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JohnnyBoyC
The Al-Queda claimed responsibility for the bombings in London. Do you think this is valid, or forged?
SnakeProphet
They have already removed that link,if I'm not mistaken.
The one who posted that propably wasn't even part of their organization.
Super Pancake
Its probably real, I don't think an Extremist group would let somebody else take responsibility for their work and lose their chance to state their ideology.

Unless the attack got some serious back lash and could hurt the cause maybe the real perpetrators decided not to claim responsibility, so another group who needs the publicity might have said hey it was me.

However on the news a "former C.I.A. Analyst" said something about we have to wait and see because eventually somebody is going to talk.
XSAS

It has all the hallmarks of of a smaller splinter cell of Al Qaeda.
openmind1963
the british government,and the american government who i'm sure is aiding in the investigation probably know exactly who did it easily,by comparing similarities of the crime scenes,and certain similarities in the content of the explosive,like the detonators,and what exactly the explosive was.
dmgspycat
Geez...you guys are slow. DOn't you already know who did it? It was those radical religious Islamists...we don't have proof yet but...it doesnt matter because thats the story my government gave me and I'm sticking to it...lol
openmind1963
QUOTE(dmgspycat @ Jul 9 2005, 02:35 AM)
Geez...you guys are slow. DOn't you already know who did it? It was those radical religious Islamists...we don't have proof yet but...it doesnt matter because thats the story my government gave me and I'm sticking to it...lol
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i've recovered secret documents from area 51 that says our government went back in time and did it,then got held captive by klingons. laugh.gif
Ashley-Star*Child
I'd say it was a branch off of Al Queda. They have claimed responsibility, according to Sky News yesterday. The day before that, no one had come forth to wave the flag of bravado.
ALNA70
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Jul 8 2005, 10:49 PM)
QUOTE(dmgspycat @ Jul 9 2005, 02:35 AM)
Geez...you guys are slow. DOn't you already know who did it? It was those radical religious Islamists...we don't have proof yet but...it doesnt matter because thats the story my government gave me and I'm sticking to it...lol
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i've recovered secret documents from area 51 that says our government went back in time and did it,then got held captive by klingons. laugh.gif
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You just made my day with that statement!! Thank you openmind!! grin2.gif grin2.gif tongue.gif
saladins follower
i got a question why is it somethin like this its the radical islamists? huh corn flake
XSAS
Why is somthing like this generally always radical islamists? maybe because of there excellent chicken sh** track record?
Mr Ed
XSAS, it is because we are fighting are a war with them at the moment. Other terroist threats to Spain, America and the UK are minimal when compared to the threat from Islamic extremists.
747400
Don't you think there are so many similarities between London and Madrid that there must be some connection? Doesn't it have all the fingerprints of the European branch of this gang of psychopathic nutjobs?
XSAS
747400, You don't know what similarities there are at the moment other than what the News have reported so it is too early to say "you don't think there are too many similiarities".

Mr Ed.. I know about the what your saying but I was answering the previous post from saladins follower.
Mr Ed
Ok, I didn't see that last bit, I hope it hasn't just mysteriously appeared there either. I probably misread it.


I think 7 is right (agreeing on things for a change), there are lots of similarites due to the styles of the bombings. There is no reason whatsoever to disbelieve what the media are saying at the moment.
XSAS

Yeh.. I also misread 7s post... sorry mate, I thought you were saying there were few similarities to Madrid.
747400
Sorry if i wasn't too clear XSAS, i was saying that i think there are too many similarities for it not to be connected : bombs going off on several trains at the same time... the same time of day, when the trains would be packed ... it looks like a very similar style of working, whatever they may call themselves, whether they claim any allegiance to Al Qaeda or not.
XSAS

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girty1600
Should it matter that a group has claimed responsibility or not? Reading some of the posts earlier in this thread makes me think that the answer is "no". Perhaps I always look for the most obvious solution to a problem; in this case the fact that a splinter Al-Qauda affiliate boasted the act as their own work makes me think this is the most logical explanation. More logical, that is, than say the government's involvement.
I agree with 747400 in that the signature of the bombings will be traced back to it's roots.
Mr Ed
Even if we what group the bastards have come from, it will be hard to catch them.
XSAS

There are forensic teams from Madrid on the scenes of the bombings right now.
girty1600
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jul 9 2005, 04:15 AM)

Even if we what group the bastards have come from, it will be hard to catch them.
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True but if you can find out where it came from for sure then we will know where it most definitely didn't come from; like the government. thumbsup.gif
Mr Ed
You are right, maybe that will shut up some of the idiots floating around here saying that my government is to blame for killing its own innocent people.
girty1600
That was what I was hoping for myself. wink2.gif
ALNA70
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Jul 9 2005, 05:21 AM)
You are right, maybe that will shut up some of the idiots floating around here saying that my government is to blame for killing its own innocent people.
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I agree with you and my heart goes out to those who lost their lives in this attack.

I guess, by your above statement, you know how some U.S. citizens feels about all these theories. hmm.gif
Lostchild1962
Sorry ..But you never know..Our own gov't has killed our own for as long as we have stood the test of time..

Comment:The military-industrial complex has the motive in this latest attrocity. Every major western government, including the British, has been caught red-handed carrying out bombings against their own people and blaming it on external enemies. It is mainstream news in Spain that the government was involved in the 3/11 bombing. The London 7/7 bombings are nothing different. Government ghouls are now all over television spreading the fear to encourage the people to submit to the war on terror. Get our films, learn the truth and expose who is gaining power from terrorism, or our freedoms are dead.

But I must add also this is so sad, loss of life..The gov't suxs. The gov't kills ppl everyday by taking food and meds away from those who really need it..like the young and elderly..maybe some are your parents, grandparents..to me thats wrong..

Thats what war is all about kids..The gov't, the price for freedom..hell..what freedom??
The people all over the world go to war to fight, and kill..Its not a pretty picture, and I hate war myself or terrorists attacks..So untill you fight in a war, and kill children,women ect ect.(for your country, gov't..ect ect..you dont see the real picture..
I saw men come back from V'nam in 1972, it was all from gov't lies, just like all the wars..Its useless..No wonder so many people hate America, we always butt in other ppls affairs..
sorry for going on..But I just hate when the useless gov't cover up to save their own a$$.
wake up or die
live free or die
But what do I know? Im just labeled an Idiot by Punks, that are clueless..My heart also goes out to those who lost their lifes..whoever did it, bloods on their hands..
Mr Ed
I can officialy no longer be bothered with these conspiracies regarding London. I find them far to ridiculous and what particularly angers me is that the vast majority of these people who make these fantastical and outrageous claims about the British government are American.

Maybe if I can stop myself calling people with theories like you idiots, I will return to this forum. Bye.
Zeus
The IRA have also made multiple attacks before. I liked them for actualy attacking government officials, though i heared it may have been an British insider job. I think that without understanding the nature of causing terror we will be left in the dark about what terrorists are and why they are not effetive. by shouting at another group's oppresion with bombs against it's people has never really worked for the terrorist freedom fighter. A hopeless battle for the rights of the people has been more successfully played by Fidel Castro and other named terrorists of their time. No they were freedom fighter who opened up coups but the idea of defeating an enemy by facing the enemy is a more realistic way to change laws and minds of the majority. What is today's terrorism achieving. It is obvious but what should the terrorists be achieving. A change of policy forced upon a government perhaps by it's people or more, by constant attack on it's resources or personell. not many bridges being blown up or no petrol tankers or supplies being hit. Fidel would have, I would have, but terorists aim at the innocent people of no consequence to the rulers, as we have seen with centuries of corrupt government leaders worldwide. So the terrorist can either attack a countries resources and transport more at the infratructure foundation level, Or they can attack the country leaders. i beleive if i was a so called terrorist i would choose more than the usual blowing up people to make effective my claims for justice. That's why i laugh at the way the charades ahve been constructed. The only and main gain for the terrorists is human terror of living. Which as the so calle IRA made obvious, whatever they do, people are not going to join in arms to make governments settle arguements properly with the elusive elements of terror. People just do not do anything. they are lead to keep up the upper lip and not complain thus fodder for the taking of their fear by whoever is skilled in the arts of black magic over millions. The death of diana was so constructed to effect the peoples of the world in the same waty and reason this bombing and most bombings around the world are orchestrated. but proving or reasoning this argument is like surfing against a tsunami. I just am wondering how many terrorist groups are managed by the elite....Of course if You were that powerful and ritch, would you not play with the people the way you want if you were also corrupt and decptive with your power? You might not have fun with the masses but some o the others might. We cannot yet prove that the recent terror attacks were atually teror attacks. It was that easy for England to accept without a shred of skepticism, the ability for their government, police and news services to be lying to them, though people do nothing all the time when ministers lie and bend facts to reason an Iraq military attack and get away with it. The people ow distrusting yet again effortlessly trust them the next minute when another lie is effortlessly placed over their eyes. In time conspiracy will reveal the facts currently hidden and we will see a link to 911. A very powerful satanic link that is a mere joke and feeding frenzy for the so called lofted ones....Give me a sonic gun so I can rip their molecules to shreds....
Zeus
Just look at the joke he illuminati have been playing on the blacks. This shows just how easily the media can influence. luis farrakahn spoke of the illuminati effort to put blacks on a pedastool in a big way whilst sewing seeds of fascism. Years later, I see blacks suddenly on billbors and throughout the media ever building. this month celebrating Africa with enough zeal that even africans may see reason to wonder why. Yet all awhile small eruptions are coming up with fascist ideas lightly but definately being spread. i only say this because the point will come when someone will excitesome of you to a level of emotion to blind you from a fact that they are hearding your opinions against a suggested problem.... The niger problem will come up and be squashed by the majority, but will the religious hype about preserving freedom against those who are different eventually cause a reaction large enough against the liers who instigate modern terrorism while governing your countries...?

I think that is their plan, eventually something is going to be made to slip big time and i guess a lot of Americans will become very angry against the lies of their leaders. i say this because i have been to america, and apart from the political views, i can easily say that americans do actually care for the innocent abroad and are not the white devils Bin laden speaks of. But what does a white satanic devil really look like and do the Arab leaders have any reasoning to call the western leaders white devils?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
You people are nuts. Every event is somehow conspiracy related. Ridiculous.
openmind1963
i think that if thursday's bombs were to have been detonated in another city like rome,paris,or geneva the death toll would have been higher.i think all those years
of living with the threat of ira bombings actually helped britain the other day.
dmgspycat
Hey openmind...I like your choice of rock guitarists.
XSAS
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Jul 10 2005, 01:21 AM)
i think that if thursday's bombs were  to have been detonated in another city like rome,paris,or geneva the death toll would have been higher.i think all those years
of living with the threat of ira bombings actually helped britain the other day.
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No the Terrorist failed even though they killed dozens and injured hundreds if their explosives devices had been built properly they should have had a far bigger death toll, they hit London at peak travel time with crowded trains...
747400
I've only just had a look at this thread, all i can say is I'm glad i didn't before, as i would have broken all the rules on profanity.

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The IRA have also made multiple attacks before. I liked them for actualy attacking government officials, though i heared it may have been an British insider job.


No further comment is even possible.

Just, please, try to bear this in mind, conspiracists: real people were killed on Thursday. A lot of people - even some on these forums - knew people who were involved, many are still waiting for news, still waiting for confirmation that people they know might be alive or dead.

In the name of humanity, please, have some decency to think before playing your intellectual games.
Mr Ed
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The IRA have also made multiple attacks before. I liked them for actualy attacking government officials, though i heared it may have been an British insider job.



Whoever said this is an idiot. The IRA killed innocent people.

Hurl abuse back at me if you want, because I have not followed forum decorum, but patting a malicious terroist on the back because they tried to attack government officals is ignorant and disgusting.
TraJikMaJik
While my heart goes out to those who have suffered due to the terrorist attack, I must say, this has conspiracy written all over it. Its crazy watching tony blair and bush giving speaches after the event, its basically the same speach from 9/11. "We Will remain diligent, and get those terrorist folk"
Its all BS Propoganda. Listen to the speeches.. Its like President Tony Blush is speaking.
But whatever im not gonna get into it much, if you are too blind to see what is going on, you are just plain ignorant.
girty1600
QUOTE(TraJikMaJik @ Jul 10 2005, 08:44 AM)
While my heart goes out to those who have suffered due to the terrorist attack, I must say, this has conspiracy written all over it. Its crazy watching tony blair and bush giving speaches after the event, its basically the same speach from 9/11.  "We Will remain diligent, and get those terrorist folk"
Its all BS Propoganda. Listen to the speeches.. Its like President Tony Blush is speaking.
But whatever im not gonna get into it much, if you are too blind to see what is going on, you are just plain ignorant.
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What would you wish them to say after an attack such as this?
Mr Ed
Yes, please do enlighten us ignorant ones.
openmind1963
QUOTE(XSAS @ Jul 10 2005, 11:41 AM)
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Jul 10 2005, 01:21 AM)
i think that if thursday's bombs were  to have been detonated in another city like rome,paris,or geneva the death toll would have been higher.i think all those years
of living with the threat of ira bombings actually helped britain the other day.
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No the Terrorist failed even though they killed dozens and injured hundreds if their explosives devices had been built properly they should have had a far bigger death toll, they hit London at peak travel time with crowded trains...
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what i was trying to state is that you londoners have had experience with reacting to terror attacks.a lot of your police,emts,firemen,doctors,and such reacted in a way that no doubt saved lives due to their quick responces.if the same thing would have happened in tokyo,paris,or rome it would have killed more due to that.
openmind1963
QUOTE(dmgspycat @ Jul 10 2005, 01:50 AM)
Hey openmind...I like your choice of rock guitarists.
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thank you!they are just three of my 10 fave guitarists,i wanted to put a small collage of the top ten,but i do'nt know how to do it.i'm a pc novice at best.
isis-999
I have to agree with ED what is going on here, why are we afraid to put the blame where it should really go, why does it always have to be the goverment? Are people so afraid, they need to make -up stuff just so they can understand! this is crazy,lets lay the blame where it belongs, the terrorist not the goverment,



FOOTNOTE- what would have happen if the goverment had not done anything, what would you all say then, I know you would say they did it, so either way they lose.
XSAS
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Jul 10 2005, 07:21 PM)
QUOTE(XSAS @ Jul 10 2005, 11:41 AM)
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Jul 10 2005, 01:21 AM)
i think that if thursday's bombs were  to have been detonated in another city like rome,paris,or geneva the death toll would have been higher.i think all those years
of living with the threat of ira bombings actually helped britain the other day.
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No the Terrorist failed even though they killed dozens and injured hundreds if their explosives devices had been built properly they should have had a far bigger death toll, they hit London at peak travel time with crowded trains...
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what i was trying to state is that you londoners have had experience with reacting to terror attacks.a lot of your police,emts,firemen,doctors,and such reacted in a way that no doubt saved lives due to their quick responces.if the same thing would have happened in tokyo,paris,or rome it would have killed more due to that.
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Yes I agree, we have one of the best organised response systems in the World our emergency services are top quality when they need to be.
openmind1963
other than israel,i can't think of any other country that has more experience in
responding to bombings like london has.
Zeus
why not encraven? You are nutz for not investigating...where is your argument? As usual.

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Global Gestalt And Planetary Sovereignty

B.R. McEwen

Tetra-Matrix@prodigy.net

October 1, 2001

On Sept. 18, 2001, a week after the horrific attack by terrorists on American soil, I received a lengthy email from an old family friend who I have been in contact for several years…since my teens actually. After working for NASA for a number of years he was hired later by Stanford Research Institute International (SRI Intl.), where he has been working on remote viewing and the Bible Code. His field of expertise was systems analysis and programming. The following is an extract of part of that email communication. I believe in my heart that it was his intention that I make much of what he shared with me public. Four days after I received his email he was found by his daughter floating face down in his swimming pool. He was an excellent swimmer and was found fully clothed.

Although I have reservations about publishing this information, it seems much too important to let my petty fears interrupt with what is perhaps my friend’s wish in which he may have given his life for. May God bless us all during this global transition.

…Already the internet is filled with speculative conspiracy theories, disinformation and propaganda from all sides of the fence regarding the 9/11 tragedy. And the mass media is doing a wonderfully perfect job of keeping a hypnotic public transfixed with the exact information needed to fulfill every agenda of a social engineering plan now going 90 m.p.h. down a dead-end street. What follows are some things you can check out for yourself to verify what I am about to say. And here it is in a nutshell:

The most recent terrorist attacks were not orchestrated by a cabal of secret conspirators, but these latest attacks were and are being exploited to the Nth degree by using all the known principles of social engineering that have been researched and experimented with for perhaps hundreds of years. But, there is a catch 22 to this also; these very same principles of social engineering are actually based on 9 principles of the human psyche, and are also known as archetypes or prototypes of the collective subconscious and the mental creative process innate in all humans. To one degree or another, even those who study and/or implement the principles may or may not know that the principles themselves (the 9) have an agenda separate to what occurs on Earth! SRI has known about and researched the 9 principles for decades. They are referred to as the Ennead and regarded as extra-dimensional intelligences operating both within and without our reality continuum. I can only assume other research and think tanks are privy to the 9 also.

The authors of The Stargate Conspiracy were close to the real truth in many ways, but what they missed was the fact that "The Nine", "Council of Nine", "Ennead" etc., can take on any form, shape or appearance according to the needs or desire or mythical affiliation associated with the observer (the psyche). This means that the 9 principles can even take on anthropomorphic identities and conceivably be worshiped as gods, as was possibly the case with the ancient Egyptians. What appears on the surface to the authors of Stargate Conspiracy as a possible conscious conspiracy going back many decades, is in fact an agenda played out by the 9 principles themselves through researchers, occultists, intelligence agencies and spiritual seekers (to name a few). To all appearances, even those participating in the game of the 9 believe and are totally convinced that the "9" are separate from themselves.

It may help to think of the information I am about to give you as: An Introduction to an Open-ended Scrutiny of the Principles and Methods of Evolution Engineering and the Orchestration of Belief Systems.

To be sure, something extreme and out of bounds from typical media coverage is occurring, and it appears to be the beginning of a shifting paradigm. Whether this shifting paradigm is consciously orchestrated is yet to be determined by most of the public. And yet it has been hinted at by conspiracy buffs and historians for decades that it is counter-productive to freedom and basic human rights. I don’t know, it is too early to say.

It must be stated emphatically that in order for the public to be informed of new and accurate information and to gain greater perceptive faculties on which to make decisions, they must be prepared to rid themselves of all past thought patterns and preconceptions, and in a child-like manner surrender the mind to receive new, novel and unexpected revelations. There seems to be no other way at this time.

As the days unfold with ever increasing visual and semantic coverage bombarding the psyche with perpetual graphic programming, try to recognize the state-of-the art social engineering being consciously or unconsciously aimed at the entire planet, forever changing the evolutionary direction of human destiny. Whether this is for good or evil is yet to be deciphered. Consider also the ongoing consequences of the never-ending drug war still being waged with no end in sight and with no real substantial headway. Think also of the apparent futility of ideological polarities in all the arenas of the world. It is indeed a multi-dimensional challenge assaulting us on all fronts of the imagination.

If we are to believe the media, pretty much of the entire planet is in solidarity over this matter and a coalition of unprecedented dynamics is thriving. From a historical perspective it is very possibly this is the most massive collective consensus of opinion the world has ever known, especially in light of the sheer population of the planet that has never reached this peak in known history. This is indeed a massive, dynamic global gestalt with the potential for extreme transformational manifestations.

In one brief stroke of terrorism, with the blink of an eye, all healthy and constructive criticism of the government has seemed to have vanished almost completely, and all liability displacement, shifting of blame, has been turned to the radical Islamics and their terror machine….

Be reminded of "Art of War" by Sun Tzu (400-320 b.c., China) which states in part that all warfare is based upon careful deception and that the political rulers must always cultivate believable appearances and emotional and moral correctness in order to persuade the populace to fight and murder in the name of a righteous cause. "Art of War" is accepted universally as the oldest formalized principle and concept of conventional warfare, military strategy and even business applications. A short quote from "Art of War" as it pertains to this discussion and in context of our interests: "He must be able to mystify his officers and men by false reports and appearances, and then keep them in total ignorance."

Overnight the entire Western world is, if we are to believe the main stream media, galvanized and united in a "new kind of war" under the umbrella of infinite justice.

True, the terrorist acts were a crime against humanity on a massive scale. Also on a massive scale is the gestalt it propagated for the entire planet. Using the definition of ‘gestalt’ as found and used in military remote viewing, it is: " A unified whole; a configuration, pattern, or organized field having specific properties that cannot be derived from the summation of its component parts." Yet another term direct from remote viewing definition is the word ‘matrix’, which seems to reliably fit into the scheme of our perilous world situation. Matrix: "Something within which something else originates or takes form or develops. A place or point of origin or growth." The implication here is that this ‘matrix’ is a perfect breeding ground for a global ‘gestalt’ for the origin, development and growth of planetary sovereignty. This of course sweeps national sovereignty aside, and this is what is commonly referred to as the "New World Order", "One World League" etc. And again, whether this is for good or evil is yet to be determined, and will be a factor determined by who is at the top of the pyramid capstone and how he/she rose to that position and what motives are actually behind the leadership of such a world government.

To add to the emotional and analytical challenges we now face is the amount of unsubstantiated information, theories, disinformation and ‘evidence’ circulating through the internet . It seems only to add confusion and turmoil to many in the public, yet this is an ingredient, or principle that is not only needed, but often times used consciously in the total equation/formula of social engineering….

Be reminded of a Frenchman named Joseph Alexander Saint-Yves d’Alveydre (1824-1909) who was a leading advocate for something called "Synarchy", which is just the opposite of anarchy, and implies total governmental control over a population by manipulating, engineering and controlling the three major areas of civilization management.

A. controlling politics (appearance of ‘elected’ representation)

B. controlling economics (central banking)

C. controlling religion (instilled belief systems)

All of the above are easily orchestrated through generations of media, education and information (propaganda) control. It begins at birth with parental sovereignty and continues on throughout life experiences as sovereignty shifts through the modes of "civilized" expectations and public scrutiny. This type of "social engineering" has been refined over many years of experimentation and applications in many countries and many situations. Without the help of mass media, one must decide if there is indeed a one world conspiracy, and indeed if it is of a sinister nature, or merely a natural evolutionary step.

One does not need to even believe in conspiracy, but it is necessary to understand that there are many who do believe, understand the principles and take actions accordingly. In this regard it is necessary to investigate a full range of information in order to avoid decisions made on blind emotional faith, peer pressure, imagination or outright manipulation. In remote viewing it is known as AOL, or, critical Analytical Overlay….

Consider he following from a book by Dr. John Coleman, Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of 300.

"…I was privileged to receive a copy of The Changing Images of Man from my intelligence colleagues 5 days after it was accepted by the United States government. What I read shocked me, as I realized I was looking at a blueprint for a future America unlike anything I had ever seen before. The nation was to be programmed to change and become so accustomed to such planned changes that it would hardly be noticeable when profound changes did occur…As a nation we have not noticed how Changing Images of Man has radically altered our American way of life forever…Worse yet, having been subjected to a barrage of crimes in high places, plus the trauma of the Vietnam war, our nation seemed no longer to want truths. Such reaction is carefully explained in Willis Harmon’s technical paper. In short, the American nation was reacting exactly as profiled. Worse yet, in not wishing to accept truth, we took matters a step further: we looked to government to shield us from the truth…"

Note: Changing Images of Man is a scientific technical report originally commissioned to SRI International (largest military think-tank in U.S., even larger than Rand and Hudson) in 1968 by the U.S. Office of Education, but four years later funding for the project was pulled and it was then financed internally by the SRI and published in 1973, but not made public til 1982 when it was published by Pergamon Press and listed as one of the 1,000 most important technical works of our time. Changing Images of Man is contract number URH (489)-2150 Policy Research Report Number 4/4/74, prepared by SRI Center for the Study of Social Policy, Director Willis Harmon. It is 319 pages, utilizing 14 scientists, and supervised by Tamistock and 23 "controllers", including a high-level officer of the British M16. Tamistock Institute of Human Relations was founded in London in 1948 and is the established world center for ‘foundation ideology’ and the pioneers in behavioral science based upon Freudian guidelines of human control. Tamistock developed the mass brain-washing methods that were used experimentally on American P.O.Ws. in Korean war, and also leads the field in crowd control methods by modifying behavior through topical psychology. The major financial supervision overseeing the "Changing Images of Man" project was the Committee 300, which was founded in 1729 specifically to deal with, manage and control international banking and trade problems, and is run by the British Crown. It links all world banking systems to Rothschild family interests….

Another aspect of the properties of the human psyche that can be exploited to specific agendas can be found in the psychological work of Dr. Stanley Milgram, who spent a decade, shortly after WW II, testing and researching ‘obedience to authority’ in the wake of the atrocities under the influence of the Third Reich and Nazism. His "theory of obedience" can be summed up by the following: The virtues of loyalty, discipline and self sacrifice, valued so highly in individuals of moral and ethical stature, are the very properties that can create destructive organizational dynamics of war and terror and can blind men to malevolent systems of authority. A current example of this still existing in much of the public’s current memory is the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, where 350 men, women and children were needlessly massacred by American servicemen. (This is certainly not an isolated case, but the only one the public has access to at this time I think.)

Another little known piece to this multi-dimensional puzzle is something called the "Iron Mountain Report". (although this report has not been officially proven to actually exist, other than a supposed "leak" by an unidentified participant that was published by Dial Press in 1967, the implications are relevant because of the nature, sophistication, thoroughness and conclusions of the report indicating a high degree of efficient social engineering abilities.There are some among us who believe that the Iron Mt. Report was purposely "leaked" as a test, experiment on the public.) The Iron Mt. Report was begun during the Kennedy administration in order to study the hypothetical problems of a peaceful nation! This ‘think tank’ for peaceful problems, anticipating an end to the Cold War, was made up of highly respected historians, economist, psychologists, sociologists, physicists, industrialists, an astronomer and others. They met secretly in a corporate nuclear hideout at Iron Mountain, Hudson, N.Y. This was an "off-the-books" study, and their report was concluded and submitted in 1966, and it revealed an uninhibited reflection of the ‘problem of peace’, without the normal governmental restraints.

Significantly, the Iron Mt. Report states in part: "The elimination of war implies the inevitable elimination of national sovereignty and the traditional nation-state…the possibility of war provides the sense of external necessity without which no government can long remain in power…the basic authority of a modern state over its people resides in its war powers…We must first reply, as strongly as we can, that the war system cannot responsibly be allowed to disappear until [1] we know exactly what (forms of social control) we plan to put in its place and [2] we are certain, beyond reasonable doubt, that these substitute institutions will serve their purposes…"

A partial list of possible alternatives for the "functions of war" proposed by the Iron Mt. Report:

*A permanent ultra-elaborate disarmament inspection system
*An omnipresent international police force (UN peacekeeping?)
*Comprehensive program of applied eugenics (abortion & birth control)
*Fictitious alternate enemies
*A massive open-ended space research program aimed at unreachable goals
*A comprehensive social-welfare program
*Massive global environmental pollution
*Socially orientated, spectator blood sports (NFL, WWF etc.)
*An established extraterrestrial menace (UFOs & abductions)
* New mythologies and new religions (New Age & cults etc.[Stargate Conspiracy])

A most interesting aspect of the Iron Mt. Report (whether real or fictitious) is its similarity with the social engineering principles found in an even earlier work which first appeared in 1864 in France contained within a book entitled Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesqueiu . It was written by a French lawyer named Maurice Joly. Supposedly it was accepted at the time of its writing as a political satire against Napoleon III. The section in the book that dealt with social engineering was extracted by the Russians in 1890 and re-written, augmented with anti-Semitic proposals on orders from the Czar’s secret police, and titled The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion. In 1897 it was added as an appendix within a book entitled The Anti-Christ is Near at Hand.

The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion (even though originally written as a political satire) remains one of the most influential literary works even today, as it has "inspired" and fueled ultra-extremists with its principles of social engineering, and possibly stands beside "Art of War" as primer textbooks for the would-be puppet masters and conspiracy theorists of the entire planet.

Mention must be made of the consequences of a phenomenon called "artifact induction". A British parapsychologist by the name of Kenneth J. Batcheldor has successfully demonstrated that genuine paranormal phenomena can begin to be experienced or manifest through various methods by first ‘cheating’, or subversively ‘proving’ to a subject that he or she has had a paranormal experience, when in fact they had not. But later actual paranormal phenomenon did occur once the experience had been ‘jump-started’ by the initial false experience. It is easy to see how the human psyche and reality consensus can be manipulated or ‘jump-started’ for many agendas. In considering our challenges we must realize the multi-dimensional aspects we face, in spite of the simplicity expressed through the mass media….

Let me stress again, that the events of the world are being exploited by using the principles of the Ennead, yet the principles of the Ennead also reside and are working within the minds of each separate or collective engineer. The purpose and agenda of the Ennead itself is an open-ended (capable of spontaneous creation) fractal game of polarity manifestation, where, to our appearances, factions of opposing ideologies wage wars against themselves in an never-ending battle for supremacy, which to the Ennead is both entertainment and evolution of self expression. To the Ennead there is no good nor evil, no here nor there, no in nor out, no up nor down….there is merely One expressing through multiplicity. It is the cosmic scissor.
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Mr Ed
So true Isis, the government can never win when it comes to conspiracy theorists.
Essan
QUOTE(Lostchild1962 @ Jul 9 2005, 02:40 PM)
Government ghouls are now all over television spreading the fear to encourage the people to submit to the war on terror.


And therein lies the proof that the British Govt weren't involved. Because that's exactly what they're not doing.

All these bombs have achieved is a greater sense pf pride and solidarity amongst British people of all creeds. It may also, ultimately, prove the death-nell for the much disliked plans to introduce complusory ID cards since, by the Govt's own admission, they would not have prevented these attacks.
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