Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums > Harry Potter 6 Spoiler Discussion

JennRose

Aug 8 2005, 02:47 PM

QUOTE(TaintedDoughnuts @ Aug 8 2005, 04:07 AM)

They've got some new book out that explains all of those puns in the character's names, I forgot what it's called though

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Well, dang! Now I won't get a chance to show off how smart I am anymore!

Edit: Crap! I have instead made myself look silly.

Trelawney's first name is actually Sybill. And it all made so much sense last night after 3 beers!

TaintedDoughnuts

Aug 8 2005, 05:25 PM

Found it

Link
I was skimming through the pages, when I came across Lupin's name... apparently, it's some kind of "double" pun. Remus is one of the twins in the legend of "Romulus and Remus," who were raised by wolves, and Lupin is derived from the adjective Lupine, which translates to "having wolf- like qualities." It's also a noun form, Lupus, which means "wolf" It's amazing how much thought J.K. puts into her character's names!

JennRose, you were almost there: Cassandra Trelawney is Sybill's great- great- grandmother

BurnSide

Aug 8 2005, 05:33 PM

I KNEW i heard the name Cassandra in the books somewhere.

Anyone, Professor Sprouts first name?

ABOTU

Aug 8 2005, 05:42 PM

Good guess that it would start with an S but it doesn't. Pomona. Being the godess of the garden and fruit

BurnSide

Aug 8 2005, 05:45 PM

WHAT!? Awww. That's annoying.

Slytherin House = SS
Griffyndor = MM
Ravenclaw = FF
Hufflepuff = PS?? Bah!

ABOTU

Aug 8 2005, 05:46 PM

Well, dang! Now I won't get a chance to show off how smart I am anymore!

Edit: Crap! I have instead made myself look silly.

Trelawney's first name is actually Sybill. And it all made so much sense last night after 3 beers!

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Sybill was an ancient prophetess. As a word it means ‘oracle’, ‘fortune teller’ or ‘witch’. This is a thought out name, given Trelawny’s position as Divination teacher. Trelawny is an area of England, in Cornwall. In ancient Greek mythology, fortune teller and witch Sibyl got past Cerberus, the three headed dog guarding the underworld (sound like Fluffy at all?) by giving it a drugged cake.

ABOTU

Aug 8 2005, 05:48 PM

Okay I'll quit trying to look smart

the website is

this website

it's got every name, and I mean every name!

BurnSide

Aug 8 2005, 05:49 PM

haha, cheater.

TaintedDoughnuts

Aug 8 2005, 05:49 PM

QUOTE(BurnSide @ Aug 8 2005, 10:33 AM)

I KNEW i heard the name Cassandra in the books somewhere.

Anyone, Professor Sprouts first name?
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It's Pomona

EDIT: A Believer of the Unexplained beat me to it

ABOTU

Aug 8 2005, 05:50 PM

QUOTE(BurnSide @ Aug 8 2005, 01:49 PM)

haha, cheater.

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me? never! Well nobody else was getting it soo....

JennRose

Aug 8 2005, 05:55 PM

I love that about her books...all the hidden meaning. Minerva was the Roman goddess of wisdom, that sort of thing. Although, I am a litttle concerned with Nymphadora's hidden meaning!

There was a link somewhere back, but I lost it. Anything interesting about the name Albus?

ABOTU

Aug 8 2005, 06:00 PM

QUOTE(JennRose @ Aug 8 2005, 01:55 PM)

I love that about her books...all the hidden meaning. Minerva was the Roman goddess of wisdom, that sort of thing. Although, I am a litttle concerned with Nymphadora's hidden meaning!

There was a link somewhere back, but I lost it. Anything interesting about the name Albus?
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it means white which might have to do with the good side

MJB222

Aug 8 2005, 11:23 PM

QUOTE(A Believer of the Unexplained @ Aug 8 2005, 10:48 AM)

Okay I'll quit trying to look smart

the website is

this website

it's got every name, and I mean every name!
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Thanks for the link, I was looking around that website and got to a thing that some info on the next book. It had a thing that had "Facts about book 7". On of them was:

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Harry will survive

There go's my (and a lot of other people's) theory that Harry will die in the next book. I was kinda hoping that he would die becuase it would make it more interesting.

ABOTU

Aug 8 2005, 11:27 PM

QUOTE(MJB222 @ Aug 8 2005, 07:23 PM)

QUOTE(A Believer of the Unexplained @ Aug 8 2005, 10:48 AM)

Okay I'll quit trying to look smart

the website is

this website

it's got every name, and I mean every name!
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Thanks for the link, I was looking around that website and got to a thing that some info on the next book. It had a thing that had "Facts about book 7". On of them was:

QUOTE

Harry will survive

There go's my (and a lot of other people's) theory that Harry will die in the next book. I was kinda hoping that he would die becuase it would make it more interesting.
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you never know. they're probably wrong. he's gotta die.

TaintedDoughnuts

Aug 9 2005, 01:35 AM

It didn't say he WILL survive, it said he survives TO this book. Isn't that two different things? here's the link to the 7th book facts, but wikipedia's facts/rumors are more detailed

link

MJB222

Aug 9 2005, 01:42 AM

Oh, me not notice that part.

BurnSide

Aug 9 2005, 02:03 AM

haha yeah i was just about to say you took it out of context.
I have little hope in being suprised by Harry survivng the next book.

BurnSide

Aug 10 2005, 02:01 AM

!!!

There is no doubt, at all, in my mind now that Harry is a Horcrux. What's more is, interestingly, i think Dumbledore has always known.

Taken from the end of the Chamer of Secrets:

Dumbledore, talking to Harru.

(dumbledore) "He transfered some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar."
(harry) "He put abit of himself into me?"
(dumbedore) "It certainly seems so."

He put abit of himself, in Harry.
Voldemort transfered part of his soul, into Harry.

A Horcrux, an object encasing a part of soul.

Although what's interesting, is we know pretty much all the horcrux objects already:

Diary, Ring, Locket, Snake, Cup. The final one, we're not sure.
(There are only 6, because voldemorts body holds the 7th)

But we know that the seventh piece is supposed to be something of Gryffindors.

...

...

OH!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler!!!

I'm sure i've just figure it all out! There's supposed to be very important information given about Lily Potter in the 7th book!

Harry Potter, is a decendant, of Godric Gryffindor!! Voldemort returned to Hogwarts to get an object belonging to Gryffindor, but was turned away by Dumbledore. Voldemort is the decendant of Sytherin, who is desinted to face the decendant of Gryffindor!! Lily Potter apparently has a big secret, i bet she is a decendant of Gryffindor!

Voldemort went after Potter and made him a Horcrux because he was a Gryffindor?

hahaah i feel like Harry Potter after figuring out the way into the Chmaber of Secrets!

Does this at least seem plausable to anyone else?

ABOTU

Aug 10 2005, 02:05 AM

dang, that's probably right! holy crap I had no idea.... geezz! now I'm not gonna be able to go to sleep!

BurnSide

Aug 10 2005, 02:05 AM

The Sword!! Godric Gryffindors sword!!
Dumbledore says to Harry 'only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that from the hat'.

Only a DECENDANT of Gryffindor, more like!

MJB222

Aug 10 2005, 02:09 AM

QUOTE(BurnSide @ Aug 9 2005, 07:01 PM)

!!!

There is no doubt, at all, in my mind now that Harry is a Horcrux. What's more is, interestingly, i think Dumbledore has always known.

Taken from the end of the Chamer of Secrets:

Dumbledore, talking to Harru.

(dumbledore) "He transfered some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar."
(harry) "He put abit of himself into me?"
(dumbedore) "It certainly seems so."

He put abit of himself, in Harry.
Voldemort transfered part of his soul, into Harry.

A Horcrux, an object encasing a part of soul.

Although what's interesting, is we know pretty much all the horcrux objects already:

Diary, Ring, Locket, Snake, Cup. The final one, we're not sure.
(There are only 6, because voldemorts body holds the 7th)

But we know that the seventh piece is supposed to be something of Gryffindors.

...

...

OH!!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler!!!

I'm sure i've just figure it all out! There's supposed to be very important information given about Lily Potter in the 7th book!

Harry Potter, is a decendant, of Godric Gryffindor!! Voldemort returned to Hogwarts to get an object belonging to Gryffindor, but was turned away by Dumbledore. Voldemort is the decendant of Sytherin, who is desinted to face the decendant of Gryffindor!! Lily Potter apparently has a big secret, i bet she is a decendant of Gryffindor!

Voldemort went after Potter and made him a Horcrux because he was a Gryffindor?

hahaah i feel like Harry Potter after figuring out the way into the Chmaber of Secrets!

Does this at least seem plausable to anyone else?
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As complicated as that sounds, it actually makes perfect sense.

BurnSide

Aug 10 2005, 02:10 AM

QUOTE(A Believer of the Unexplained @ Aug 9 2005, 10:05 PM)

dang, that's probably right! holy crap I had no idea.... geezz! now I'm not gonna be able to go to sleep!
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Excellent, i'm happy you agree.

hahaha, i am the KING.

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As complicated as that sounds, it actually makes perfect sense.

I know eh! It all ties in perfectly!!

TaintedDoughnuts

Aug 10 2005, 04:49 AM

Dang, that's some good reasoning. I'm jealous

BurnSide

Aug 11 2005, 02:06 PM

Just a brainwave.

I'll be suprised now if this is incorrect actually.

JennRose

Aug 11 2005, 03:14 PM

Excellent deductions, Sherlock!

Unfortunately, Lily was muggle-born.

Remeber Aunt Petunia. However, it could be through James.

aquatus1

Aug 11 2005, 03:27 PM

I am just going to throw in a little modifier.

I stated previously not that Harry was the horcrux, but rather, that Harry's scar was the horcrux. I belive that Voldemort intended to make Harry a horcrux (which is why Lily screamed "Take me instead."), but his mother protected him with a bit of her own soul, creating the scar (it has been repeated several times that the Avada Kadabra leaves no marks of any kind.

Incidentally, I also only believe there are six horcruxes left, not seven. The locket, the ring, the diary, Voldemort, those are the four soul pieces accounted for. Of the three remaining, one could be the Hufflepuff cups, and two we don't know about. If we assume that Harry is one of them, that only leaves one piece of soul left over. I believe that piece was destroyed the first time Voldemort died.

Praise me!

JennRose

Aug 11 2005, 03:47 PM

There is supposed to be something really imporatnat about Harry having the green eyes of his mother and that she was very good at charms...I wonder if that could somehow play into this...

But I agree, I think his scar is the holocrux.

Nxt2Hvn

Aug 11 2005, 03:47 PM

I know this is a "Half-Blood Prince" discussion.. and I am proud to say that I am almost finished with the book...

And I know that the "Goblet of Fire" will be released on November 18th.. but I just wanted to let everyone know that they are in production stages of "Order of the Phoenix" and it is set to release in June or July of 2007.

Just thought I would let everyone know!

Back on topic...

aquatus1

Aug 11 2005, 03:55 PM

QUOTE(JennRose @ Aug 11 2005, 03:47 PM)

But I agree, I think his scar is the holocrux.
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Merlin's Beard, A New Theory!

Ensign Harry Potter is actually dreaming all of this on-board the starship Enterprise!

JennRose

Aug 11 2005, 03:56 PM

QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 11 2005, 11:55 AM)

QUOTE(JennRose @ Aug 11 2005, 03:47 PM)

But I agree, I think his scar is the holocrux.
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Merlin's Beard, A New Theory!

Ensign Harry Potter is actually dreaming all of this on-board the starship Enterprise!
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Horcrux, holocrux...what-EVER.

I am at work and can't proofread.

aquatus1

Aug 11 2005, 03:59 PM

Any science sufficiently advanced from man's etc...

TaintedDoughnuts

Aug 11 2005, 08:49 PM

Perhaps even though Lily was muggle- born, somewhere along the line, one family of wizards had a muggle for a child? Is that possible? Or maybe they adopted a muggle, thus making the muggle exposed to magic?

ABOTU

Aug 11 2005, 08:57 PM

When was Lily in school as opposed to when Voldemort(aka Tom Riddle) was in school? COuld they have possibly known each other? Because Hagrid was in school with Riddle and doesn't seem that much older than Harrys parents would be. Maybe Lily and Riddle knew each other.

aquatus1

Aug 11 2005, 10:57 PM

Tom Riddle was in school fifty years ago, when he opened the Chamber of Secrets. Figure Harry is about 15, give or take, add a couple of years between graduation and childbirth for Lilly, and figure 7 years at Hogwarts for Lilly (no college, I suppose), and you get 25 years, meaning there was an easy 25 years or so between Tom Riddle and Lily Evans.

Nobody was impressed at my deduction that there are only six horcruxes, not seven?

TaintedDoughnuts

Aug 11 2005, 11:15 PM

We already knew that there was only six! Voldemort did 6, so there would be 7 pieces of his soul floating around, which is the lucky wizard number

RH2097

Aug 11 2005, 11:20 PM

Another slight theory on The Potter's being Gryffindor's decendents... The Potter's house was at Godric's Hollow wasn't it? A friend of mine mentioned that one to me..

aquatus1

Aug 12 2005, 12:31 AM

QUOTE(TaintedDoughnuts @ Aug 11 2005, 11:15 PM)

We already knew that there was only six! Voldemort did 6, so there would be 7 pieces of his soul floating around, which is the lucky wizard number

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Right. I meant six soul pieces left, including the one Voldemort is currently using. Five horcruxes, not six: the diary, the ring, the locket, the cups, are the four known horcruxes. Harry's scar is the presumed fifth. Voldemort has got a piece of a soul (allegedly), so that's the sixth. The remaining seventh piece of soul was destroyed along with Voldemort's original body.

So, of the seven pieces of soul that Voldemort is thought to have divided his soul up into, 3 are gone (the ring, the diary, Voldemort 1.0), 2 are accounted for (the locket, as soon as they figure out Kreacher has it tucked away somewhere, and Voldemort's current soul), and 2 we think think we know (the Hufflepuff cups and Harry's scar). So there are only five horcruxes, and of the five, only the cups need to be found.

JennRose

Aug 12 2005, 01:46 AM

QUOTE(RH2097 @ Aug 11 2005, 07:20 PM)

Another slight theory on The Potter's being Gryffindor's decendents... The Potter's house was at Godric's Hollow wasn't it? A friend of mine mentioned that one to me..

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Well, apparently the Potter's occupation is going to factor in to the whole scheme in the last book, so maybe so. We are also going to learn why they left Harry so much gold. I bet it's not a far-fetched idea that James is descendant of Godric. He was a pure-blood after all.

BurnSide

Aug 12 2005, 07:20 PM

QUOTE(JennRose @ Aug 11 2005, 11:14 AM)

Unfortunately, Lily was muggle-born.

Remeber Aunt Petunia. However, it could be through James.
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Yeah, i know she was. Unfortunately, i couldn't figure out how to explain this away.

QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 11 2005, 11:27 AM)

Incidentally, I also only believe there are six horcruxes left, not seven. The locket, the ring, the diary, Voldemort, those are the four soul pieces accounted for. Of the three remaining, one could be the Hufflepuff cups, and two we don't know about. If we assume that Harry is one of them, that only leaves one piece of soul left over. I believe that piece was destroyed the first time Voldemort died.

Praise me!
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Actually, don't we know what 5 Horcruxes are?
You're right, there is the Diary, the Locket, the Ring and Voldemort. We are also assuming since Voldemort stole the cup, that is also a Horcrux. That's 5 pieces of soul. But we also know another. Nangini, the snake. Dumbledore says he suspects that the giant Snake is a horcrux. That leaves one piece left, which is most likely Harry. Or his scar, same thing.

QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 11 2005, 08:31 PM)

So, of the seven pieces of soul that Voldemort is thought to have divided his soul up into, 3 are gone (the ring, the diary, Voldemort 1.0), 2 are accounted for (the locket, as soon as they figure out Kreacher has it tucked away somewhere, and Voldemort's current soul), and 2 we think think we know (the Hufflepuff cups and Harry's scar). So there are only five horcruxes, and of the five, only the cups need to be found.
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But teh snake. Teh snaaaake!

QUOTE(JennRose @ Aug 11 2005, 09:46 PM)

Well, apparently the Potter's occupation is going to factor in to the whole scheme in the last book, so maybe so. We are also going to learn why they left Harry so much gold. I bet it's not a far-fetched idea that James is descendant of Godric. He was a pure-blood after all.
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It's got to be, if it's not Lily it's James. They had tons of money, they lived at Godrics Hollow, and really, it HAS to be Gryffindor against Slytherin for the final battle, it just makes sense.
But then, what's so important about Lily that we're going to discover?

ABOTU

Aug 12 2005, 07:30 PM

everybody think about everything that we have ever learned about Lily. hmmmm uh..... any ideas people?

aquatus1

Aug 12 2005, 09:03 PM

QUOTE(BurnSide @ Aug 12 2005, 07:20 PM)

Actually, don't we know what 5 Horcruxes are?
You're right, there is the Diary, the Locket, the Ring and Voldemort. We are also assuming since Voldemort stole the cup, that is also a Horcrux. That's 5 pieces of soul. But we also know another. Nangini, the snake. Dumbledore says he suspects that the giant Snake is a horcrux. That leaves one piece left, which is most likely Harry. Or his scar, same thing.

No! The snake, see...it was...there isn't....

Ahh, screw the snake!

Okay, we got the Diary, the Ring, and the Locket, confirmed (more or less),
That's 3.

We got the Cups and Nagini, as strong suspects by Canon.
That's 2.

We suspect Harry, just cause we do.
That's 1

Voldemort has a piece of his soul.
That's another 1.

But Voldemort had to have a piece of soul in him when he tried to kill Harry...
That would be 8 pieces of soul altogether!

Unless...the piece of soul he had when he was killing Harry got transferred to Harry by mistake, resulting in Voldermort's original death!

So Harry's scar actually has twice as much soul as the other horcruxes (2/7ths)...

Waaaaaaaaaay overthinking this!

BurnSide

Aug 12 2005, 09:27 PM

You're right though, a piece of soul HAD to have been destroyed when the Avada Kedrava curse backfired. Why did Dumbledore not mention this at all?
Could.. could Rowling have slipped up?

Maybe they just forgot..

aquatus1

Aug 12 2005, 09:43 PM

Well, like I said, Voldemort might have meant to just put the penultimate 7th piece of his soul into Harry, but something happened to make both remaining pieces of his soul get stuck on Harry instead.

BurnSide

Aug 12 2005, 10:00 PM

Yes, that could work. Perhaps because he had to kill Lily AND James, two murders, two pieces of soul were transfered.

panther10758

Aug 13 2005, 01:16 AM

Now I admit I have not read every post so this may have been answered. My 10 year old just read book she claims Snape works for Voldemort (Evil wizard that killed Harry's parents) if so ok he kills Dumbledore. I have read elsewhere Snape is not evil and killed Dumbledore for a "good" reason can someone please clear this up

BurnSide

Aug 13 2005, 01:42 AM

Well, there's two possibilities when it comes to Snape.

1: Snape works for Voldemort, has always worked for Voldemort to spy on the Order and is a Death Eater.

Evidence:
Harry has always thought so.
He betrayed the prophecy to Voldemort, which made Voldemort go after Harry.
He killed Dumbledore.
He used to be a death eater.
Voldemort trusts him fully.
He seems so evil.
He has always hated Harry.
He was happy Sirius died, and probably happy that thye Potters died.
He is harbouring Wormtail and make an unbreakable vow to protect Malfoy.
Snape practiced dark magic when he was at hogwarts and made secret killing curses.
He is the head of slytherin house.
Probably more.

2: Snape works for Dumbledore, has always been good and was a spy against Voldemort.

Evidence:
Dumbledore trusts Snape.
Snape has saved Harrys life before a couple times.
Snape is in the Order.
Snape had to kill Dumbledore to save his own life and Malfoys life.
Dumbledore pleaded Snape to kill him.
Snape is no longer a death eater and did not return to voldemort.
He stopped Voldemort getting the philosophers stone.
He let harry live at the end and stopped the crucio curse on harry.
There's more, i can't think of it at the mo.

Cody lee Williams

Aug 13 2005, 02:44 AM

If snape wrote the book and it is 50 years old wouldnt that make him like 60 somthing?

BurnSide

Aug 13 2005, 02:52 AM

The book was Snapes Mums, she passed it on to him.

She was called Prince, remember. And she was a witch, but Snapes Dad was a Muggle. So Snape was a Half Blood, Prince. Half a Prince, on his mothers side.

She was in school 50 years ago, Snape was in school about 30 years ago, at the same time James and Lily and Sirius and Lupin etc.

JennRose

Aug 13 2005, 06:52 AM

Aquatus, Burnside...just want to let you guys know that any mental grasp I thought I had on Voldemort's soul-swapping has been successfully rendered null and void from you guys' earlier posts.

Thanks.

snuffypuffer

Aug 13 2005, 07:29 AM

Well, Snape killing Dumbledore was sort of foreshadowed throughout the book. Remember Dumbledore told Harry at least twice that, due to him being much cleverer than the average person, his mistakes were also often much bigger. Trusting Snape so, only to be betrayed at the end, would have qualified as a big mistake.