I have read numerous postings with regards to how the london bombings was an inside job. I don't believe this one bit and it looks to me that most of the so called suspicious circumstances can easily be laid to rest. It just seems that people just listen to the bits of news they want to and have a one track mind and instantly shout out "conspiracy" so in this posting lets debate the facts and the so called Lies. So if anyone has reason to believes this is an inside job feel free to post there feelings here and i or anybody who wishes will try and debunk what you are saying.

Welcome to UM Robbo.

And I hope you have your helmet and flak jacket, because you will definately get some responses on this one.


Just remember: Keep your head down, and short, controlled bursts.

It's as simple as this.
A group of Islmaic Extremeists decided to blow themselves up on public transport in cenral London to cause fear and panic and take as many people down with them as they could.
No conspiracy, no hidden agendas, and NO NWO.

The real conspiracy is why certain, anonymous, people - mostly American oddly enough - are so set in deliberately misinterpreting events or finding non-existent coincidences in order to prove a non existent conspiracy. Who are these people? What do they aim to achieve? Are the mysterious conspiracists the real NWO?

Look at this site: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/london_exercise_video.html and be very, very frightened. Because these people can make 2+2=57 and make 2+2=7.874 at the same time! They also have a hyperactive imagination and very low intelligence......

I am suprised the conspiracy buffs have not invaded this thread yet.

Maybe they are losing their touch.

Robbo1331 is clearly a stooge planted by the Illuminati NWO reptilians to discredit the sane and rational discussion in these forums...

^yeah, what he said ^

Very good point Essan.

I can not believe my eye's someone who understands, god i hope they do not ruin him!

The reason i have placed this post is because the same day of the explosions on various websites it was already being said that the goverment knew or were behind the attacks now i am not somebody who is totally ignorant to different views about the matter but to start saying things before proper reports on what has happened or official press statements have been released i don't know how people can come to these conclusions, and all of the things that have been said about it being a conspiracy have been taken out of context or just plain lies so i thought it would be an idea to see what people have got to say on this matter.

Blah Blah and Blah...yeah robbo Ive heard it all before but if you and these other pinheads actually looked at whats been posted you would see links to real companies and BBC news sites which our theories are based on..we have used official news stories. You people still FAIL to address issues WE bring up and share with you and instead of debating us on the issues you people constantly degrade other people for their beliefs and throw insults. All of your posts about theories are the same. We never call you crazy nutters for believing government officials...maybe naive but not crazy.

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All I know is the scum of muslim has spewed their evilness upon the british nation and I now will fight in their jihad...Let the holy wars begin again..

I agree. If they don't want to stop, then let's get REAL serious and kick their butt BIG TIME.

Thanks partner..! I'm so feared for my family and freinds at the mo..You dont know who your neighbour is anymore....TRAITORS..!!!!

I'm just giving my opinion if i think your ideas are crazy then thats what i think. And you talk about degrading you rather than debating if you read my posts in this section then you will realise that i want to do is here what people say regarding the so called conspiracy and as of yet knowbody has posted any evidence that will suggest that the goverment new,

ok what was their motive? how did they benefit?

he Mossad's motto is "By Way of Deception, Thou Shall Make War"

note how similar this statement is to isis-999 signature--With truth we find peace--mirror image-reversed-also applying this to her name comes up with 666-S!S!

so far the facts are 50 people died in a series of four explosions 3 underground and one bus--we are supposed to believe that muslims would have access to high explosives and that they would attack in a "lower" income section of town where there is the highest number of arabs--not only this but we are to believe that they used timers yet stood next to the bombs waiting for them to go off --here are a few more links to interesting articles on the subject-

Website that carried al-Qaida claim has connections to Bush family-London Gaurdian

The Convenient Malfunction Of The London Bus Camera-Jon Rappoprt

Ex-Mossad Chief Calls For World War After London Attack-Jerusalem Post

possible mossad techniques

For those who do know how to think and put 2+2 together (which is the only way forwards), do you not think it was a bit too easy for them crazy british Wigs to let on that they knew what would happen or that it was their operation. Cobra or whatever cobra really means, HaHa just too damned easy...I hopefully see a PLOT {thickening} on how easy they made it obvious that they collaborated with musilim sleepers. Then again, there is probably a great buzz in their camps about effortlessly (always giving the public vital information by Illuminati hybridation law) fooling millions of human whilst leaving the clues for them to roboticly ig snore or FAN aticly deny as well programmed sheeple should do, good on you sheep, the more the easier. At least we can identify who the Legion should first to incinerate..ahem, sorry about the concentration camp pun mr Illuminati. Of course perhaps in this growing age of light the bad guys are more easily prone to slip up with their plans, therefore Revelations is probably a GOD idea. (I never expected you to understand). Perhaps while also laying the trap door open for the current conspiracy heads to be counted for, later, the Firm have a pretty good boast on about how stupid and majority of blind people can be programmed. But the programmed will never believe this....would they? or should I say, they are too frightened to belive or perhaps understand my nonsense...

For starters they are brainwashed into thinking they are going to a better place

Explain this then:
It's obvious to those in the know that more terrorist attacks are planned. This is the agenda. Besides, it's not like this is the first government sponsered terror attack.

"Felice Casson, an Italian judge who during his investigations into right-wing terrorism had first discovered the secret Gladio army and had forced Andreotti to take a stand, found that the secret army had linked up with right-wing terrorists in order to confront “emergency situations”. The terrorists, supplied by the secret army, carried out bomb attacks in public places, blamed them on the Italian left, and were thereafter protected from prosecution by the military secret service. "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game,” right-wing terrorist Vincezo Vinciguerra explained the so-called “strategy of tension” to Casson.

“The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security. This is the political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain unpunished, because the state cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what happened."

In Italy, on 3 August 1990, then-prime minister Giulio Andreotti confirmed the existence of a secret army code-named “Gladio” - the Latin word for “sword” - within the state. His testimony before the Senate subcommittee

Ever since the discovery of the secret NATO armies in 1990, research into stay-behind armies has progressed only very slowly, due to very limited access to primary documents and the refusal of both NATO and the CIA to comment. On 5 November 1990, a NATO spokesman told an inquisitive press: "NATO has never contemplated guerrilla war or clandestine operations”.

The next day, NATO officials admitted that the previous day’s denial had been false, adding that the alliance would not comment on matters of military secrecy.

Read all about it:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/GAN412A.html

also

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html
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Also : Exactly like on 9/11, when our government was coincidentally running drills of flying hijacked planes into buildings including the twin towers at 8:30 am. Now it comes out that British government was running an exercise with over 1,000 people of terrorist attacks and bombs going off in the exact same spots where the supposed terrorist attacks took place, on the very same day and same time. This is no joke! How does anyone explain that? This can't be dismissed, this is in the news in England, but not in the US.

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames

Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson | July 9, 2005

A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.

On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.

Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

The transcript is as follows.

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

source: http://www.infowars.com/articles/London_attack/same_time.htm

More realistic headlines perhaps. The funny thing is, how easy it is to catch them out this time around, change is a foot. My apologies on assumiing earlier that the accused bombers were definate Iluminati sleepers. I simply don't know.

Kinda like `getting from the horses mouth` when you eventually learn of those people, living in London like me, who suspect foul play as probable if not obvious....



Exactly so when the f*** are we going to have a power of the people for the f***** people huh!!??when we get rid of the smart asses who keep everyone dumbed down of course, kick em out of here, we should be planning....we should have passed this piss pot and be making plans guys............................girls???? When the hell are we going to get to be freedom fighters??? Fight the f***** power...or be morons like the author of this thread....Wake Up....

It's not just this act, It's past acts that have lead us to believe this is indeed a conspiracy. I don't trust the government. Would you trust someone that only
wants you for your money?

edit: Zeus, Grow up.

and yes, I was also in london for 911. I do remember noticing more people than usual also in town that very afternoon. Strange that...thanks for the reason there.

hahah quoting from David Icke:)

What would the British goverment get out of killing there own people,I have a better question, If all of this was true, and big brother was watching every thing, why are they not watching you? Post on any web sight about how you want to kill Bush and i bet they come see you, so if they know about things like that then they know what you are saying on sights like this, if they are watching and plaining a take over, you would think those who had figured it out, would have to be dealt with so they could not alert the rest of us, Man come on there is no Nwo, on goverment killing us if they were, they would have already got you and the rest of your NWO believes, Think about it.

I must be a moron for not thinking that the goverment want to kill its people to create a nwo sorry silly me, something tells me that you spend most of your time on your computer don't have a social life maybe if you ventured out of your little box evrey now and again you might start enjoying life rather than post ludacris stories about the goverment, next thing your going to tell me tony blair is a love child of george bush senior and john major was working for bin laden. Get a grip and get a LIFE.

Ok, lets put this into context.

You call people who don't believe your conspiracy theories 'tards'
Let's take a closer look at this.

You believe there is a NWO. No not the wrestling team, a new world order regarding governments.
Someone who believes that the democracy we know today is actually in jeoprady of being overthrown by a new world order, is calling us 'tards'.
I beg you to think about this very closely.

You, mr spycat, believe that the government kills its own people for gain.
That is a very interesting theory, and because we don't think it, you call us 'tards'.
Hmm, anyone else see a pattern emerging?

Maybe we are all just so blind to the truth, thanks for trying to enlighten us mr spycat, but we are ok, us 'tards' will stick together in a unity of actual sanity and common sense.

The answer is the pivital factor determining how much people are able to believe in such things like Wigs counting the flesh and fear in their build up process.. How is one able to trust the evidence if it is hardly complete? Hence 2+2=4

well said

This is a good example of how the truth can be so easily twisted by those determined to find a conspiracy.

The first statement is flatly contradicted by what Power actually says! Was it a 1,000 person strong exercise? Or an exercise for a company that employs 1,000 people? Was it at the exact time of the bombings? Or did it not start until 40 minutes later? And waht exactly is a crises management exercise anyway? I'll tell you: a routine paper exercise in which a group of middle managers get together to ensure they have sufficent plans in place to keep their business running in the event of another IRA bombing. I assume that this particular company's plans proved adequate on the day

I do have a conspiracy theory of my own though.

I think the conspiracy theorists were behind it! They set the whole thing up in order to prove that their silly little conspiracy theories are real!

Now there is a conspiracy I can believe

i think thats as plausible as the other conspiracy theories i don't know how that one has been missed until now

But even if it hadn't happened they would only have invented a conspiracy about why London hasn't been targeted... You can't win with these people

Some people decide to choose all the conspiracy theories invented by the Government. Because we all know they are the least likely source of lies and misinformation, right?

If you would have talked to me four years ago, I would have been on your side of this argument. The only reason would be because I had no idea what the New World Order represented. In fact I had not even heard of it before four years ago. Now I have spent four years reading government document talking about establishing the new world order. This is real, just because it's no common knowledge doesn't mean it's not true. The elites are laughing at you because you have no idea what your in for.

I know it sucks to think that your own government would kill you if the ends justify the means, but that is the scary reality you are not supposed to know, but should know as a responsible citizen of whatever country you live in.

"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game,” right-wing terrorist Vincezo Vinciguerra explained the so-called “strategy of tension” to Casson.

“The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security. This is the political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain unpunished, because the state cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what happened."

source http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/GAN412A.html

also

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html

Why do you not belive in the new world order? The only reason we are talking about it is because we have heard the leaders of the world talk about it. This is not somting that will be talked about in US mainstream news or on late night talk shows like David Letterman, which is why maybe you haven't heard about it yet.

President Bush has called for a new world order plenty of times. The last time I know of is back on December 2, 2004 in canada.

Bush calls for global cooperation

By Joseph Curl
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

HALIFAX, Nova Scotia — President Bush yesterday challenged international leaders to create a new world order, declaring pre-September 11 multilateralism outmoded and asserting that freedom from terrorism will come only through pre-emptive action against enemies of democracy.

source http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20...22549-7793r.htm

And then, just yesterday, China called for the new world order:

China, Russia issue joint statement on new world order
July 15, 2005
China and Russia here Friday issued a joint statement on a new world order in the 21st century, setting forth their common stand on major international issues, such as UN reforms, globalization, North-South cooperation, and world economy and trade.

The statement was signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin and visiting Chinese President Hu Jintao after their talks.

source http://english1.people.com.cn/200507/01/pr...701_193636.html


You should be asking the president of the US, why he is so crazy to believe in somthing you know doesn't exist (the New World Order) which the leaders of all the nations are trying to create. Remember, you are a peasant on a global plantation. Why would you know about this? You are only supposed to know what will make you a productive citizen.

The new world order is very real. You should be thanking us for letting you know ahead of time that your life is about to change drasically for the worse in the next decade, so you can prepare yourself. We are not crazy for knowing about the New World Order, you are just uninformed when it comes to this topic.

Hi scoobysnack,
I believe something drastic will happen...unless...
In what ways are you preparing yourself ? Didn't John Titor (yeah, I know he was proven a fake) but didn't he mention having a good bike with extra bike tires (and did you know there are no bike tire manufactorers in the USA) and other such things.
Oh man, I always regret reading in this conspiracy forum
*goes to have a drink in Snuffies tiki parlor

Edit: yes, I know I'm off topic

I mean prepare your soul.

"They told me that it is important for us to acquire knowledge of the spirit while we are in the flesh. The more knowledge we acquire here, the further and faster we will pregress there. Because of lack of knowledge or belief, some spirits are virtual prisoners of this earth. Some who die as atheists, or those who have bonded to the world through greed, bodily appetites, or other earthly commitments find it difficult to move on, and they become earth-bound. They often lack faith and power to reach for , or in some cases even to recognize, the energy and light that pulls us toward god. These spirits stay on the earth until they learn to accept the greater power around them and to let go of the world.
--Embraced by the light

You know what?

I'm not even going to offer a response.

Because you can bet if a post like this was made in the spirituallity forum regarding god it would be closed.

I see no reason why this shouldn't be, but I am not a mod, so I guess it's not my choice.

If you've got nothing better to do than try to prevoke a reaction, be my guest, but I think I'll rise above it thanks.

There are two sides to every story, and somewhere in between lies the truth.

American news mediums are unreliable, as they broadcast reports written by government officials. BBC I have much more respect for, as they'll consult the big guns on issues (check out Noam Chomsky) instead of bomboard the masses with rhetoric and speculation. Which, if you watch Fox News, MSNBC, or any of that other crap, you'll have to learn to read between the lines to get the real story.

As for the London bombings, the four days was full of 9 or 10 different stories. They've continually been changing the details of what happened.

And you don't find that a little bit unsettling?

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/tube.asp

debunking prior knowledge theory

how does faking a warning debunk the "fact" that drills were taking place on the same day at the same stations at the same time?(please say coincidence ,please say coincidence)

Your always crying link I provided one why did I know you would still want more lol cant play anymore dinners ready bye bye

Well once again, you guys are odd man out, we all know there is not going to be a NWO, and every day it sounds like more and more people know it too.!

it wasn't "drills" it was a crises manage exersise. and taking a quote from a previous post "what is crises management exercise anyway? I'll tell you: a routine paper exercise in which a group of middle managers get together to ensure they have sufficent plans in place to keep their business running in the event of another IRA bombing. I assume that this particular company's plans proved adequate on the day"

right like theres a difference-- an exercise that happened to be on the same day as its real life equivalent coincidentally in the same stations at the same time--an exercise that happened to be about terrorists and bombs --its the blatant lack of common sense in percieving simple aspects of complicity like this that amazes me --like silversteins purchase and re-insurance with terrorist clause just prior to 9/11--this like getting a life insurance policy on your wife with an accidental death clause and having her fall down the staircase the next day--cheney's suddenly ordering rumsfeld to strip the generals of their shoot down authority two months before 9/11--the drills running on 9/11 concerning hijacked planes attacking the wtc and pentagon --norad not defending the pentagon --wtc 7 collapsing and the list goes on and on and on....

The reality is blatantly obvious...Should a reasercher be concidered a conspiracy theorist, it is obvious that nobody took time to study their claims and research to any degree, otherwise they would be named quite different, when the evidence is beyond any doubt the researcher is called a conspiracist because he has the truth. Or perhaps one feels fear of the possibilty that he has the truth and plays down he argument, or one feels parania and irrational denial las most debunkers are inflicted with on hearing ideas that frighten them to the bone ... The guys that make me laugh the most are the ones who spend endless posts with very fearbased one liners like.



Without logic, reasoning, and objective debating on this very serious subject I can only summise that they either lie life in a very limited way or they base their argument on fear if not on their attempt to side step the facts while moderators observe without interuption, the art of watering down a thread to pinch and punch arguments we left with kindergarten. The obvious patterns are all over the internet. But historyhas had a rash of them for a long time. I think they have plagued progress for some time...Remember all the gohst hunters of 30 years ago and the debunkers following them everytime with baseless arguments like

` there are no ghosts, there are just no ghosts, and that's it...It was the wind so stop being silly about ghosts`

... remember hearing the debunkers on that subject years ago? They were the ones who had slowed everyone down on the acceptance which was eventual, except in places where people prefer debunkers. Then came the UFO debunkers who are gradually losing that battle also, and of course the NWO brdbrains. I say birdbrain because it ain't that difficult to ad 2+2 on the NWO Revelations (not just conspiracy). I am only waiting until it becomes that obvous that cats and dogs are chatting about NWO. Though I know Bush is always tempted to end one of his speeches with a Nazi salute to take the piss by being obvious enough because there are still enough debunkers out there to protect him on the internet....Unfortunately, it is the debunker types who will become the most angry when they eventually know the facts and I hope they are the ones who lead countries into civil wars...they deserve to die first...

I think that with as much information out there from inside sources like Phil Schneider's last speech, one has to at least seriously consider the NWO to be a reality.

Or at least be prepared for it, because you never know.