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According to the book, The Magnetic Blueprint of Life, by Albert Roy Davis and Walter C. Rawls, there are many unseen radiation dangers present in our everyday environment. These include not only microwave ovens, but power lines, blenders, electric drills, fluorescent lights, hair driers and other devices. Experiments carried out by some nations of the world may very well have altered our weather.

Here is some of the information Davis and Rawls wrote about high tension wires. "While England and other countries prefer to install high tension wires beneath the ground, in the United States we place the great majority of these dangerous sources of radiation in the open air. Eventually, they will cause a change in the protective ozone layers that surround the earth." "It is the authors' opinion that aerosol cans, as used on the surface of the earth, have no significant effect on the ionosphere shields and the protective ozone layers above the earth, basically due to the small quantities needed to reach these areas from their use on the surface, although a United Nations report has estimated that one percent of the earth's ozone layer has been destroyed by fluorocarbons. Aerosol, freon, other light gases fall in this category. The lightest gas known is hydrogen, principally found in water. Quite a difference exists between unburned hydrocarbons from the exhausts of automobiles and motor vehicles. These gases are heavier than air and remain closer to the earth's surface."

This is what happens to the operator of an electric drill. "High AC magnetic energy and radio frequency waves pass directly through the body of the electric drill operator and, over a prolonged period of time, will cause serious bacteriological changes."

"Tremendous surges of electromagnetic energy, millions and millions of watts, have been pulsed into our atmosphere. We believe, from the evidence available and our knowledge of this science, that the upper strata atmospheric winds that control our weather have been changed. All during the summer months of 1977, these enormous bursts of pulsing electromagnetic energy interfered with communications throughout the world. The U.S. government complained to the Russian government." Global warming, or global weather change caused by government experiments?

The Magnetic Blueprint of Life was first published in 1979.

I remember reading a similar article about the topic of microwaves being dangerous. It said to do your own experiment by growing a plant from seed. On the first plant use regular tap water, and on the second using microwaved water. I never actually bothered to try it. But supposedly the one with microwaved water will not grow.

I've known about this for years. My mother's cousin/guardian did research on this years ago and found that the radiation content of microwave ovens was causing Cancer (especially in the 80's). He was involved and respected in the medical field. So, this is true.

do you have to look much further than the warnings about "leakage" to know that the radiation is not all that good for you? (i don't know if they post the leakage/door seal warnings anymore. this was back a bit.)

Then we have a real conspiracy. This story reminds me of the movie Super size me. McDonalds is so unhealthy, you are better off not eating it at all. How are they allowed to stay in buisness when they have such a unhealthy product. Same thing with the microwave. If it does real damage why do we have one in every home? YOu can say the same thing about cigarrettes. Cigarrettes are a real conspiracy.

the conspiracy here is misinformation and hiding truth. Same as lies as far as i'm concerned. microwave ovens are little radiation boxes that heat your food through the interaction of radiation with it. had i known this i would have never even considered getting one, or relied on it so much for so long.

although i dont remember reading this on my microwave box, i'm sure it was in smallprint somewhere on it. it dosent mean that everyone will read it. unfortunately in our society of convenience smallprint usually gets overlooked.

That's because the water sterilizes in the microwave.... kinda like distilling....

Just to add fuel to the fire of this thread, someone's already figured out a way to use a kitchen microwave as a weapon... Against their own neighbors, no less!

The original article was in German so I dug up a translation. There was a more recent article, but I can't seem to find it.

Link

Berlin, Tuesday 8 October 2002 WELT am SONNTAG
(Sunday edition of the national newspaper Die Welt)

Microwaves as close-range weapons

Neighbours attack each other with ovens that have been tinkered with. The radiation penetrates through walls and leads to heavy health damage. Already 150 criminal procedures.

by Julia Winkenbach

Berlin - If Irmgard K. from Kalchreuth near Nuernberg wants to have peace in her own home, then she must get out. Out of her own appartment, to go somewhere, only to get away. If she remains at home, it starts all over again: Headaches, giddyness, a rumble in the ears, rapid heart rate. This is due to microwaves, which are obviously directed intentionally into the house
of Irmgard K., in order to torture her. Bad-intentioned neighbours, as they suppose, irradiate
the walls of her appartment with a converted microwave oven. Dr. Reinhard Munzert, who shares her life, speaks of "a new form of High Tech crimes", which affects more and more people at a national level. Approximately twenty of them have already decided to unite in an "interest group of victims of electrical weapons", he created. They are trying to help themselves, as the police does not believe them, the public prosecutor's office not, not even
the closest friends.

For Irmgard K. everything began with a trifle. She argued with her neighbours about their five dogs, because she could not stand their barking anymore. The quarrel escalated and became "a war". Afterwards she had all the mentioned troubles: "suddenly I heard always changing tones and I had sleep disturbances." Reinhard Munzert investigated for her, until finally technicians at the University of Erlangen gave him the idea with the microwaves. "We know",
says Munzert, "that this sounds outrageous." He and his girlfriend would however really be treated "like meat in a microwave."

Klaus Muenter from the federal physics and technology institute in Braunschweig confirmed in presence of Welt am Sonntag (WORLD on SUNDAY), "that it is technically possible" to irradiate neighbours through the walls with microwave ovens that have been tinkered with. Because the walls only hold half of the strong radiation and windows even let everything pass through. To change an oven into a "waves projector" a technical training is however necessary. This is also confirmed by Professor Peter Pauli of the German Federal Armed Forces University: " a microwave appliance has a capacity of approximately 800 Watts. In order to bundle these into a beam, you need a strong directional antenna."

Moreover two safety switches would have to be bridged. Once someone has achieved this, he can tyrannize his neighbours with a spurt, which is approximately hundredfold stronger, than permitted by the federal radiation emission law, which has set the threshold limit value for the radiation of mobile radio antennas at ten Watts per square meter.

Friedhelm and Gertrud Kuhn from Bochum know these numbers by heart, and have known them for a long time. Because they too have been irradiated in their own home from an unknown source, since Christmas 1999. Here too it started with neighbourhood disputes. Friedhelm Kuhn felt at first only a flickering in the eye, later came high blood pressure, pins and needles in the heart and "the sensation to cook". "whenever I enter my house, it always feels, as if I would get sunburned", he describes the effects of microwaves on his body. Thanks to his work as an electronic technician Kuhn realised that he could be faced with the use of waves and lodged a complaint for bodily injury. But he met with a rebuff. According to Kuhn: "the public prosecutor said, he would not deal with fancies." The technician decided to do self-help: he pasted the inner walls of his house with aluminum foil, because they would hold at least part of the radiation. The Kuhns did not want to move despite the beam attacks, because they had built their house from their own plans.

Miriam Enzler has already moved. She too had a fight with her neighbours, and she too had suddenly "the feeling she lived between two power sources", and she too had to make the experience that people would treat victims of microwaves, "as if they were the big idiots". Miriam Enzler still suffers a lot from the results of the wave attacks, even now that she's moved: "my mucous membranes burn like fire, I have headaches up to vomiting and colic-like belly cramps."

Attorney Detlev Eidebenz, who represents a victim from Frankfurt, believes that the only hope to stop the wrongdoings of these unknown microwave gangsters in the entire country, is to fight together. Eidebenz says: "150 complaints have already been submitted in Germany in this matter, but to no result." Now, the lawyer says, the attention of all public prosecutor's offices of all Länder of the Federal Republic has to be drawn to the multiplicity of individual cases. There's already support from the Police: Markus Duemig from the 8th Police station in Frankfurt/Main collects the reports of microwave victims nationwide. Duemig says: he will do it "as long as necessary for this matter to be dealt with in a court of law as a criminal matter."

The helpful official is the last resort, for whom the microwave victims reach with a desperate grasp. Because, although there are so far only few investigations, which prove that microwaves can cause long-term damage, victims are more afraid of the long-term consequences than of the actual pain. For Irmgard K. the nightmare became true: the physicians diagnosed recently an ovarian tumor.


And, going further down the road to insanity:

Crowd-Control Cookery: Microwaves Among New Non-Lethal Weapons

lovely! microwave ovens used as weapons.

were they not once called "radar ranges" or something like that when first introduced?

that story reminds me of the class action lawsuit in the US by police officers that have a statisically significant higher level of testiclar cancer than the general public which was attributed to how police would sit for hours with the radar guns resting in their laps in between "measurings". Another classic example of how long-term low exposure is worse than short higher levels of exposure (within limits of course).

Imagine if that microwave oven was leaking just a little bit of radiation everytime you stood in front of it while it ran?

i wouldn't be surprised if they over heated it and ended up killing all the bloodcells

protein beings to break down once you go past 40 degrees or so, a microwave seems like a terrible way to heat up something you want to keep alive:)

Way back in the early 70s a certain consumer magazine published against the use of microwave ovens due to radiation.
A certain Dr. Van Allen replied to that magazine stating they were full of ... and that he "... would personally sit on his microwave during its use as long as necessary to prove no ill effects."
Now, I've worked in the microwave (radar) field in R&D. A microwave uses the very same stuff (different form and fit only) as a radar. There is no "radiation" involved other than electromagnetic radiation. A microwave oven heats by causing fluid particles to jiggle, thereby converting the magnetic radiation to heat.
If you want to check that part out (and damage your machine), just stick a few wire twist ties in there and crank it up. You'll see sparks. Those are from induction, with no place for the electrical current to go except making small lightnings.

So if you all want to think conspiracy on this, you're all welcome to, but the plain scientific fact is there is nothing unhealthy in using a microwave. I find it's not as good for heating some things because it simply doesn't heat just anything you stick in it. It will, however, heat your pet teacup poodle quite well, if you want to dry that poodle off from its bath (that actually happened, folks, and it is indicative of some of the nonsense that floats around).

you work in microwave technology and you call it safe?

please!

i know a few people that have had to work near microwave repeaters and they do not call it anything remotely resembling "safe".

Please!
Don't confuse microwave ovens with microwave radio apparati. Radio stuff by definition emits EMR to the atmosphere, ovens do not.
I don't call microwave radio stuff safe, ovens are.
Anyone with sense stays away from repeaters.
And frankly, I've worked in a lot of different aspects of electronics, having spent more than 30 years as a consulting engineer. Do you know who van Allen was? Anyway, I'll put my dollar on him and my own knowledge before some consumer rag that hasn't an "expert" on staff.

What I see here is nothing but a lot of absurd junk science. In 1900 few people were exposed at all to electromagnetic radiation. Now everyone is exposed to lots of it. Check out the average lifespan . . . it about doubled. Oh well, someone is always trying to scare other people with rubbish.

Larry's got it right! A breath of good air!! Thank you!!

junk science?

perhaps there are some false scares out there, but many very credible studies on the effects of microwave ovens has been done and they all indicate potential negative health effects. to each his/her own though.

Perhaps it's junk science, but it is becoming standard office procedure to have copiers and such kept in a seperate room to the occupied office, because of radiation.

I personaly keep my microwave in a cupboard, you turn it on and you shut the door and walk away. It makes me feel beter at the very least.

I'd be curious about the "credible" part.
When the door opens, the microwaves die, period. Nothing spills out, nothing falls out, no particles are emitted into the air, or anything else. It's like being in a windowless basement room and switching off the lights. Where does the light go? According to some of the things I've read here, we should be careful of light bulbs because they may cause skin cancer.
Re the copy machines: most companies that are run by reasonable ceos will separate eating places from copy rooms for economic reasons. They don't want to spend several thousands for a new copier killed due to coffee spills and so on.

I give up.

Perhaps they seperate the eating rooms from the copiers for that reason, but I am talking about the ones who seperate the copiers from the offices, not the eating rooms.

Good heavens. When I was a city engineer, I acquired a density/moisture tester, which had a smidgeon of cesium 137 in it. It was fullly shielded, and a geiger counter next to it would detect nothing. I would have been quite happy storing it under my desk. But, gee whiz, when the word "radioactive" was mentioned, you would have thought that I had purchased an Abomb. I solved the problem by having a "safe" made of 1/4" steel, and stored it in the maintenance yard (I guess that maintenance workers are no where near as important as office workers). No threat at all, but stupidity ruled. As for shutting the cupboard door on the microwave oven, it the cupboard isn't conducting metal without gaps, it is useless. Microwaves go right through wood and plastic, and large holes. They don't go through metal or Faraday cages though, at all, which is what a micowave oven case really is. o:

Once again, Old Timer, you write knowledge and common sense!
If peopel want something to concern themselves with, why not fluorides in their toothpaste. After all, sodium fluoride is a waste product of aluminum refining and originally was sold as rat poison. That should get something started.

curious about the credibility...

i am not talking about microwaves excaping when you open the door. i am talking about things such as microwaves leaking if the door does not seal properly, about the free radicals released by microwaving your food.

as for larry's moisture tester, the same issue for leakage would arise if it had a door that opened up to reveal the cesium and that door failed to seal properly. lets stick to comparing equilvant things, not categorizing everything as "paranoia".

The actual radiation given off by the tiny amount of the cesium 137 in that density/moisture detector is less than the "glow in the dark" wristwatches sold in the 1930's, 1940's and 1950's. Check out your smoke detector, if you are worried about tiny amounts of radiation. A lot of them (the less expensive ones) have a tiny amount of americium 241, which is radioactive (about 1/5000th of a gram each). Why am I not worried about these either? Because there is nothing to worry about, just a lot of rabble rousing going around.

microwave ovens put out more than your meter, larry.

have you read anything on the long-term effects of low-level exposure? long term very low levels of microwave exposure can be more damaging than short term higher levels of exposure.

I read about a man working in a kitchen a few years ago who cooked himself from the inside, his internal organs just stopped working and he died. I didn't want one and someone bought me one but I don't use it and I'm a mom with good intuition.

Micowaving the water will cause the water to be come sterile. Nothing suspicious about that






Imagine all the people that would suffer withdrawal symptoms if cigarettes were taken of the market just like that? *clicks fingers*
The reason they are still in every home is because they cause little to no damage.






And how does the radiation emitted from a microwave compare to that of the background radiation already present?





So was he like inside the microwave or what?

back to using a pot to pop my popcorn and the oven to cook

They may cause little or no damage but over time through continual use you will be worse of then if you didn't smoke...But then again anything that feels or tastes good is usually bad for you. Cigarettes are tricky. One can argue that the supplier is filling a need/want/desire, because for some it does deliver pleasure. But again the only reason they are recieveing the pleasure is because they are feeding an addiction, which was deliberate to get the customer to come back.

Back on topic. Microwaves make our lives easier by quicking the process of heating food, in a fast paced society. But does the microwave harm us slightly that it will affect us later in life, ultimately shortening our life span. Kind of goes along the ways of the plans for depopulation.

All right, one more time.
Microwaves, to get out of your oven, need space between the door and the frame. See those little holes behind the glass? Well, there is this thing called wavelength; high frequency electromagnetic propagation is, to electronics people, a kind of "black magic", and everything has to do with wavelength. Microwaves will NOT propagate outside the eighth, quarter, half, and full wavelengths to any great degree. That means that they won't come out of the cavity (inside of the oven) unless there is space for them to do so: by the time there is enough space between the door and frame, the interlocks have activated and the magnetron shuts off, and, as if by magic, no more microwaves.
It's more worth the worry about cell phones, ham radio, etc. Yes, there likely are short range microwave weapons, yes, I've had my hands warmed by radar (very like an oven, but free propagation, but that was 35 years ago. Still have hands, and they still work. Also, the wattage then was far higher than an oven.
Ever sit and watch TV? Aside from the electromagnetic radiation (which DOES harm the eyes), see all those nonsense drug ads? Please, be more concerned about the effect those ads have upon you than what you [don't] get from a microwave: Lordy, I've got restless leg syndrome, or overactive bladder!!! C'mon, people, give yourselves a break!

rabidcat, your hand example again is short-term high-level radiation, which is different from long-term low level exposure. nor does any of your argument address the issues of the altering effects of microwave radiation on food, which then is passed into you.

it really is a game of acceptable risk though. (and of course the other unknown risk factors that come into play)

And speaking of the effects of microwaving food, snippets from the article that i started the thread on:





And really, there is much more in that article.
Quite simply,before i started to research this topic, i had no idea of what my microwave did to my food other than microwaves passing through it to heat it.
The controversy ive found, for and against microwaved food is enough for me to have stopped using mine, and throw it away.

My husband is an electronics technician who has owned his own electronics repair business for 30 years. I've learned a lot from my hubby over the years and one thing I've learned is that microwave ovens are extremely safe. Everything Rabidcat has been posting is right on the money. In order for the microwaves to leak any amount there would have to be a huge gap in the door....basically it would have to be partially opened.....and since all microwave ovens have the built in safety feature of shutting off the magnetron if the door is opened, leakage is very, very rare. Even when leakage does occurr the amount is so tiny as to be totally harmless. As for the food....the microwaves simply pass through the food, and in that process heat is generated in the food by causing water molecules to vibrate. The operative words here are "pass through the food". In other words, there is no residual microwave energy, or electromagnetic radiation left in the food. The only difference in microwaved food is that it retains far more of its nutritive value. I would also like to point out that many people get hung up on that word "radiation". It has nothing whatever to do with ionized radiation. The word is simply meant to say that the microwaves radiate....like a radiator radiates heat, or a lightbulb radiates light.

The truth is that we all are exposed to far more electromagnetic radiation from the electric wiring that runs through all the walls of our homes than we will ever be exposed to from a microwave oven.

But what you fail to realize is that as microwaves pass through the food, and cause water molecules to 'vibrate' they are actually causing the polarity of the molecules to switch as rapidly as a billion times a second, this rapid movement on the molecular level has the potential to alter the chemical composition of the food/drink in the microwave, it stays this way when its done. As i posted above, something as common as baby formula can be altered to form neuro toxins when microwaved. Safe? i think not.
And as for keeping the nutritive value, i cant seem to find anything that says real cooked food looses more nutients than microwaved food, only that the losses are close in comparison.

Speaking on a non-technical level...
The alteration of foods within a microwave environment is very likely no more than the alteration of foods when garlic or ginger or myriad other spices/herbs are added to those foods. Breakdown of molecular structure can is regularly is accomplished by marinating meats, fish, chicken, etc.
On a personal level, I prefer my foods whole: in other words, whenever possible, I stir-fry. That way, I don't destroy the food value (since I don't cook it to the point of softness, e.g. everything is still crunchy) except for fish, chicken, etc. So, microwaving is limited to reheating coffee, thawing frozen vegetables (home grown, naturally), and things like that.
But, safety wise, I'll croak from something else long before the microwave kills me.

Um, first of all... There are standards to how many radioactive waves an be admitted by an object, yeah the government covers up stuff, but nothing like that, only people who believe microwaves can kill you or give you cancer is paranoid. Radiowaves can kill you with enough force, all radioactive waves can. But only in certain ammounts.