Snape did write the book when he was in school, about thirty years ago, with Harry's parents. He wasn't around fifty years ago.

Ok Snape kills dumbledore but Snape has been part of books and school from the start he even helped Harry on many occasions so why wait until now to kill dumbledore if he is part of Voldemort's plan? Dumbledore is very wise and would have seen Snape as a threat and would not fall such easy prey. Somethings not right I feel Snape is not as evil as we may think. I havent read book but I have think there is another reason (possibly good) for snape's action. I am asking input from those who have read book. Is it possible Snape killing dumbledore wasnt an act of evil? Is there more to this? Why would Dumbledore allow Snape around if he was such a threat?

There are a lot of possibilities. Snape might well have told Dumbledore about the pact that he made, meaning Dumbledore knew Snape would have to die if he didn't kill Dumbledore, and thus requested that Snape kill him by way of leglimancy (Dumbledore's "Serverus, please..." might have been a plea to kill the man Snape had always considered his mentor, rather than a plea for his life). It would also explain why Dumbledore didn't simply free Harry and have him attack from behind.

Okay, what if Dumbledore trusted Snape, because Snape made an unbreakable vow? Just an idea.....

I suggested that before but it seems unlikely . Killing Dumbledore would have broken any vow made and Snape would have died.

Well, if the vow was to never betray the order...could one intepret killing Dumbledore in order to ensure a vital flow of info to the order as a fulfilment of that? If Snape had not killed Dumbledore, he would have blown his cover and seriously harmed the order's intelligence operation...

That's true. But was there an Order of the Pheonix back in the first book? DUmbledore trusted Snape fully then too.
And if that was the vow, Snape would never have been able to keep Voldemorts trust, since Snape did have to relay certain information back to Voldemort to keep up the sharade.

I love to read for one, and love the harry potter movies for 2nd but for some reason I've never fathomed myself to read the potter books. I mean I've had chances and have watched the movies so many times, my spouse threatens to ban them from our video & dvd collection.
I have all the films. But I've heard the books can become boring because there is so much in them. Yet Peirce Anthony is my favorite author and some say that if I can read that then harry potter should be fine. But Peirce Anthony always keeps ya going when you reading his books. So what is everyone's opinion on the books compared to the movies? Should I take my chances and read the books also??

The books can become boring because there's so much!?

WHAT??
hahahah. That's quite silly.

The books are miles better than the movies, because there is more. The movies only detail important points, most of it is completely cut. The books are AMAZING.

And honestly, if children can read them religiously and they can keep their attention, i don't see how they're apparently 'boring'.

I wonder if Bellatrix has the cups.

Lucius had the diary. Regulus had the locket. Voldemort has the snake. Who had the ring?

It seems that Voldemort gave the horcruxes to his most faithful followers for safekeeping. I doubt Snape would have gotten one, just because it isn't generally a good idea to trust a double-agent all too much.

The ring was hidden in the ruins of the Guant House where his mother, uncle and grandfather lived.

And RAB didn't have the locket originally. He deserted the death eaters, found out about Voldemorts horcruxes, stole the locket from the cave, and then was killed by voldemort. So we assume.

I was under the impression that Regulus had been given the locket, hid it in the cave, and either changed his mind then or later and replaced the original with the fake.

I remember about the ring, but I can't quite recal that the ring was left there intentionaly. In other words, was it hidden there, or lost there? Who actually had custody of the thing?

Voldemort had it.
He visited Morvin at the house of Guant and discovered at that time his mother was Morvins sister and his father was a muggle who lived up the street at the Riddle house. He killed Riddle and the whole family of muggles, and changed Morvins memory so that Morvin thought he killed them. He also took Marvolos ring, which Morvin was wearing. Tom then wore this ring for the rest of his school years and later, we find the house of Guant destroyed and the Ring planted within it's walls. Dumbledore found it.

It was planted there because the place had strong connections to Voldemorts past. Remember, Voldemort chose items and locations important to him.

Just like the cave. As a boy before Hogwarts Tom lured two muggle children into the cave and did horrible things to them there. That's why he used the same cave to hide the locket, his horcrux. I don't think Regulus hid it for him. Voldemort would never trust any of his followers with such important items like his Horcruxes.

So Lucius having the diary might have been a fluke...or deliberate on Lucius part after Voldermort got killed...

Darn...where are those damn cups?

Dumbledore covered that too didn't he?

Lucius WAS given the Diary to plant at Hogwarts by Voldemort when Voldemort was still in power. Voldemort wanted the diary to be discovered and then have his memory open the Chamber of Secrets and announce to the world that it was he, Lord Voldemort, who was the true Heir of Slytherin. Lucius was to wait for Voldemorts go-ahead before planting the Diary on a Hogwarts-bound student.

However, Voldemort then perished and Lucius was left holding the extremely powerful Diary. Lucius knew that, with this Diary, he could cause the Chamber of Secrets to open, cause chaos at Hogwarts and even get Dumbledore out. But Voldemort did not tell Lucius was the Diary actaully was, an object incasing a part of his soul.

Lucius, thinking Voldemort dead, then used the Diary for his OWN purposes, and casually threw the Diary away for his own means. Naturally this would have furiated Voldemort when he found out, since a piece of his soul was destroyed and Lucius directly betrayed Voldemorts orders.


SO.



The Snake, Voldemort keeps close.
The Ring, planted in the ruins of the home his mother lived in.
The Locket, hidden in the cave where young Tom fully discovered his powers.
The Diary, kept safe to be planted in Hogwarts to show the world he is the true Heir.
A piece hidden within Voldemort itself.

That leaves two, we speculate on.

The Cup, location unknown. Could it be hidden at Hogwarts? At the Orphanage Tom grew up in? At the Riddle house where he murdered his father? Or abroad? Maybe at Borkin and Burkes where he worked? Hrmm.

And the final piece, what we assume to be Harry Potters scar. A piece of Godric Gryffindor.




Damn, all this speculation and sorting of the information. I think i read too much Harry Potter! Especially considering, that IS what they do in the books primarily.

I'm having a lot of trouble seperating what I remember from the fanfictions from what I remember from the book.

Honestly, I felt the book was very much like a fanfiction than actual canon.

I think Rowling left out alot of details from previous books that were extremely important, and ended up having to explain every complicated point in detail in this one. It would have been better if we'd not been given so much all in one go.
I guess it felt like a build-up to the last book.

I really enjoyed it, but i've had to read it three times to actually get everything.

I'm still waiting for the following confrontation....

In an epic duel, Harry is overpowered by Voldemort, and greviously wounded. Edging away from the dark lord, Harry awaits his fate. However, Voldemort hesitates instead of striking him down.

Voldemort: Join me...I will complete your training...

Harry: I'll never join you!

Voldemort: Harry...if only you knew the power of the dark side....Dumbledore never told you what happened to your father...

Harry: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!

Voldemort: ....

Harry: .....

Voldemort: Okay, he did. My bad.

Acxtually, now that you mention it, parts of Potter do feel like Star Wars...just with more stupid names and no space ships

How can you say HP has more stupid names than Star Wars? Jabba, Yoda, Lando, Bera, Boba...they sound like the first words of infants! All the HP names are at least "real" ones.

Mad-Eye Moody?

It's a nick-name 'cause of the funky magic eye, that isn't his real first name. I can't remember what Dumbledore called him, but it wasn't 'Mad-Eye'. And I know several people w/ the last name Moody.

Alastor Moody is his real name.
The worst one is Nymphadora. But she acknowledges it's an awful name too.

I just finished reading the book.....

R.I.P Aberforth Dumbledore

Oh yea and i'm going to kill Snape in my dreams tonight.

I havent read book (my daughter has) but I cant believe Snape killed Dumbledore or tha tDumbledore could not prevent it. I thin next book will explain this in more detail but I got to feel that Snape had a "good" reason to kill dumbledore and we are being duped into believing him evil!

i just loved the little book. I read it last sunday borrowed it from a little neighbor boy. I couldnt pt it down finished it that day. What a great escape from the real world. I know its for kids but I guess Im just a big one.

Luke Im your father...

You really need to read the book, or you wont understand why or anything.
Dumbledore could have done lots to prevent it, he deliberately didn't. It's written to seem like Dumbledore pleads for his life, but Dumbledore actually pleaded for Snape to kill him. If Snape did not, Malfoy and Snape would have been killed.

I thought he pleaded for serverus not to kill him.

That's what it seems.
But, Dumbledore plead for his life? Not a chance.

Fair enough, all opinion though.

You could be right.

One of my friends suggested that Harry Potter himself is the seventh horcrux.

I believe and reckon that he is spot on.

I don't know if that theory has been made known on this thread yet.
It probably has.

Oh, it's only been discussed in full detail from every angle in the last 8 pages.

Yes, i firmly believe that Harry, or at least a part of Harry (scar) is a Horcrux. It's a fully widely thought off theory. mugglenet.com even has a poll on it's main page about it.

Ah ok.


Well I am still proud of my friend who thought it up by himself, and he might have even had a beer.

Yes it seems to be an obvious conclusion to make. I can't remember what lead me to first thinking of it, but it seems everyone is swaying that way.

Which makes me wonder. Did Rowling give us too many clues, effectively allowing ourselves to subconciously ruin the 7th book? Or, did Rowling intentionally make it seem that it is the only logical route the 7th book can take, but then steer away and take a completely different approach, suprising us still.

I wonder indeed i do.

As it is a childrens book, I am guessing that it is the former.

I disagree. Rowling has done a marvelous job right up to the 6th book in keeping everyone guessing. I don't think she'd cop out and give everyone exactly what they're already expecting.

I have to admit I have become completely obsessed with Harry Potter.. and find myself laying in bed at night trying to figure it all out... I even find myself going back and reading the books... when I get an idea trying to figure it all out.. IT IS MADDENING!!!

I actually might need professional help!!! I can't wait for the next book... here's hoping J.K. is writing between the time she is spending with her kids!!

Don't worry Nxt, i've been completely possessed by the books recently. I've read HBP 3 times through now while reading all the other books over several times too. There's so many clues Rowling has left, i find myself discovering something new each time!

The most recent one i discovered, was Godrics Hollow.

James and Lily Potter, lived at Godrics Hollow.
Godric Gryffindor. Coincidence?

Ah.... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

*Nxt goes off to start reading 3 & 4 AGAIN!!!*

BTW.. thanks for the tip Burnsy!

The books are good, but I don't think they are anything special.

I can understand why people think they are great though.

No worries Nxt. Keep your eyes peeled.
I just remembered where i got the Horcrux theory from.

Dumbledore actually tells Harry in book 2 that Voldemort put a piece of himself inside Harry the night he killed his parents! And that's why Harry has the powers.

edit: harry, not happy

More evidence that...

Hey Burnside
Did you read the recent article in the Burrow from Mugglenet? It was a rather interesting find. You and everyone else should check it out!

Hey I'm trying to read each book the number it came out. So by the time i read all the books i would have read the Potter books at least 28 times, and I will fully understand the saga! I'm not going to do it right away, but throught the course of my life.

I've already read each book 28 times.

rofl

Are you serious???

Maybe not THAT much. AT least a good 7-8.

thank goodness for all you ppl! i got the book for my birthday but i wasn't able to read it until earlier this week because we were moving house and i've been dying to talk about it with someone.

i've read all the theories and i have to say i too think that snape had to kill dumbledore to save draco and dumbledore knew it was coming. as many times through all the books dumbledore reassured harry about trusting snape i just don't believe that he could have been wrong and not known exactly what was going on.

also i don't think that harry will die in the 7th book because didn't the prophecy say that ONE must die so the other lives? if that's the case then when voldemort dies harry will live. that's just what i hope anyway...

also i saw some speculation about snape being a vampire or part vampire. if that's the case couldn't dumbledore have sipped some of his blood in order to come back to 'life'? or mix vampirism with magic someway so dumbledore isn't really going to stay dead??? just wishful thinking mostly, i don't want dumbledore to be dead! i cried and cried!

i have to say i saw harry and ginny getting together a long time ago. i knew they'd get together as soon as ginny's character was introduced. i mean, what teen doesn't date his best friends good-looking sister?? and for crying out loud i am so ready for ron and hermione to get their acts together!

i really can't wait for the 7th book. the format is going to be so different since we're so used to the same set up, dursley's, hogwarts, hogsmead. now who knows where we all will be going? i can't wait!!!!!!

Well, we do know that Harry is returning to the Dursleys for at least part of the summer, and then he'll be going to Rons for the wedding of Fluer and Bill, and after that, who knows.

I thought that too, but the problem is: WHY save Draco? DD offered Draco protection, weren't there other ways to save him? If it saved anyone, it would be Snape. But why would DD have saved Snape this way, if the whole Order knowns nothing of the arrangement and will be out for revenge?

There are arguments to be made on both sides, but the strongest argument against the "redeemable Snape" view is that in the MuggleNet?Leaky Cauldron interview after the book release, JKR seemed blindsided by it for a moment. She recovered in time to offer a weak "Well, I can understand how people would say that..." or something to that effect. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the pro-"good Snape" side.



JKR shot the vampire theory down in the interview I mentioned. The basis of it was that after Snape assigned the class a werewolf essay in book 3, Lupin assigned them a vampire essay. Plausible, but we now have it on JKR's authority that it was apparently just a coincidence.



Yes, if they were real teenagers they would've gotten down to *biz* long ago!