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Essan
The Downing Street Memo has nothing to do with this. Any more than pre-knowledge of the Pearl harbour attacks does.

Unless British Secret Service operates have infiltrated an Islamic extremist cell with the intend of helping them carry out explosions in order to, er, well, in order to do nothing other than show that us Brits won't be fazed by such evil acts.

The conspiracy theory falls because the attacks will result in nothing changing original.gif

(edited for typos!)
turbonium
Of course it's not related, it was in response to mr.ed saying he trusts his gov't completely. I'm just curious how one comes to hold such blind faith in their political leaders! laugh.gif
girty1600
Blind faith versus blind hatred,and paranoia, right turbonium?
Essan
I guess there are different levels of trust. I wouldn't trust my government (or any government) to organise a p*ss-up in a brewery, let alone run a country. Unfortuntely I don't have much choice in the matter though - however I vote, some political party always get in sad.gif wink2.gif

But I do trust them not to deliberately cause or allow the deaths of innocent persons. They may be guilty of stupidity. But they are normal British citizens and are no more guilt of complicity in this event than I am.
Lostchild1962


My freind , his daughter and girlfreind are in London right now...I was worried about their safety but they called everyone here to let us know their ok. Hope the same for everyone in London. May the truth eventually be known.
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Happy to hear they are safe and well..as well as all those here at UM in London..
turbonium
QUOTE(girty1600 @ Jul 9 2005, 07:44 AM)
Blind faith versus blind hatred,and paranoia, right turbonium?
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Well-proven betrayals requiring truth and justice versus blind faith.

Blind hatred - towards Muslims the world over

Blind paranoia -created by straight faced liars brazenly accusing nations of harboring WMD's, and a fantasy boogyman plotting in his Cave of Evil.

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Lostchild1962
To trust the Gov't is crazy Mr Ed..But each to his own..I think ur a cool kid..if u support the war why arent you over there? I have family there 18 yrs old scared $hitless. But Im gonna sit back and just watch..
Mr Ed
No, what is crazy is to think that the British government had something to do with the attack on London.
girty1600
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Well-proven betrayals requiring truth and justice versus blind faith.


Who's betrayals?
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Blind hatred - towards Muslims the world over


Not from my side of the fence.

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Blind paranoia -created by straight faced liars brazenly accusing nations of harboring WMD's, and a fantasy boogyman plotting in his Cave of Evil.


Fantasy like Sadam?

He was pretty evil.
turbonium
QUOTE(girty1600 @ Jul 9 2005, 08:19 AM)
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Well-proven betrayals requiring truth and justice versus blind faith.


Who's betrayals?
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Blind hatred - towards Muslims the world over


Not from my side of the fence.

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Blind paranoia -created by straight faced liars brazenly accusing nations of harboring WMD's, and a fantasy boogyman plotting in his Cave of Evil.


Fantasy like Sadam?

He was pretty evil.
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Betrayals by the Gov't - to the people who placed their trust in them. Blind hatred not you specifically, but it exists among others. last one - Bin laden in his Cave of Evil is still the boogyman, and Saddam with WMD's is the lie causing paranoia (and deaths)
PadawanOsswe
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jul 9 2005, 06:14 AM)
No, what is crazy is to think that the British government had something to do with the attack on London.
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agreed Ed
dmgspycat
Hey Padowan...I see you like Pink Floyd...good choice I might add. You might not know it but they have an album called Animals...read the lyrics...look at the cover of the album...a pig floating above a factory...on the inside of the cover you can see the real picture from WW2 with barbed wire on the outside...WW2 was concieved for profit my freind...by those pigs.

Some of us here write to you all about these pigs and not to trust them (like we have a choice...lol) because of their criminal and sometimes treasonous past. If information wasn't already out there from FOIA requests and in scholarly research...we simply wouldn't just make it up. We theorize what these people are up to based upon their past actions.

Are you for the Republic or for the Sith Padowan? Im for the Republic...lol
turbonium
user posted image

Lyric segment from Sheep:

What do you get for pretending the danger's not real.
Meek and obedient you follow the leader
Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel.
What a surprise!
A look of terminal shock in your eyes.
Now things are really what they seem.
No, this is no bad dream.

The grand finale of the album is when the sheep, as if waken from an eternal sleep, realize that the others have been deceiving them and in a massive revolt of rage they kill the others.
dmgspycat
Props to turbo!
Mr Ed
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WW2 was concieved for profit my freind



I really hope this was a joke. I have studied WW2, I actually know about it. WW2 was not 'concieved for profit'. That is the most uneducated thing I have heard anyone say on this site.

This is why I hope you are joking.
isis-999
There are many people who think the US,goverment had something to do with 911,this drives me crazy,so i an not shocked to hear them say the UK goverment had something to do with this, LOOK-the USandUK have not been blowing countries up for years, they have not been in Jordon and other places killing people,think how many presidents and PM have we had; i guess they all plain this, even years before they ran for office,please think the people who do these things are terrorist,and they kill in the name of there GOD, they are sick cruel people,and the idea our goverments are doing this is insane.
turbonium
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LOOK-the USandUK have not been blowing countries up for years,

In which alternate universe would that be?
dmgspycat
Mr Ed, by age lacks historical perspective and has no idea about US corporations involvement with Nazi Germany.

Isis you have no idea what is happening behind our backs by the CIA to foreign peoples and their governments. They have been supporting right -wing terrorism for years in these countries, helping to install brutal dictators, assassinating leaders who are "bad for business". Its been written about for years and this activity goes back to around the 1940's. Gunrunning, assassinations, coups...mass graves of people who voted against CIA wishes.

Something about the Bush family you both dont know is its involvement with making money with Nazi Germany through Union Banking Corporation. They are NOT to be trusted...that family has consistently supporte the worst brutal dictators, right -wing cuban terrorism, assassinations of democratic leaders...and the disintigration of corporate regulations. They are NOT to be trusted.
Mr Ed
Thankyou very much for that pm you sent me dmgspycat, it was very interesting and really does not prove anything.

America profited enormously from WW2, both economically and industrially. It was a benefit to them regarding these two things, obviously and undeniably.

I will keep this short. Hitler was not placed into power by the Americans or any banks or business men. Anyone who has studied Hitler's rise to power knows this.
After WW1 the treaty of Versailes was made. This left millions of German people feeling degraded and humiliated. Hitler knew this, he had the full backing of his people because they wanted a strong Germany again. His people were also poor to start with and therefore would turn towards such an extreme and strong leader.
Hitler did not need anyone to put him into power, he did it himself. He then chose to go to war. The war was not created by business men.
I am sure you know all this so it will be very uninteresting when you put a conspiritorial slant on it.

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You are just too young to know any different but thats not your fault.


Do not pm again with crap like this.
MK ULTRA
Its strange how on 911 the CIA were conducting drills of flying planes into the WTC and the Pentagon,that explains the mix up with Norad etc.
But the same thing has happened in London now,Visor Consultants,a PR firm working with Scotland Yards anti terrorist branch and London Underground were carrying out drills of terrorist attacks on the 7th of July at the exact stations and times of the attacks.
Coincedence or very careful planning?
girty1600
The former; just my opinion though. thumbsup.gif
isis-999
QUOTE(dmgspycat @ Jul 10 2005, 11:07 AM)
Mr Ed, by age lacks historical perspective and has no idea about US corporations involvement with Nazi Germany.

Isis you have no idea what is happening behind our backs by the CIA to foreign peoples and their governments. They have been supporting right -wing terrorism for years in these countries, helping to install brutal dictators, assassinating leaders who are "bad for business". Its been written about for years and this activity goes back to around the 1940's. Gunrunning, assassinations, coups...mass graves of people who voted against CIA wishes.

Something about the Bush family you both dont know is its involvement with making money with Nazi Germany through Union Banking Corporation. They are NOT to be trusted...that family has consistently supporte the worst brutal dictators, right -wing cuban terrorism, assassinations of democratic leaders...and the disintigration of corporate regulations. They are NOT to be trusted.
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DC to hate the goverment is fine as a free citizen that is your right, but the Bush family had nothing to do with Nazi germany if you want to get right down to it it was the british who first supported, germany, i may not know alot about the Bush family,But i do know alot about history and ww2, please do not make claims that have no time line to support your theory, it takes way from the credit of your post! i do not mean to be rude; but some of what you are saying is true, but by allowing your dislike of the Bush family to show so much, you are making statements that have no value,Hilter funded the war with money of the country he over ran, and then from the people he killed! i am also well aware of the CIA's involvement in terriost acts let us not forget Kenndy was killed because he wanted to bring our boys home! and there were alot of people there making money off that war, i know the CIA theory about the drug sales to our troops, and the mafi involvement, so i am not blind to the faults of our goverment! but i deal with facts not blind rage, that has no truth to support it's claims. And yes i know Bush is a member of the skulls, thus giving some people reason to believe the bank theory, but it we are going to talk about these's thing's then let us stick to the fact's not made up BS. it is always better to put your personal views a side on just go on the facts! grin2.gif
dmgspycat
Isis I wouldn't BS you about something important like that...really, I didn't just make it up or copy it off of some kooks website. Two sources of information that the Bush families were involved with Nazi money making before during and after WW2 are...National Archives...look up vesting order #248...you will find that indeed Prescott Bush sat on the board of Union Banking Corporation which conspired with IG Farben.
Two...I saw it echoed on t.v. on C-Span by a Jewish holocaust museum director who was asked about the Bush family connection to Nazi Germany. Yes they were involved financially. It can be looked up and verified by you if you would simply invest the time. You see just 60 years ago the Bush family among others did in fact conspire through private channels to deal with Nazi Germany. If they would do that then what else might they be capable of.

PS- I would have supported Kennedy. The CIA did him wrong over the BAy of Pigs...in which some say GHW Bush took part in through the CIA.
isis-999
No, what they said; is the Bush family as well as other's dealt with germany before the war not a crime,If you would stop reading thing into history to fit your own views you would make more since when you post!
Zeus
QUOTE(747400 @ Jul 7 2005, 10:01 PM)
Seriously, some of the opinions i come across on here make me want to test the forum rules against profanity to their limits.

It was Bush and Blair, was it.  Come on, don't hide behind intellectual cleverness and playing with words, if there's anyone who believes it was Bush and Blair and the New World Order or the flaming Illuminati or bloody shapeshifting aliens or any of the other of the whole stinky load of garbage that the conspiracy mongers peddle, come out and say it!

If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck : New York: morning rush hour. Public transport targeted. Multiple simaltaneous attacks without warning.
Madrid: morning rush hour. Public transport targeted. Multiple simaltaneous attacks without warning.  London: morning rush hour. Public transport targeted. Multiple simaltaneous attacks without warning.

But hey, there's no proof that there's any connection between them, is there?

Hey, it's a game, isn't it, let's see who can be first to fit it into the conspiracy theory of their choice.  It has to be the New World Order; we have proof of that, don't we.
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Global Gestalt And Planetary Sovereignty

B.R. McEwen

Tetra-Matrix@prodigy.net

October 1, 2001

On Sept. 18, 2001, a week after the horrific attack by terrorists on American soil, I received a lengthy email from an old family friend who I have been in contact for several years…since my teens actually. After working for NASA for a number of years he was hired later by Stanford Research Institute International (SRI Intl.), where he has been working on remote viewing and the Bible Code. His field of expertise was systems analysis and programming. The following is an extract of part of that email communication. I believe in my heart that it was his intention that I make much of what he shared with me public. Four days after I received his email he was found by his daughter floating face down in his swimming pool. He was an excellent swimmer and was found fully clothed.

Although I have reservations about publishing this information, it seems much too important to let my petty fears interrupt with what is perhaps my friend’s wish in which he may have given his life for. May God bless us all during this global transition.

…Already the internet is filled with speculative conspiracy theories, disinformation and propaganda from all sides of the fence regarding the 9/11 tragedy. And the mass media is doing a wonderfully perfect job of keeping a hypnotic public transfixed with the exact information needed to fulfill every agenda of a social engineering plan now going 90 m.p.h. down a dead-end street. What follows are some things you can check out for yourself to verify what I am about to say. And here it is in a nutshell:

The most recent terrorist attacks were not orchestrated by a cabal of secret conspirators, but these latest attacks were and are being exploited to the Nth degree by using all the known principles of social engineering that have been researched and experimented with for perhaps hundreds of years. But, there is a catch 22 to this also; these very same principles of social engineering are actually based on 9 principles of the human psyche, and are also known as archetypes or prototypes of the collective subconscious and the mental creative process innate in all humans. To one degree or another, even those who study and/or implement the principles may or may not know that the principles themselves (the 9) have an agenda separate to what occurs on Earth! SRI has known about and researched the 9 principles for decades. They are referred to as the Ennead and regarded as extra-dimensional intelligences operating both within and without our reality continuum. I can only assume other research and think tanks are privy to the 9 also.

The authors of The Stargate Conspiracy were close to the real truth in many ways, but what they missed was the fact that "The Nine", "Council of Nine", "Ennead" etc., can take on any form, shape or appearance according to the needs or desire or mythical affiliation associated with the observer (the psyche). This means that the 9 principles can even take on anthropomorphic identities and conceivably be worshiped as gods, as was possibly the case with the ancient Egyptians. What appears on the surface to the authors of Stargate Conspiracy as a possible conscious conspiracy going back many decades, is in fact an agenda played out by the 9 principles themselves through researchers, occultists, intelligence agencies and spiritual seekers (to name a few). To all appearances, even those participating in the game of the 9 believe and are totally convinced that the "9" are separate from themselves.

It may help to think of the information I am about to give you as: An Introduction to an Open-ended Scrutiny of the Principles and Methods of Evolution Engineering and the Orchestration of Belief Systems.

To be sure, something extreme and out of bounds from typical media coverage is occurring, and it appears to be the beginning of a shifting paradigm. Whether this shifting paradigm is consciously orchestrated is yet to be determined by most of the public. And yet it has been hinted at by conspiracy buffs and historians for decades that it is counter-productive to freedom and basic human rights. I don’t know, it is too early to say.

It must be stated emphatically that in order for the public to be informed of new and accurate information and to gain greater perceptive faculties on which to make decisions, they must be prepared to rid themselves of all past thought patterns and preconceptions, and in a child-like manner surrender the mind to receive new, novel and unexpected revelations. There seems to be no other way at this time.

As the days unfold with ever increasing visual and semantic coverage bombarding the psyche with perpetual graphic programming, try to recognize the state-of-the art social engineering being consciously or unconsciously aimed at the entire planet, forever changing the evolutionary direction of human destiny. Whether this is for good or evil is yet to be deciphered. Consider also the ongoing consequences of the never-ending drug war still being waged with no end in sight and with no real substantial headway. Think also of the apparent futility of ideological polarities in all the arenas of the world. It is indeed a multi-dimensional challenge assaulting us on all fronts of the imagination.

If we are to believe the media, pretty much of the entire planet is in solidarity over this matter and a coalition of unprecedented dynamics is thriving. From a historical perspective it is very possibly this is the most massive collective consensus of opinion the world has ever known, especially in light of the sheer population of the planet that has never reached this peak in known history. This is indeed a massive, dynamic global gestalt with the potential for extreme transformational manifestations.

In one brief stroke of terrorism, with the blink of an eye, all healthy and constructive criticism of the government has seemed to have vanished almost completely, and all liability displacement, shifting of blame, has been turned to the radical Islamics and their terror machine….

Be reminded of "Art of War" by Sun Tzu (400-320 b.c., China) which states in part that all warfare is based upon careful deception and that the political rulers must always cultivate believable appearances and emotional and moral correctness in order to persuade the populace to fight and murder in the name of a righteous cause. "Art of War" is accepted universally as the oldest formalized principle and concept of conventional warfare, military strategy and even business applications. A short quote from "Art of War" as it pertains to this discussion and in context of our interests: "He must be able to mystify his officers and men by false reports and appearances, and then keep them in total ignorance."

Overnight the entire Western world is, if we are to believe the main stream media, galvanized and united in a "new kind of war" under the umbrella of infinite justice.

True, the terrorist acts were a crime against humanity on a massive scale. Also on a massive scale is the gestalt it propagated for the entire planet. Using the definition of ‘gestalt’ as found and used in military remote viewing, it is: " A unified whole; a configuration, pattern, or organized field having specific properties that cannot be derived from the summation of its component parts." Yet another term direct from remote viewing definition is the word ‘matrix’, which seems to reliably fit into the scheme of our perilous world situation. Matrix: "Something within which something else originates or takes form or develops. A place or point of origin or growth." The implication here is that this ‘matrix’ is a perfect breeding ground for a global ‘gestalt’ for the origin, development and growth of planetary sovereignty. This of course sweeps national sovereignty aside, and this is what is commonly referred to as the "New World Order", "One World League" etc. And again, whether this is for good or evil is yet to be determined, and will be a factor determined by who is at the top of the pyramid capstone and how he/she rose to that position and what motives are actually behind the leadership of such a world government.

To add to the emotional and analytical challenges we now face is the amount of unsubstantiated information, theories, disinformation and ‘evidence’ circulating through the internet . It seems only to add confusion and turmoil to many in the public, yet this is an ingredient, or principle that is not only needed, but often times used consciously in the total equation/formula of social engineering….

Be reminded of a Frenchman named Joseph Alexander Saint-Yves d’Alveydre (1824-1909) who was a leading advocate for something called "Synarchy", which is just the opposite of anarchy, and implies total governmental control over a population by manipulating, engineering and controlling the three major areas of civilization management.

A. controlling politics (appearance of ‘elected’ representation)

B. controlling economics (central banking)

C. controlling religion (instilled belief systems)

All of the above are easily orchestrated through generations of media, education and information (propaganda) control. It begins at birth with parental sovereignty and continues on throughout life experiences as sovereignty shifts through the modes of "civilized" expectations and public scrutiny. This type of "social engineering" has been refined over many years of experimentation and applications in many countries and many situations. Without the help of mass media, one must decide if there is indeed a one world conspiracy, and indeed if it is of a sinister nature, or merely a natural evolutionary step.

One does not need to even believe in conspiracy, but it is necessary to understand that there are many who do believe, understand the principles and take actions accordingly. In this regard it is necessary to investigate a full range of information in order to avoid decisions made on blind emotional faith, peer pressure, imagination or outright manipulation. In remote viewing it is known as AOL, or, critical Analytical Overlay….

Consider he following from a book by Dr. John Coleman, Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of 300.

"…I was privileged to receive a copy of The Changing Images of Man from my intelligence colleagues 5 days after it was accepted by the United States government. What I read shocked me, as I realized I was looking at a blueprint for a future America unlike anything I had ever seen before. The nation was to be programmed to change and become so accustomed to such planned changes that it would hardly be noticeable when profound changes did occur…As a nation we have not noticed how Changing Images of Man has radically altered our American way of life forever…Worse yet, having been subjected to a barrage of crimes in high places, plus the trauma of the Vietnam war, our nation seemed no longer to want truths. Such reaction is carefully explained in Willis Harmon’s technical paper. In short, the American nation was reacting exactly as profiled. Worse yet, in not wishing to accept truth, we took matters a step further: we looked to government to shield us from the truth…"

Note: Changing Images of Man is a scientific technical report originally commissioned to SRI International (largest military think-tank in U.S., even larger than Rand and Hudson) in 1968 by the U.S. Office of Education, but four years later funding for the project was pulled and it was then financed internally by the SRI and published in 1973, but not made public til 1982 when it was published by Pergamon Press and listed as one of the 1,000 most important technical works of our time. Changing Images of Man is contract number URH (489)-2150 Policy Research Report Number 4/4/74, prepared by SRI Center for the Study of Social Policy, Director Willis Harmon. It is 319 pages, utilizing 14 scientists, and supervised by Tamistock and 23 "controllers", including a high-level officer of the British M16. Tamistock Institute of Human Relations was founded in London in 1948 and is the established world center for ‘foundation ideology’ and the pioneers in behavioral science based upon Freudian guidelines of human control. Tamistock developed the mass brain-washing methods that were used experimentally on American P.O.Ws. in Korean war, and also leads the field in crowd control methods by modifying behavior through topical psychology. The major financial supervision overseeing the "Changing Images of Man" project was the Committee 300, which was founded in 1729 specifically to deal with, manage and control international banking and trade problems, and is run by the British Crown. It links all world banking systems to Rothschild family interests….

Another aspect of the properties of the human psyche that can be exploited to specific agendas can be found in the psychological work of Dr. Stanley Milgram, who spent a decade, shortly after WW II, testing and researching ‘obedience to authority’ in the wake of the atrocities under the influence of the Third Reich and Nazism. His "theory of obedience" can be summed up by the following: The virtues of loyalty, discipline and self sacrifice, valued so highly in individuals of moral and ethical stature, are the very properties that can create destructive organizational dynamics of war and terror and can blind men to malevolent systems of authority. A current example of this still existing in much of the public’s current memory is the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, where 350 men, women and children were needlessly massacred by American servicemen. (This is certainly not an isolated case, but the only one the public has access to at this time I think.)

Another little known piece to this multi-dimensional puzzle is something called the "Iron Mountain Report". (although this report has not been officially proven to actually exist, other than a supposed "leak" by an unidentified participant that was published by Dial Press in 1967, the implications are relevant because of the nature, sophistication, thoroughness and conclusions of the report indicating a high degree of efficient social engineering abilities.There are some among us who believe that the Iron Mt. Report was purposely "leaked" as a test, experiment on the public.) The Iron Mt. Report was begun during the Kennedy administration in order to study the hypothetical problems of a peaceful nation! This ‘think tank’ for peaceful problems, anticipating an end to the Cold War, was made up of highly respected historians, economist, psychologists, sociologists, physicists, industrialists, an astronomer and others. They met secretly in a corporate nuclear hideout at Iron Mountain, Hudson, N.Y. This was an "off-the-books" study, and their report was concluded and submitted in 1966, and it revealed an uninhibited reflection of the ‘problem of peace’, without the normal governmental restraints.

Significantly, the Iron Mt. Report states in part: "The elimination of war implies the inevitable elimination of national sovereignty and the traditional nation-state…the possibility of war provides the sense of external necessity without which no government can long remain in power…the basic authority of a modern state over its people resides in its war powers…We must first reply, as strongly as we can, that the war system cannot responsibly be allowed to disappear until [1] we know exactly what (forms of social control) we plan to put in its place and [2] we are certain, beyond reasonable doubt, that these substitute institutions will serve their purposes…"

A partial list of possible alternatives for the "functions of war" proposed by the Iron Mt. Report:

*A permanent ultra-elaborate disarmament inspection system
*An omnipresent international police force (UN peacekeeping?)
*Comprehensive program of applied eugenics (abortion & birth control)
*Fictitious alternate enemies
*A massive open-ended space research program aimed at unreachable goals
*A comprehensive social-welfare program
*Massive global environmental pollution
*Socially orientated, spectator blood sports (NFL, WWF etc.)
*An established extraterrestrial menace (UFOs & abductions)
* New mythologies and new religions (New Age & cults etc.[Stargate Conspiracy])

A most interesting aspect of the Iron Mt. Report (whether real or fictitious) is its similarity with the social engineering principles found in an even earlier work which first appeared in 1864 in France contained within a book entitled Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesqueiu . It was written by a French lawyer named Maurice Joly. Supposedly it was accepted at the time of its writing as a political satire against Napoleon III. The section in the book that dealt with social engineering was extracted by the Russians in 1890 and re-written, augmented with anti-Semitic proposals on orders from the Czar’s secret police, and titled The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion. In 1897 it was added as an appendix within a book entitled The Anti-Christ is Near at Hand.

The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion (even though originally written as a political satire) remains one of the most influential literary works even today, as it has "inspired" and fueled ultra-extremists with its principles of social engineering, and possibly stands beside "Art of War" as primer textbooks for the would-be puppet masters and conspiracy theorists of the entire planet.

Mention must be made of the consequences of a phenomenon called "artifact induction". A British parapsychologist by the name of Kenneth J. Batcheldor has successfully demonstrated that genuine paranormal phenomena can begin to be experienced or manifest through various methods by first ‘cheating’, or subversively ‘proving’ to a subject that he or she has had a paranormal experience, when in fact they had not. But later actual paranormal phenomenon did occur once the experience had been ‘jump-started’ by the initial false experience. It is easy to see how the human psyche and reality consensus can be manipulated or ‘jump-started’ for many agendas. In considering our challenges we must realize the multi-dimensional aspects we face, in spite of the simplicity expressed through the mass media….

Let me stress again, that the events of the world are being exploited by using the principles of the Ennead, yet the principles of the Ennead also reside and are working within the minds of each separate or collective engineer. The purpose and agenda of the Ennead itself is an open-ended (capable of spontaneous creation) fractal game of polarity manifestation, where, to our appearances, factions of opposing ideologies wage wars against themselves in an never-ending battle for supremacy, which to the Ennead is both entertainment and evolution of self expression. To the Ennead there is no good nor evil, no here nor there, no in nor out, no up nor down….there is merely One expressing through multiplicity. It is the cosmic scissor.
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Ashley-Star*Child
I haven't really psted here, because I preferred to stay out of it, but I will say this. How many of you people saying that Bush and Blair planned this have actually SEEN Iraq, Afganistan, etc? Their country was war-torn by power hungry war-mongers and you're insinuating they AREN'T capable of attacks on Western culture? HELLO all the targets were WESTERN. And, like in all other cases, you all forget the 'little countries' like the Bali bombings, and the constant support Australia has shown (just had to add that in because NO ONE recognizes Australia's support). In fact, even though Bali has a Muslim community it was a WESTERNER'S frequent tourist place that got bombed.

How much, exactly do you people know about the Muslim religion? It preaches death to those that do not convert and digust with our western world. They are trying to scare western culture out of well, western culture.

For people that don't believe Al Queda exists, I suggest you go watch the news for terrorists being arressted for involvement and/or sending money to Al Queda. Is the media in on it too? blink.gif
Richdog
I have to agreew with Ashley-Star*Child for the most part here, I find it amazing how many people seem to be able to speak authoritatively on the subject of terrorism and it's causes without actually knowing that much about it and it's history.

And as alwaus, disregard anything Zeus comes out with, he is a 100% nutjob. w00t.gif
Zeus
Who sells war weapons to terrorist?

Which governments back the sales?

Why haven't we all accepted what we all feel as true?


Is life really safer when we act as sheep without questioning to the government's media ?
Richdog
Zeus why not remove that quote form your post, it is too long and completely unnecessary seeing as you already posted it above.
Zeus
Oh so I did. It must be that relevant then.
Richdog
Doesnt matter a mod will remove it. Carry on the delusion! thumbsup.gif
dmgspycat
In spite of how you feel about Zeus Richdog, he is closer to the truth than most of you naysayers. Something isn't right...there have already been news reports about the deceitful leaders lying to us. WHy do you need to lie to go to war with a country if we just got attacked by terrorists. Because ...a) there never was a credible terrorist threat...and b)there never was a link between the 9-11 and Iraq as suggested by the Whitehouse. People are dying over this charade. Must be nice to cheer on a corrupt war from the comfort of your armchair...what does it matter to you right?

There are alot of unanswered questions about 9-11...including two FBI agents who made money in the stock market with inside information right before 9-11. These types of investigations were stopped...why?

isis-999
That was a good point Ashley, i have already said these people want to kill us over religion, but no one is listen, thanks for the back up! It is to bad there are people in the world who for what ever reason do not understand, The Muslim terrorist, want us dead if we will not convert to there way of thinking, This is not the Muslim religion in whole but the nuts like BIN LADEN, they think this is a holy war, they are doing it for god, and he is going to reward them with great wealth when they get to heaven, our goverment is not doing this, tell me has each president been born and raised to start a NWO, how crazy is that, How would they even know who the next pres, would be; to start and pull off a nwo you would have to have control fore years decades, there is no way!you could never line up that many people to come into power! Think people, think! blink.gif
nick_fury
I agree with every word you said Isis. Is it so hard for you people to believe that there are people put there who will do such terrible things for religion? or are you just in denial, and before any of you claim i am in denial, i have read the majoirty of your conspiritorial posts with an open mind and find them to be pure speculation based on your 'gut feelings' and mistrust of people as a whole
Mr Ed
They mistrust everyone, especially the governments, oh sorry I mean the NWO...
LittlePrincess


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nick_fury
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SnakeProphet
To all the religion people.They are actually not doing that for their religion.They didn't wake up one day and said : " Why don't we kill a few thousands lives today,so that we can take over the world and spread our religion." They're only mentioning Islam because they happen to be muslims,just like Bush uses god and christianity in his speeches.They are using terror to get rid of the influence of the western world on their culture and their country.Blaming it all on religion is really convenient.Why ask questions,if we can simply assume the most obvious reason,and ignore everything else,right?
Mr Ed
Snake, they are doing it for their religion.

It is their Holy War against us, their Jihad. I am sorry, but you must have got your facts messed up down the line.
SnakeProphet
Snake, they are doing it for their religion.

It is their Holy War against us, their Jihad. I am sorry, but you must have got your facts messed up down the line.


They are using their religion as a tool to convert more people to their cause.But that's it.I highly doubt a few fanatic zealots could pull off a stunt like 911 or London.
Mr Ed
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They are using their religion as a tool to convert more people to their cause.But that's it.I highly doubt a few fanatic zealots could pull off a stunt like 911 or London.


Snake, there aren't just a few of them, and they did.
It is something that most people have come to accept now.

That is why it is so hard to catch the bastards. They work in splinter cells that do not completely know about eachother, so if anyone gets caught, they cannot grass up the others.

They did do it, because they believe Allah wants them to.

EDIT- for spelling.
LittlePrincess

i read an article in the paper.......an interview with a suicide bomber.....

he says they do it for allah......to protect his people

"the only person that matters is allah....and all he will ask is how many i have killed. i will pray to allah to bless my mission and to allow me to kill as many as possible"
Stixxman
QUOTE(dmgspycat @ Jul 7 2005, 07:38 AM)
QUOTE(Snake_6024 @ Jul 7 2005, 08:33 AM)
As much as I hate conspiracies,I have to post it in this section since I have to stay away from the official thread now.
So does anyone else think there is something strange with the bombings?Do think you it was Al-quaeda?
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Lets not forget that the city of London has many security cameras...seen and unseen...maybe these might offer more insight as to who really made all of this happen...on the news here in the states they think that the bus bombing could have been done by a suicide bomber...hard to say right now.

Theres many ways to look at this...but things will be made more clear when we all see what the governments response will be...will they use this to increase support for an unpopular war? Was it done by Arab nationals (not extremeists) who are mad at Britain and the States for the tragedy in the Middle East? What Arab would benefit from such a course of action? Most Arab clerics are condemning the terrorist attacks...so who benefits? All interesting questions but lets see how this all plays out first...will more Draconian laws now be passed?

My freind , his daughter and girlfreind are in London right now...I was worried about their safety but they called everyone here to let us know their ok. Hope the same for everyone in London. May the truth eventually be known.
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I heard Britain has the highest coverage of populated areas by CCT in the whole world, somethin like 90%.
Stixxman
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QUOTE(sanchera1978 @ Jul 7 2005, 09:52 AM)
Well i never quite understood why terrorist attack such weak targets. If your going to go through all that trouble wouldnt you want to inflict as much damage as possible. it really doesnt make any sense for them to blow up such small targets. It would be fairly easy to plan out an attack that would easily takes 1000's of lives....
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Its cultural, they may have a flawed idea of how our society works. Or more probably they are cowards. They don't strike at military targets because they could be struck back, and like any other bully in history, they go for the weakest target. If these guys were wariors in the real sense rather than in their own minds then they would assault military targets only. And it would be a fight between armies, but instead they are basically attacking from behind while justifying their actions through misinterpretation of their religious doctrine. There are better ways to fight for the liberation of a country. If you fight the states then the fight isn't on the battlefield its in the media. If you can win the publicity poll then you can defeat the American army without engaging them. thumbsup.gif
XSAS
QUOTE(Stixxman @ Jul 12 2005, 10:49 PM)
QUOTE(dmgspycat @ Jul 7 2005, 07:38 AM)
QUOTE(Snake_6024 @ Jul 7 2005, 08:33 AM)
As much as I hate conspiracies,I have to post it in this section since I have to stay away from the official thread now.
So does anyone else think there is something strange with the bombings?Do think you it was Al-quaeda?
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Lets not forget that the city of London has many security cameras...seen and unseen...maybe these might offer more insight as to who really made all of this happen...on the news here in the states they think that the bus bombing could have been done by a suicide bomber...hard to say right now.

Theres many ways to look at this...but things will be made more clear when we all see what the governments response will be...will they use this to increase support for an unpopular war? Was it done by Arab nationals (not extremeists) who are mad at Britain and the States for the tragedy in the Middle East? What Arab would benefit from such a course of action? Most Arab clerics are condemning the terrorist attacks...so who benefits? All interesting questions but lets see how this all plays out first...will more Draconian laws now be passed?

My freind , his daughter and girlfreind are in London right now...I was worried about their safety but they called everyone here to let us know their ok. Hope the same for everyone in London. May the truth eventually be known.
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I heard Britain has the highest coverage of populated areas by CCT in the whole world, somethin like 90%.
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London does and the suicide bombers have been identified on many camera's but London does not have the ability to monitor all these camera's from one control room as yet, so it takes several days to analyse all the footage.
SnakeProphet
Snake, there aren't just a few of them, and they did.
It is something that most people have come to accept now.

That is why it is so hard to catch the bastards. They work in splinter cells that do not completely know about eachother, so if anyone gets caught, they cannot grass up the others.

They did do it, because they believe Allah wants them to.


Again 90% of them are followers.Try to interview their leaders.Of course they will say they do it for Allah,but that's only for the media.If one of them said it's not for Allah they would loose their support,which would mean the ultimate end to their cause.If they are doing it for religion,they wouldn't be alive now.I have yet to see Bin Laden or Sarkawi sacrafice themselves for their god.They do it for their own agenda,and are using the religion to convert more people to their cause like I already said.


Stixxman, there is no way they could win the american people for their cause.They hate everything about america,so I highly doubt the public would support them,even if they were using peaceful methods to get their point across.
Stixxman
I'll with respect have to disagree with you Mr ED, they are using their religion as an excuse to justify the horrible things they do. If you ask 95% of the muslim population of the world they will agree with me. They are using basic interpretations of their religion to get over. 95% percent of practicing Muslims(its probably more like 98-99%) don't think they have to start the day by killing an infidel. A few crazies have muddied the waters for everyone else.
Sunofone
QUOTE(LittlePrincess @ Jul 12 2005, 03:39 PM)
i read an article in the paper.......an interview with a suicide bomber.....

he says they do it for allah......to protect his people

"the only person that matters is allah....and all he will ask is how many i have killed. i will pray to allah to bless my mission and to allow me to kill as many as possible"
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this is complete rubbish--those people do not represent islam--can people for once use their common sense?--islam translates as peace--someone tricked into killing for peace was never a true servant of islam--no more than a ""christian" general wacko.gif --i can assure you it was not the muslim people who manufactured the C4,land mines,rpg's or sam's used to cause terror--who is the real terrorist? the mind controlled fool or the arms manufacturer? creating the fool is easy first you slowly lower their wage to the point of bankrupcy then you violently kill their family while occupying their territory and cut off their food and water supply--whatever beliefs that,or any,individual in that position held will be twisted into a rationalization for an end to the knightmare--how can anyone rationalize the occupation of iraq?---i know someone who is a private contractor in afgh. and i recently recieved an ominous email from someone who sounds like they dont think they have much time left--his description is one of complete dread in being "outside the wire" and that they are always in fear of their generator being "taken out" --here is the actual email describing a recent event in afgh.--
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To all my very dear friends:

Well as everybody knows I have been in Afghanistan for 1 1/2 year and things here have been real bad outside the wire. I have of course have been outside the wire and have seen lots of combat, casualties and even death. Last night about 4:37AM local time (July 11, 2005), 3 rockets were fired at the base where I live. One of the rockets landed very close to the power plant and the other one by the flight line and the other right in front of my good friends tent. He is now in surgery and I'm waiting to see if he will live or not. I saw the photos of were all of the shrapnel tore through my friend's tent and were he would sleep every night. I saw a picture of the bed he was asleep on and it looked like somebody pored a bucket of blood on it. There was some other soldiers who lived behind him, that is what saved his life. The soldiers put a rag on his throat and got him to the hospital barley alive. This guy is 60yrs old. I had so much adrenalin that I ran outside where I live because I thought they hit the plant. Everybody knows that the power plant is the main target for them to try and hit. I have know idea what will happen next???? Anyway long story short........I just want to say that if anything happens to me. I will have died very happy and please do not fell bad for me. I have lived life to it's fullest. I'm just a trying to say I'm not ready to die, but this is the 2nd time that I have almost been a casualty myself. I guess what I'm really letting everybody know is that I'm happy and no worries..........................R*****d *. S**** FYI, as of this morning 4 contractors have quit and there is rumors of many more that are going to leave as well.
Stixxman
I'm not talking about turning anyone to a side Snake, I'm talking about knowing the rules to the game and playing to win accordingly. The American apperatis does nothing without the backing of the media. If they were not into backing Bush for invading Iraq then it would not have happened. Everything is so PC'ed up that it guides everything we see. Play on the simpathies of the public, 60% of Americans are less than two generations removed from the country of their families origin. The media is a whore that will take anyone's money, give them a good enough by=line and their yours.
SnakeProphet
I'm not talking about turning anyone to a side Snake, I'm talking about knowing the rules to the game and playing to win accordingly. The American apperatis does nothing without the backing of the media. If they were not into backing Bush for invading Iraq then it would not have happened. Everything is so PC'ed up that it guides everything we see. Play on the simpathies of the public, 60% of Americans are less than two generations removed from the country of their families origin. The media is a whore that will take anyone's money, give them a good enough by=line and their yours.

Yes,I see what you mean.But not even the media would be dumb enough to support the terrorists(and let's assume they are not terrorists but are only trying to win this war "uncowardly"),as the media is a part of the sytem that the terrorists are trying to get rid of(in their country).There is no way they could profit from it.As there is no way for the terrorists to achieve their goals,other than with terrorism.They would get blown to pieces in an "honorary" war against USA,just as they would be stamped off as terrorists and anti-democrats in a PR-war.
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