because snape made the unbreakable vow and he had to keep draco safe. if dumbledore lived for any reason i think voldemort surely would have killed draco. also dumbledore is famous for doing things and knowing about things w/o telling anyone else about his intentions, so the order not knowing wouldn't be anything new really.

yeah, makes you wonder if bill and fluer will get any wedding gifts that contain bits of voldemort...

It could be through Lily, though. If one of gryffindors descendants married a muggle and had children there's a pretty good possibility that it would be a muggle. Then obviuosly that kid marries another muggle they have kids and forget all about there magical heritage. It's very far-fetched and personally I don't even think that Harry or his scar would be a horcrux, but I had to explain how that would work.

I agree with you on that one. I don't think that Jo would give that many clues. She's too good at what she does. I also don't think that Voldemort meant to give Harry a piece of himself. He wouldn't want to kill Harry so bad if he had. Why the heck would he want to kill something that has part of his soul? Also, Voldemort's whole thing in making the Horcruxes was so that he would live forever. Why, then, would he put one in a mortal being? The pieces just don't fit together.

They fit together perfectly.
In making Harry a horcrux, Voldemort diffused the prophecy. Voldemort has plenty of Horcruxes, he doesn't care if one goes amiss. If Harry dies, then the prophecy is not complete, and Voldemort lives. If Harry lives, then Voldemort will live also, because a piece of his soul is inside Harry, and Harry would not be able to kill Harry. This is the whole reason Voldemort went after Harry. He wasn't even going to kill Lily, but she got in the way. And because she did, Harry was protected and Voldemort's body was destroyed when he tried to pass the Horcrux to Harry, he accidentally passed his full self onto Harry, giving Harry all the powers he has such as Parseltongue.

Think about it though...Harry has been securly protected by the ministry, Aurors, Dumbledore etc. throughout the whole series from Voldemorte and his followers. Wouldn't it be pretty ironic if he was the final horocrux? The ministry would have been keeping Voldemorte alive the whole time.....

Well, if the Ministry found out i don't think they would have killed Harry to defeat Voldemort.

Oh, no I know. I was just saying how ironic it would be.......but, with the way the ministry has acted about somethings, I wouldn't put it past them.

I hope Harry isn't the last, it'd be too cliche.

I finally finished it yesterday morning, read the first 4 chapters in the first week, then didn't touch it until the other night and just did an all nighter.

Forgive me if this already came up, but there is 24 pages in this thread and I Anyone else see the Snape being the half blood Prince amile off from the moment he treated Malfoy? He seemed to to know too much about that particular wound to treat it that quickly, he'd seen it before.



Yeah I thought that too, it was just too out of character for him to beg for his life like that, I think he knew he was going die and the 'please' bit wasn't about not illing him, but rather asking for Snape to do it rather than let the other Death Eaters make Malfoy do it and send him down that path.

And what is Harry talking about saying that he wont come back to school next year he'll rather go look for the Horu.... Heur.... the whatevers. He doesn't know were to start or how to undo them, especially when it cost Dumbledore an arm to do so. The best he can do is find out who R.A.B. is (who'll probably have been someone who's been mentioned before, just is completly overlooked) since at least he seems to know what to do with them.


Oh, and I did love it how the DA were there fighting at the end, it just seemed appropraite that it wasn't just left to the Order.

I'm convinced RAB is Regulus Black, Sirius' brother.
Don't know about the second initial, but the first and last fit. Regulus was a Death Eater who turned away from Voldemort and was then killed by Voldemort.

And, if you remember, there was a locket in book 5 that Harry and the lot found, in the Black House, that Kretcher stole away. They couldn't open it and were just gonna chuck it.


I didn't think Snape was the Half Blood Prince just because he healed Malfoys wounds. I didn't consider that anything special really, the woulds were just deep cuts and the spell Snake used is just a generic spell most wizrads know that heals cuts. What gave it away for me, is the manner in which Snape acted. He was so unbelievably calm about it, didn't really do anything to Harry because he knew it was his spell that did it, and he didn't want to get in trouble.

I think you've just cracked it Burnside. Anyone want to take bets




Thats what I mean. He just came in an healed him, like he'd seen it all before, there was no messing about asking what spell it was or anything that the Nurse would do. Nor was there the usual, screaming and shouting at Potter which usually acompanied Harry's attacks on Malfoy. And there was something about when he was looking for the book in Harry's bag, it was as if he was looking for something in particular, and more than just what he'd seen in Harry's mind when he read it.
Finally there was the issue that they were five chapters from the end and they had to tell us soon enough and there was only a narrow list of people who were good at potions, and with the exception they introduce a new character in the last 5 chapters who suddenly will say 'Ah, my old book', it had to be narrowed to existing characters and Snape was the only real one left.

Exactly. It was well done though, i was never really sure until the end becuase the timeline was wrong, the book was made before Snapes time, but of course that's because it was his mothers book before his.

Yeah, I never worked out the bit about the title Prince until they told us. But thats the thing about the Potter books, the answer is often right in front of us but we don't see it until the lines are all joined.

Which is what makes them so perfect.

Apparently, it was said in some book, most likely 5, that his brother Regulus's second name is indeed Arcturus or something like that.
If that's true, and i'm trying to confirm it, RAB will indeed be Regulus Arcturus Black.

Oh I think your right. For one major factor it puts the locket in Harry's reach, and also he may be able to find out how to destroy them in the house (and old record or something), rather than having to run all over the place for a link to a RAB who is new character

SO, let's just say that it was RAB, and the locket is in Kretchers keeping at his time.


So we have -

The Diary, destroyed.
The Ring of Slytherin, destroyed.

The Locket of Slytherin, either in the House of Black or at Hogwarts with Kretcher.

The Cup of Hufflepuff, speculated, location unknown.
The Snake Nangini, speculated, with Voldemort.

Voldemort himself.

And the last Horcrux, which is most likely Harry Potter.



hahahah, i'll have this whole book figured out before she even finishes writting it.

Congratulations

And, of course, i'm pretty damn sure the main thing that's so special about Harry, because the fact that he can 'love', is that he is the heir of Griffyndor.

The final battle, Griffyndor vs Slytherin, good versus bad. Only makes sense really.

Plus, James and Lily Potter, lived at Godrics Hollow. Godric Griffyndor.

No idea what James and Lily Potter did for a living yet though, or why Harrys eyes being Lilys are so important, or for that matter, why her being good at charms is important either.

You read these books waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to often to picj these things up?

I think I told him that way back on another page. I know I mentioned it..
And yea, totally, he reads these books way too much!

I most certainly do. hahahah.
They're good books, and i like being on topic of it all.

Must admit I've read the books only once each. Then again I only got them as Xmas, and have been busy so I have an excuss

I have two hours of straight travelling a day.
It's enough to read 4 chapters at least. Nothing better to do while sitting on a bus.

I used to read all the time on the train to Uni. Mainly DragonLance or Japan-Langauge course books. Don't anymore though. In fact I rarely read anything more than text books now, pitty since I used to read at least 12 books a year once.

I was the same way Burnside! lol
When I worked at my old job we had a trip to Red Deer from Calgary(where I live), and I read almost half of the Order before getting there. It was great. I too have read them way too much!
Plus, since hardly any of my friends even like HP, they don't understand whenever I quote it. It's quite funny.

Yeah, the only person i really get to speak to HP about, besides guy guys, is my mother. Yesh. I finally got the woman to read them all though, thank god, but she's not as interested as me and i can't really discuss it with her, especially since she hasn't finished HBP yet.

Mmmm.. with a bit of luck I'll get the book tomorrow. YAY!!
So, is it better than Order of the Phoenix?

MUCH MUCH MUCH.

Really? Groovy! Can't wait for tomorrow!!!

(Bad thing is, I won't have much time to read. Stupid college tests )

I got told that my views on what happened in book 6 are worthy of essay, but I haven't had time to type it all...

If anyone wants to talk it out with me, IM me for my messenger.

Other than that, the only thing that really pisses me off is the "shippers"- they're being bad right now, especially the Herons.

Impression of a Heron:

Well, Harry/Ginny happened, so Ron/Hermione will, and it'll be soooo romantic, especially when they get caught f***ing in Snape's classroom by Harry and the ghost of Dumbledore, who'll smile and be the priest+best man for the wedding those two'll have!

First of all, I have yet to find anyone who's not a Heron(Ron/hermione shipper) that hasn't commented on how Harry/Ginny didn't even seem like a real couple, let alone a good one. Even Chocolate(Harry/Ginny shippers) have commented that they seemed wrong as a couple, after almost 4 books of going on and on about how they would be the cutest possible couple. I got a lot of theories people gave me that make sense... (read what Fred and George were saying about Ginny in their shop, and what Hermione said commenting about her for some clues).

Second off, Harry/Ginny doesn't equal Ron/Hermione- not even by accident. If anything, those two worked against it without even knowing it. Hermione was having as little to do with Ron anyways because she finally got openly sick of how he treats her, and Ron's sitting there in front of her trying to put his sister on his leash ("just because I gave you my permission..."), like she was his property instead of his sibling. Read again her reaction- it's like she was telling herself off in her head for ever trying to be nice to someone like him. nicer than me, too- I would have took him outside the common room and pushed him down the tower stairs.

Oddly enough, she gave that reaction to 90% of what he did since 1/4 of the way through book 5...

Preach all you want about Ron being misguided, or a victim of Phallus Syndrome... the fact remains that, since book 3, Ron has turned any girl who will talk to him into a turnkey, a shield, a vent, an attack dummy, a submissive, a target, a victim... He has not done even one accidental act of respect toward the female race.

That's my take on the so-called "romance" in book six, and it's non-negotiable. Anything else you want to reflect on with me, just send an IM!

I was so angry with this book mainly because Rowling said that we'd find out whats so important about Harry having his mothers eyes and we weren't told. I'd been waiting AGES to find out.

So has this already been discussed? If so then I'm sorry, but 26 pages is a lot to go through, if it hasn't then has anyone got any idea what it could be?

She said it would be in books 6 or 7.
It definately wasn't in 6. We still have no clue.

james and lily were optometrists and made harry's glasses and their fortune that way. harry's glasses are a vessel for voldemorts soul.
i swear that's what's been discussed....


actually no one has theorized on why they have the same eyes yet in this thread.

hahahah. not a bad theory though!


I'm sure that it's important that Harry has his mothers eyes because of the protection she placed upon him, or it'll probably be something really stupid like 'she passed her abilility of loving onto you'.

I remember reading when they were first casting Daniel Radcliffe that the fact that Harry's eyes are GREEN like his mom's is important. Apparently Daniel's aren't and that was supposed to be an issue.

Eh, I dunno.

Contacts?

maybe he has his mothers eyes literally ...and like she'll be able to show him something with her eyes from beyond the grave at the critical moment or something like that....
who knows?

I wish it'd be explained why myself... some of it was implied in book six, but just implied.

"Liked her? My boy, I don't think there was anyone who met her who wouldn't have liked her... very brave... very funny... It was the most horrible thing..."

Regardless of what magical reason it has, Lilly Evans was the kind of person who seemed to bring out the best in most people, and create a rare redemption in others. Didn't Voldemort himself seem to hesitate in wanting to kill her? He told her to step aside, instead of killing her outright.

You know what I found, but people seem to fight it?

Hermione reminds me a lot of what Harry's seen of her in memories... Hermione even begun developing a good sense of humor since book 4, although, like Harry, she tries to hide it under a voice of reason. Because of this, much of her humor is lost on Harry and Ron (You're going to get yourselves killed- or worse yet, expelled! -SS) But when she does decide everyone needs some humor going, she can have some of the funniest moments in the chapter- even if they're just lines that are wasted on the likes of those two .

I was doing a reread, and I found something that caught my eye about Snape still being with the Order.

Not sure whether this has been noted or not, but here it goes.

Spinner's End - pg. 40-41

When mentioned to make an Unbreakable Vow
'The Unbreakable Vow?' Snape's expression went blank, unreadable...

If Snape did hate Dumbledore and be on the Dark Lord's side, I don't think he would be so shocked to make this Vow.

Also this..
"..if it seems Draco will fail...' whispered Narcissa (Snape's hand twitched within hers, but he did not draw away)

I also can't picture Snape being afraid of something like this, unless he wasn't with the Dark Lord..

Good good, just got the book today. Now, on to reading!

Well, I've just finished reading it, and I gotta say it was awesome. The ending... just left me stone-cold, never thought Snape would do that
Still, great book. Can't wait for the next one!

What did Snape do?

Did he kill Dumbledore on Voldemorts request, having been working for Voldemort the whole time falsely playing Dumbledores trust?

or..

Did Snape kill Dumbledore on Dumbledores own orders, ebing rightly trusted by Dumbledore all this time for reasons we still don't know and playing the Dark Lord false, saving both his own and Malfoys lives in doing so?

Is Snape still loyal to Dumbledore like it was always thought, or was Harry right the whole time and Snape never really stopped being a death eater?

Mmm... Snape good all along, even if he hates Harry. I've got the feeling that either him or Malfoy are gonna save Harry by the end of the final book

JBC spoiled it for me. he said Snape was evil all along, and was still a death eater. I always believe him, but if he's right, then J.K Rowling is just putting stuff in her books to fill up space. Oh wait, 50 posts wahoo!

You know? I honestly don't buy that whole "Harry is a Horcrux" theory. The reason is simple: as far as I remember, Dumbledore told Harry that all the Horcruxes had to be destroyed to make Voldemort (sorry, You-Know-Who ) mortal again. So, if Harry was indeed a Horcrux and destroyed himself, Voldemort would still be alive, for the last piece of the soul in inside Voldemort. And besides, why would You-Know-Who make a Horcrux out of a baby? Yeah, I know he used a snake (and because he estimated the snake), but I wouldn't make a person I wanna kill a Horcrux right?

And why would he keep trying to kill Harry?

And isn't Voldemort immortal? Does the horocrux die when Harry eventually dies? Wouldn't you want to make it out of something that will last forever?

Why would he keep trying to kill Harry?
Dumbledore explained it well in the chapter about horcruxes. He heard the part of the prophecy thanks to Snape and though Harry would be the one who would destroy him. That's why he goes to the Potter's house and tried to kill Harry (and also with the intention that after Harry's death he would create the seventh Horcrux). And that's why he's always trying to kill Harry: because of that prophecy.


Yeah, if Harry dies so does the Horcrux, but that wouldn't kill Voldemort, it would only weaken him, or make him mortal if we're talking about the last Horcrux.

i have been reading some of the posted messages and i agree with Snape still being in good.

the reason i think so, (and im not sure if this has been mentioned before), is that somewhere in the book Hagrid overheard an argument between Dumbledore and Snape. He heard Snape saying something like "maybe i dont want to do this anymore" and Dumbledore got angry at that.
Maybe he is talking about having to kill Dumbledore?

Plus when Snape killed Dumbledore he showed so much hatred, is that because he hates Dumbledore? or because Dumbledore is making him do this?

and as i read some ppl mention before, Dumbledore would not plead for his life.

i found the piece of hagrid talking about Snape and Dumbledore's argument its on page 380 Chapter is called Elf Tails:

"What's Snape done?, I dunno, Harry, I shouldn'ta heard it at all! I - well, I was comin' outta the Forest the other evening an I overheard 'em talkin - well arguin'. Didn't like ter draw attention to meself, so I sorta skulked an' tried not ter listen, but it was a - well, a heated discussion, an' it wasn' easy ter block it out.

Well? Harry urged him, as Hagrid shuffled his enormous feet uneasily. Well - I jus' heard Snape sayin' Dumbledore took to much for granted an' maybe he - Snape - didn' wan' ter do it any more'

Do what?

I dunno, harry, it sounded like Snape was feelin' a bit overworked, tha's all - anyway, Dumbledore told him flat out he'd agreed ter do it an' that was all there was to it. Pretty firm with him.



The question is what did he agree to? To kill Dumbledore?