http://www.neoliberalismo.com/awol.htm

this article documents the Clinton failures that lead to 911! It also documents how often Clinton failed to see the CLEAR warnings but did nothing!

Good find!

The terroists are clearly to blame for 9/11 as they carried it out. No-one made them.

Exactly!

omg this is classic stuff panther! did you switch sides and become a satirecal comedian?
to finger clinton and hi-light the first wtc attack is not a very good thing to do if yor backing the govt-- in case you didnt know the bobmings in 93' were exposed as being perpetrated by the fbi--they admit this guys--in fact it cannot be denied as secret tapes made by an egyptian secret service officer proove--he was paid 100,000 dollars by the fbi to perpetrate a "sting" operation where he would ,clandestinely working for the govt , recruit or lure "terrorists" into a fake bombing scenario in order to pre-emptively catch a crook before they strike--well he found some ignorant,despaerate arabs that he was able to trick into perpetrating the plan--but when the fbi "gave" him "real" explosives and told him to let the bombing occur he became distraught and secretly recorded the fbi ordering him to use the "real" explosives(the plan had originally called for "fake" material) and allow the incident to occur--this is common knowledge and has even been reported by the new york times keep up the good work panther that was hilarious

panther........

It seems that your efforts are not appreciated by some.

I agree that a terrorist organization WAS and still IS responsible for September 11, 2001, as well as the ongoing attacks, world-wide.

Perhaps we are speaking in a different language, to some? Arrgggg!!!

Holy Bejeezus sunofone...I didn't know that about the 1993 bombing...now that really changes things doesn't it? The FBI was caught in that kind of operation? Amazing...why don't people find that kind of thing alarming? To busy scapegoating Clinton I guess. But then...it seems that republicans are not subject oriented creatures...lol

Gerald Posner blames Clinton for 9/11, but he also thinks the Warren Commission was right-on and Oswald was the lone gunman (Case Closed)

I wonder if Vincent Bugliosi thinks Clinton's negligence lead to 9/11. After, Bugliosi also believes the Warren Commission got it right, plus Bugliosi was right on about the 2000 election.

Maybe Oswald was the lone gunman, and Clinton could have helped us avoid 9/11 if he'd paid more attention to international terrorism.

Hmmm....

Bill Clinton... is there anything the man can't be blamed for?

Let's put this in perspective, people...

When was GW inaugurated? When was 9/11? Get out a calculator and do the math...

Bush had from Feburary to September to take action against this claim, Clinton action or no. Proof exists that the Clinton administration gave the information they had to the the future Bush administration. Real proof, not Bush's record of service proof. This indicates that they had at least some advance knowledge...

Clinton wasn't president at the time, nor did he have say in the pre-incident investigation (aside from the information his administration gave to Bush's). Clinton proposed several police actions against Osama Bin Laden, but each one was mysteriously met with an accusation against him that he had to go to court over- Whitewater, the Serbs, Monica...

Yet, when it happened, Clinton was blamed by everyone- from the 9/11 firemen on duty that day to the Bush administration decided to talk about how PRESIDENT CLINTON could allow this... what? Was Clinton president again for just that day? I didn't know someone could not be president on the days our country's screwed up the ass. But it's apparently plausible for someone you hate to be president on das you look like an ass. Note to self- if I become the first woman president, then I decree that Angelina Jolie be president on days I screw up, because I hate that b****.

9/11 was such a unique attack that they might have not stopped it anyways, but let's not fool ourselves:

The FBI screwed their homeland investigation.

The CIA screwed their international investigation.

The Bush administration blew off all memos deemed worthy of reaching the White House.

This was Clinton's negligence HOW?

i call BS of the highest magnitude, something like this if it were so definately true, doesn't get blown off

You have now dicredited pretty much every claim againist Bush for 911 for same reasons thanks

As Mr. Ed said. The Terrorists are clearly to blame because they commited the crime.

what do you have to say now?
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The 1993 World Trade Center Bombing

26 February 2004

By G.N. GRAND

New York (IP)- Emad Salem, working on behalf of the FBI as an informant, conspired with other terrorists to blow up the World Trade Center using a well-placed truck bomb. Mr. Salem attempted to execute the FBI plan to substitute fake explosives and arrest the other terrorists. Unfortunately, a senior FBI official prevented the substitution, and the terrorists used live explosives, killing 6 civilians.

The New York Times reported:

Mr. [Emad] Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists who are now charged in…the World Trade Center attack. Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer [Salem] said after the blast.



…hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing.



… Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said, “came and messed it up.” “He requested to meet me in the hotel,” Mr. Salem says of the supervisor… “and if he didn’t push for that, we’ll be going building the bomb with a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn’t do that.”



Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem’s account, but rather, appears to agree with it...



In one of the first numbered tapes, Mr. Salem is quoted as telling agent Floyd: “Since the bomb went off I feel terrible. I feel bad. I feel here is people who don’t listen.” Ms. Floyd seems to commiserate, saying, “hey, I mean it wasn’t like you didn’t try and I didn’t try.” In an apparent reference to Mr. Salem’s complaints about the supervisor, Agent Floyd adds, “You can’t force people to do the right thing.”



…In another point in the transcripts, Mr. Salem recounts a conversation he said he had with Mr. Anticev, saying, “I said, ‘Guys, now you saw this bomb went off and you both know that we could avoid that.’ “ At another point, Mr. Salem says, “You get paid, guys, to prevent problems like this from happening.” Mr. Salem talks of the plan to substitute harmless powder for explosives during another conversation with agent Floyd. In that conversation, he recalls a previous discussion with Mr. Anticev. “Do you deny,” Mr. Salem says he told the other agent, “your supervisor is the main reason of bombing the World Trade Center?” Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev did not deny it. “We was handling the case perfectly well until the supervisor came and messed it up, upside down.”[1]

The New York Times also reported:

Some of the most striking passages in the transcripts show Mr. Salem agonizing over what he suggests was the failure of the F.B.I., despite his information, to halt the Feb. 26 bombing of the trade center, in which six people were killed. Although Mr. Salem is not a witness in that case, he was working with the Government at that time.



“They told me that ‘we want to set this,’” Mr. Salem said, referring to the bomb in a conversation on April 1 with John Anticev, one of the F.B.I. agents he reported to, and sometimes complained to others about. “What’s the right place to put this?”



Then he added, still speaking to the agent: “You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that’s that. That’s why I feel so bad.”[2]

The New York Times was the only major newspaper to report on Mr. Salem’s tapes with law enforcement officials. However, Reuters News Service did report on FBI attempts to falsify explosives tests concerning the bombing:

FBI agent Frederic Whitehurst said he disagreed with the final report prepared by the FBI that was to have been used by the government at the trial of four men accused in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Centre. “There was a great deal of pressure put upon me to bias my interpretation,” Whitehurst said in Federal Court in Manhattan. He said his superiors told him “not to provide alternative theories that could be used…”



Whitehurst told the court that initial reports about the presence of urea nitrate [an explosive] were false. He said it so upset him that false testimony would be offered that he went to the bathroom, urinated into a beaker and went to extremes to demonstrate that false information was being offered. Whitehurst said he formulated urea nitrate from his own urine and placed that sample with others taken from the bomb scene. He said the FBI technician failed to notice the difference between the samples.



Whitehurst said he was so upset at the “strong pressure” being put on him by FBI members that he wrote two memos to the Inspector General about the matter. “I was criticised openly and told I could hurt the prosecution case ... that the prosecution was going to circumvent my testimony by having another expert testify,” said Whitehurst, who described himself as the “dean” of the FBI explosives school in Virginia. Whitehurst… holds a doctorate in chemistry from Duke University. After the trade centre trial Whitehurst was transferred to the paint chip analysis division of the FBI as a trainee.[3]

The Independent of London reported:

The US poured cash into Afghanistan throughout the 1980s… in those days, the US and Mr. bin Laden were on the same side, but it now appears that America may actually have aided Mr. bin Laden's organisation and even trained some of those who it now contends are "terrorists".



It [American intelligence] discovered that several of those charged with the World Trade Centre bombing and the New York landmarks bombings were former Afghan veterans, recruited through the Brooklyn-based organization (an al Qaeda front[4]). Many of those the US had trained and recruited for a war were still fighting: but now it was against America. A confidential CIA internal survey concluded that it was "partly culpable" for the World Trade Centre bomb, according to reports at the time…[5]

The U.S. government was complicit with the terrorists. It helped the terrorists build a bomb It prevented its informant from substituting phony explosives. It allowed the bombing to happen. It has actively concealed the plot for over 10 years.
http://www.theinternationalpost.com/93WTC.htm

the nyt article
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The FBI allowed the 1993
WTC bombing to happen

THE NEW YORK TIMES

* * * * *

Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"

By Ralph Blumenthal

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building
a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center,
and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting
harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after
the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb
and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by
an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer,
Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of
hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his
talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as
being in a far better position than previously known to foil
the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.

The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people
injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars.
Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court
[on charges of involvement] in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used
by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle
of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases:
the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy
the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other
New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the
second bombing case, but his work for the Government was
erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast,
he was feuding with th F.B.I.

Supervisor `Messed It Up'

After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an
undated transcript of a conversation from that period,
Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent
about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said,

"came and messed it up."
"He requested to meet me in the hotel,"

Mr. Salem says of the supervisor.

"He requested to make me to testify, and if he didn't
push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with
a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was
involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that."

The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to
complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the
Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by
an agent identified as John Anticev.

Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him,

"He said, I don't think that the New York people would
like the things out of the New York Office to go to
Washington, D.C."

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute
Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it,
saying of the `New York people':

"Well, of course not, because they don't want to
get their butts chewed."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcbomb.html

one more source with the most details available--
cont from above...
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--Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it, saying of the New York people: "Well, of course not, because they don't want to get their butts chewed."--

Mary Jo White, who, as the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York is prosecuting defendants in two related bombing cases, declined yesterday to comment on the Salem allegations or any other aspect of the cases. An investigator close to the case who refused to be identified further said, "We wish he would have saved the world," but called Mr. Salem's claims "figments of his imagination."

The transcripts, which are stamped "draft" and compiled from 70 tapes recorded secretly during the last two years by Mr. Salem, were turned over to defense lawyers in the second bombing case by the Government on Tuesday under a judge's order barring lawyers from disseminating them. A large portion of the material was made available to The New York Times.

In a letter to Federal Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Andrew C. McCarthy, an assistant United States attorney, said that he had learned of the tapes while debriefing Mr. Salem and that the informer had then voluntarily turned them over. Other Salem tapes and transcripts were being withheld pending Government review, of "security and other issues," Mr. McCarthy said.

William M. Kunstler, a defense lawyer in the case, accused the Government this week of improper delay in handing over all the material. The transcripts he had seen, he said, "were filled with all sorts of Government misconduct." But citing the judge's order, he said he could not provide any details.

The transcripts do not make clear the extent to which Federal authorities knew that there was a plan to bomb the World Trade Center, merely that they knew that a bombing of some sort was being discussed. But Mr. Salem's evident anguish at not being able to thwart the trade center blast is a recurrent theme in the transcripts. In one of the first numbered tapes, Mr. Salem is quoted as telling agent Floyd: "Since the bomb went off I feel terrible. I feel bad. I feel here is people who don't listen."

Ms. Floyd seems to commiserate, saying, "hey, I mean it wasn't like you didn't try and I didn't try."

In an apparent reference to Mr. Salem's complaints about the supervisor, Agent Floyd adds, "You can't force people to do the right thing."

The investigator involved in the case who would not be quoted by name said that Mr. Salem may have been led to believe by the agents that they were blameless for any mistakes. It was a classic agent's tactic, he said, to "blame the boss for all that's bad and take credit for all the good things."

In another point in the transcripts, Mr. Salem recounts a conversation he said he had with Mr. Anticev, saying, "I said, 'Guys, now you saw this bomb went off and you both know that we could avoid that.' " At another point, Mr. Salem says, "You get paid, guys, to prevent problems like this from happening."

Mr. Salem talks of the plan to substitute harmless powder for explosives during another conversation with agent Floyd. In that conversation, he recalls a previous discussion with Mr. Anticev.

"Do you deny," Mr. Salem says he told the other agent, "your supervisor is the main reason of bombing the World Trade Center?" Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev did not deny it. "We was handling the case perfectly well until the supervisor came and messed it up, upside down."

The transcripts reflect an effort to keep Mr. Salem as an intelligence asset who would not have to go public or testify.

A police detective working with the F.B.I., Louis Napoli, assures Mr. Salem in one conversation, "We can give you total immunity towards prosecution, towards, ah, ah, testifying." But he adds: "I still have to tell you that if you're the only game in town in regards to the information," then, he says, "you'll have to testify."

Studied for Signs of Illegality

The transcripts are being closely studied by lawyers looking for signs that Mr. Salem and the law enforcement officials, in their zeal to gather evidence, may have crossed the legal line into entrapment, a charge that defense counsel have already raised.

But the transcripts show that the officials were concerned that by associating with bombing defendants awaiting trial in the Metropolitan Correctional Center, Mr. Salem might have been accused of spying on the defense.

In an undated conversation, Mr. Anticev tries to explain the perils.

"We're not allowed to have any information regarding that," he tells Mr. Salem. "That could jeopardize, you know, if you go see a lawyer, ah, you know, with the defendant's friend or whatever like that, and you're talking about things we're not suppose to, ah, condone that. We're not supposed to make people do that for us. That's like sacred ground. You can't be privileged, ah, you can't know what's being talked about at all."

Mr. Salem seems to bridle. "I, I, I don't think that's right," he says.

The agent insists: "Yeah, but that's just a guideline. If that ever happened, ah, you can back and reported on the meeting between, ah, you know, Kunstler and Mohammad A. Elgabrown. Forget about it. I mean a lot of people ah the case can get thrown out. You understand?" The references were to the defense lawyer, Mr. Kunstler, and his client in the second bomb case, Ibrahim A. Elgabrowny.

Mr. Salem seems to reluctantly agree.

"They want you to have a hand in it," Mr. Anticev goes on, "but they're afraid that when you get that kind of, ah, too deep, like me, it's almost like, especially with all this legal stuff going on right now."

If it were just intelligence gathering, the agent says, "You can do anything you want. You could go crazy over there and have a good time. Do you know what I mean?"

The agent goes on: "But now that everything is going to court and there is legal stuff and it's just, it's just too hard. It's just too tricky, if, this, you know. And then there's the fact if you come by with the big information, he did this, ah, let me talk about this with the other people again."

"O.K.," Mr. Salem says. "All right. O.K."
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3c830e34de.htm

Um, either I worded this really wrong... or you have your lips planted so far on Bush's ass you're getting pollups on your tongue.

I DID say that Bush was at least partially fault. He was president, he had been president since Feburary, and it was him and his staff getting those warnings about plane attacks that went neglected.

Apparently, sarcasm and ironic wording is lost on Bush supporters- I'll be a lifeless corpse next time just for you, ok? TO LOU DOBBS FOR INSPIRATION!

me too only i believe the real terrorists responsible for the attacks are the bush administration and the military/industrial(oil cartels and bankers) complex--for the record we did fund and train al-ciaduh

Hey, not so fast, all you conspiracy nuts - look at what the FBI found (just the other day) sticking halfway out of a sewer grate, only two blocks away from ground zero!!

There you go - what more proof do you need?

Hilarious! That's i,t I'm convinced now that Bin Laden is responsible

I really wish the 1993 WTC bombing was common knowledge. People just can't comprehend that somthing of that magnitude could be covered up. Welcome to AmeriKa folks.

I feel like I live in a parralel universe knowing what I do, and surround by sheep.

Perhaps we are not sheep.Perhaps you just live in a mental dellusion. hmm. I say your dellusional.

Hey Turbonium that was funny as sh@t! Got a kick out of that...

Perhaps...

Definition Delusion -

A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them. Delusions are often accompanied by hallucinations and/or feelings of paranoia, which act to strengthen confidence in the delusion. Delusions are distinct from culturally or religiously based beliefs that may be seen as untrue by outsiders.

The problem with that accusation is is that my beliefs are backed up by facts. I know everything you know, and then some.

Panther, you really do look over alot of deceitful things Bush has done. Can he do no wrong? Whats it gonna take to make you come out swinging? lol

WHat would he have to admit?

I dont recall (as you suggest) that Bush cant or hasnt done wrong. I have said and have kept saying I dont buy the consiracy theor your spinning. I have also not tried to sway your pinion (beating a dead horse) as you have. I respect your view and I understand you find your evidence enough to convict. I dont share that faith. Bush is far from a Saint and I have NEVER claimed he was. I also pointed out the less than Saintly actions of others and their alledged invovlement in this disaster. what would he have to admit nothing because your wrong I never said he could do no wrong nor did I say he never had.

It's only delusional to believe things like Atta's pristine passport being found at the WTC (just like Bin Laden's! ); to not find it so completely adsurd that you are compelled to wonder how they dared show such brazen audacity in actually spewing it out and thinking the public would lap it up!!

"There's another sucker born every minute!" - PT Barnum

If the majority of people actually believe Atta's passport was found, then ol' PT was far too low in his estimate!!

Perhaps we should consider the possibility that El Quaida is taking responsibility for things accomplished by others.

Bin Laden, and his group are to blame, hello why do you think his family had the FBI fly them out of the country right after the towers fell? they knew he did this even before the smoke cleared,and they were afraid for there lives; see if Bush and the other's had done it the BIN LADEN family would not have ran as fast as they could,back to there home land!! and 1993 was only the beginning,

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1025.htm

Here is a peice done by a Canadian t.v. company that had nothing to gain. This is a bit condenced but watch the story and hear it for yourself,or see it for yourself.

The most important part is that these people are all, well educated,well versed in politics, and are for the most part members of the political community of the U.S.

Look for part 2 as well.

Osama Bin Laden really IS hiding in Utah! I was right!

On the rest of it... I know I say this so often it's lost all meaning, but...

What the HELL are you talking about?!

You didn't watch did you! OBL is not the main story is it ! 9/11 and the why's and why not's. It was not one man Osama that pulled it off..

Um, I couldn't get it to work, if that was directed at me...

I was talking to Isis. Seriously, why do I bother? I must have asked them what they're talking about 50 times, and all I get back is a lot of rambling about Bush paying for Clinton that never answers my questions(or anyone else's, judging from how many people ask them what they're talking about)...

i dont just think bush is solely to blame, alot of the blame i feel lies with the whole clan i.e the advisers, policy makers, the hawks of the whitehouse and the neo-cons.