Good stuff.
Form what i've seen i'm immensly suprised by how close to the book this is sticking, it seems hardly anything is cut out.
I wonder if they'll explain who the Marauders are, since that was left out of the last one.

Harry is how old in each book? That was my point. Current actors may no longer be believeable at age book has them. Keep in mind how many more books follow Goblet! It could be really tough to keep same actors I agree it woud be a problem but in order to keep Potter at same age in books they may have to find new actors and could explain 4 year contract after all they knew (film makers) that there are to be seven books!

We just discussed that. The can use special effects and a whole range of things to keep the actors looking younger than they are. As Ms Rose said, the actress who plays Myrtle is 40 and she's playing a 14 year old. It really doesn't matter at all how old they get, they can still quite easily play the roles and look the proper age.



Anyway, i just found this on mugglenet, interesting to pass along to any inspiring british lasses!

An actor's age does not have to match up with the characters, that's our point Panther. Like I said, the actress playing Myrtle (a young girl) is actually a 40 year old woman. Those kids won't be grey-beards by the time the movies are finished. It's okay if they are 20 playing 17 year-olds, it's really not that noticable.

I gurantee every movie you have seen that features high school students is filled with actors in their 20's and you don't even notice.

Well, Burns beat me to most of my points.

SO apparently, Imelda Staunton has been cast to play Umbridge.
I can see it, if they fatten her up ALOT, then she might be fit for the job.

As we see with Dudley, he's not as nearly as fat as he is in the books..I'm not sure how good of a job they'll do with Imelda Staunton if she does indeed play Umbridge.

Found a very interesting theory:

"Rowling always had a good sense of humour ;-). She described the Second Wizard War in the McGonagall's chess game. The chessmen (chessmen, figures...how strangely she describes them, like real people, not like pieces of stone) are black (Aurors) and white (Death Eaters). The white figures are scary, cus they are "faceless" (white terrible masks of Death Eaters)

"Harry, Ron and Hermione shivered slightly -- the towering white chessmen had no faces."

Then let's take a look at this:

"Well, Harry, you take the place of that bishop, and Hermione, you are next to him instead of that castle."
"What about you?"
"I'm going to be a knight," said Ron."

That's a very strange choice, isn't it? Ron is very good at chess, he must knew, that it's better to be a king, because kings can stay until the end of the game without being taken, and they are the ones, who command. It would be much more logical and safe to be a king. But Rowling likes symbolism, and everything in this chess game is symbolical. Ron IS a knight, because this redhead boy is pure in heart and brave as a real knight. He never was a king, or a commander."

Insert Maline: I agree with this. Ron is really the ideal Gryffindor, and in turn the ideal knight (see NT 20 for arguments on this). Even his hair is the Gryffindor colour (or almost) :-)

"Hermione is a castle, because castle walks straight, and Hermione is quite a "straight" person. Harry is a bishop because bishop is the figure that is very close to the King (Dumbledore). Harry is also not "straight" like Hermione, he prefers "to walk diagonally," because he's self-effacing and a little secretive (like confessors (bishop))."

Insert Maline: I'd rather compare the "walking diagonally" to Harry's disrespect for rules and willingness to cross some lines for a good cause, but sure…

"Then the game (WAR) begins...

"Their first real shock came when their other knight was taken. The white queen smashed him to the floor and dragged him off the board, where he lay quite still, facedown."

Bellatrix Lestrange murdered Sirius Black."

Insert Maline: this is an excellent point. Especially when you take a look at how much alike Ron and Sirius are. Both brave, both a bit reckless, Ron is Harry's best friend, Sirius is James' best friend, both tend to act without really thinking things over (contrast: Hermione and Lupin) and so on. From what we know of Sirius, he's definitely a knight, too (e.g. Hagrid: "he died in battle, an' tha's the way he'd've wanted ter go" OotP, p. 753), he fits the parallel perfectly. So does Bellatrix Lestrange as "the White Queen". In her trial (GoF), she is said to be sitting in her chair as if it were a throne, and there's definitely something regal in the way she is portrayed. Furthermore, she's the only prominent female Death Eater, and one who's totally loyal to Voldemort at that. If Voldemort is the white king (just think of his complexion), then surely Bellatrix is his queen. (Her husband is barely mentioned.)

"Every time one of their men was lost, the white pieces showed no mercy. Soon there was a huddle of limp black players slumped along the wall. Ron himself darted around the board, taking almost as many white pieces as they had lost black ones."

"The war plot of the sixth book. Aurors and Death Eaters are dying, many of them. Mrs Weasley wasn't being silly. Book 6 spoiler."

"Yes..." said Ron softly, "It's the only way... I've got to be taken."
"No!" Harry and Hermione shouted.
"That's chess!" snapped Ron. "You've got to make some sacrifices! I take one step forward and she'll take me -- that leaves you free to checkmate the king, Harry!"
"But --"
"Do you want to stop Snape or not?"
"Ron --"
"Look, if you don't hurry up, he'll already have the Stone!"
There was no alternative."

Ron sacrifices himself to let Harry kill Voldemort. There is NO alternative, he has to die anyway. The book 7 spoiler.

"He stepped forward, and the white queen pounced. She struck Ron hard across the head with her stone arm, and he crashed to the floor - Hermione screamed but stayed on her square - the white queen dragged Ron to one side. He looked as if he'd been knocked out."

Bellatrix Lestrange murders Ron Weasley.

"The white king took off his crown and threw it at Harry's feet. They had won. The chessmen parted and bowed, leaving the door ahead clear."

Harry kills Voldemort and survives. The Second Wizard War ends.

Here.

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At first I thought it was very farfetched, but after reading it again and fully understanding what it was referring to I thought it made alot of sense.

Good theory, but I actually don't think Ron is going to die.
I am thinking a Sherlock Holms vs Moriarty end battle between Harry and Voldemort.
Don't ask me why, I just think that's going to be it.

Ever since I read the first book I thought about that theory about Ron. Not into as much detail as this, but I still believe he will die. He will easily sacrifice himself.

That is excellent, and makes alot of sense. What doesn't, however, is harry surviving. There's no way that Harry can survive, because if he does then there's no reason there wont be more books, and book 7 is definately 100% the last, Rowling says there's no way there will be more books. No more Harry Potter books, no more Harry. I don't believe Ron will die. perhaps it's contrasted, Ron will actually kill Belatrix in the 7th book?

Just 2 cents - Harry doesn't have to die for the series to end. I recall a great many literary works where the hero survives. I think that there are alot of great theories, Ron dying would be quite sad. I guess the optomist in me is saying that there's going to be a happy ending for Harry.

I believe it has to end with Harry dying. Otherwise there's no reason to end the series there, and if she did with Harry still alive, she'll be forever plagued with thousands of letters a day saying 'WRITE ANOTHER!!'
If Harry survives, then there's no reason why this would the 100% the last 'Harry Potter' book.

Mmmm... I have come across another possible Horcrux theory...

the potion that the locket was in .. that Dumbledoor drank...

What if Regulus Black's death is what helped create the potion.. as a Horcrux, right there in that cave (remember no one knows how or where he died)

I theorize that the locket is either a fake Horcrux or could also actually still be one of the Horcrux ... after all who would expect two Horcrux's to be in the same place?

And since Dumbledoor drank it... maybe it was part of a plan for Snape to kill him to destroy that Horcrux... as a sacrifice..

so to sum up...Dumbledore drank the Horcrux (the potion) and then demanded Snape kill him. This explains their heated arguments earlier in THBP. He knew exactly what he was doing... he knew he was looking for the potion as the Horcrux.

What do you guys think?

That's pretty inventive Nxt! I never thought of the possibility of the potion itself being a Horcrux. I did infact wonder how R.A.B. managed to get the locket out of the Basin without drinking the potion, where Dumbedore himself could not.

Very interesting!





On another note, i was actually thinking of the 7th book today and giggled aloud in the bookstore, people turned and stared, it was pretty funny.

LOL.. I know what you mean... I am obsessing bad...

I am getting ready to start the fifth book...AGAIN!!...

And I can't wait until Friday!!...

I lay in bed trying to figure out the Horcrux I am driving myself crazy... and you are so knowledgeable with the story yourself Burnside... help me .. if you get a chance... to further think about the potion as a Horcrux theory...

But I confuse myself on one thing... was the locket just a fake.. or a decoy Horcrux... or possibly one itself?...


Boy.. I need to stop...

I believe the locket Dumbledore took from the Basin in the cave was a fake. It did not have the Serpentine 'S' on it, and the note inside leads me to believe that R.A.B. removed the horcrux himself and replaced it with a fake.

I believe that the actual locket has been seen within Harry Potter and the order of the Pheonix, so since you're re-reading the book, keep an eye out for it. Who was the last person to live in the Most Ancient and Noble House of Black, besides Bellatrix? Regulus Black, or R.A.B. Now, there's a part early in the book, where Harry and the others find themselves cleaning the house of useless trinkets. In a particuarly dusty drawer, Harry discovers a locket. The locket is un-openable, sealed tightly shut. It gets tossed with the rest of the useless trinkets.. although Kretcher the House Elf had a nasty habbit of hoarding the trinkets..

Thanks... that's great!!!

And makes me even more believe in the possibility that the potion is a Horcrux....

Cause if you remember... when Harry asked Dumbledoor in the cave .. if he thought the Horcrux was there... Dumbledoor matter of factly said "Yes"... and I don't believe that Dumbledoor was wrong about that.

If that certain locket was a fake... and there is another locket (to also be a Horcrux) ... then the potion most certainly had to also be a Horcrux....

And the fact that Snape killed Dumbledoor just after he drank the potion... making Dumbledoor sacrificing himself... yes... I am more convinced now!

Well, we're not sure at this point how a Horcrux is destroyed, since we've never actually witnessed 'read' a Horcrux being destroyed. Except of course, for the diary. With the Ring, when Dumbledore destroyed it all that happened was it cracked. So how would you destroy a liquid when it's inside someone? The Adava Kedrava (sp) does not harm the body at all, remember it does not leave a single mark, it just kills. If the potion indeed was a Horcrux, would a killing curse even destroy it? The liquid may still be a horcrux within the body fo Dumbledore. Just like if the locket was a Horcrux and Harry swallowed it, killing Harry would not destroy the Horcrux.

To be completely honest, i don't believe a liquid could be a horcrux. If you think about it, if a Horcrux could be a liquid body, than that body could then be seperated several times, like put into different containers, and then hidden throughout the world, and then you'd have even more horcruxes to destroy.
We know what most of the Horcruxes are:

Diary (Destroyed)
Ring (Destroyed)
Locket (House of Black?)
Hufflepuff Cup (Hidden)
Voldemort Himself (Last to be destroyed)
Nagini (Possibilty, not necessarily)

That only leaves one, perhaps at the most two. It could be something of ravenclaw, or something of Gryffindor. It could be something we've seen in the stroy before, or it may be something we haven't seen yet. It's most likely not Harry, but i think it would be the most important item of all of them. While it's excellent thinking that the potion could be one, and definately would explain a few things, i don't believe it i'm afraid.

I believe Dumbledore when into that cave expecting to find the locket. How was he to know that it had already been removed? Plus, he did pocket the Locket after drinking the potion, believing i'm sure that it was the Horcrux. The potion was a deadly defense against someone taking the locket. Plus remember, ALL the horcruxes are something special to Voldemort. He hoarded rare items that had meaning to him. A simple killing potion, i don't believe, would have had much meaning to Voldemort, definately not like an item of one of the founders of Hogwarts or relics of his noble Slytherin blood.
With this, we're only left with one question, and that is how did RAB get past the poition and take the locket without actually drinking it? Odd indeed.

Okay... if we go this route... how about Kreacher ...

what if Kreacher helped RAB get the real locket... and he (Kreacher) drank the potion for RAB?

I mean ... that would fit the size and weight for the boat.. a grown wizard and a house elf....

Just a thought...

... or....

Maybe Regulus did drink the potion, he could have died from that, I don't think one dies from drinking the potion immediately.. maybe that is how RAB dies, since we do not know how...

Just another thought...

It is mentioned that Voldemort hunted down and killed Regulus after he tried to leave the Death Eaters and flee.
It was thought that Regulus was cowardly and tried to hide in the same way Karkaroff did, but of course if Regulus is RAB we know that he infact discovered Voldemorts history and horcruxes and set out to destroy rather than hide.

I wonder how Harry will find this out? Sirius was the only person who really knew Regulus' fate..

the liquid is not a killing potion.

its a weakining potion so the ifri (i read it a month ago do i might not know names) could kill them and replace the horcrux. i think the diary the ring the cup the loket definitly nagini (ill explain) and i think the last is the sorrting hat. because it would never be suspected and voldemort probbally knew that.


i think naginis a horcrux because how else would harry have seen rons dad get attacked?

Why would Nangini being a Horcrux allow Harry to see through Nangini's eyes though?
Harry saw in his dream exactly what Voldemort saw. Always. Nangini the snake is under the imperilus curse, so Voldemort is seeing what Nangini is seeing and as such in harry's dreams he also sees what Nangini is seeing, through Voldemort.

What about Nagini being the snake Harry rescued from the zoo in the first book? that's a plot device I haven't seen mentioned yet.

Interesting. Don't know where you could go with it though. If Nangini recognised Harry it would have been mentioned in book 4.

I don't think that Nagini was under the imperius curse. She doesn't nessecarily need to be under a curse to bite Mr. Weasly. She might have just been doing what Voldemort asked her to do. Like sometimes if you were to say to your dog "Attack that person!", if they are a pet that you've known for a while, they might do so.

That's the only way, however, that Harry would have been able to see through the eyes of the snake.

But wait, i am getting abit of a brainwave coming on. Since Harry has that connection with Voldemort and can sense the feelings of the Dark Lord and even see sometimes through his eyes, perhaps Harry can do that with all pieces of Voldemorts soul. The snake infact, if it is a Horcrux, would technically just be Voldemorts soul in snake form and that should allow Harry to see through it's eyes. I'm pretty sure that's what lead Dumbledore to the concusion that Nangini is a Horcrux.
Now, could Harry perhaps sense other pieces of Voldemorts soul in the same sort of way? Could be feel the locations of other Horcruxes in the last book? Hrmm.

thats what i was talking about.


Took you a while to figure it out though, aye?

You mentioned before the idea that Harry could sense the Horcruxes?
I missed that, sorry.

Sorry, I bet this is a stupid question but how did Viktor turn into the shark thing? I saw the movie and was all like "wtf?". What did he take?

He didn't take anything. It's transfiguration.

Remember, one of their main classes is Transfiguration with Professor McGonigal. They learn to change things like rats into goblets, for example. In the later years of school they learn human transfiguration too. It's one of the reasons why the tournament entrees must be over 17, because anyone younger wouldn't know enough spells like that.

Vicktor Krums transfiguration went wrong though, he only managed to change his face.

Ah, I havent read that far in the books. Funny, having a shark for a head should only weigh you down.

Yes i know, haha. You're not going to be able to swim very well with just a shark head.
But that was made note of in the book. He lost points because his Transfiguration was crappy and he couldn't swim very well because of it, he just had the ability to use the gills to breathe at least.

Well like I said, I havent read the book.

Whats up with the snake in the beggining?

That's Nangini, Voldemorts massive Snake. Since he is a Parsel tongue he can talk to and control snakes. Pretty much all you'll understand about it without typing out the whole plot of the 6th book.

So then can Najini Do magic?

good question. We haven't had anything to say that she can, but since she could be a horcrux, she might have some sort of magic in her.

She is magical in the same sense that Fawkes the Pheonix is magical. But no animals can actually do magic, they just have certain attributes about them.

I'm rereading the book, and I was just wondering if it is positive that there are 7 horcruxes. I just finished reading about when Dumbledore is telling him about the horcruxes. After Voldemort so casually asked Slughorn about having 7 horcruxes, Dumbledore just sort of assumed that there would be 7. A magical number.

Oh yeah, all we have is an assumption. But Dumbledores assumptions are generally correct, and Voldemort was obsessed with 7, since it's a powerfully magical number. But, we also assume that Voldemort on the night he decided to kill Harry Potter as a baby was planning on creating a Horcrux at that time, using the Boy who was prophecised to bring down the Dark Lord. If we assume this, then that means that he definately did not have 6 Horcruxes (7 including himself) by the time he dissapeared. He could have had 5, or even only 4. But, he could have made Nagini a Horcrux after he returned to power. There's alot of things.

But mostly, in regards to what we know about book 7, it's all based on what we think we know about the story, there's very little actual fact.

When is the 7th book set to come out? or does anybody know?

There's no date.
Probably around the same time as the next movie. We're looking at at least a year, tops two.

ugh. I don't want to wait that long. that's me being impatient though. I should probably go read again, but I don't especially feel inclined to.

No one wants to wait that long. I've read the 6th book three times now and i'm bored with it. I need conclusion!

Well, Harry rescued a non-poisonous constrictor and if I remember correctly, isn't a Nagini a cobra? Or at least poisonous? I think I remember threats of her biting someone.

Oh yeah. Well, Nagini bit and poisoned Mr Weasley remember.

Maybe they just thought that the snake was not poisonous. Maybe the horcrux just wanted to pretend that it's not, so that there isn't a chance of it getting hurt.

Nagini was not a Horcrux until after Voldemort returned, if it even is. So that doesn't make sense.

Well I like the idea, so I'm trying to make it work.

It can't. There's no reason it would be the same snake. Nagini is MASSIVE, the snake in the zoo wasn't that big.