We have so much in the USA when it comes to security systems...if its on the electromagnetic spectrum...we will find it. We have those kinds of gadgets already...sound, light, heat, radiation...we can detect it all.

They keep telling us we can never go back pre-9-11...if you though we had tight control before, think again. The London bombing appearently is giving Bush the opportunity to push even more Patriot Act legislation through congress...at a time when his own administration is facing a serious political crisis. For one...Karl Rove...a senior Bush advisor, is on the hot seat about the Valery Plame leak. He may be indicted by the end of the week. Two, the Downing St memos have created an uproar in congress. Steps may be taken to set up a committee to look into the matter. They concern a plan hatched to invade Iraq long before 9-11 took place. The White House set up a group within the Pentagon to basically rubber stamp its intelligence reports...the Whitehouse fed this group the intelligence. Well we now know the evidence was fictitious at best. There was NO tie between 9-11 and Iraq.

So are we prepared to allow this President to further abuse civil rights by allowing the FBI to act indiscriminately, unchecked? Nixon tried this. He tried to turn our system of government into his personal thugs and abused the nature of our law enforcement agencies. Under him, the CIA worked against our kids on their college campus'. Under him COINTELPRO was hatched. They harrassed Martin LutherKing. Do we want to go down this road again in pursuit of an invisible enemy?

You want to stop terrorism? Give everyone in the world the rights and freedoms we have but mean it this time. Make sure theres jobs and fair pay...end of terrorism. Everyone in the States knows when the jobmarkets good, the crime rate lowers.

Yes, some articles of The Patriot Act might allow the theft of our freedoms. My advice to those that worry about this horrid violation is: "stop breaking the law".
Then you won't have to worry.

When the Government are the law makers isn't that tantamount to telling everyone to do what the Government tells them to do. Behaving in any other way is criminal.

Ta-ta freedom of speach, hello Orwellian nightmare.

I agree... this Patriot act is a crock. Soon they will be allowed to place listening devices in our cars, our cell phones, our homes, and after that our bodies. We will lose our right to think out loud... this needs to be stopped now!

I compare this Bush to Nixon in alot of ways...they were both schemers. If you weren't on Nixons side of the fence...then you were his enemy, and he would use any agency available to wage war politically. It was a nightmare. I do not trust this President with our freedoms because he has been shown to deceive us on many occasions now. He had his chance. You dont have to break the law girty to be blacklisted...sometimes all you have to do is belong to the wrong political party. Dont you remember the McCarthy Hearings in the 1950's...political witch-hunt? I hear those papers are all online now ...10,000 pages.

MLK was murdered before Nixon took office. Am I missing something?

I meant Hoover...srry

liar liar:)

I was ranting about the whole bunch of them.

Your opinion is what it is.

The facts however suggest that this President cares deeply about our Freedoms. He has not deceived us once....ahem, Bill Clinton lied daily....he is at war with the Terrorists and he is a Wonderful Man.

Do you people not believe that there are genuine enemies out there who would if they could, blow up a city with a nuke? Or do you just think it is the government behind everything?!

There are deffintly pissed off people out there who would like to hurt us, but the government is behind the majority of the attacks. The do it by creating and infiltrating and then supplying with the materials. I agree Clinton did a lot of damage to our freedoms.

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..."
Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

But George Bush, just because he's always talking about spreading freedom doesn't mean he actually means it. That's just what you have to say to get the support of the public. Can you imagine if he told you what he is really planning for you and your family. Look beyond the surface before you are made a fool.

"There ought to be limits to freedom."
--Governor George W Bush, May 21, 1999

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
--President George W. Bush on CNN



"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
--Ayn Rand, author

Taking comments out of context is an old trick that doesn't really play well anymore.

The fact is that Bush says what he means, means what he says, and if you don't trust him then apparently you trust no one in government. Sad to live your life though always thinking that someone is out to get you. Paranoid I think it is called.

Well, he loves the second amendmant, if that's what you mean. Most of the others he's shown a distaste for.


Downing Street Memos, Niger Yellowcake, Enron Ties, Cheney's Energy Commision... He wasn't exactly straightforward with his National Guard Desertation, either...


Who gives a rat's ass whether the president lies about who he's getting a blow job from? All politicians lie, the important part is the size of the lies. Clinton's were tiny, and Bush's are of elephantine proportions.


Tell me... why did he attack Iraq instead of chasing after bin Laden if he's so gung-ho against terrorism?


Oh no, I KNOW that there are people out there who'd love to kill us all. However, we're supposed to protect our country against enemies both foreign and domestic, Bush being one of the latter.


The government merely kills people indirectly, as a result of deregulation and loosening of gun laws.


*Sigh* Is there really any way to prove that this is anything but an opinion? You have no way of knowing whether he's telling you the truth on various things, or "pulling the wool over your eyes".


Just the radical right higher-ups, whose statements are issued with dump trucks full of salt

Good thing most liberals don't think like that, though.

Better be paranoid than to be caught off guard, these power ugry goverments are trying to take away ppl's privacy and some ppl like you are even okay with that, do you think taking away your privacy by putting everything under govs control will make you safer? ANYONE is a potential terrorist, there's ppl from your own country that would put bombs somewhere for money. And the goverments involved in fighting this terrorist thing could do much more to stop it by beggining to deal with terrorists or wouldn't that be worth the many lives that are going to be taken in the next terrorist attacks? Like was said in the topic terrorism is and invisible enemy and thus cannot be fought the way they're fighting it, mostly refering to Iraq war.

You are a liar thanks

In his speech he said "africa" not Nigeria, and that British intelligence had discovered this. He wasn't referring to the American 'intelligence' (i use this word lightly) because quite frankly, Wilson was full of crap, has been found to have lied about the nature of work, and did little more than act like a diplomat and ASK various important people if they were selling Yellowcake to Saddam.

British Intelligence supports the claim that Saddam seeked to get yellowcake uranium from Africa, the Butler Report than supported this further.

Those are good ones, but I like these:

It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way.
-Prime Time Press Conference, White House, Apr. 28, 2005

WASHINGTON POST: Why do you think bin Laden has not been caught?
DUBYA: Because he's hiding.
-interview with Michael A. Fletcher and Jim VandeHei of the Washington Post, aboard Air Force One, Jan. 14, 2005

In the war on terror, you have fought enemies' freedom -- freedom's enemies from the caves and mountains of Afghanistan to the deserts and cities of Iraq.
-Camp Pendleton, California, Dec. 7, 2004

As a matter of fact, when we gave [Saddam Hussein] the final chance, he continued to deceive and evade. So I have a choice to make at this point in our history. Do I forget the lessons of September the 11th and take the word of a madman, or do I take action to defend this country?
-Colorado Springs, Colorado, Oct. 12, 2004

QUESTION: Can we win [the war on terrorism]?
DUBYA: I don't think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the -- those who use terror as a tool are -- less acceptable in parts of the world.
-Interview aired on NBC's "Today Show", Aug. 30, 2004

We actually misnamed the war on terror, it ought to be the 'struggle against ideological extremists who do not believe in free societies who happen to use terror as a weapon to try to shake the conscience of the free world.'
-Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

The best way to protect us is to stay on the offensive and to find terrorists before they try to harm us again. And they will.
-New Hampshire, Mar. 25, 2004

I'm dealing with a world in which we have gotten struck by terrorists with airplanes, and we get intelligence saying that there is, you know, we want to harm America.
-NBC's "Meet the Press", Feb. 8, 2004

I remember talking to the country after September the 11th, and reminding people that this would be a different kind of war we faced. Sometimes you'd see action, and sometimes you wouldn't, that we'd be on a manhunt to find the terrorists who destroyed us.
-Roswell, New Mexico, Jan. 22, 2004

Well, first of all, the goal of the terrorists -- whether they be Baathists, or mujahideen fighters, or al Qaeda-type fighters -- is to create terror and fear amongst average Iraqis -- is to create the conditions where people are just so fearful for their lives that they cannot think positively about freedom.
-Washington, D.C., Nov. 13, 2003

The Ambassador and the General were briefing me on the -- the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice.
-White House, Oct. 27, 2003

I love Dubya's little speeches where he uses the word freedom, then "miswords" it (yeah, that'll shut the shrubheads up!) to make it sound like freedom's just a buzzword to him, and nothing more. Think about the theme of all of these quotes- what's their theme? That Bush is plugging freedom like it was an Mtv video while making it sound like he can't stomach the concept.

Bush has yet to prove to me that freedom's more than his second most overused word (terror being the first, most fittingly).

Edited to add: I'll give a cookie to the first pro-busher who can figure out that this isn't a pro-Bush post without me telling them. Oh, damn, I better eat it myself, since pro-bushers have somehow managed to make every post I made on a Bush topic pro-Bush.

I got a laugh from those two posts. W's not fooling anyone...er..uh...well theres a few people on this board.


I was watching C-SPAN alot since 2001...one day I came to a conclusion...<drum roll plz>...90% of Bush supporters calling in fell extremely short of the learning curve...lol. Seriously. How so? They never address the issues! It was as if FOX news gave them their cue. Light on the issues...heavy with the muckraking and name-calling. So there you go...there your grass-roots support base for Georgie.

PS- Hope I dont get too much heat for this post...lol.
I am just a simple progressive living in a land of confusion.

That explains a lot! can you say LIBERAL bias!!
What comes to mind when I see C-Span and others oh yes Dan Rather CBS .........................................

Good god, don't tell me people are still buying this...

People, THERE IS NO LIBERAL MEDIA. NONE. ZIPPO. IT DOESN'T EXIST. The closest you will ever get is fringe things like AIr America, which hardly dominate the media.

There is a centrist media, and then there is a far-right media. There is no liberal media. If you can find the Democratic equivalent of Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter with their own show on a channel full of other outspoken liberals, then you can claim that there's a liberal media.

But not before that.

Yes K...I agree that there is no liberal media. That was just an excuse for them to unleash FOX news on us...what a joke...FOX=right wing extremism+Jerry Springer sensationalism. Yet...this is supposedly a normal unbiased station to combat all those "liberal" ones... The news was sold out to those pwerful forces within the state long ago...I read a book by Phillip Agee called" the company " about exploitation in the press. Good book written around 1975.

Examples of Liberal media

CBS Dan Rather and the list goes on!

the list goes on?? Why did you only mention one person then?

What Panther?! Dan Rather? Oh come on...Dan Rather lied during the Kennedy assassination...he is a player on the bad guys ball team...why? He withheld evidence. Evidence that would have debunked the Warren Commision. He is not a liberal. Thanks to that dummy the George Bush Gaurd Duty debacle was overlooked. He completely helped GW B on that one...because it wasnt taken seriously and it was a serious issue. Dan is a retard stooge for the establishment...try again

That's two strikes. One more and you're out.

Btw, I'd like to see this "list".

How to be a true American:

Be afraid of the liberal media bias, as told to you by Dennis Miller, Sean Hannity, Anne Coulter, Pat Sacbourough, Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, Bill O'Riley, Nancy Grace, 60 Minutes, Jerry Fallwell, the Clear Channel, Fox News, ABC and Disney-nder-Eisner sponsored propoganda.

The fact that Wal-Mart refused to sell the newest book by Al Franken, Jeneane Garafolo, George Carlin and Dennis Leary because they contained humor that questioned Bush's judgement is irrelevant.

The fact that the FCC wiped their asses with the first, fourth and sixth amendment to pull anti-Bush DJs off the air(and fine them) without just cause doesn't count.

And let's not forget that stations trying to show nuetrality, like NBC and CNN are singled out by the "poor, censored conservative media" for hatred and mudslinging bordering defamation every chance they get.

This is all just the conservatives defending themselves .

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Once again, I pull out the dictionary:

Bush supporter: Noun.
A person or persons who secretly see war, racial hatred, cultural intorenace and gestapo tatics as an aphrodisiac, and will support any person or event that allows them to indulge in this behavior pattern under a presumed justification. When this justification appears, the Bush supporter will cease to be a human being, but instead a monster with three heads:

The first head, the head in the center, will be the face of a drooling, only marginally educated human being. Unable to perform even the simplest of intelluctual functions, his only purpose is human speech.

The second head, the head on the left side, will be the head of a hawk; this head will whisper into the human head that freedom and liberty are good things, but only for those who have the same views as the human head. Anyone of a different race, religion, nationality or political affiliation are instantly an enemy to be destroyed, but only after they see the superiority of the Bush supporter.

The third head, the head on the right side, will be the head of a swine; eating only money, this head is the most dangerous of all. This head will cause the human head to lose all judgement at the mere mention of any sum of cash, causing it to go into controlled frenzies. Under his say, the human head would kill his best friend if he thought there was a dollar in it for him. Only the fear of not making that money can sway this head.

Bush supporters are only stopped by people of actual character and humanity being put into a position of power to stop them from their feeding. To defend himself, the Bush supporter will use such words as "bias", "criminal", as well as references to a decent stopper of Bush supporter tatics (See Clinton).

ok I have heard it all now!I give up there are some people you just can not reason with, so why even bother.

First of two...preach on brother...amen!

Sister, actually... but I'll still take my bow.