED, analyzed PROOF that what YOU say is gospel. I know of what I speak. You have lived many many many times before, and when you step out of your body, when it becomes unuseable for you anymore, you will just be like, Oh. It doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. You being here now is proof that you waited in line, you swam to the egg which held the body that you now reside in. Am I Specific enough?

"You cannot put new wine into old wineskins.", Jesus' answer to your tin can question, not mine.

So what happens to all those little souls who don't make it to the egg? and by that idea are you saying there is no soul in the egg?

There is absolutely no soul in the egg, until the sperm, which contains you, pushes it's way into the egg. The one who makes it first, is the lucky winner of the body that the egg holds. All the ones that don't make it, start all over again. Okay, here goes. There are millions and billions of souls. These souls, must choose a male, whom they are hoping will be able to introduce them to an egg. The male's scrotum, is where they remain until it's time for the race!! Or, if he uses, say a condom, they start all over again. The male produces the 'stuff' that makes up the body of the sperm. Without it, the soul would not be able to enter the egg at all. With a tail like a fish, it is strong, and able, and is in the perfect body to get in there! I know some will say, Well, I wouldn't have chosen this lot in life, had I had a choice!" Well, can you imagine the number of souls that are waiting to get into someone, like, say, a Hilton? The wait is long enough between bodies already, without getting on the ride with the longest line.

Hi Ashley Star Child...The amount of time spent waiting in between bodies, has nothing at all to do with Karma, or how you did in your previous life. It only has to do with how many chances you get to race for the egg, and how many times you failed at getting to it. Karma, is a religious thing, tied to age old traditions that were lived, and taught to you, and to them, from the time that they were born. The 10 commandments were not a list of rules that damned you to hell as soon as you broke one!! They are simply, 10 simple rules, that if you follow them, they will make your life, here on earth, with other humans, bearable. If you break a commandment, simply put...you have hurt someone. It is hard to break out of all of the little nuances that are instilled in you when learning the religions of your father from birth. As far as 3 levels of Sheol and what ever, I know nothing of this. I do know that your soul came from the matter of God, and will eventually return to it. No matter what you have done in ANY of your lives. It is YOU who decides if you are ready to join back with this matter or not. But as a soul, you certainly had a goal or mission when you swam into the body you're in right now, so don't waste your body! And no! I don't think I would want to meet an angel!! They always seemed to precede some devastating disaster!! (Question from your previous post...LOL) Sees in Clouds

I would like to think that people have a choice whether or not to be re-born. I have often discussed the subject with my mother who is very spiritual. She believes in reincarnation but not that everyone is reborn. She has a theory about certain souls who are reborn again and again while others are reborn once or not at all. I guess I will never really know for sure, not in this life anyway but the subject is quite interesting to me.

CROR: I don't think that anyone is disputing all that science has done, or all that has been done by applying logic and reason! My problem with "your kind" is that if your science cannot prove it, then it simply doesn't exist, so it's easy for you to stand in judgement of all "this kind" of people, and deem them as crazy, or childish in their speculations. You stand, as like a brick wall, saying, "I don't believe it because science hasn't told me that", and say that "our kind" stands in the way of progress? How could any scientific discoveries, other than basic ones, be found, without first wondering about it, forming a hypothesis, and then trying to prove it? As I heard somewhere before, "Think outside the box". All that is worthy of studying, cannot be held in your hand, or examined by a microscope! But who knows? Maybe you'll be the one to discover the instrument that could be used to actually see a soul! LOL Good night all! Sees In Clouds

Hi girty!
I think that as a soul, you definately want to be born. I also imagine that there are those who wait an awefully long time before they get their next body. I do believe, that you have a choice of joining back up with the matter of which you came, or to live again. Feelings of dispair are only felt while you are in a body, and are very much caused by your environment throughout your life. While a soul, these matters of dispair mean nothing at all to you. Sees in Clouds

The irony is you probably would have not listened to them

Or maybe you would, I'm just speculating....

All the best,