Full Version: Humans and Machines
Okay, machines are advancing in intelligence and design, and we as humans are also becoming more advanced in weaponry and what we use in our daily lives. Do you ever think that the human race will not live for ever, and that machines will become our sucessors and achieve what we could not, or will humans become the machines, will we find a way to transfer our minds into the body of a machine and live to through the ages forever, i mean if you think about we have done all sorts of things to humans and animals why couldn't the human race become machines, then again we are a self destructive race with all our nuclear weapons and we have created a machine that can turn a solid into liquid, liquid into gas, gas into plasma, i would like to here your opinions on these ideas, and your can post what you think will with humans and machines, i appreciate all replies.
personally i dont think machine will take us over...or become greater than us. 
Humans will merge with machines and the process is already underway.
Now whoa12, i know hwta your talking about, that humans and machines are merging but that not what i mean, i mean of humans becoming the machine, i mean like humans putting their personalities in the machine, humans transfer their minds into the machine thus becoming machines in the process.
Thats what I mean... I did post something on this a few weeks back. here is that post:
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I've been wondering how it would feel to go through the transition and augmentation of nueral implants and would there be any difference between biological brain and silicon. More importantly, how would I be 'me' when I had completed the transition. How do I make the transition and keep my consciouss self alive, not just created a copy of me (destructive scanning)
I was thinking of the process that could be the safest way possible in ensuring that 'I' end up on the other side. Somepoint in the future if people like Ray Kurzweil is right then we should have the capability to scan the brain with some sort of nanobots and make litrually make a copy of it then port it over to a machine. But wouldn't this just be a copy of you? and your consciouss would still be in your biological mind.
So I thought of a process that would ensure that at the end of the transition, I would be 'me' but not in my biological brain. So I thought about putting them in a few steps:
1. Human Brain
2. Augmentation using neural implants
3. Both silicon and brain work together becoming one but stronger connections are being made in the artificial part of the your brain.
4. Old Memory and new memories backed up on silicon part of brain (transition already started)
5. removal of biological brain
Brain Augmentation with neural implants that enhance our nutural capabilities. With knowledge of the brain we can get these implants to become just like our biological brain and become one. Stronger connections will be made in the silicon part of the brain so the transition of 'you' meaning your experiences, memories etc will all be placed on artificial part in real time rather than completely being stored on the biological part. Eventually biologial sections of the brain will be used less and less and soon the neural implant takes over that specific function without you even noticing the transition that took place.
When you want to think of the past or some memory is triggered, the neural implant can instantly store the memory you had. If a memory is important enough then the connection will stay strong and you will remember it. If something is not important then who cares if you lose that memory.
When a person gets part of their brain removed because of problems, they are still the same person right? but with just a few disabilities or minor problems that can be overcome to a certain degree. Because of the continuous transition and the new, old memories and capabilities being stored on the nueral implants we can assume that the biological part of the brain might shrink and eventually become nothing really useful.
When these dead or bad parts of the brain stop functioning properly and maybe diseased, they can be removed because by the time you will be pretty sure that the biological part of the brain is just taking up space. You have reached the point that your memories, experiences and your conscious self will and have been all be stored on the silicon implants. Memories that werent important would of died and important memories remain. Your Conscious self seemesly is in a continous transition
I was thinking of the process that could be the safest way possible in ensuring that 'I' end up on the other side. Somepoint in the future if people like Ray Kurzweil is right then we should have the capability to scan the brain with some sort of nanobots and make litrually make a copy of it then port it over to a machine. But wouldn't this just be a copy of you? and your consciouss would still be in your biological mind.
So I thought of a process that would ensure that at the end of the transition, I would be 'me' but not in my biological brain. So I thought about putting them in a few steps:
1. Human Brain
2. Augmentation using neural implants
3. Both silicon and brain work together becoming one but stronger connections are being made in the artificial part of the your brain.
4. Old Memory and new memories backed up on silicon part of brain (transition already started)
5. removal of biological brain
Brain Augmentation with neural implants that enhance our nutural capabilities. With knowledge of the brain we can get these implants to become just like our biological brain and become one. Stronger connections will be made in the silicon part of the brain so the transition of 'you' meaning your experiences, memories etc will all be placed on artificial part in real time rather than completely being stored on the biological part. Eventually biologial sections of the brain will be used less and less and soon the neural implant takes over that specific function without you even noticing the transition that took place.
When you want to think of the past or some memory is triggered, the neural implant can instantly store the memory you had. If a memory is important enough then the connection will stay strong and you will remember it. If something is not important then who cares if you lose that memory.
When a person gets part of their brain removed because of problems, they are still the same person right? but with just a few disabilities or minor problems that can be overcome to a certain degree. Because of the continuous transition and the new, old memories and capabilities being stored on the nueral implants we can assume that the biological part of the brain might shrink and eventually become nothing really useful.
When these dead or bad parts of the brain stop functioning properly and maybe diseased, they can be removed because by the time you will be pretty sure that the biological part of the brain is just taking up space. You have reached the point that your memories, experiences and your conscious self will and have been all be stored on the silicon implants. Memories that werent important would of died and important memories remain. Your Conscious self seemesly is in a continous transition
I wonder how you would remember things.... would it just pop up like it does now or would the silicon part have files you had to sort through (think Data from Star Trek: TNG).....
well electronics is already more than ten million times faster than the human nervous system's electrochemical information processing. So there is quite significiant difference. I assume memory would act in a similar way as it does now but you will be able to recall almost anything you wish, clearly.
A 1 inch cube of nanotube circuitry would be at least a million times more powerful than the human brain.
So as you can imagine.. it's only a matter of time before machines have more hardware capability than everyhuman on earth together. Technology isnt just going to stop progressing so what do we do?
We are already entering a time where computers were first built in big buildings, then onto our desktops, in our pockets, they will be in our clothes and then finally we will see big adoption of nueral implants. 10's of thousands of people are being helped by neural implants already so this process is already underway and just at early stages.
Most of us will remain looking totally human, just a few enhancements...
Imagine having an eye contact lense and its for enhanced vision and augmented reality, virutal reality etc.. with this you could have google any time you want ! lol Now, I wouldnt mind having access to google, its like an extension of the mind. You could 'think' what you would like to search for a google does the search and all this can happen much more quickly.
A 1 inch cube of nanotube circuitry would be at least a million times more powerful than the human brain.
So as you can imagine.. it's only a matter of time before machines have more hardware capability than everyhuman on earth together. Technology isnt just going to stop progressing so what do we do?
We are already entering a time where computers were first built in big buildings, then onto our desktops, in our pockets, they will be in our clothes and then finally we will see big adoption of nueral implants. 10's of thousands of people are being helped by neural implants already so this process is already underway and just at early stages.
Most of us will remain looking totally human, just a few enhancements...
Imagine having an eye contact lense and its for enhanced vision and augmented reality, virutal reality etc.. with this you could have google any time you want ! lol Now, I wouldnt mind having access to google, its like an extension of the mind. You could 'think' what you would like to search for a google does the search and all this can happen much more quickly.
Oooo, I must have misinterpreted what you first posted, that was a very interresting post you made on neural implants, amazing what we can do nowadays, but why would you just want to be a human with special neural implants, why not go a step beyond that and become something greater to become something stronger faster more powerful, don't you want to become something immortal, to become a full fledged machine with limitless capabillities, to become something greater than you could've ever imagined.
QUOTE(cryptoking @ Jul 14 2005, 09:16 AM)
Oooo, I must have misinterpreted what you first posted, that was a very interresting post you made on neural implants, amazing what we can do nowadays, but why would you just want to be a human with special neural implants, why not go a step beyond that and become something greater to become something stronger faster more powerful, don't you want to become something immortal, to become a full fledged machine with limitless capabillities, to become something greater than you could've ever imagined.
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Or just a robot.
i didn't really want to put robot cause somewhere in the future we probably won't refer to them as robot more a machines or mechanical humans things like that
20 years later humans built a lot of intelligent robots actually those robots malfuntion and is gotta kill us all and it will be the new terminater movie 
NJC, i know your joking, but i don't think that machines would do that, they probably would live a peaceful existence among humans
I don't think that you can realy call it "living" with machines, since there's really no form of life there. :/
Machines do what we tell them to do now. I think it'll stay that way, at least as long as I'm alive.
Machines do what we tell them to do now. I think it'll stay that way, at least as long as I'm alive.
You were born in 1981...
If you are going to die in the next 10 years then ok... but otherwise ermm NO you will see happen. Just look how quickly the computer industry has changed in the past 10 years. Projections show that we will see some amazing stuff in the next 20 years!
and since we are making good progress in biotechnology, robotics, Nanotechnology, IT
There is a good chance that your life span will be much greater than 80. We know how to extend the life of mammals by manipulating certain genes. its very possible that we can do the same for humans. IF you dont get murdered, die of a disease, get hit by a car and other then you are likely to see a lot more than any generation has ever seen in the past. Ever heard the "Law of acceleration returns"?
If you are going to die in the next 10 years then ok... but otherwise ermm NO you will see happen. Just look how quickly the computer industry has changed in the past 10 years. Projections show that we will see some amazing stuff in the next 20 years!
and since we are making good progress in biotechnology, robotics, Nanotechnology, IT
There is a good chance that your life span will be much greater than 80. We know how to extend the life of mammals by manipulating certain genes. its very possible that we can do the same for humans. IF you dont get murdered, die of a disease, get hit by a car and other then you are likely to see a lot more than any generation has ever seen in the past. Ever heard the "Law of acceleration returns"?
Now Unafragger, just because something isn't natural dosen't mean it isn't alive, i mean eventually machines will be able to think and when they think and maybe even feel, machines will beome like humans, i think they might even become our succesors, the reason i say this is because all "living" things come to an end, now machines will eventually be alive in a way but they won't be "alive" they won't have limits like humans they can keep expanding over and over again until the universe comes to an end, they will achieve things humans will never do
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