I read this book about god who's creating a new earth with goldenmountains on it because the old earth will pass away.Satan will be thrown to the bottemlesspit for 1000 years and all his followlers(and people who have been cast down to hell) will take a swim in the lake of fire(the second death).The people with their name in the lamb book of life will be save by god.What will happen to earth people who had 666 on them(obeyed the beast )have rejected jesus forever. People who had rejected the beast will be killed or force to obey the beast.If any who refuse to follow the beast will get killed but they might have gone to heaven 1.Roman Empire will be revived into a 10 nation confederacy(Rev.13:1)
2.Anit-Christ will rise
3.Anti-Christ and Israel will make a peace agreement
4.144,000 Jewish evangelist and 2 witnesses will minister publically

5.A northern Coalition force will fight Israel
6.The anti-Christ get a wound in his head from possibly an assination attemp on him.He will recover quickly, then be worshipped.(Rev. 13:1 ,10

7.(False prophet and anti-christ are tw different people)False prophet will exhault to the anit-christ
8. world Gov.,Economy, and religion will develop (Rev.13:4-18

9.Anit-Christ will break peace treaty will Israel

10. Believers of God will be persicuted ( these believers will be jewish most likely, becuz people that has heard of God before the rapture,and denied him.Then after the rapture when they repent it would be too late, but jews (true jews) will not

11.The apostate church will be destroyed

12. Earth will expirence cataclysmic disasters (judgement by God on the Earth)

13.World Comercial system will collaspe

14.Warfare in the middle east will grow, to the point of the battle of armegedon, This is God returns

God sets up his Kingdom on Earth that will last for thousand years.


16 Satan bound in the bottomless pit for thousand years (anti-christ and false prophet put in the lake of fire)

17 after its over Satan will come back, gather rebelliose people to go against God

18 Satan will be defeated and SAtan, will be put in the lake of fire

19 Universe is gone,,, time of the universe is over end of man and everything

20 eternal reign with God,angels and Believers

what's the point?

bacca have u even read it

I read it. And i conclude that it is all absolute religious rubbish. I would also put £1'000 that it never comes true.

Dunno, but seems like you've been reading too much Bronze Age fantasy!

Well thanks for illustrating the book of Revelations so succinctly, NJC.

This book you've been reading, is it by any chance the Bible?

Or do you have a point to make?

Good guess. Now it's my turn. I spy, with my little eye..........

Sorry, couldn't help it. I really don't know what the point the original post was trying to make

at least it wasn't just me

That was written by an old gut named John, that was not an apostle, in a cave.
If I write a book on a revalation I had, would you believe it? I doubt it. So why do you believe in this one.

What you could do to best help yourself, is to study religions in an objective way. Look at all the research that has been done on the bible and the stories in it. It will really open your eyes to the truth.

For example: 666 is refering to Nero. Look for that one for starters.

Good Luck and Good Growth!

Santa Claus is your parents the tooth fairy is not real and Satan is a metaphor for evil.

i think he was warning us.

thats right I am warning people who believe in jesus about sinning like the same thing that happen to the howard storm guy first he didn't believe in god now he got problems with his heart then he got visions of hell

Is this the same Jesus that promised to return while some those standing with him were still alive and then copped out? If it is, then why should we believe he is returning now, 2000 years too late?

Somehow, I don't know why, but I doubt the veracity of this claim.
I would think that those who already believe in Jesus, wouldn't need to be warned.

I feel this is directed at those of us who have a slightly different view.

My question would be which Jesus is this?? Jesus never used NEVER used fear to teach. That in and of itself is your answer.

*gets out a knife and stabs mako*

I'm not going to argue. This is not the place for it. Suffice it to say, I believe different.

All the best,

Agreed

I agree with PA: this is not the forum for debate or arguement. (Imagine that)

But in light of the two posts immediately above this: Perhaps the man never used fear, but the movement he spawned sure did and continues to to this day. In my opinion.

Which may differ from others opinions.

I don't think Jesus "Spawned" the movement of fear teaching that was already in practice Remember the old testament, Fear Fear and more fear, at least I don't see him that way, The true Image of Christ is nothing like the limited and distorted teachings of the church, I beleive his true personality has been buried under idol worship Namely the mistaken understanding that he was the only son of God, He asked that we follow his example so we too could grow in our own Christ selves,not to waste our time in worshiping idols. Buddah taught that also, So did Ghandi (peace) Not trying to start a debate this is merely my take on Jesus. Namaste Sheri

Acctually, these are the exact beleifs of Jehova Witnesses and can be VERY well backed up. All of it makes perfect since to me(I'm currently not in a religion but I've studied with JWs before). All of this seems true IMO. It's what I currently beleive will happen.

Sherri, you misunderstand my meaning.

When I saidd "the movement he spawned...", I was refering to his followers, who set the course of this new religion, and the organization as it has grown over the centuries.

I did not argue, nor am I now arguing - merely defending my prior statement. I made a statement that is backed by the very scriptures of the religion being discussed and suddenly I am arguing. Is this because I do not support or believe in that religion or is it because Christians are so touchy towards those who do not share their mythology?

Mako - I wasn't commenting because you disagree with my beliefs. I commented because your statement (at best) only partially impacted the OP.

Additionally you made no supporting statement outlining your own beliefs, which is after all the point of this section - to discuss ideas. The point you make has no purpose, IMO, other than to (attempt to) debunk other people's beliefs.

That was why I commented.....

Until next time,

Kingdom? I am I the only American that is bothered by this. I think this idea leaves people open to except a world dictator. When conquistadors entered they Mayan kingdom the people thought they were gods, until the people realized that their actions were not god like, by then it was too late.

The fact that the Christian "God the Father" seems to be nothing more than a beefed up version of a Bronze Age Despot has always bothered me. Sorry, I want to think for myself and live in the manner I wish, as long as I do not harm to others. I don't need some "King" telling me what I can or can't do!

Sorry about that I wasn't sure please except my sincere apology. Namaste Sheri

I'm guessing you're the type of person that wishes we didn't have laws and such.

As a former member of law enforcement, no I don't. I just don't want a non-existent make-believe entity telling me what to do. I bow to the authority of our society and find the majority of the laws made to be good and necessary, but have no desire to be told that I will have no other god before him, and other such stupidity.

ZeroShadow, it is not about not having laws and such. It is about having input in making laws. That is what democracy is all about. In a Kingdom the king makes the laws and the people have so say in them. Sadam Hussain made the laws that governed Iraq. Would you say that is a good thing?

No, not even close. But God's laws are. Especialy because those laws are coming from the God who created our existance, and the one who's givin you the ability to think on your own. He even allows you to not beleive in him for the time being.


Who said you won't think for yourself? And live in the manner you wish? You can't even do that now because of laws.

That is what Moslem clerics say about democracy. There is no need for it because all the law you need is god's law. We can see how well that works. Our laws are not based on the ten commandments. I think it is best they stay that way.
By the way I am not an atheist. I just have a different view of the Gods and Goddesses.

Good point Darkwind I'm not Athiest either but it is observable that religious "law" causes alot of problems. Not trying to start a arguement. Namaste Sheri

Thanks for clarifying what I so clumsily said, DW. I agree, if you go on the premise that the laws of the God of your religion is what you should follow, you may end up driving a car bomb, or bombing a federal building (yes, I know it supposedly wasn't about religion, but the founder of that particular militia that he took his ideas from was strongly religious, so you figure it out)!

Aye.. the middle east is nothing but countries that make thier laws based on God's will...

And what do we have? a lot of strife and termoil.

Having laws that are govern by religion cannot work. Especialy since so many people have a different view of "God's will". Even here in the states.. every law based on religon washes out horribly. (and don't give me the "Thou shalt not kill.. yadda.. that's "COMMON SENCE" and doesn't need to be religious to know that murdering is bad, mmkay?)

Cute:

All the world fighting is caused by Religions.

A lot of the world problems is caused by low hanging pipes. Seems a lot of people hit their heads.

Do countries without religion live in peace and harmony? Is their “No value” which they place on humans, their contribution to world peace?

Does Russia and China ring a bell?

Did you see stars after you hit your head?

Hate, Greed, the desire for Power, that is what starts wars and always will. That might creep into religion, But it does not belong there. And the ones preaching that is not following God, Or Allah, By which every name you want to call Him.

Bush did not start a war. It was already on going, it just got declared one. It just got to the point where it could not be denied anymore, it had to be deal with on a more determined basis.

Ostrich doesn’t work very well with guns, Hiding your head as your butt is sticking in the air.

Mankind is not very nice. and that takes us all into consideration. We all have bad days, and some times that is about 365 of them a year.

Good and Evil has an ongoing battle, and we have our New Earth already. It was only a similitude. The day of the cross as 4 6-hour periods. Sunset to Midnight was Old Heaven. Midnight to sunrise was old Earth, Heaven and earth fled from His face which is seen as the Face of a man on the third beast with 6-wings. Sunrise to noon.

So if you want a new earth where love and peace abounds, WORK AT IT. This earth is what we are stuck with. Sorry, No space travel. No other planets to inhabit. This one is the only one we have, it is do it here, or end it here.

God made the earth to be inhabited, So I know He will override our desire to snuff ourselves out. But that does not mean there will be a lot left here when we have finished elimination the OTHERS which are always the problem. But to THEM, We are the OTHERS.

God is involved with a New Earth, Evolution does not have one, Simple cell division is not about to have the earth reproduce itself.

And using nukes is as bright as one can get. So bright they get to glow for tens of thousands of years. And a large portion of earth with it, and a little spread over all the earth as fallout. Like we need more of that around.

Ken

Doesn't the bible also say follow the law of the lands or something. I'm not sure though, but I think I remember the bible telling you to follow the law(not just the bible law).

Zero.

Paul was speaking about following the laws of the land, He just said that God who is over everything is using those over others for His purpose:

(ROMANS 13:1) Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For
there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of
God. (KJV)
(ROMANS 13:2) Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth
the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to
themselves damnation. (KJV)
(ROMANS 13:3) For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the
evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is
good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: (KJV)
(ROMANS 13:4) For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But
if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the
sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute
wrath upon him that doeth evil. (KJV)
(ROMANS 13:5) Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for
wrath, but also for conscience sake. (KJV)
(ROMANS 13:6) For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are
God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. (KJV)


In some cases that is true, But in many cases, Like Russia, China, and Iraq while Saddam was in Charge, I do not think this which Paul said, really applies.

The laws of the land depend on who has rule over the land then. We have many what is called Freedoms (one man said that freedom is the right to make the wrong choice) That does not mean God gives the OK to follow the law just because we can legally do it.

Jesus paid for all sin, But we might not like ourselves too well having to live with the choices we made on earth.

Ken