I believe there is god but he has no religion.

Because I think we would die at the very sight of him. I remember people wopuld die if the held the ark of the covenant wrong. So they would die.

Probably because She or He or It doesnt exist. If there is one, i'd love to have a chat with him about a lot of things that is been going on in my life lately...... ...

I think you ask a very good question.
For all of you that are saying 'GOd wouldn't present himself to a living person'
Why? If he really exists why not show him/herself? Why not proove his existence?I think the person who said that God has no religion...that's an awesome idea
I am an Atheist, I am fairly sure that God does not exist, as there's been no proof for me of a higher power.

This might have alot to do with the way you define "God" , When I see a sunset I see God when I look into my son's eyes i see God, When I behold the beauty of a rose i see God,When I sit at the beach and watch the waves crash to the shore I see God, To me god is many forms and infinite possibilitys, God is all there is. I think when we are limited to God showing up in a certain way we miss the whole point, There is a saying "when you don't see God in the profane as well as the profound you are only getting half the story." Why would Godself need to prove itself to godself? Maybe its about remembering and actualizing the definition of divinity that is in each of us????? Namaste Sheri

It's a good way to look at it, but, when planes goes into buildings, bomb explode in subway, kamikaze kills people in a bus, or a man decide to kill millions to conquer or accomplished a greater purpose, when you read in the paper that some 50 years old abuse a 5 years old. What do you see????? FOr me one of the greatest proof that He is not there, or not fair.... When a pitcher goes to the mound in the 9th innings, 1 out left, usually he'll pray or do the cross sign, the batter does it too, wich one does god choose??? When an artist wins an oscar or mtv awards or whatever, the first thing they say... i'd like to thank god without him nothing is possible.... What about the millions that pray god each night but more talented, will never make it???? What about Mom and Dad who pays for your gear or instruments??? Because it's all about Hard work, it's all about your decision and God have nothing to do with the fact that you succeed or not....... Y?? because God isn't there...

I would agree with you Chan34bing the God that has been invented by religion is not out there, , God is not a seperate entity who has human like qualitys granting wishes for some and not for others, prayer is nothig more than thought control we are created in the image and likeness of the creator which to me means I have the ability to create the life I want with the tools that I have been given my mind is one of those tools, Its terribly tragic to have the loss of life under any circimstance let alone senseless, I beleive that "man" understanding of "god" is very misunderstood and incomplete and this is leading to terrible problems, The bible God is understood by man to be vengeful and punishing and very much into justifiable killing and man doesn't question religion i say the truth is right in front of us we only have to stop denying it. Namaste Sheri

“He who says there is no God, without having defined God in a complete and absolute manner, simply talks nonsense. I wait for his definition, and when he has set this forth after his own fashion, I am certain, beforehand, of being able to say to him, "I agree with you, there is no such God"; but that God is certainly not my God. If he says to me: "Define your God," I should reply, "I will take good care to do nothing of the kind, for a God defined is a God dethroned." Every positive definition is deniable, the Infinite is the undefined. "I believe only in matter," another will tell me, but what is matter? In surgery they give that name to excretions, and one might say in philosophy, somewhat paradoxically, that matter is the excretion of thought. The materialists fully deserve to be paid off with this somewhat coarse and Carnivallic definition, they who declare thought the excretion of the material brain, without realizing that this admirable and passive instrument of the workings of the human soul is the masterpiece of a thought, which is not ours.

“If I could define God, in a certain and positive manner, I should cease to believe in God, I should know what he is, but not being able to know this, I simply believe that he exists, because it is impossible for me not to conceive a directive thought, in this eternally living substance that peoples infinite space.

“If believers in exclusive Religions tell me that God has revealed himself and that he has spoken, I reply I do not believe it, I know it. I know that God reveals himself to the human heart in the beauties of Nature; I know that he has spoken by the voices of all the wise and in the hearts of all the just. I read his words, in the hymns of Clianthus and Orpheus, as in the Psalms of David; I admire the grand pages of the Vedas and of the Koran, and find the legend of Krishna as touching as a gospel, but I wax wroth against Jupiter torturing Prometheus and serving as a pretext for the death of Socrates. I shudder when I hear the Christ reproaching, in his last dying sobs, Jehovah for having abandoned him, and I veil my face when Alexander VI professes to represent Jesus Christ. The executioners and tormentors of the human conscience are as odious to me under the priestly reign of Pius VI as under that of Nero. The true Christian Religion is humanity, superhuman in the strength of forgiveness, and the sacrifice of self for others.

“The Gods to whom are sacrificed men are Demons. Reason should for ever thrust away the worship of these Demons, and the idol of the Devil, which has become ridiculous by it, is monstrosity. Those who believe in the Devil, worship the Devil, for they worship his Creator and . . . accomplice. We have already said, The God of the Devil, who reproves the Devil and yet still allows hint to work on for our destruction is a horrible fiction of human wickedness and cowardice; a God of the Devil turned round would become a Devil of a God. Thus speaks reason, but superstition would still impose silence, and that is why many people, excusably enough, leave, while pitying them, to the superstitious their God and their Devil, and themselves believe thenceforth in nothing.

“But even superstition has its raison d'être in the infinities of the human intellect. The Priesthood has succeeded in converting it into a force, by subjecting it to blind obedience. Take away superstition from souls, narrow but ardent, and you convert them into fanatics of impiety. One must even restrain fools through their folly, since they are not willing to be wise.”

^ HUH? I am lost Loge. What does all of that have to do with seeing the face of God?

Well, most of the people, seems to view God, as a superman or a ginni.
A supreme power, who is their to fulfil their wishes and stop all the nonsense which is going all over in this world.

Typically, the excuses for no God are -

Something like 9/11, happened. If He is there, He should have stopped it.
My wishes are not getting fulfilled, so He is not there.
He should appear in front of me, otherwise He is not there.

Conclusion:
If something nice happens (may be unexpectedly) you will believe in him.
If some of your wishes get fulfilled (and if you are humble) you will believe in him.

In my view, He does not exist in material form.
But, He is certainly there in my mind (in some form), since I believe him. And there are incidents and symbols in the material world, which helps me to feel his presence in that form. I treat those incidents or symbols as Him, as they help me to feel his presence.

He certainly gives me strength, whenever I feel weak.

exactly. in the thoughts is the only place any such constructs will ever be found. Gods come and go like fads. The commonality is that they are all products of the creative trying to put together some explanation of life and the unknown. They represent the irrational efforts to portray a rational universe. They constructs are as flawed as their creators. In 95000 years there has been little improvement in the anecdotal tripe generated by the irrational thought processes.

However, people will always seek comfort in their constructs no matter how rediculous.

If you get comfort from anything, it may be ridiculous to others, but certainly not for you. In that case, you will ignore others to let that comfort going............

Why divide the world in rational and irrational?

You experience the world in your own mind. Whether you accept or not, it is only you who is going to experience the affect. Its your choice. You are the sole master of your own mind. How you are going to use it, depends on you. What you believe or do not believe, depends on you.

indeed. Thus we witness the weakness of man in his true form.
The ultimate in giving form to the military is to arrive at formlessness. When one is formless, deep spies cannot catch a glimpse and the wise cannot strategize.


Of the five phases, none is the lasting victor. Of the four seasons, none has constant rank. The sun shines short and long. The moon dies and lives.


This "mind" is not. This world created is not solely of your making. Your experience is fluid and open. The after-effect is in thought, the experience is more subtle.
The military is based on guile, acts due to advantage, transforms by dividing and joining.



Foreknowledge cannot be grasped from ghosts and spirits, cannot be inferred from events, cannot be projected from calculation. It must be graqsped from people's knowledge"
Unfortunately, "choice" is not exercised in a free way, but in a "weighted" way due to the unfolding of events.


Then you are the master of nothing! The "mind" does not exist, and what you think is more a process of interaction and influence than isolation and interpretation.
Wrath can return to joy. Rancor can return to delight. An extinguished state cannot return to existance. The dead cannot return to life.

You are true to your name..........'hyper-active'
Please try to be 'active' only.........since my 'understanding' is not 'hyper'



'Weakness' in your understanding! It depends upon how 'strength' is defined in your mind.



Define your rationality, the other will be obivious.



Without 'mind' you cannot exist in this world. You need it to experience the world around you and only 'mind' provides you that experience.



True. People's knowledge resides in their minds. And you know how we communicate.



'Choice' of accepting or believing? Yes, my friend, you are always free for that. You may be forced to follow or (may be) believe things, but will it have your consent?



'Mind' do exist, otherwise thoughts would not be there. How can you be 'rational' or 'irrational' without it!

The concept of 'God' is always there in our minds, either real or not. Otherwise, how can we discuss on Him?

I see God all the time. Everytime i look in the mirror- and i see myself...I dont just see me, i see God. What i mean by that is that I am God's creation (we all are)- and when i see myself i see what he's done... Sense, touch, sight, hearing, breathing- its all Gods gift.
I appreciate it so much. I see God in me, just as you should see God in you.

and you in return try to separate out that which is truly known and that which is unknown.


it is not defined but experienced. inability to understand, or unwillingness to understand, and instead relying on terms of descriptive convienience is the great deceipt.


more reliance on descriptive convience. you exist without 'mind', you create the concept of mind, just as you create the concept of gods, out of convenience.

free will, is not free at all. everything is a product of systememic interatcions and history. unweighted choice is an illusion. it only exists theoretically.

if you are so insistant on 'mind' show it, produce it. 'mind' is a term created by philosophers fill a void in explanation of ourselves and nothing more. just like gods are 'filler' explanations for the unknown.

I agree with your 3rd statment, hyper, the mind is an explanation for the unkown. Yet I question how you can definately say, that you exist without 'mind'!? If mind can be equated with conciousness then how else would you explain the effect of the 'mind/concioussness' in the quantum world(i.e. the observer effect)?? Certainly something is influencing the other something. And Mind is a reasonable/logical explanation. Yes, the mechanics of the mind/conciousness are unknown at the moment,and it cannot be defined in ordinary mechanical terms, but that does not imply that it does nto exist!! If anything there is more evidence for the existence of the 'mind/conciousness'. I suggest you read some scientific literature on the effects of 'conciousness/MIND' on the quatum world, before you blatently say that the Mind does not exist. Do you at least accept the possibility that conciousness in some form could exist on other dimensions??

why hello there again, venom.

i suggest you stop suggesting i read more on these things before i make statements.

in 'mind' does not exist, first look up what is commonly refered to as 'mind'.

Yes I am quite aware of what 'mind' is commonly refered to as.
The mind embodies quality's such as personality, thought, reason, memory, intelligence, emotion and conciousness.

Hi hyper,



Here it is in your own words -





The fillers in your brain is referred as 'mind' - your memory, thoughts, emotions, knowledge... etc. Brain is just a hardware, whereas mind is the software.



You surely understand the association of these words with a person or a name. This very understanding could not exist without the mind within your brain.

And if you still think you only have a brain (not mind within it), then find some way to produce it in front of your eyes. The mind within it will certainly vanish and so will you......

Hi venom,

'Conciousness' is something I believe is beyond 'mind'. We only feel it through our minds and give it a name. We do not understand anything without associating a word (which in turn gives the meaning) to anything. And ofcourse, we need our mind (intelligence) for understanding. To the rational world (represented by 'hyper' here), 'show it, produce it' attitude will always be there because they do not believe in 'mind', they just have a 'brain'.
The brain is just a robotic mind. And we know the limitation of a 'neurologist'. For them 'brain' itself is still the biggest mystery. Well.............leave the rest!

Agyat

agyat,



do not be so certian of what my stance is. you do know the old saying about assumptions, do you not?

Hi Curiousity,

Well I am a Christian as many know. I have seen things.

I pray for food, money, clothes, shoes, etc.

I will tell you of an example.

I was at the mall and my shoes done blowed out. Broke down and everything. I needed new shoes desperately. Well I prayed God let me figure out a way to get new shoes. Some how make it a way.

The next day I go to my mom's and she provides me with beautiful shoes, one black pair, a brown pair and creme pair. All of which she wore and was tired of. I then had new shoes. I praise God that I recieved those shoes and know that they were given to me because of my faith and what you ask for you shall recieve.

People often do not need signs. But if you pray for God to send you a sign you will be amazed.

101 religious and non religous have stories like this we are creative beings, thoughts are creative its not a sign this applys to anyone aware or not namaste Sheri

Agyat i have actually had a conversation with Hyper on just this subject and you are off the mark why don't you ask Hyper what he means, at his level of understanding its easy for some to misunderstand. namaste sheri

why don't we start a new religion based on hyperactive-all we need is for some christians to arrest him and execute him.

nope nobody has really ever seen him, but then again i dont think i would want to run into God. Mainly because i dont wanna be the one to build and arc or anything. So God may or may not exist, nobody can really determine if he does or not. Now me i believe and i have my reasons but you dont have to. I just feel that everyday is a blessing from god, the fact that i'm alive is a blessing from god. I dont know if he exsists, i believe he does but i cant prove that to you, but i cant prove to you that he does just the same you cant prove he doesnt. so really a religious debate is pointless.

Hyper,

So, what's your assumptions, stance etc.?




And.....

Level of understanding? (where mind does not exist).


Sheri,

Explain that misunderstanding.

Both,

Looking forward to understand from your 'understandings'.........

Agyat

Agyat, i PMed you.

I replied to your PM.
Reply here, as sherri could also share some thought........

Simple, we're suppose to have faith and if we saw him it would be Knowing, not faith.

If you want to test someone to see if they love you and beleive in you even though they can't proove you exist, would you show yourself? Heh, nah.

We can't proove that it's impossible for something to exist that we can't use our senses on/test.