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Pilgrim Shadow
Forgive me if there have already been threads on this subject. I'm still rather new around here.

I have read a lot about the phenomena of Satanic Ritual Abuse. This topic was very trendy in the '80s, but has largely been discredited. SRA still has its believers. What do you think?
I think it is mostly hogwash. I don't want to write a whole treatise on the matter just now. I'd love to discuss it if others are interested.

For anyone unfamiliar with SRA, here is an overview:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sra.htm
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aquatus1
I will agree with you that it is hogwash. My personal area of study in the eighties was the pedophile scare, and a great deal of it had connections to Satanic Ritual Abuse. I simply wasn't able to find any sources that could be definitively said to point to anything other than a handful of isolated incidents, certainly nothing that indicated some sort of massive underground cult.
scoobysnack
QUOTE(Pilgrim Shadow @ Jul 15 2005, 10:51 AM)
Forgive me if there have already been threads on this subject.  I'm still rather new around here.

I have read a lot about the phenomena of Satanic Ritual Abuse.  This topic was very trendy in the '80s, but has largely been discredited.  SRA still has its believers.  What do you think?
I think it is mostly hogwash.  I don't want to write a whole treatise on the matter just now.  I'd love to discuss it if others are interested.

For anyone unfamiliar with SRA, here is an overview:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sra.htm
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This is a very broad topic, that I think is real at many levels.

Here's just one example I wanted to share. Very interesting.

http://www.savethemales.ca/141002.html


"Assassin Training

Svali: "Here is how it is done (how it was done to me): [1] When the child is 2 years old, place them in a metal cage with electrodes attached. Shock the child severely.
[2] Take the child out, and place a kitten in its hands. Tell the child to wring the kitten's neck. The child will cry and refuse.
[3] Put the child into the cage, and shock them until they are dazed and cannot scream any more.
[4] Take the child out, and tell them again to wring the kitten's neck. This time the child will shake all over, cry, but do it, afraid of the torture. The child will then go into the corner and vomit afterwards, while the adult praises them for "doing such a good job".

This is the first step. The animals get bigger over time, as the child gets older. They will be forced to kill an infant at some point, either a set up or VR, or in reality. They will be taught by age 9 to put together a gun, to aim, and fire on target and on command. They will then practice on realistic manikins. They will then practice on animals. They will then practice on "expendables" or in VR. They will be highly praised if they do well, and tortured if they don't comply.

The older the child or teen, the more advanced the training. By age 15, most children will also be forced to do hand to hand combat in front of spectators (high people who come to watch the "games" much as the ancient gladiators performed). These matches are rarely done to the death, usually until one child goes down. They use every type of weapon imaginable, and learn to fight for their lives. If a child loses a fight, they are heavily punished by their trainer, who loses "face". If they win, they are again praised for being "strong' and adept with weapons. By the time they are 21, they are well trained combat/killing machines with command codes to kill and they have been tested over and over to prove that they WILL obey on command. This is how children in the German Illuminati are brought up, I went through it myself." "
Rhomphaia
I have read that story and it plays on all of our inborn fears; sex, forced labor, rigid and unyielding control, violence perprated by or against children and the deaths of cute fuzzy animals.
While horrifying, I do not think this is true.
scoobysnack
QUOTE(Rhomphaia @ Jul 17 2005, 05:48 AM)
I have read that story and it plays on all of our inborn fears; sex, forced labor, rigid and unyielding control, violence perprated by or against children and the deaths of cute fuzzy animals.
While horrifying, I do not think this is true.
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Yeah, it's hard to believe that story is true. I haven't done to much looking into it beyond that.

Listen to this detailing SRA is this:

http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/

look for Ted Gunderson (ret.) FBI Special Agent on Satanism about 1/3 down the page on the left hand side. More to come...
Rhomphaia
I'll pass on the right-wing religious propaganda, thanks.
Nlt_Overman
There is no such thing as “Satanic” Ritual Abuse. And if such an event were ever to occur, it wouldn’t be “Satanic” in any sense, it would simply be committed by a very un-Satanic lunatic. This absurd myth of “Satanic” Ritual Abuse has been thoroughly explored by various Government Agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the myth was found to be an absolute lie. See the following sources (The FBI’s National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime: Investigator’s Guide to Allegations of Ritual Child Abuse, January 1992; the Committee for Scientific Examination of Religion’s Report Satanism in America, October 1989; The British Government’s Department of Health report: The Extent and Nature of Organised and Ritual Abuse, HMSO, 1994). Furthermore, such Satanic abuse goes against every Satanic and philosophical principle. These people who sell these absurd lies are hysterics, fundamentalist Christians, misinformed lying cretins, con-artists, Christian/Therapy brainwashed weak-minded individuals, people who simply want to make money, and ranting and raving lunatics who have “confessed they’ve done such atrocities and that they were “Satanists,” yet none of these “ex-High Priests” and former “Advocates of Satan turned good Christian”, have ever been charged with crimes, and won’t admit their stories before a jury, just collect money telling them. If you want to know what real Satanic individuals do, read the philosophy of Anton LaVey, and ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTE!
scoobysnack
QUOTE(Nlt_Overman @ Jul 19 2005, 03:57 AM)
There is no such thing as “Satanic” Ritual Abuse. And if such an event were ever to occur, it wouldn’t be “Satanic” in any sense, it would simply be committed by a very un-Satanic lunatic. This absurd myth of “Satanic” Ritual Abuse has been thoroughly explored by various Government Agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the myth was found to be an absolute lie. See the following sources (The FBI’s National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime: Investigator’s Guide to Allegations of Ritual Child Abuse, January 1992; the Committee for Scientific Examination of Religion’s Report Satanism in America, October 1989; The British Government’s Department of Health report: The Extent and Nature of Organised and Ritual Abuse, HMSO, 1994). Furthermore, such Satanic abuse goes against every Satanic and philosophical principle. These people who sell these absurd lies are hysterics, fundamentalist Christians, misinformed lying cretins, con-artists, Christian/Therapy brainwashed weak-minded individuals, people who simply want to make money, and ranting and raving lunatics who have “confessed they’ve done such atrocities and that they were “Satanists,” yet none of these “ex-High Priests” and former “Advocates of Satan turned good Christian”, have ever been charged with crimes, and won’t admit their stories before a jury, just collect money telling them. If you want to know what real Satanic individuals do, read the philosophy of Anton LaVey, and ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTE!
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